Utopia Talk / Politics / More FBI crimes

Habebe Member	Fri Sep 23 13:30:09 http://www...aid-forfeiture-judge?_amp=true They intentionally misled a judge so They could confiscate safety deposit box items. They claim they were potentially used or proceeds from crimes. However they don't know what crime(s) nor did they even know exactly who owned the contents. What good purpose does the FBI serve?
Habebe Member	Fri Sep 23 13:30:50 The privacy invasion was vast when FBI agents drilled and pried their way into 1,400 safe-deposit boxes at the U.S. Private Vaults store in Beverly Hills. They rummaged through personal belongings of a jazz saxophone player, an interior designer, a retired doctor, a flooring contractor, two Century City lawyers and hundreds of others. Agents took photos and videos of pay stubs, password lists, credit cards, a prenuptial agreement, immigration and vaccination records, bank statements, heirlooms and a will, court records show. In one box, agents found cremated human remains
Habebe Member	Fri Sep 23 13:31:44 Eighteen months later, newly unsealed court documents show that the FBI and U.S. attorney’s office in Los Angeles got their warrant for that raid by misleading the judge who approved it. They omitted from their warrant request a central part of the FBI’s plan: Permanent confiscation of everything inside every box containing at least $5,000 in cash or goods, a senior FBI agent recently testified. The FBI’s justification for the dragnet forfeiture was its presumption that hundreds of unknown box holders were all storing assets somehow tied to unknown crimes, court records show.
Habebe Member	Fri Sep 23 13:32:21 It took five days for scores of agents to fill their evidence bags with the bounty: More than $86 million in cash and a bonanza of gold, silver, rare coins, gem-studded jewelry and enough Rolex and Cartier watches to stock a boutique. The U.S. attorney’s office has tried to block public disclosure of court papers that laid bare the government’s deception, but a judge rejected its request to keep them under seal. The failure to disclose the confiscation plan in the warrant request came to light in FBI documents and depositions of agents in a class-action lawsuit by box holders who say the raid violated their rights.
Habebe Member	Fri Sep 23 13:35:42 The court filings also show that federal agents defied restrictions that U.S. Magistrate Judge Steve Kim set in the warrant by searching through box holders’ belongings for evidence of crimes. “The government did not know what was in those boxes, who owned them, or what, if anything, those people had done,” Robert Frommer, a lawyer who represents nearly 400 box holders in the class-action case, wrote in court papers. ----- This is why no matter what, you NEVER permit anything the cops/feds ask other than what you must legally.allowed by a judge's decree. Otherwise they don't have to abide by the rules, you gave them permission to act all Willy nilly.
Habebe Member	Fri Sep 23 13:39:11 That’s why the warrant application did not even attempt to argue there was probable cause to seize and forfeit box renters’ property.” After a two-year investigation that opened in 2019, leaders of the FBI’s Los Angeles office believed U.S. Private Vaults was a magnet for criminals hiding illicit proceeds in their boxes. The business was charged with conspiracy to sell drugs and launder money. ----- I'm breaking it down in seperate posts as its easier to read.IMO And I've had issues with too many small pastes in one post getting all jumbled up.I think EarthPig mentioned something similar the other day. Even when I've taken the time to separate them on a 3rd party notepad.
kargen Member	Fri Sep 23 13:52:05 That is almost as bad as when Homeland Security claimed they could monitor phone calls of people that ordered from the same pizza place that suspected terrorists had ordered pizza.
Habebe Member	Fri Sep 23 14:12:21 They did get the vault holders on money laundering. But the case for the confiscation rests upon seeing "known" drug dealers or associates frequent the place and they did have illegal items stored there. But like Kargen pointed out, the vast majority are non criminals using a publicly available store similar to a pizza place. This would be like raiding andtaking everyone shit from a self storage place because criminals also used a unit.
kargen Member	Fri Sep 23 18:20:18 and the sad part is they face no repercussions for this serious offense. In fact they face more repercussions if they whistle blow these types of raids.
Jesse Malcolm Barack Member	Sat Sep 24 01:32:17 Dude we all know you're only posting this just because trumps being investigated for endless criminal activity
murder Member	Sat Sep 24 01:51:15 "That is almost as bad as when Homeland Security claimed they could monitor phone calls of people that ordered from the same pizza place that suspected terrorists had ordered pizza." I am not aware of the case, but if multiple terrorists order from the same place, it is not unreasonable to assume that that place is some portion of a terrorist network. I mean if multiple degenerate gamblers kept calling the same flower shop, it would be reasonable to suspect that there is a bookmaking operation being run out of a backroom in that shop.
Habebe Member	Sat Sep 24 02:00:09 Jesse, Again, I've been disgusted by the FBI long before Trump's raid.It's well documented. The FBI has been up to shady shit from day one. You forget I grew up in the ruby Ridge/Waco days. Murder, Its one thing to suspect it and even investigate it. Its another to in the case above at least steal all their shit with a fraudulent warrant and claim.no backsies because you used the same company as drug dealers.
kargen Member	Sat Sep 24 03:21:40 It wasn't an isolated incident/attempt. Homeland Security could if known terrorists called an individual monitor calls others made to that individual. They tried to extend it to places of business. Basically if one suspected terrorist called a place they felt they should be able to wire tap all others that called. The one that made the news was a Dominoes Pizza. After that they had to get a court order and be less broad in casting their net. Early in its creation Homeland Security was way overboard in what they thought they should be allowed to do.
murder Member	Sat Sep 24 11:24:20 I've got news for you ... they are still doing it. They just aren't bothering with court orders. The government will actively surveil anyone and everyone think think may be a threat to national security ... and everyone else gets passively surveilled.
murder Member	Sat Sep 24 11:25:03 warrants*
kargen Member	Sat Sep 24 21:51:24 I agree we get our lives looked into much more than we realize. At least now every once in a while one or two of em get in trouble for over reaching. Not that the punishment is anything consequential.
Forwyn Member	Sun Sep 25 14:13:22 Every agent involved should be hung from a lamppost
kargen Member	Sun Sep 25 18:25:59 no need to stink up the neighborhood.
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