Utopia Talk / Politics / USA no longer trusts far-right Sweden

williamthebastard Member	Sat Oct 01 05:08:49 Sweden's largest center-right paper Googletranslate Details: The White House has expressed concern about SD ELECTION 2022 Published 1 Oct 2022 at 08:16 The party leader says that SD has a lot of power to pressure M. The Biden administration, among other key employees of Foreign Minister Antony Blinken, has expressed concern in contacts with the Swedish government. Photo: JONAS EKSTRÖMER/TT Jimmie Åkesson's election success is said to have caused concern on the other side of the Atlantic. Photo: STEFAN JERREVÅNG/TT Previous Next The White House has expressed concern about the influence of the Sweden Democrats in the next government. - SD is perceived as an extremely controversial party in their eyes, says a government source and warns that there could be consequences. - The Americans will not share things with us if there is a concern that Russia will get the information. Tomas Nordenskiöld Share Copy link The success of the Sweden Democrats and the Swedish power shift have given rise to big headlines in international media. The greatest focus in the reporting has been on the SD, which American and English-language media generally refer to as a far-right nationalist party ("a far-right nationalist party"), with extreme roots. According to Expressen's sources, the outgoing Swedish government has also received many questions about what the change of power and more specifically the role of the Sweden Democrats will entail. This applies not least to the White House. US Secretary of State Antony Blinken Photo: SAUL LOEB / AP TT NEWS AGENCY The Biden administration, among other key employees of Foreign Minister Antony Blinken, has expressed concern in contacts with the Swedish government. - The White House has asked so much about this, says a government source. Security policy aspects Among other things, it must have concerned aspects of security policy, and according to Expressen's sources, there is a great deal of skepticism towards the type of party that SD is categorized as in the USA. - It is not a decent party, as they see it, and I would say that it can be deeply problematic for the incoming government. The Americans will not share things with us if there is a concern that Russia gets the information through the SD, says a government source with insight. Even when it comes to the climate issue, concerns have been expressed from the American side, and questions have been asked about Sweden's continued commitment internationally. "Le Pen's tribute reinforces the image" Even in contact with other countries, SD's new position of power in Sweden must have given rise to many questions of a similar nature. - The normalization that the Moderates have done of SD in Sweden has not been understood by the outside world. Le Pen's tribute further strengthens the image that is now being established in the outside world. We are placed in the same compartment as Italy, Hungary and Poland. On Friday, it was clear that the SD will be given the position of chairman of the Riksdag's foreign affairs committee, as well as the post of deputy chairman of the defense committee. The moderates have declined to comment on the data. Expressen has also sought SD for a comment.
williamthebastard Member	Sat Oct 01 05:44:03 What with a pro-Putin party very likely by Russian funds suddenly gaining very important positions backed and thus risking that Sweden becomes an unreliable outsider not privvy to important secrets, together with Turkey objecting to Swedens NATO membership, and other events, Sweden could suddenly find themselves very vulnerable and alone. Well done, Moderates, for giving powerful minister positions to alt-right extremists.
williamthebastard Member	Sat Oct 01 05:44:28 very likely backed by Russian funds suddenly gaining very important positions
Habebe Member	Sat Oct 01 05:48:28 The current US administration is far left, so that makes sense. They label anyone who isn't a borderline communist as Russian assets.
murder Member	Sat Oct 01 05:50:17 What do you care? You don't even like NATO.
Habebe Member	Sat Oct 01 05:59:00 I like NATO. I just want our allies to share more in the burden. It should be around 75% Euro funded
murder Member	Sat Oct 01 06:43:22 NATO is already 75% Euro funded.
Habebe Member	Sat Oct 01 06:52:06 It really isn't though. If we have US soldiers in Germany fir example. The entire expense should be covered plus hazard cost. Further they need to step their game up to something reasonable and spend a minimum of 3% GDP on the military.Greece is one of the few that does, but, come on, its greece, we spend 4x their entire GDP/YR on having a real military. The reason we have to have so many troops their is because no Euro country has a real military.
Rugian Member	Sat Oct 01 06:53:26 Center-right, not far-right. You're welcome for the correction.
pillz Member	Sat Oct 01 07:01:11 wah muh russians How weak, stupid, and pathetic America is, to be so completely and totally out witted and undermined by Russia in everything. MUH RUSSIA
murder Member	Sat Oct 01 07:05:11 "It really isn't though." It really is though. For some reason people insist at looking at US defense spending as if most of that had anything to do with Europe. "If we have US soldiers in Germany fir example. The entire expense should be covered plus hazard cost." Don't have them there. "Further they need to step their game up to something reasonable and spend a minimum of 3% GDP on the military." No they really don't. All they really need to do is figure out a way of effectively working together that doesn't involve the US. "The reason we have to have so many troops their is because no Euro country has a real military." The reason we have to have so many troops there is because it gives us easy access to the middle east and North Africa. It's hard to run the world without troops stationed nearby.
murder Member	Sat Oct 01 07:05:59 "How weak, stupid, and pathetic America is, to be so completely and totally out witted and undermined by Russia in everything." America isn't. Just the GOP ... and you. ;o)
Habebe Member	Sat Oct 01 07:20:08 "It really is though. For some reason people insist at looking at US defense spending as if most of that had anything to do with Europe." How much US military expense is directly used in Europe? Alot. Even more when you factor in the EU is basically a vassal state that pays very little tribute. And I don't mean that in a condescending manner, but lets face it, the EU can only exist how it is now because of US defence. "Don't have them there" Yeah, we agree. They pay ot we leave, that should be the deal. "No they really don't. All they really need to do is figure out a way of effectively working together that doesn't involve the US." Your terms are acceptable.
murder Member	Sat Oct 01 07:40:47 "How much US military expense is directly used in Europe? Alot." Well there was the war in Kosovo, and the intervention in Bosnia and Herzegovina. Again, our troops aren't in Europe for European defense.
Habebe Member	Sat Oct 01 08:03:21 So why Euro governments get salty when Trump pulled troops?
Habebe Member	Sat Oct 01 08:04:28 EU defenses are based on the premise that they need to hold out until the US shows up.
Habebe Member	Sat Oct 01 08:04:29 EU defenses are based on the premise that they need to hold out until the US shows up.
murder Member	Sat Oct 01 08:04:48 Money. US bases are generally considered good for the local economy.
murder Member	Sat Oct 01 08:06:25 "EU defenses are based on the premise that they need to hold out until the US shows up." They are ... at least in Eastern Europe. But up until the other day no one was actually worried about getting invaded.
Habebe Member	Sat Oct 01 08:22:57 No one ever is, until they are.
Paramount Member	Sat Oct 01 08:29:20 ” The Americans will not share things with us if there is a concern that Russia gets the information through the SD, says a government source with insight. ” Sweden can clearly not join NATO. Sweden is not fit to join. It is best for everyone if Sweden stays out of it. Even the US ought to see this now. The US is welcome to instigate a coup or to invade Sweden and topple the our government and arrest/kill the SD. Anyhow, SD is more pro-Israel (Zionism) than pro-Russia (Putinism).
Habebe Member	Sat Oct 01 08:52:30 Paramount, That's actually a valid concern. If my government cant trust yours with military info, why have them join NATO?
williamthebastard Member	Sat Oct 01 09:28:51 With a NATO refusal and the USA, i.e. NATO, seeing Sweden as a pro-Putin danger that cannot be trusted with sensitive information, Sweden could find itself very lonely very quickly. Good job, Nimatzo!
Habebe Member	Sat Oct 01 09:32:23 Don't worry, midterms will change alot of congressional actions. We are more favorable towards Sweden & Italian governments than our alt-left potus.
williamthebastard Member	Sat Oct 01 09:36:00 Turkey wont be objecting. Whoever they point at that they want to torture, SD will go, sure, sending the sand nigger over to you as we speak. Now Sweden has to worry if the USA et al. might object instead.
williamthebastard Member	Sat Oct 01 09:39:20 Or, rather, they'll probably object even more initially because now they see they can get whatever they want from SD with regards to asylum protectees, and they have that mentality of beginning haggling procedures with ridiculously high prices etc.
Habebe Member	Sat Oct 01 09:41:12 Honestly I don't know why there is a big deal with having Sweden join NATO. From a US perspective, what do they offer that we don't yet have? Strategic Territory? They make good vehicles, under rated engineering talent IMO, but will it change the balance somehow? Will it lessen US expense? Seems like a political show.
williamthebastard Member	Sat Oct 01 09:44:03 one day Habebe will post something with a tiny bit of thought behind it instead or regurgitating various ways of psychologically comforting himself with "Murca is best, so Im best", like a chimp absentmindedly wanking its cock to feel comfort.
Habebe Member	Sat Oct 01 09:59:39 This from a guy who spends his days arguing with hobos and getting offended that his countrymen fuck their dogs.
murder Member	Sat Oct 01 10:53:22 "Paramount, That's actually a valid concern. If my government cant trust yours with military info, why have them join NATO?" Because Sweden and Finland are part of civilization and therefore both worth protecting. And everything isn't shared anyway.
Habebe Member	Sat Oct 01 11:03:04 Paramount/Nimatzo, I'm curious, do Swedes generally want to be in NATO? I got the impression they were pressured to join by financial means.
Habebe Member	Sat Oct 01 11:14:10 It's funny that WTB took me asking a logical question as me somehow beating my chest with pro american patriotism. As if I said something condescending towards Sweden. I assure you I have nothing but love for Sweden. But militarily I just don't see a big thing about them being in NATO or not. Im not against it, but it doesn't seem necessary either, especially if the governments don't trust each other.
murder Member	Sat Oct 01 11:21:58 "I got the impression they were pressured to join by financial means." They were pressured by Russia's invasion of Ukraine.
Habebe Member	Sat Oct 01 11:43:29 Yes, it's all a rich tapestry.
Paramount Member	Sat Oct 01 13:17:43 ” Paramount/Nimatzo, I'm curious, do Swedes generally want to be in NATO? ” The majority do not want to join Nato. I don’t know if Sweden was pressured to join by financial means.
Paramount Member	Sat Oct 01 13:30:16 ” And everything isn't shared anyway. ” The USA just steals the information that Sweden won’t share. A year ago it was revealed that the NSA spied on Swedish defense industry and politicians (and Norwegians, French, Germans) with the help of the Danish intelligence service and Danish fiber cables. If it was the US that sabotaged the pipelines we should consider to reevaluate our relationship with the US. Is the US really our friend?
Habebe Member	Sat Oct 01 14:02:50 "At the Helsinki summit, Swedish government officials were warned that their country would become less attractive for foreign capital if it remained ‘the only state in Northern Europe outside of NATO’." This seems to have been a concern (understandabley) when they mulled it over. Another interesting tid bit. "the demographic most opposed to NATO membership in Sweden is young men, aged 18-29. And little wonder. They are the segment of the population that would be called upon to join any future military excursion. Contrary to the assumption that Russian aggression has shocked Swedes into unanimous support for the alliance, opposition appears to be on the rise. On 23 March, 44 per cent of young people surveyed were for NATO and 21 per cent against. In the middle of May, 43 per cent of them were for NATO and 32 per cent against: a double-digit leap. Support for membership rises with each age bracket, with the elderly most staunchly in favour. The latest polls from Finland tell a similar story." http://www...mocracy/joining-the-west-5995/
williamthebastard Member	Sat Oct 01 14:47:13 They were warned that...by Finland. Who really doesn't get to decide things like that.
williamthebastard Member	Sat Oct 01 14:49:47 "This seems to have been a concern (understandabley) when they mulled it over." Where did you see Sweden were concerned and mulling it over?
williamthebastard Member	Sat Oct 01 14:50:06 was
williamthebastard Member	Sat Oct 01 14:55:49 Sweden has never had much of a reason to join NATO and still doesnt. Russia can get to Finland but they basically cant get to Sweden. Sweden acted like americans after 911 and made some hasty decisions based on outrage and a slight war fervour and demand for justice for Ukraine that swept the country, much like some other countries. It was mainly about loyalty and taking a stand. At this point, Russia couldnt even muster a hand grenade against Finland let alone a war against Sweden.
Habebe Member	Sat Oct 01 15:03:21 "Sweden has never had much of a reason to join NATO and still doesnt. Russia can get to Finland but they basically cant get to Sweden. " Yes, we agree it made slightly more sense for Finland to join than Sweden. As if we wouldn't save Sweden regardless IF anything was attempted, but I don't see any reason they would. Which goes back to my point. If Sweden has little militarily to gain and NATO has little to gain, other than a political show, what is the point?
williamthebastard Member	Sat Oct 01 15:04:48 I just told you. Hasty decisions based on outrage and taking as strong a stand as possible against Russias aggression, loyalty to western values etc etc
williamthebastard Member	Sat Oct 01 15:07:11 NATO gains a very big Finnish front and the Finns would be very grateful to have their neighbour's modern army standing alongside them
williamthebastard Member	Sat Oct 01 15:12:20 Basically, the thinking didnt go much deeper than, "This is an outrage. You dont like NATO? Guess what, we're all gonna join NATO now, see how you like that"
Habebe Member	Sat Oct 01 15:26:23 "I just told you. " You offered a reason of why it happened on the Swedish end, not why it makes logical sense. But, we agree it was a hasty decision. Why did my government want it? I suspect 1. An extra FU to Russia. 2. Political show "Look how much support we have." Finland being right there, yeah that I get, we can border them and the fins have protection from a possible threat.
williamthebastard Member	Sat Oct 01 15:56:47 Well, the US was, for a short spell, the smartest empire out there, as long as it was making conquests by selling hollywood movies, levis jeans and the american way of life to countries who had a bit of dosh lying around.
Habebe Member	Sat Oct 01 16:07:48 Yes well, those days seem long gone and the US seems like a country that belongs on the Springer show.
murder Member	Sat Oct 01 17:24:17 "A year ago it was revealed that the NSA spied on Swedish defense industry and politicians ..." Don't take it personally. We spy on everybody.
Forwyn Member	Sat Oct 01 18:36:03 Clinton really had the best poison pill hedging against a loss. MUH RUSSIA
murder Member	Sat Oct 01 20:31:54 Yeah, the way she forced Putin to invade Ukraine was genius.
Habebe Member	Sat Oct 01 20:44:55 So what's the deal with Russia owned Uranium mines on US soil? Can we nationalize them now?
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