Utopia Talk / Politics / EU interferes in Italy election

Paramount Member	Sat Sep 24 10:24:36 Ursula fond of Lying, EU commission president, interfers in the democratic election in Italy. What a bitch. She and the EU has to respect the integrity of Italy and its democratic election. Ursula must resign. Italian politicians asked European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen not to intervene in domestic politics after she warned that Europe has “the tools” to deal with Italy if things go in a “difficult direction.” During a conference on Thursday at Princeton University, an attendant pointed out to von der Leyen that “figures close to Putin” were among candidates for the upcoming legislative election on Sunday. “We’ll see,” she replied. “If things go in a difficult direction — and I’ve spoken about Hungary and Poland — we have the tools.” Von der Leyen’s remark came just a day before Italy’s campaign goes quiet for the weekend, and has provoked the ire of multiple candidates during their final stretch. “What is this, a threat? This is shameful arrogance,” tweeted Matteo Salvini, the leader of Italy’s far-right League party. He asked von der Leyen to “respect the free, democratic and sovereign vote of the Italian people.” He also said on Italian TV that “if anyone in Brussels thinks of cutting the funds that belong to Italy, because the League wins the elections, then we have to rethink this Europe,” adding that “this is institutional bullying.” http://www...-warning-ursula-von-der-leyen/
Habebe Member	Sat Sep 24 10:39:42 Sounds more and more like a federal government....
Habebe Member	Sat Sep 24 10:42:10 What's the deal with Germany instituuting martial law to keep protests in Check? Is that hyperbole or legit?
Paramount Member	Sat Sep 24 10:45:48 The EU and some "liberal" countries are becoming more and more authoritarian and repressive.
Habebe Member	Sat Sep 24 10:53:55 The German thing seems to be BS. We will see how they deal with.future protests though.
murder Member	Sat Sep 24 10:59:27 There are requirements for membership just like any club.
Paramount Member	Sat Sep 24 11:12:41 There are also requirements that foreign political leaders should not intervene in or influence the election in other sovereign countries.
Habebe Member	Sat Sep 24 11:17:03 Like sovereignty.
Habebe Member	Sat Sep 24 11:17:36 That was meant for Murders comment.
Paramount Member	Sat Sep 24 11:25:41 Yes there are membership requirements. But it sounds like Italy’s League Party may be willing to leave the EU rather than to abide by every EU requirement and to avoid being bullied by the EU.
murder Member	Sat Sep 24 11:27:27 "But it sounds like Italy’s League Party may be willing to leave the EU rather than to abide by every EU requirement and to avoid being bullied by the EU." That's fine ... and Italian citizens should be aware of what they are voting for and the consequences that accompany it.
Paramount Member	Sat Sep 24 11:28:08 Yup.
Rugian Member	Sat Sep 24 11:31:40 The EU should come out already and admit that its primary job is to keep the globalist liberal elites in power throughout Europe. I would respect the honesty if they did that at least. Boy Seb, you must be feeling pretty good about Brexit right now right? After all, as someone who cares about his country, you must love how you don't have to answer to a bunch of Brussels bureaucrats every time the British people elect the "wrong" government.
Rugian Member	Sat Sep 24 11:38:39 "murder Member Sat Sep 24 11:27:27 "But it sounds like Italy’s League Party may be willing to leave the EU rather than to abide by every EU requirement and to avoid being bullied by the EU." That's fine ... and Italian citizens should be aware of what they are voting for and the consequences that accompany it. Paramount Member Sat Sep 24 11:28:08 Yup." More of that respect for democracy that you two are famously known for. Sure, you can vote for more than one party...but if you vote for the "wrong" one, there will be consequences. That's how democracy works, right?
Habebe Member	Sat Sep 24 11:39:55 Rugian, A sane person, yes. Seb loves Brussels style authority like skinny black dudes like fat white women. He is mad they elected the wrong government in the UK now. Makes me think Mabry they have a shot. Even though her economics seem suspect.
Habebe Member	Sat Sep 24 11:41:28 Rugian, Eerily reminiscent of Hong Kong.
Paramount Member	Sat Sep 24 11:49:12 "Sure, you can vote for more than one party...but if you vote for the "wrong" one, there will be consequences. That's how democracy works, right?" That's how democracy works. A third world country who votes "wrong" may be invaded, or may see violent unrest and a coup instigated by the West. Other countries who votes "wrong" is threatened and bullied by other means.
Habebe Member	Sat Sep 24 13:02:03 http://twi...?t=PhneZ2GR41vuHVQKi1IpoQ&s=19 Seen it make the conversations today.
Habebe Member	Sat Sep 24 13:03:36 http://twi...?t=5d4l9R9dZP75cAJDVNoobQ&s=19 The video of her is pretty damming.
murder Member	Sat Sep 24 13:20:35 "Sure, you can vote for more than one party...but if you vote for the "wrong" one, there will be consequences. That's how democracy works, right?" Yes. You don't get to be a nazi and enjoy the benefits of EU membership. You don't get to enjoy the benefits of EU membership while you try to sabotage it from the inside.
murder Member	Sat Sep 24 13:24:17 It never ceases to amaze me when intolerant people whine about others being intolerant towards them.
Habebe Member	Sat Sep 24 13:50:53 "Yes. You don't get to be a nazi and enjoy the benefits of EU membership. " Isn't the lady in charge of that unelected? So the unelected people are in charge of which elected people are "wrong"? Make that make sense in a free society.
Habebe Member	Sat Sep 24 13:53:24 Leftwing brain- We must save democracy from Nazis! To do this we will have Unelected officials tell people who they can not vote for. For democracy....
murder Member	Sat Sep 24 13:56:59 "Isn't the lady in charge of that unelected?" No.
murder Member	Sat Sep 24 13:59:28 Instead of asking you could have looked that up.
murder Member	Sat Sep 24 14:00:13 Of course you don't really want to know.
Rugian Member	Sat Sep 24 14:17:46 I'm willing to bet you that murder doesn't know a single thing about the Italian right, or what "hateful" policies they have that make them so detested to communists like himself.
murder Member	Sat Sep 24 14:43:34 "I'm willing to bet you that murder doesn't know a single thing about the Italian right ..." They are anti-immigrant. What do I win? :o)
Paramount Member	Sat Sep 24 14:48:45 ”Habebe Member Sat Sep 24 13:03:36 http://twi...?t=5d4l9R9dZP75cAJDVNoobQ&s=19 The video of her is pretty damming.” I can’t stand that socialite woman. She is so smug. Just look at her smile at the very end of the video.
williamthebastard Member	Sat Sep 24 15:11:45 she can interfere with my erection whenever she wants
Rugian Member	Sat Sep 24 16:25:36 "murder Member Sat Sep 24 14:43:34 "I'm willing to bet you that murder doesn't know a single thing about the Italian right ..." They are anti-immigrant. What do I win? :o)" And being anti-immigrant iw what makes them worthy of sanctions? Insane.
murder Member	Sat Sep 24 17:54:32 Don't try to weasel out of it, what did I win?
Habebe Member	Sat Sep 24 18:00:11 So who decides these sanctions? Clearly this woman has already been discussing it. Paramount, She seems like a German cruelly deville.Or like the evil nurse in a horror movie.
Habebe Member	Sun Sep 25 18:10:35 Meloni seems to be winning!
Habebe Member	Sun Sep 25 18:16:04 Honestly, push from Brussels probably helped her more than hurt her campaign. She seems to be able to pack in crowds though.
Rugian Member	Sun Sep 25 18:45:32 murder Member Sat Sep 24 17:54:32 "Don't try to weasel out of it, what did I win?" A first-class ticket on the next boat back to Cuba. Have fun enjoying all the finest things that Cuba has to offer, from underfunded healthcare to protest-free streets and exploding cigars.
Rugian Member	Sun Sep 25 18:47:03 Anyway, Meloni looks to have won! Whoo! Mainstream media is covering the story with their usual poise and objectivity, of course. "Giorgia Meloni set to be Italy's most far-right prime minister since Mussolini -- exit poll CNN 25 minutes ago"
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Sep 25 18:52:54 williamthebastard Member Sat Sep 24 15:11:45 she can interfere with my erection whenever she wants When the most Heideggerian person since Heidegger starts slinging Bevis and Butthead jokes, you know he is more stoned than an Afghan women caught cheating.
murder Member	Sun Sep 25 19:20:45 "A first-class ticket on the next boat back to Cuba." That sounds like a booby prize.
swordtail Anarchist Prime	Sun Sep 25 19:22:44 only if the boat lands in the bay of pigs
Habebe Member	Sun Sep 25 19:26:27 Who doesn't boobies? Or prizes? Rugian, I seen the "far right" title.lol
murder Member	Sun Sep 25 19:31:26 "only if the boat lands in the bay of pigs" At this point I doubt anyone would notice.
swordtail Anarchist Prime	Sun Sep 25 19:53:02 meloni's support for nato's nazis will be her saving grace and all will be well in europe once again.
Pillz Member	Sun Sep 25 21:01:44 I half expect her to just drop her support for Ukraine outright actually. I expect right leaning euro governments to begin voicing the need to stop aid and shore up their own defenses
Habebe Member	Sun Sep 25 22:00:26 Pillz, Germany just quietly stopped saying they would give anymore. Poland/Estonia/Latvia gave, but are unlikely to give much more, as a share of GDP they have alot. The UK has given a billion, more than anyone else except the US who gives like a billion a week.
Pillz Member	Sun Sep 25 22:05:42 Poland, as I explained has nothing left to give. They've sent like a third of their tank fleet already. Latvia, Estonia don't even have tanks. They've given anti tank missiles, but as their entire defensive doctrine relies on anti tank missiles and IFVs they have nothing left to give either.
Habebe Member	Sun Sep 25 22:17:16 I agree, which is why I think they are unlikely to give much more. Germany may step up? I wouldn't hold your breath though. When everyone else was posting future commitments, they were silent.
Paramount Member	Mon Sep 26 00:57:08 Giorgia Meloni has declared herself the winner of the election. They are anti-EU but they wants the moneys that they get from the EU.
Habebe Member	Mon Sep 26 01:04:09 Everyone wants money. Best to just take it, call it tribute. Why is it right wing politicians have flare? http://twi...?t=-tVCs9IVGNboNoqwCyyaSw&s=19 What left wing politicians have that? Seriously compare that to Merkle.
Paramount Member	Mon Sep 26 01:06:35 "Latvia, Estonia don't even have tanks. They've given anti tank missiles, but as their entire defensive doctrine relies on anti tank missiles and IFVs they have nothing left to give either." Isn't their defense strategy also relying on the US/Nato? But if anti-tank missiles is all that they got and if they have given it all away it sounds like they have to increase their military budget by a lot and stop leeching on US taxpayers.
Pillz Member	Mon Sep 26 01:51:22 The entire defense strategy of every European nation amounts to: survive until America saves us
murder Member	Mon Sep 26 02:14:57 That is NATO in a nutshell.
Habebe Member	Mon Sep 26 03:09:34 That's fine, but we should demand 3% GDP as tribute. We can negotiate down to 2%, that way they feel they won something. UK gets a pass.
Habebe Member	Mon Sep 26 13:54:26 So this whole "She's a fascist" seems based on She is pro nuclear family She is anti immigrant Yes, these may have aligned ideas with traditional fascism. But no More than Greta Thunberg has ideas very similar to Nazis like most green parties. Want you to eat less meat. Want to ban vivisection. Support endangered species, all common Nazi ideas. Also, not inherently evil. It was the genocide and oppressionnthat were bad. Being pro family or supporting am endangered species list doesn't make you a Nazi, thats dumb. Its the "Hitler drank milk" crew at work.
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