Utopia Talk / Politics / iran civil war

Sam Adams Member	Sat Nov 19 18:42:06 Lets get this started!
jergul large member	Sat Nov 19 19:22:00 Can we do the US civil war first? I am primarily concerned with real time combat information.
murder Member	Sat Nov 19 20:49:56 One side is mostly unarmed but ...
Habebe Member	Sat Nov 19 20:57:50 See if we can have Saudis and Jews smuggle some weapons. This is a war that can be won.
Habebe Member	Sat Nov 19 20:57:50 See if we can have Saudis and Jews smuggle some weapons. This is a war that can be won.
Paramount Member	Sun Nov 20 02:38:17 So if there is a civil war in Iran and they get freedom and democracy, won’t there be an immense pressure on Saudi Barbaria to become a free and democratic state too? And Israel will no longer be able to say that they are only democracy in the Middle East. Is this really what the Saudis and the Jews want?
Average Ameriacn Member	Sun Nov 20 04:15:14 Death to Iran!
Habebe Member	Sun Nov 20 08:18:49 Paramount, They want that more than Iran with nuclear ambitions. It wouldn't be an instant democracy, it would have to be gradual, like Pinochet. But this could change the dynamics of the US relations with SA. If wr can get oil from Iran, and lidt sanctions the Iranians would be much better off and the West is less dependant on SA.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Nov 20 08:33:10 Neither likely, nor desirable.
murder Member	Sun Nov 20 09:17:23 "If wr can get oil from Iran, and lidt sanctions ..." We could do that now. We could have done it yesterday.
murder Member	Sun Nov 20 09:17:43 "If wr can get oil from Iran, and lidt sanctions ..." We could do that now. We could have done it yesterday.
Habebe Member	Sun Nov 20 09:27:17 Murder, What purpose would that serve.
murder Member	Sun Nov 20 09:32:13 Aside from allowing Americans to do business with whoever the hell they like? Cheaper oil obviously. And more leverage over the Saudis.
Habebe Member	Sun Nov 20 09:39:06 Its ironic you hate Israel so much you would actually benefit Russia/China to be anti Israel/SA. Plus that opens a whole new can of worms since Iran will take that $ and fund Hezzbolla and you this etc. Also attacking the oil fields we are protecting. Maybe* we could get them to donall oil deals in USD...IDK. Dumb move all around, wait until new leadership, it might be a LONG time.
murder Member	Sun Nov 20 10:00:25 "Its ironic you hate Israel so much you would actually benefit Russia/China to be anti Israel/SA." It doesn't have a damn thing to with Israel. I have the same position on North Korean sanctions and Venezuelan sanctions and Cuban sanctions.
murder Member	Sun Nov 20 10:02:44 I was also against sanctioning Russian oil and gas.
Forwyn Member	Sun Nov 20 10:56:51 "Can we do the US civil war first?" I identify as a moderate rebel and would like a BGM-71 please.
Habebe Member	Sun Nov 20 13:01:16 Murder, I could be open to an approach that traded concessions for lifting sanctions. IDK...im on the fence.
murder Member	Sun Nov 20 13:18:44 Sanctions infringe the rights of US citizens.
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