Utopia Talk / Politics / Twitter 3.0: Tesla's meltdown continued

murder Member	Thu Dec 22 11:12:25 $126.22 -8.25% today -68.43% for the year :o)
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Thu Dec 22 12:50:09 Crashing from oversold conditions. I jinxed Tesla :-(
williamthebastard Member	Thu Dec 22 14:15:50 He down-sized the wrong company. Next: Massive layoffs at Tesla
Rugian Member	Thu Dec 22 14:21:53 Nasdaq in general is down like a third. Whats your point?
habebe Member	Thu Dec 22 14:31:42 Rugian, The market plummets. The left "Omg look TSLA oing down" TSLA: Still the most valuable automaker/tech company/etc in the world.
williamthebastard Member	Thu Dec 22 14:35:49 Meanwhile, an 8 car pile-up caused by a Tesla in self-drive mode. I cant wait till Musk sets up holiday camps on Mars
williamthebastard Member	Thu Dec 22 14:37:01 http://www...l.html?&recirc=taboolainternal
williamthebastard Member	Thu Dec 22 14:46:07 Tesla has produced a stock of cars in line with their forecast of a 60% expansion this year. Instead, theyve dropped about 37%.
williamthebastard Member	Thu Dec 22 14:48:06 Like a huge empty nightclub catering to a couple of lonely guests in the bar.
TheChildren Member	Thu Dec 22 14:50:41 da tesla suckas got suckaered hard. who laughed all day way 2 da bank. crash? 2 late fuckers. he already cashed out long ago. even bought a new company. idiots.
habebe Member	Thu Dec 22 17:00:13 Doesn't TSLA have a huge back order? The Semis alone are in such demand they can't keep pace.
Dukhat Member	Thu Dec 22 17:12:20 Elon alienating all the libs who buy his car wasn't a very good idea. People have options now.
habebe Member	Thu Dec 22 19:29:23 Have their sales plummeted?
habebe Member	Thu Dec 22 19:31:31 Mr. Beast is "Not out of the realm of possibility" to be tagged for the next Chief Twit (Since technically they don't have a CEO)
murder Member	Fri Dec 23 10:28:41 He's going to fleece the suckers AGAIN! ================================ Elon Musk says we're 'overdue' for a recession, won't sell any more Tesla stock for 18-24 months Elon Musk told Tesla investors he wouldn't sell additional shares of his EV company in the near future and that he only sold recently to prepare for a potential recession.  "I'm not selling any stock for, I don't know, at minimum 18 to 24 months. So you can count on no stock sales until 2025 or something," Musk said in a Twitter Spaces chat on Thursday.  "I needed to sell some stock to make sure there was powder dry to account for a worst-case scenario," he added. This isn't the first time Musk has vowed not to sell more Tesla stock this year. In August, after selling more than $8 billion worth of Tesla stock to help finance his purchase of Twitter, Musk tweeted, "no further TSLA sales planned after today." Earlier this month, he sold another $3.6 billion in Tesla shares, though. The stock traded at a 52-week low as of Thursday's close.  Musk weighed in on the broader economy with a gloomy outlook for the coming year: "from a long-term standpoint, there's a natural economic cycle that happens, and frankly, we're overdue for a recession," he said.  "It's shocking that we haven't had an economic recession in any meaningful sense of the word since 2009," he added.  Some investors have expressed worry that Musk has become disengaged as Tesla's CEO as he shifts his focus to leading Twitter, further causing Tesla's stock to sink.  However, Musk said that "there was not a single important meeting that I missed" at Tesla since taking the reigns at Twitter, telling listeners in the Spaces chat that he only sold Tesla shares because he's "somewhat paranoid, having gone through two very intense recessions." http://www...year-recession-overdue-2022-12
murder Member	Fri Dec 23 10:30:07 He pulled this exact same bullshit earlier this year ... and then sold Tesla shares on 4 separate occasions. You truly can fool some of the people all of the time.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Fri Dec 23 11:07:32 This is all part of the master plan. Rug pulling Tesla, dump into SpaceX, flee to Mars with a small elite of scientists and engineers, send an army of robot EV transformers back to conquer earth and enslave humanity with neuralink.
murder Member	Fri Dec 23 15:28:59 That makes too much sense for it not to be true.
murder Member	Fri Dec 23 15:32:06 $123.15 -1.76% -69.21% Another down day for Tesla.
murder Member	Tue Dec 27 13:29:56 $112.28 -8.83% -71.95% so far this year OUCH! That's going to leave a mark! :o)
williamthebastard Member	Tue Dec 27 13:54:06 I bet Nimatzo and Habebe are buying up as much TSLA as they can since this is all part of Elons master chess game, right?
Rugian Member	Tue Dec 27 14:00:11 Well yeah. Buy low, sell high.
murder Member	Tue Dec 27 14:13:33 The way Elon is going you may be able to load at $40 soon.
williamthebastard Member	Tue Dec 27 14:21:27 I think his plan is to sell Twitter shares to buy back Tesla shares and thus increase their value, then sell those Tesla shares to buy back Twitter shares and increase their value, and so on ad infinitum. This genius has invented the perpetual profit machine.
murder Member	Tue Dec 27 16:47:42 $109.10 -11.41% for the day -72.72% for the year so far And it's even lower after hours. I'm kind of amazed that some deep pockets haven't stepped in to prop up the stock price.
Habebe Member	Tue Dec 27 17:03:41 These are actually decent prices for TSLA. Not sure if it hit its floor, everyone is planning on 2023 being the worst economy since the 30s, so...IDK.
murder Member	Tue Dec 27 17:39:04 Tesla is at risk of becoming the first company to ever lose $1 trillion in valuation. :o)
Habebe Member	Tue Dec 27 18:47:51 Didn't black rock lose like 2.5?
Habebe Member	Tue Dec 27 18:50:29 http://www...0during%20the%20bear%20market. Atleast over 2 trillion.
murder Member	Tue Dec 27 19:23:24 I'm talking about the value of the company's stock. Only a handful of companies have ever reached the trillion dollar value.
murder Member	Wed Dec 28 06:52:57 What does the Cult of Elon Musk look like? =============================== Pranay Pathole @PPathole SpaceX has successfully launched and landed Falcon 9 60 times this year. That’s incredible. This is an amazing accomplishment. If you look back 7 years, reusable rockets were just a theory, thanks to SpaceX & @elonmusk for making it a reality ================================ As if the Space Shuttle never existed.
murder Member	Fri Dec 30 07:13:57 I remember soon after Elon took over Twitter someone here (Habebe?) claimed that he had cracked down on the crypto spam on the site. But pretty much every day the most of Twitter's news tab is filled with shitcoin and NFT "trends". http://twitter.com/explore/tabs/news_unified
williamthebastard Member	Fri Dec 30 07:26:08 http://www...kVXRxxWMzKFOh3qTkpdkr5aP-Q4o_4
murder Member	Tue Jan 03 11:30:30 After a couple of good days, Tesla's stock is getting hammered again. It's down to $106.00
Sam Adams Member	Tue Jan 03 11:42:27 "As if the Space Shuttle never existed." The shuttle was not particularly reusable.
murder Member	Tue Jan 03 12:10:17 Each shuttle flew at least 10 times. Discovery: 39 flights Atlantis: 33 flights Endeavour: 25 flights Columbia: 28 flights Challenger: 10 flights The solid rocket boosters were also recovered and reused whenever possible. http://en....e_Shuttle_Solid_Rocket_Booster Only the external fuel tank was meant to be expendable.
Seb Member	Tue Jan 03 12:51:27 A lot more parts needed to be replaced. It's difficult to be precise because they are different classes of vehicle but my bet would be the spacex vehicles (current and starship) shake out to be "more reusaable" in the sense that less refurbishment work and consumables and requalification is easier, translating into better duty cycle and better economics. But we need a bit more data.
Habebe Member	Tue Jan 03 13:04:08 Murder, Its down 13% today down to that $106, I bought a bunch of ATNF @ $2.67, so I had a great surprise this morning. I dont know if it's the bottom, but $106 for Tesla could be a safe long swing.
Sam Adams Member	Tue Jan 03 13:33:29 "Each shuttle flew at least 10 times." Each orbiter did, but the majority of launch structural mass did not. Plus it took a fuckton more work. Falcons are clearly more reusable.
Seb Member	Tue Jan 03 15:14:15 Sam: Yeah but the payload is lower and I wonder if human flight rating will mean in practice that progressively more components need replacing as time goes on to remain rated for human flight. It shouldn't be hard to beat the shuttle though.
Sam Adams Member	Tue Jan 03 15:50:17 True, it remains to be seen if spacex will remain as reusable when they are aiming for human reliable launches. Although the falcon cargo success rate is now comparable to the shuttles human success rate.
murder Member	Tue Jan 03 16:25:33 "It's difficult to be precise because they are different classes of vehicle but my bet would be the spacex vehicles (current and starship) shake out to be "more reusaable" in the sense that less refurbishment work and consumables and requalification is easier, translating into better duty cycle and better economics." It's also difficult because we have to rely on what Elon Musk says, and he's heavily invested in the narrative of reusable rockets. Also he's been known to lie. But even if we just accept the fact of SpaceX rockets being more reusable, it doesn't change my objection to the tweet. This ... "If you look back 7 years, reusable rockets were just a theory, thanks to SpaceX & @elonmusk for making it a reality" Would still be bullshit. The shuttle made it all the way into orbit and even made trips to fix the Hubble telescope and then returned to fly again. The 2nd stage on Falcon 9s get trashed. Half the rocket gets trashed. The Falcon 1s were 100% trashed. The Falcon Heavy 2nd stage is trashed. The problem is that much like with his "full self driving" bullshit, people and the media tend to simply accept whatever the hell he says as fact ... because he's a genius.
Sam Adams Member	Tue Jan 03 17:10:08 "It's also difficult because we have to rely on what Elon Musk says" No. You cant hide or make up a rocket launch.
Seb Member	Tue Jan 03 17:14:22 Murder: Look, musk is a grade a bullshitter. But. On balance I would say the statement is more true than false. The level of refurbishment of even the shuttle orbiter was so high and involved so much replacement. That's Leaving aside the main booster and low recovery rates on secondary boosters. Falcon is almost entirely reusable with minimum refurbishment effort. For manned missions at least. If we want to be binary about it, I'd probably say the Shuttle wasn't really reusable or, if you want to say it is because you can rebuild the orbiter and fit new boosters, you've bought the redefinition of reusability to meet the political objective of saying it's been achieved after congress budget mangled the original design, while ignoring the intended point of reusability - cheaper launch costs. The shuttle was two to three times the cost per seat of Soyuz and four times in items if kg to Leo, despite Soyuz being smaller with less payload volume. Largely because you end up using a heck of a lot of consumed boosters to get a really bad guide vehicle into orbit that then he to be substantially rebuilt and requalified when it lands. Which isn't the hallmark of reusability.
murder Member	Tue Jan 03 17:42:06 "Falcon is almost entirely reusable with minimum refurbishment effort. For manned missions at least." I literally just pointed out that that is bullshit. half of Falcon 9s (the 2nd stage and fairings) are lost. 100% of Falcon 1s were expended. How much work is required on the recovered stage is whatever he says it is.
Seb Member	Tue Jan 03 17:58:19 Murder: They've done fairing recovery. You are correct, I am mistaken, I thought they'd done second stage but they've abandoned that for just doubling down with starship. That said, I don't think they are that far off and if the point of reusability is economic efficiency, they are doing a better job than the shuttle.
Sam Adams Member	Tue Jan 03 18:36:47 The second stage is quite a bit smaller than the first stage. The majority of the rocket is reusable.
Habebe Member	Tue Jan 03 20:07:26 Price per Kilo. That and availability of trips. Nuff said.
williamthebastard Member	Wed Jan 04 11:58:16 "Tesla stock is 'way oversold on fears of the unknown,' Wedbush's Ives says" As always, the stock market - the foundation of the global economy and all our livelihoods - is governed by hunches, guesses, fears, panic and all the wrong methods for running a global economy. Ironically, the experts in this field - the most notorious bunch of idiots to ever get beaten in every comparison with chimps randomly throwing darts at charts - are the same experts keenly followed by all the dumbasses who scorn "experts" and know far more than them about everything
williamthebastard Member	Wed Jan 04 12:07:39 The first thing neuralink will do when it takes over is immediately end such brutally inefficient delivery systems
Hrothgar Member	Wed Jan 04 15:32:28 This thread drives home the point that Musk needs to quit dicking around with Twitter and get back to being in the midst of effort/discussion/debate toward innovative progress. Electric vehicle tech and humanity's space capabilities are in a far better place of advancement because of companies he put together. Back before he decided to become a dumb fuck social media influencer.
Pillz Member	Wed Jan 04 17:43:13 Liberals are so stupid
Seb Member	Thu Jan 05 02:58:19 Hrothgar: In principle I disagree: I think he's right in that the right integration of social media into liberal democratic society and culture is many ways *the* problem. I think there's quite a lot of good reasons to think "fixing" social media is actually quite an important technology. If you look at what printing press did in terms of social and physical technology and it's impact on society, you can see it's importance. One of the consequences of the the printing press was mass access to liturgical texts, an explosion in lay access to those texts, the Protestant reformation and huge social and then intestate conflict over what in retrospect look like obscure theological differences over e.g. whether the sacrament was actually transubstantiated into the body and blood of Christ or remained symbolic. That ought to sound a bit familiar (cf. trans issues for example). However, I do not think Musk is the man to do this. For a start I think his diagnosis and prescription (filtering = censorship and we need more Laissez faire not less) isn't right or historically analogous to the development path of integrating the printing press into society and culture. Possibly it's not something any single person can do. But he's right that its a problem of the forefront of our civilisation and may be existential.
Seb Member	Thu Jan 05 02:58:40 *existential for our society, not necessarily our soecies
Habebe Member	Thu Jan 05 04:30:58 " Ironically, the experts in this field - the most notorious bunch of idiots to ever get beaten in every comparison with chimps randomly throwing darts at charts" Wait until he does the medical.and teaching professions. Not to mention climate scientists.
Seb Member	Thu Jan 05 04:40:24 Habebe: If they could predict stock prices as well as the climate models have worked out stock trading wouldn't be a thing. http://www...ions-compared-to-observations/
Habebe Member	Thu Jan 05 05:10:55 Shouodnt we have sgarved to death, frozen to death , been under sea water and Burt alive already? I'm not claiming that traders are very accurate, Im claiming many "experts" should leave the the "" up. And Inshould know, I'm an arch duke of the internet.
Seb Member	Thu Jan 05 06:43:21 Habebe: "Shouodnt we have sgarved to death, frozen to death , been under sea water and Burt alive already?" No. Those were not predictions. But the weakening of the polar jet stream and subsequent arctic polar vortex event of the kind that just hit your country and caused quite a few people to freeze to death are absolutely a prediction of the kind of extreme climate events that a warming world generates more frequently.
Pillz Member	Thu Jan 05 13:34:43 Seb is maybe the biggest pussy in the world
Sam Adams Member	Thu Jan 05 14:47:43 "of the kind that just hit your country" You mean the kind that has occured plenty often before?
Seb Member	Fri Jan 06 03:30:18 The quid pro quo for a polar vortex collapse is unusual warming events. When was the last time it was 19 degrees anywhere in Poland in January? As ever, it's not a new mechanism generating new events never before seen, it is the mechanism g more extreme and frequent events that we have seen before.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Fri Jan 06 07:33:22 WTB is a moron who does not understand even the most basic things and functions of the real world - Part 37265 ”As always, the stock market - the foundation of the global economy and all our livelihoods - is governed by hunches, guesses, fears, panic and all the wrong methods for running a global economy.” The stock market isn’t the foundation of the global economy. It is the reciept of everything that is, has and expected to happen. Including disasters/wars, monetary policy, trade etc and so on. It isn’t a perfect reflection of the economy, but the above statement is far closer to the truth than what he just said. Market activity is in general affected by the world and economy, not the other way around. Those pathways exist but are marginal in the bigger picture.
williamthebastard Member	Fri Jan 06 09:38:33 ouch, hit 102 there. Dip below 100 soon?
williamthebastard Member	Fri Jan 06 09:40:51 101.81
williamthebastard Member	Sat Jan 07 04:44:12 "On Musk's Twitter, users looking to sell and trade child sex abuse material are still easily found. NBC News found accounts openly promoting the sale and trade of such material." http://www...child-abuse-material-rcna63621
LazyCommunist Member	Sun Jan 15 04:41:41 Capitalist against capitalist http://www...-rent-report-360039-2023-01-12 Things have been going awry for Twitter employees ever since billionaire Elon Musk took over the micro-blogging platform. If a tech analyst is to be believed, Twitter employees in Singapore have been forced out of office by landlord as Elon Musk failed to pay rent. This is the latest in a litany of woes that Twitter's employees have faced in recent months, including layoffs and work pressure that was hitherto unheard of at the company.  Top tech analyst Casey Newton has reported that the employees working at Twitter’s Singapore office were forced to walk out of the building by the landlords. “I'm told Twitter employees were just walked out of its Singapore office — its Asia-Pacific headquarters — over nonpayment of rent. Landlords walked employees out of the building,” Newton tweeted. Reports had previously revealed that Twitter has not paid the rent for its headquarters, or any of its other global offices, in weeks. Twitter was previously sued for not paying rent for an office space in San Francisco. As per a Bloomberg report, the land owner revealed that the social media giant was notified on December 16, 2022, that it would be in default on its lease for the 30th floor of the Hartford Building in five days unless the rent was paid. Singapore-based staffers have now been reassigned as remote workers in Twitter’s internal system until further notice, reported Bloomberg on Thursday. Singapore serves as Twitter’s Asia-Pacific headquarters, a region that was hit hard by deep and abrupt job cuts when new owner Musk took over the San Francisco-based firm. The company this month also let go of Nur Azhar Bin Ayob, who had been the head of site integrity for the region.
williamthebastard Member	Sun Jan 15 06:05:22 "Prosecutors can now request detentions of up to 180 days for the four suspects on charges of being part of an organised crime group, human trafficking and rape." "The man we need" - Nimatzo and renowned expert Eliza Blew
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Jan 15 06:25:59 Waaaaaa! -WTB itching his vagina.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Jan 15 06:31:11 Spoiler, his vagina hurts from me fisting it all the time. Hihihi little cunt is all silent when I fist him and then he passive aggressively whines about it in other threads. Such a victim.
Capitalist Member	Thu Feb 02 09:28:37 That's just great, nothing in this world should be for free! http://twitter.com/TwitterDev/status/1621026986784337922 Starting February 9, we will no longer support free access to the Twitter API, both v2 and v1.1. A paid basic tier will be available instead
Habebe Member	Thu Feb 02 10:15:29 So TSLA is trading just under $200... And one of the few big tech companies to increase staff. But sure its a crumbling company....
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