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habebe
Member
Thu Dec 01 04:36:45
I do love referenced titles, way more than I should.

Anyway, so 7 minutes ago Kherson was reported to have lost power due to Russian shelling.

The power was out in alot of the Ukrsine earlier. Its already cold there daily temps around 35 degrees in non barbarian measurements.

Side.note: The metric system has plenty of advantages, but weather temperature is not one of them. My car gets 40 rods to the highest and that's the way I likes it!

Any who, this was all predicted by pretty much everyone. Russia would wait til winter andcur the power.

How was this not planned for more?
Pillz
Member
Thu Dec 01 07:02:19
Because Ukraine is winning!

Yesterday Ursula von der Leyen gave a speech saying there have been 100k Ukraine soldiers killed.

She deleted the video off of Twitter but... 100k dead. Lol

jergul
large member
Thu Dec 01 07:16:20
She said "100k officers" technically. I was amused. Imagine the hay murder et al. would have made of it if a pro-russian figure had said that about Russian losses.

Lavrov just made a 3 hour long speech explaining the Russia position. It tries to avoid hitting purely civilian infrastructure, but does target dual use like electricity.

Frankly, the US had a way wider target selection list in Iraq than Russia does in Ukraine. All kinds of things were taken out to undermine both Iraqi forces, then later insurgent efforts. Falluja and Takrit had neither sewage, water or electricity by design when the USMC was dealing with elements there.

Electricity is generally considered a legitimate targets. Dam busting raids of wwii are considered heroic for example.
jergul
large member
Thu Dec 01 07:22:51
The big picture remains that part of the motivation for the war is population. 3.8 million people born in Donbas currently live in Russia.

Russia, by design, wants the ~10 million Ukrainian nationals that are culturally Russian. It would not mind a lot of the remaining 30 million and change to bugger off and live in the EU.

A war crime in one sense, but the peace process in post war Europe had as premise mass migrations to avoid future conflicts. So a follow-up on that in another sense.
jergul
large member
Thu Dec 01 07:26:05
Ironically, the refugees living in the West may be exactly what Ukraine needs. Ukraine is a pretty corrupt country. One way to fix that is by lifting people's expectations. Someone staying in Norway for several years is unlikely to accept business as usual in Ukraine when he or she returns. That person knows things can be better. Way better. And would want the Ukrainian State to live up to the Scandinavian model.
jergul
large member
Thu Dec 01 07:34:34
"Kyiv power supply cuts in the interests of fairness: Some 750 residential buildings across the Ukrainian capital that have enjoyed continuous electricity during power outages will now have their supply cut to “ensure fair and equal conditions," according to a local energy provider."

Like I said, a problem with corruption. Fair and equal conditions probably are just a nice way of saying these special residential building now have their private generators set up. But that is just me speculating.
jergul
large member
Thu Dec 01 07:38:23
Around 1,500 buildings in total are connected to the same supply lines “as critical infrastructure facilities" including pumping stations, boiler stations and hospitals, said DTEK, Ukraine’s largest private energy provider, on Thursday.

Power has been rationed in Kyiv as a result of persistent targeting of energy infrastructure by Russian strikes.

DTEK said that 750 of those residential buildings (out of a total 1,497) will now have their supplies cut in the interests of fairness.

The company has been carrying out “extensive technical work to optimize the power supply scheme for critical infrastructure and, where possible, created an alternative scheme for residential buildings,” meaning they can now apply “emergency or stabilization outages to them," it said.

The remaining 747 buildings will remain connected to the same supply lines because DTEK “cannot change the current electricity supply scheme due to the technical characteristics of the network."

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Complete BS of course. Electricity companies can always cut power to individual customers. Not doing so is a choice. I guess the remaining 747 buildings have not yet gotten their private generators installed :).

Like I said. A problem with corruption.
jergul
large member
Thu Dec 01 09:01:44
"Nuzhin had been serving a jail term for murder but described how he had been recruited by Wagner and was then captured by the Ukrainian military. He told Ukrainian journalists he had switched sides voluntarily and denounced the mercenary group.

It is thought he was then part of a prisoner exchange and within days a gruesome video involving a sledgehammer was posted on a Wagner-linked channel on the Telegram messaging app."

That is the story they are sticking with? A guy who wanted to switch sides was instead sent back to Russia in what amounted to an emergency transfer? Prisoner exchanges generally take many months. Ukraine has also made a huge point of not exchanging POWs that wish to remain in Ukrainian captivity for fear of repucutions.

Or was he released into the hands of rogue elements (for lack of a better term) of the Ukrainian military, then sumarily executed?

I want a greater degree of honesty I think. I would prefer to trust the Ukrainian ministry of defence more than I do its Russian equivalent. Sadly, that is currently not credibly realistic.

The side of good, should, uhm, be good. That includes being truthful about things not directly relating to ongoing operations.
Sam Adams
Member
Thu Dec 01 12:08:02
"Falluja and Takrit had neither sewage, water or electricity"

I dont they had those things before.
habebe
Member
Thu Dec 01 12:25:01
The US so far has spent more than the entire Rusdian military budget, or so Ive heard, $105 Billion.

And we didn't plan better for what seems to have been the modt obvious move.

Hey guess what? They may cut petrol supplies soon too.Probably should prepare for that possibility.
jergul
large member
Thu Dec 01 12:37:31
habebe
That was cut in feb. Ukraine used to get almost all its diesel and gasoline from Belorus and Russia.

Next will probably be natural gas supplies. A lot of the larger generators being sent to Ukraine are primarily NG powered.
Paramount
Member
Thu Dec 01 13:07:30
Lavrov also said that if Ukraine is interested in talks, Russia will listen.

Is this Ukraine’s last chance to cut their losses and save themselves before they will be annihilated by Russia’s coming offensive?

Let’s see if Zelenskyj and those who influence him are seriously interested or if they, Like Adolf Hitler, will refuse to surrender and instead fight to the end – sacrificing lives and destroying the whole country in the process.

Perhaps Zelenskyj can’t talk with Russia because he would be shot and killed by his Nazi battallions if he did. So the future does not look very good for Zelenskyj. He should consider to flee to the USA or to whatever the name of that Island is where he has his multi-million dollar mansion. Or, he can hope that Russia will kill all the Nazis and then he may be able to talk with Russia and accept a surrender.
murder
Member
Thu Dec 01 13:12:58

Probably should bomb Moscow, but that probably won't happen.

Paramount
Member
Fri Dec 02 10:19:45
” Yesterday Ursula von der Leyen gave a speech saying there have been 100k Ukraine soldiers killed.”


Ukraine said yesterday or today that they have only lost 10k soldiers. So someone is lying.
habebe
Member
Fri Dec 02 10:31:44
Paramount, Its not that SOMEONE is lying. They are all lying.

Best estimates rely on other factors. Sort of how economic activity is better measured by lights and satellite activity of freight movement.
Pillz
Member
Fri Dec 02 12:25:16
I doubt the EU was lying.

Kharkov has no more electricity generation capabilities. All energy is now supplied from other regions.

Ukrainian armour losses have been trending steeply downwards the last week.

6950 tanks/ifvs destroyed to date.
Habebe
Member
Fri Dec 02 15:04:21
Pillz, I meant about casualties.

We can see their is no local power.
Habebe
Member
Fri Dec 02 15:08:20
Jergul, If I ever use the term Petrol its just being used as a blanket term for basically all that, oil, gas , NG etc.

Anything petroleum related.
Pillz
Member
Fri Dec 02 20:44:52
Yes, casualties. A 100k dead seems reasonable.

Ukrainian casualties are atrocious. The Ukrainian soldiers say this. The new york times repeatedly reports this. Russia reports this. Ukraine admits it.

Atrocious losses for 9 months add up quick. This week they admitted to 250 daily wounded in Bakhmut alone. That is a defensive operation.

Their offensives for the last month solid have all but abject failures - multiple company sized failures per day.

People aren't in short supply though. They have tens of thousands more in training across Europe and in Ukraine as we speak.

Still, difficult to fight a war with no electricity, running water, or working trains.

And again, they are all but out of tanks. We'll see offensives in Kharkov near Liman and in Zaporizhzhia soon. And that will be all they have, I think. The worsening situation in Bakhmut would previously have triggered a premature effort, but it seems their NATO masters have them listening better now.
Pillz
Member
Sun Dec 04 13:49:11
The lack of equipment was added to the losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Bakhmut: the main thing

Due to the temperature drop in the Bakhmut district, the problem with spare parts and rubber for foreign equipment has worsened for the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which the Military Chronicle reported earlier. During the day, impassable mud is replaced by severe frosts, which makes it difficult to use wheeled armored vehicles MaxxPro, Bushmaster, Sisu and Kirpi.

For the delivery of ammunition, medicines and food to the garrison of the city, the Ground Forces of Ukraine use Soviet armored personnel carriers MT-LB, removed from storage in the Dnepropetrovsk and Kharkov regions.

The advanced units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are forced to get to the line of clashes in civilian vehicles, which is why both regular formations and territorial defense brigades suffer heavy losses.

From November 30 to December 4, the shortage of armored vehicles caused high losses in the 109th and 241st Territorial Defense Brigades in the southeast in the area of ​​Opytny, the Kastus Kalinouski Regiment of Belarusian Nationalists, and the 71st Jaeger Brigade. The situation in the Azov National Battalion (the organization was recognized as a terrorist organization) is especially difficult: among others, the deputy commander of the company, Anton Radko, was seriously wounded. When trying to get out of the shelling on the southeastern outskirts of Bakhmut, five Georgian mercenaries from the "Foreign Legion" of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were killed.

The highest percentage of losses in these units was recorded as a result of the use of Kornet and Konkurs ATGMs by Wagner PMC units, as well as T-80BV tanks supported by D-20 and Giacint-B guns.

https://t.me/intelslava/42305
Hrothgar
Member
Sun Dec 04 14:04:19
I see Pillz still has a boner for Putin and thinks good things are happening for their 8.5 year military adventure into Ukraine.

Look at the fuck'n control map bro. Where Russia has been in the last 9 months. Where they are now. Rumor tactical level details might inspire some hope for Putin supporters. But it's purely psychological morphine without treating the bleedout wound. At the strategic level, it's all bad for Russia and has been since April, as proof by their continual loss of large chunks of formerly occupied areas every couple of months.
Pillz
Member
Sun Dec 04 19:15:35
Lol
Pillz
Member
Sun Dec 04 19:44:44
Top News Today

The official meeting between Russian Defence Minister General of the Army Sergei Shoigu and President of the Republic of Belarus Aleksander Lukashenko.

In Donetsk direction, Russian troops are carrying out successful offensive actions.

In South Donetsk direction, the AFU attempted to break through. As a result of active actions by Russian troops, the enemy unit has been forced into the minefield and destroyed by artillery fire.

In Kupyansk direction, army air strikes, artillery fire, tanks and heavy firing systems at the AFU's positions have thwarted an attempt by the enemy to attack . An attempt to attack Russian military positions has been thwarted as a result of a fire attack on a concentration of AFU manpower and military equipment.

In Krasniy Liman direction, 2 AFU company tactical groups unsuccessfully tried to attack Russian positions. As a result of Russian artillery strikes, the attack has been repelled and the enemy has been pushed back to its initial position.

Operational-Tactical and Army Aviation, Missile Troops and Artillery have neutralised 69 AFU artillery units in firing positions, manpower and military equipment in 187 areas.

The AFU Su-25 aircraft has been shot down by Russian Air Force fighter aircraft near Kransnoarmeysk (Donetsk People's Republic).

Military personnel of Western MD are awarded regular state and departmental awards.

#MoD #TopNews #Russia #Ukraine
@mod_russia_en

Lol
jergul
large member
Mon Dec 05 03:14:37
Hrothgar
I dunno. Its fine that Russia suffered from a case of overreach given how much support Ukraine mobilized in the West, but the prewar population of the areas in kherson and kharkiv was around 400k, with more than half in the city of kherson alone. The line of contact is now half that it was before the retreats...

Ukraine is fighting on life support from the West. It is hard to see how it is winning strategically. For comparison, Germany did not reach the same loss of gdp as Ukraine has suffered before the winter of 1944.
TheChildren
Member
Mon Dec 05 04:09:45
i see, so russia is takin back lands again.

no wonder da fakenews anglomedia stopped talkin nd reportin bout da ukraine offense...

i was wonderin why it was all silent for 3-4 weeks now...

Pillz
Member
Mon Dec 05 08:07:26
"Large-scale air alert: about 100 missiles can hit Ukraine. According to preliminary information, 13 enemy planes fired 8 missiles each, the total number is 104. Caliber missile carriers were also fired at more, a salvo with 16 missiles is possible."

http://twi...?t=uA668G9sNiQKg1F1m1TGrQ&s=19

Multiple Twitter accounts reporting over 100 missiles launched in two waves.

One report of 6 interceptions.

Power out at least partially in Kiev, Zaporizhzhia, Nikolaev, city of Odessa has a total loss of power along with the entire Sumy region.

Ukrainian air defense missiles landed in Moldova:

'The rocket that fell in Moldova once again turned out to be fragments of a 5V55 missile defense system from the Ukrainian S-300PS / PT air defense system.

None of the tractors were hurt in the fall"

https://t.me/intelslava/42392?single
Pillz
Member
Mon Dec 05 08:11:44
Russia will surely be beaten back to Moscow at this Rate, Hrothgar:

Russian Defence Ministry report on the progress of the special military operation in Ukraine
(5 December 2022)

Russian Federation Armed Forces continue the special military operation.

In Kupyansk direction, a company tactical group of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) near Tabayevka (Kharkov region) has been hit by gunfire. In total, 65 Ukrainian servicemen were neutralised, as well as two infantry fighting vehicles, and two pickup trucks.

In Krasny Liman direction, the Russian troops' decisive actions thwarted an attempt by two AFU company tactical groups to attack in the direction of Chervonopopovka and Zhytlovka (Lugansk People's Republic). Moreover, two Ukrainian sabotage and reconnaissance units were annihilated near Raigorodka (Lugansk People's Republic).

During the day, over 60 Ukrainian servicemen have been killed or injured; the enemy also lost three infantry fighting vehicles, an armoured vehicle, and four pickup trucks.

In Donetsk direction, Russian units continue successful offensive. As a result of the fire damage, more than 70 Ukrainian personnel, two tanks, four armoured combat vehicles, and four pickup trucks were annihilated.

In South Donetsk direction, the AFU units made an unsuccessful attempt to counterattack in the direction of Nikolskoye (Donetsk People's Republic). As a result of the fire damage, the enemy was thrown back to the original positions. Up to 30 Ukrainian personnel, two armoured fighting vehicles, and three pickup trucks were eliminated.

Operational-Tactical and Army Aviation, Missile Troops and Artillery struck seven enemy command posts in the areas of Kruglyakovka, Kislovka, and Krakhmalnoye (Kharkov region), Tonenkoye, Torskoye, Ivano-Dayevka, and Vodyanoye (Donetsk People's Republic), and 72 AFU artillery units at their firing positions, manpower and military equipment in 193 areas.

Temporary locations of foreign mercenaries were hit close to Kramatorsk and Dibrova (Donetsk People's Republic).

One US-made AN/TPQ-37 counterbattery radar station was destroyed near Paraskoviyevka (Donetsk People's Republic).

One radar of Ukrainian S-300 air defence system was destroyed near Rai-Aleksandrovka (Donetsk People's Republic).

A munition depot was annihilated close to Kamenskoye (Zaporozhye region).

Fighter aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Forces shot down a Su-25 aircraft of the Ukrainian Air Force in the air close to Yuryevka and a Ukrainian MiG-29 was shot down near Zverevo (Donetsk People's Republic).

Air defence facilities have shot down 1 Mi-8 helicopter of Ukrainian Air Force near Maryinka (Donetsk People's Republic).

In addition, ten unmanned aerial vehicles were destroyed during the day in the areas of the settlements of Vishnevoye, Kirillovka, and Stepnoye (Donetsk People's Republic), Krasnoselovka and Tokmak (Zaporozhye region).

Two HIMARS MLRS rounds were also intercepted near Novoluganskoye (Donetsk People's Republic).

In total, 339 airplanes and 180 helicopters, 2,628 unmanned aerial vehicles, 391 air defence missile systems, 6,996 tanks and other armoured combat vehicles, 910 combat vehicles equipped with MLRS, 3,657 field artillery cannons and mortars, as well as 7,477 units of special military equipment have been destroyed during the special military operation.

#MoD #TopNews #Russia #Ukraine
@mod_russia_en

Sam Adams
Member
Mon Dec 05 11:44:22
3 unicorns, an iowa class battleship, and an x-wing were also destoyed by the heroic defenders of the motherland

pillz believes this shit.
jergul
large member
Mon Dec 05 11:50:06
Probably more importantly, the Russian Command believes "this shit".
Sam Adams
Member
Mon Dec 05 14:38:42
Do they? Does russian high command actually believe this or are they just acting how they think they need to in order to avoid getting shot?
TheChildren
Member
Mon Dec 05 15:02:11
this culd also xplain why suddenly all da talk bout oil price caps...

losin hard on da front = new sanctions being announced

shit is so easy 2 read once u see through da propaganda.

Habebe
Member
Mon Dec 05 15:54:51
Of course this happens under Biden.

Worst FP since maybe Carter.

http://www...urce=Twitter&utm_medium=social
jergul
large member
Mon Dec 05 16:30:00
The problem is not the funding, but rather procurement is hard because there is nothing available to buy.
murder
Member
Mon Dec 05 17:21:45

"Of course this happens under Biden."

WTF do you care what Germany spends on defense? Are you German?

Habebe
Member
Mon Dec 05 19:02:23
Murder, Because we pay to subsidize much of Europe. Maybe we wouldn't need to keep almost 40k troops etc. If they paid it.

I wouldnt care if we didn't foot the bill for their defense.

They are bums, a nation of bums, we let these vassal screw us on the bill, well Biden is.

If we have troops there, at the very least they should keep up their end of the deal.

The way I see it, they are not meeting their fair share of NATO defense spending. Outside the Use Norway is on of the few to actually chip in a reasonable amount.
Habebe
Member
Mon Dec 05 19:04:22
Bit of course we are lacking supplies to cover our needs as it is because the Ukraine is doing so well (ha)

More $ than the entirenyearly budget of the Russiam military and they cant even keep the lights on and lost $20 billion.
murder
Member
Mon Dec 05 20:41:56

"Murder, Because we pay to subsidize much of Europe."

You subsidize Israel, not Germany. Germany provides us a base of operations so we can stick our noses into middle eastern affairs at the behest of Israel.


"Maybe we wouldn't need to keep almost 40k troops etc."

Don't keep any. Close all the bases and ship all the troops back home. Maybe then we can shrink the size of our bloated armed forces.

jergul
large member
Mon Dec 05 20:55:52
hababe
You do understand that procurements are funded, there is not enough equipment available for delivery. Germany thinks this will continue until 2025. This includes the 10 billion funding earmarked f-35s expected for delivery in 2026.

"Bottlenecks at defense companies and other procurement problems have hampered the spending drive. Defense Minister Christine Lambrecht recently revised the target to 2% of GDP and said Berlin would reach it “on average in the next five years."
Habebe
Member
Mon Dec 05 22:17:02
Murder, "Don't keep any. Close all the bases and ship all the troops back home. Maybe then we can shrink the size of our bloated armed forces."

Finally something we may agree on.

Jergul, Isn't that why the US has the defense production act? Literally to increase defense materials needed.

I can tell Biden is fucking up, this in the 2nd time this week I coukdnt get kettle cooked Jalapeno chips. They had one bag of jalapeno flavored corn chips! No but wants chips made out of corn.

I mean maybe with salsa, but now were adding shit.
jergul
large member
Mon Dec 05 23:00:07
Habebe
Ramping up production takes years. Then it takes years to meet pent up demand even if Ukraine stops draining defense equipment.

There is not enough shit for Germany to buy.
Habebe
Member
Tue Dec 06 13:06:27
I don't see why it should take years. Label it for national defense, pass out Meth pills and remove all red tape, problem solved.

What is the hold up? Computer chips?
murder
Member
Tue Dec 06 14:53:14

We should be able to manufacture tons of dumb or semi-retarded weapons.

Pillz
Member
Tue Dec 06 15:39:18
And yet you can't.
Habebe
Member
Tue Dec 06 16:06:35
More fall out from Bidens Eurooean war.
jergul
large member
Tue Dec 06 16:26:45
Maybe outsource it to china?
murder
Member
Tue Dec 06 16:47:38

"And yet you can't."

Of course we can. We're just not prioritizing it. Mostly because we have no intention of consuming that stuff. We're still trying to get rid of most of the ~ 25,000 MRAPs that are pretty useless that we got stuck with from our last wars.

Besides, it's not like Ukraine is having any trouble slaughtering Russians as it is.

Pillz
Member
Tue Dec 06 16:58:54
You can't produce munitions fast enough. You can't build up production faster than Europe.

But congrats on getting rid of your stockpile of decade old armoured vechiles?

I don't know what good 25000 MRAPs are gonna do the hohols though
Paramount
Member
Tue Dec 06 17:45:05
Ukrainans could drive all of the 25,000 MRAP at the same time and at high speed to Moscow. Putin would not be able to stop that many vehicles. Let’s say 10,000 of them will reach Moscow. The soldiers inside the vehicles could then jump out and storm the Russian parliament, capture Putin, and drive back to Kiev.
Sam Adams
Member
Tue Dec 06 18:33:38
"You can't produce munitions fast enough."

Lol pillz the master strategist strikes again.
Paramount
Member
Wed Dec 07 11:03:03
Blinken Says US Had No Role in Strikes on Russia

(Bloomberg) -- Secretary of State Antony Blinken said Tuesday that the US had not encouraged or helped Ukraine to launch strikes inside Russia.

http://new...us-220239546.html?guccounter=1



Ukrainian officials did not formally confirm carrying out drone strikes inside Russia

“They will have less aviation equipment after being damaged due to these mysterious explosions,” said Yurii Ihnat, spokesman for the Air Force Command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/russian-airfield-hit-day-after-drone-strikes-bases-94551765



The US denies responsibility. Ukraine has not said that it was they who did it, but calls the attacks ”mysterious”.

So maybe it is the Brits who are attacking Russia?
TheChildren
Member
Wed Dec 07 11:15:12
if we waz 2 believe westoid redditers, russia ran out of all ammo back in april already.

da ghost alone have crashed 200 planes outta da skies.

ofc westoid stories r as reliable as poop under ur shoe. best thing is 2 go a poodle of rain, and immediately cleanse ur shoe from any poop be4 it starts stinkin in whereever u need 2 be.

Seb
Member
Wed Dec 07 11:17:25
Paramount:

Unlikely. Though they've certainly done enough to warrant it. Skipral and litvinenko and several other less dramatic murders.
TheChildren
Member
Wed Dec 07 11:19:38
if we waz 2 believe da westoids, they had zero artillery left so had 2 buy from north korea which would not work at all, low quality and shat apparently.

only westoids can make quality, u see.

this is da state of delusion that is currently in da west.
Pillz
Member
Wed Dec 07 11:26:50
"Lol pillz the master strategist strikes again."

Stingers been out of production for decades.

You produce 15,000 155mm shells a month. Ukraine goes through that in 2-3 days.

The bid for a North American producer who can do 30,000 155mm shells monthly has gone unfulfilled for now. It was put out in August.

List goes on. DoD has said in August, September, October and November that stocks are dangerously low. Your shipments have accordingly been decreasing.

You can not physically produce enough to maintain aid to Ukraine, resupply your own stocks, and resupply Europe.

There are numerous articles about this issue both on MSM sites and smaller military news sites.

Ukraine lost, and all it cost you was billions of dollars in aid + the added cost of increasing production + purchasing at 2022 prices (so grossly inflated compared to what you paid decades ago or throughout the Iraq and afghan wars).

America sucks at everything, and you've shown China that Taiwan is up for grabs because youre greedy, cowardly, and incompetent.

Paramount
Member
Wed Dec 07 11:34:39
” Unlikely. Though they've certainly done enough to warrant it. Skipral and litvinenko and several other less dramatic murders.”


So what? The US drone strikes people they think are ”bad people”. Israel assassinates Iranian scientists who they think are a threat. I don’t know who murdered Skipral and Litvinenko, but if it was Russia, why can’t Russia follow the examples of two great democracies and kill people too? Aren’t we all supposed to share the values of the USA?
jergul
large member
Wed Dec 07 13:38:03
The problem is industry does not want to gear up for batch production. It only wants capacity to meet long term monthly demand.

So, sure, you could gear up for 100 000 shells a month, 1.2 million a year, 12 million in 10 years 36 million in 30 years (which would be the leveled cost investment period).

If you think you need 36 million shells over the next 30 years.
Sam Adams
Member
Wed Dec 07 15:33:53
"Ukraine lost"

Mentally ill.
Sam Adams
Member
Wed Dec 07 15:36:16
"The US drone strikes people they think are ”bad people”. Israel"

adults are allowed to drink alcohol and go to bed late.

Kids are not.
Habebe
Member
Wed Dec 07 16:00:37
Time person on the year finally wasn't a tranny.

It was Zelensky & "The spirit of the Ukrainian people"

Haha, what a bunch of commie faggots at time....the spirit...
Pillz
Member
Wed Dec 07 18:18:32
I hope you have the decency to stop posting once it's over Sam. Gonna be tough to live down this disconnect from reality you're embracing
Sam Adams
Member
Thu Dec 08 09:45:07
^celebrated the fall of kiev 9 months ago.
jergul
large member
Fri Dec 09 08:56:45
http://www...raine-cant-win-opinion-1764992

Ok, wow. That was way more Russian-optimistic than I think is remotely plausible. But some of it is plausibly possible.
murder
Member
Fri Dec 09 10:34:30

Two randos talking out of their asses.

Pillz
Member
Fri Dec 09 11:27:10
Lol

Imagine wasting billions upon billions just to lose to Russia.

Kys faggot
Sam Adams
Member
Fri Dec 09 11:59:06
Pillz pro-russian trolling gets more and more weak and boring.

Given up?
Pillz
Member
Fri Dec 09 17:26:16
Seems only Americans give up.

Vietnam
Somali
Afghanistan
Ukraine

Your list of military defeats is getting kinda long there...
murder
Member
Fri Dec 09 19:18:38

All the more reason the break the Russian army.

jergul
large member
Fri Dec 09 20:25:36
The Russian army will break itself if that is on the menu. You cannot stress it enough to take credit if it ever happens.
TheChildren
Member
Sat Dec 10 09:43:31
looks like da hammer is comin down soon.

russia has mobilized 180k troops, thousands and thousands of tanks backed by thousands of ballistic missiles and artillery and choppas on da border now.

TheChildren
Member
Sat Dec 10 09:48:16
butbutbut readitors said russia ran out of ammo back in april 22?>???

Pillz
Member
Sat Dec 10 10:16:57
Russia will collapse any moment now. Just 1 more HIMARS missile and its over!
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