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Habebe
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Sat Nov 19 04:08:11
http://twi...?t=Ivp4BBcXnZEOj05SipLhng&s=19

Its almost as if Inwas right all along when I said both parties routinely deny elections.
Jesse Malcolm Barack
Member
Sat Nov 19 05:55:29
Dude you have never been right about anything

http://pro...ublicans-trump-election-fraud/
Habebe
Member
Sat Nov 19 06:20:07
538 doesn't count people like Reo. Jackson or Hillary Clinton or Joe Biden or even Stacey Abrams as election deniers, and yet they all have done just that and denied an election.

Jackson has been denying elections since G W Bush.
jergul
large member
Sat Nov 19 07:51:18
Such big false equivalency.
Rugian
Member
Sat Nov 19 07:57:06
Jergul with the typical Democratic "my side is right, your side is wrong, ergo any criticism of my side is invalid" argument.
Habebe
Member
Sat Nov 19 08:01:39
Jergul, Yes, Biden is far worse. Having been funded by foreign interference controlled by foriegn governments and still claiming that Russians "hacked" our elections because of twitter bots and memes.

http://youtu.be/bN3u1vI9dV8

Another good breakdown on how many prominent democrats openly claimed Russian hacked and changed voter tallies.
Habebe
Member
Sat Nov 19 08:02:55
Rugian, It goes along with their hatred of "hearing both sides" or "two sides-ism"
jergul
large member
Sat Nov 19 08:07:10
Apples to apples.

Find democrats that are denying the legitimacy of an election outcome after all legal recourse.

Was it problematic that the USSC cut the Florida recount short for Gore versus Bush? Perhaps. But who is claiming the USSC lacked that authority and therefore the outcome was illegitimate?
jergul
large member
Sat Nov 19 08:11:55
What is up with the whining about foreign engagement in your elections anyway? You do that like everywhere yourselves.

Whine about something important like Iran getting rid of carter by drawing out the hostage crisis until it could get an administration change and access to US weapons.
Habebe
Member
Sat Nov 19 08:20:48
"Find democrats that are denying the legitimacy of an election outcome after all legal recourse.
"

Both of GWB's elections and Trump's 2016 had loads of them.Are you unaware of the house of representatives?

And that still doesn't get at the root of it, legacy media will call GOP election deniers for saying they are concerned about an upcoming election. Meanwhile Hillary is still doing that.

Democrats are routinely saying the GOP plans to steal elections ising Moore V Harper as well.

As for foreign interference, to me EVERY MAJOR NATION influences pir elections to some degree.

But we have been drowned with "muh Russia" because someone (not Putin) somewhere in Russia had a bot farm that supposedly made fb posts that leaned more in favor of Trump than Hillary.

Meanwhile SBF dropps millions directly into accounts and billions into Democrat causes while being a puppet of the Bahamas and who knows who else and the left is silent.
jergul
large member
Sat Nov 19 09:41:06
Who said what specifically about say Gore-Bush after it was called?

The conscequence of devolving election rules to the States will undoubtably be voter suppression with the intent of electing more GOP candidates. What of it? It will still be legitimate if the USSC does it.
Habebe
Member
Sat Nov 19 10:55:54
They formally objected to its certification, led by prominent Democrat Maxine Waters.2005 and 2001.

Furthermore they did again in 2016, 2016 if you watch the clip I posted from Emily Jashinsky she has a compilation claiming Russia hacked US elections and Trump was an illegitimate potus.

As a matter of fact democrats have objected in similar fashion to every GOP potus win after 1988.

My gripe is, legacy media will routinely call any GOP who objects to any election as an election denier, but not a peep to Democrats.

They really try to frame the narrative that the GOP is the sole party of election denial. The truth is both parties do ot when they lose.

Stacey Abrams is a perfect example as well.

And yet we have 538 having 10+ podcasts talking about election deniers on the ballot and ONLY mentions the GOP.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Nov 19 12:10:47
which Dems tried to topple the system by going around the vote?

also which Dems had as stupid of claims as team Trump with Italian satellites changing votes (which a Trump State Dept person actually called Italy to ask about) or easily disproven 'more votes than voters', or made-up claims of thousands of dead people w/ nothing backing it
Habebe
Member
Sat Nov 19 12:16:39
Tw, None of that even if true changes the fact that Democrats routinely deny the legitamacy of elections.

Further they do So without good legal standing and they do So with disprove conspirscy theories.

All up and down ranks, HRC has been one of the most prolific election deniers and lying conspirscy theorist.
Habebe
Member
Sat Nov 19 12:19:05
To boot Biden took $10 million in donations ( on top of PAC money) from scammer SBF who was an agent and citizen of the Bahamas and theur federal government.

Way more than $50k from russian bots and memes.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Nov 19 12:51:05
if you're putting Hillary above Trump you're absolutely nuts

Trump is in his own league

& trying to topple the system is fucking huge... which only Trump did
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Nov 19 13:06:11
i'll bet the OP video found every Hillary quote he could find (including reading a headline from a UK paper w/ her photo up, plus misrepresenting her context like on Biden not conceding)

whereas it has <1% of Trump's continuous stream of bullshit lies (& none of his efforts to corrupt the system to get installed as leader)
Habebe
Member
Sat Nov 19 15:18:18
Tw, Its not just Trump, the media treats any GOP who questions an election as a crazy conspiracy theorist while Dems do it all the time and get no flack outside of Right wing media.

There is no Stacey Abrams being called an election denier.

But of course, hearing more than one side of any argument in legacy media is considered right wing "two sideism"
kargen
Member
Sat Nov 19 15:19:37
"The conscequence of devolving election rules to the States"

Devolving? The states have had the rights to set their own rules for elections since the creation of our nation. The Supreme Court affirmed that and also stated rules and regulations could not be changed mid election.
Habebe
Member
Sat Nov 19 15:26:24
Federal Elections have always had the rules set by state legislatures and Congress.

Moore V Harper just bans governors and appointed unelected groups as well as state* judges from over ruling a state legislature.

It limits the state authority to state legislatures.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Nov 19 16:51:10
i believe Stacey Abrams complaints were about voter suppression (& not in any illegal fashion afaik)... i don't think she ever claimed to have won, nor did Hillary, unlike Trump who fuckheadily declared victory election night & continues to the present

w/ him pushing mass voter fraud claims in the millions when none ever found except a smattering of people voting ~twice, usually for Trump

& including him continuing to push claims his -own- people -investigated- & explained to him how he was wrong... + the whole effort to topple Democracy using those lies

hence why Hillary & Stacey are just sore losers... Trump a threat to the country
Habebe
Member
Sat Nov 19 17:11:20
http://rum...-denying-election-results.html

They have both said their elections were stolen and Abrams also called it rigged.

Again, my primary gripe is kegacy media in general of dismissing Democrats denying election outcomes, calling elections illigitmate , rigged, hacked and stolen.

Al gore, Dnc Chair and Carter have all said Al Gore actually won in Florida.

But they never are deemed election deniers in legacy media.

There is a blatant double standard.

If your a Democrat you can cast soubt on elections all you want and its fine. If your GOP and mention election integrity your an ekection denier.

Now I'll even say there are SOME legitimate things to gripe about on both sides.

Brian Kemp certified his own election.That probably should not be legal, clear danger of conflict of interest.

But my issue is the double standard, much more than just Trump.
jergul
large member
Sat Nov 19 19:24:30
"They formally objected to its certification, led by prominent Democrat Maxine Waters.2005 and 2001.

Furthermore they did again in 2016"

Who is they and how did they object? Is not 2016 a bit late to object to the Gore-Bush election?
jergul
large member
Sat Nov 19 19:30:31
The election is sort of rigged. Just sort voter statistic by demographics and then consider what barriers cause some groups to vote less than others.

This is a factual thing that is about voter suppression and not about a critique of the legitimacy of the results as a whole.

Gore may very well have won in Florida. The count was cut short by the USSC and Gore conceeded. Because once the results are called and legal recourse has been exhausted, the winner is decided.

Let us wait with bated breath for Trump to conceed the 2020 election shall we?
jergul
large member
Sat Nov 19 19:31:43
Habebe
What GOP demographic do you feel is being suppressed?
jergul
large member
Sat Nov 19 19:32:19
Besides felons that never should have been sentenced for victimless crimes of course :).
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