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murder
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Mon Jan 09 17:32:45
Impeach him now!!!!! :oD

murder
Member
Mon Jan 09 17:33:57

CBS News @CBSNews

EXCLUSIVE: Classified documents from Joe Biden’s vice-presidential office were discovered by the president's personal attorneys at the Penn Biden Center, a think tank in Washington, D.C.

murder
Member
Mon Jan 09 17:34:59

Biden and Trump can be cellies. :o)



murder
Member
Mon Jan 09 18:31:58

Hunter Biden probably ratted him out to give House Republicans a legitimate reason to impeach the old man so they wouldn't have to investigate him.

habebe
Member
Mon Jan 09 20:12:10
let me guess, this you don't really care about.
Dukhat
Member
Mon Jan 09 23:53:29
Obaminated's here to check if there are any more naked pictures of Hunter Biden for him to rage-masturbate to
obaminated
Member
Mon Jan 09 23:56:38
What
Paramount
Member
Tue Jan 10 02:14:38
No one is above the law. If Biden broke the law he needs to be punished.
murder
Member
Tue Jan 10 06:07:06

"let me guess, this you don't really care about."

WTF are you talking about? I'm leading the impeachment bandwagon. After he's out of office he can be prosecuted and locked up with Trump in a bipartisan prison cell where they can ramble incoherently at each other about shit that never happened but they think did.

It's time to move on to President Kamala Harris! :o)

obaminated
Member
Tue Jan 10 07:52:25
Kamala would be the best thing for the GoP right now. Dumb cackling mulatto whore would give such much ammunition for any republican pres candidate.
murder
Member
Tue Jan 10 09:13:48

Mulatto? She's an Jamaican/Indian American mix.

Habebe
Member
Tue Jan 10 09:56:10
" Tue Jan 10 02:14:38
No one is above the law. If Biden broke the law he needs to be punished."

Peeper Beatle!

"It's time to move on to President Kamala Harris! :o)
"

Agreed.
Average Ameriacn
Member
Tue Jan 10 11:11:23
Vote Trump and he will lock him up like he did with Hillary.
Hrothgar
Member
Tue Jan 10 13:06:13
The fear of god needs to be put into these politicians about abusing their status to get hands on documents they do not legally have rights to. After the top-secret document Trump shenanigans this deserves a full-blown investigation.

That being said, already seems to be stark differences in how Biden is reacting to it vs Trump. It's going to look a lot different legally between one of them being cooperative with an investigation vs one ignoring subpoenas and trying to hide as info possible.
habebe
Member
Tue Jan 10 13:13:22
"That being said, already seems to be stark differences in how Biden is reacting to it vs Trump."

1. Biden kept his far longer.
2. Biden had no more authority than the janitor to determine whether or not he could posess them at all.

The entire classification of documents is based solely around the potus.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Jan 10 13:36:11
Trump can't possess them after office any more than a janitor either

----------

one guy took home a stapler from work, later discovered it & returned it

one guy took home a copy machine, then repeatedly refused to return it when asked, thus requiring the involvement of law enforcement, to whom his team certified he didn't have it, but then he posted a photo of himself photo-copying his ass leading to a search warrant being executed to finally recover it, otherwise he'd still have it

different

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but yeah, investigate if taking the stapler was deliberate, i don't care... but definitely prosecute Trump
Habebe
Member
Tue Jan 10 15:18:51
"Trump can't possess them after office any more than a janitor either"

If he declassified it, which he claims, yes he can.

But of course do your mental gymnastics to fund a way to downplay bidens crimes and make Trump out to be the real bad guy....Im not surprised.
obaminated
Member
Tue Jan 10 15:55:36
Trump is a way out of his problem, he had a legal means to declassify them. Assuming he did he is innocent.

Biden never had authority to declassify any documents and has zero way to be innocent in this case. Biden also had his documents illegally since at least 2016, a pretty long time.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Jan 10 16:06:16
"If he declassified it, which he claims, yes he can"

you mean when caught committing a crime, the pathological liar made a claim that wouldn't make it a crime?? shocking

there WOULD be evidence... a shred of evidence it happened... no even shred exists

(plus i'm sure R's don't want it known what reckless careless shit he supposedly declassified)
Habebe
Member
Tue Jan 10 16:10:59
I love how the entire left fraudosphere is "Stealing classified documents isn't a big deal now, having your lawyers negotiate with the DOJ over the documents, that is the real crime"

This whole thing goes back to what the Trump team had said fir a while, they all take this sort of shit.

But the fraudosphere pusging the idea that "Trump was selling the nuculear codes", or rather just infected/implied it "For all we know he was selling the nuculear codes! We are all doomed"

They begrudgingly "Well, yeah, we made such a big deal out of Trump having documents we have to atleast "investigate" this, but it's a nothing burger, Biden made a simple accident, Trump was destroying democracy"
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Jan 10 16:25:02
Biden returned the docs immediately upon finding

Trump REFUSED to return the docs (for ~2 years), & lied in response to subpoena (WITH PROOF)... it's TOTALLY DIFFERENT

-the lie to subpoena is a crime
-the keeping WITH INTENT is a crime
(both entirely proven to be committed by him specifically by his stupid 'not on the floor' claims)

having the docs is wrong for both... but need intent for the crime... not established at all for Biden (& no obstruction at all)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Jan 10 16:26:36
plus massive difference in quantity of docs
Habebe
Member
Tue Jan 10 16:42:05
"Trump REFUSED to return the docs"

We're they not in negotiations?

And again, the crime is.no longer stealing potentially ckassified documents, it's not negotiating with the DOJ?

Habebe
Member
Tue Jan 10 16:45:47
How could someone be so reckless?

Wasn't that Bidens statement? While he literally had admitted confidential documents that he had. bbqo authority to classify/reclassify.

The process of classification/declassification as I explained before does not contain a presidents ability since it is a lesser law from a lesser authority.

It would be like Alabama passing a law saying you can not ooenly disagree with the governor, well, it's a useless law that does not have to be followed because the supreme law of the land says otherwise.
kargen
Member
Tue Jan 10 18:10:53
Returning them by force or voluntarily doesn't really matter. The crime was/is in the taking of the documents. The number of documents also does not matter. Taking one is a crime.

Some of the documents Biden had were "highly classified".

Some Democrats (probably those that don't want Biden to run again) are saying both Trump and Biden should be thoroughly investigated. One basically said they have to investigate Biden so they can continue investigating Trump. He doesn't want to let go of possibly getting Trump on something because he is as nuts as Tumbleweed is when it comes to Trump derangement.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Jan 10 18:31:45
"Returning them by force or voluntarily doesn't really matter. The crime was/is in the taking of the documents. "

completely false
(also logically stupid in terms of having a problem w/ it)

-a small #, no indication intentional (as of yet), voluntarily returned
-a huge #, knowingly possessed, requiring taking by force to retrieve after lying to cops about it

yeah, let's charge them w/ same crimes

-----------

"Some Democrats... are saying both Trump and Biden should be thoroughly investigated"

yes, investigate... but no indication of crime currently, unlike w/ Trump
Habebe
Member
Tue Jan 10 18:50:31
So your argument is that Trumps crime is in negotiating via lawyers?

He claims he was being cooperative.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Jan 10 19:05:13
"He claims he was being cooperative. "

who claims? Trump? Trump claims something & that's meaningful? & again, that claim only after being raided by cops... so Trump does what he does 100.0% of the time, & just says whatever sounds good for him, truth never enters the equation

no, he was not being cooperative nor negotiating... they lied in response to a subpoena, that's not negotiating, that's committing an additional crime
murder
Member
Tue Jan 10 19:16:51

"So your argument is that Trumps crime is in negotiating via lawyers?"

Thieves don't get to negotiate the return of their stolen loot.

kargen
Member
Tue Jan 10 19:29:06
Remember they recommended to Trump that he make the documents more secure which he did and then much later decided to raid.
That doesn't matter though. What matters for both cases is who took the documents and did they have the authority to do so. The crime is in taking the documents.
Being cooperative or not would come into play during sentencing if someone is found guilty. Until then how many documents, how long they were kept and how they were returned doesn't matter.

Biden is claiming he didn't know the documents were in his office and he doesn't know what is on them. If that is true then they need to find out who put them there and why. If Biden did take them then he really isn't cooperating either and lied just as you are claiming Trump lied.
Both cases need to be fully investigated and if a crime was committed the consequences need to be faced.
murder
Member
Tue Jan 10 19:46:23

I don't need any investigation. They are both guilty. Throw them both in prison.

I never liked Biden anyway. :o)

kargen
Member
Tue Jan 10 20:04:02
Can we just assume Obama was better at hiding the documents he took and toss him in prison also?
habebe
Member
Tue Jan 10 20:24:15
It's (D)ifferent.
habebe
Member
Tue Jan 10 20:41:14
Tucker made a good point on it (watching now)

Its Probably them trying to get ahead of the GOP investigations.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Jan 10 22:16:52
"Remember they recommended to Trump that he make the documents more secure which he did and then much later decided to raid."

no... i remember when Trump's team would not allow the FBI to see the documents so they said to at least make the storage room more secure

and then he lied in response to subpoena, & FBI learned he still had shit, so they raided as that was the only way to get the documents he had been knowingly holding all along (including NOT in the now locked storage room)
habebe
Member
Tue Jan 10 23:21:34
".. i remember when Trump's team would not allow the FBI to see the documents"

Is that a crime?
kargen
Member
Tue Jan 10 23:37:49
Some reporting now that a few of the classified documents pertain to Ukraine so good chance Biden took them so Trump wouldn't find out the truth about what the Biden family was really doing there.
Paramount
Member
Wed Jan 11 02:32:43
”Biden is claiming he didn't know the documents were in his office”


Saying ”I didn't know” is not a defense. It's like being pulled over by the police for speeding and you say: "i diDn't KnOw i wAs spEediNg". The crime is still committed and he needs to be punished.
murder
Member
Wed Jan 11 14:21:41

"Can we just assume Obama was better at hiding the documents he took and toss him in prison also?"

Fuck Obama too for letting the Russians dick with our election and invade Ukraine.

murder
Member
Wed Jan 11 14:23:34

"Some reporting now that a few of the classified documents pertain to Ukraine so good chance Biden took them so Trump wouldn't find out the truth about what the Biden family was really doing there."

Yes but the real question is how was Coco Chow involved and can we throw her and McConnell in the slammer too?

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Jan 11 14:32:06
"
".. i remember when Trump's team would not allow the FBI to see the documents"

Is that a crime?
"

probably not (but suspicious given circumstances)... however the reason i posted it is because kargen was trying to imply the FBI was fine w/ Trump keeping the docs when they didn't know what the docs were


"so good chance Biden took them so Trump wouldn't find out the truth"

good chance? idiotic, the obvious most likely explanation is pure accident

an excuse Trump can't use as instead of returning them once noticed he did the opposite, no notification, needing Nat'l Archives to come to him, plus refusing to return when asked -repeatedly-, including by subpoena

so incredibly obviously clearly different

& to the constant drumbeat of fucknut R's claiming 'when are they going to raid Biden??'... they didn't raid Trump for -over a year- when knowing he had docs the whole time

the most analogous thing to Biden is when Trump's team, when pretending to be cooperative well after the raid, started looking for more docs & indeed found more in a storage locker & did the right thing that time in returning them (assuming they returned all they found anyway)... & no the FBI didn't re-raid Trump (although they should, as he's such an obviously irresponsible asshole & repeatedly tried to obstruct the recovery... completely unlike Biden)
obaminated
Member
Wed Jan 11 15:31:10
Second cache of classified docs found at another location. Doesn't look good for lyin Joe biden.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Jan 11 15:38:56
also, for the record, a US attorney (appointed by Trump) is reviewing the Biden docs

(given those same fucknut R's are claiming totally different treatment)
obaminated
Member
Wed Jan 11 15:58:20
Unless you are claiming these stolen and classified documents are being planted, political affliation of the investigators is totally irrelevant.
murder
Member
Wed Jan 11 16:17:39

More classified documents and Joe claims he didn't know? Come on man!

Next he'll accuse Corn Pop of planting those documents to get even for Biden stopping his shenanigans at the local pool.

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Jan 11 17:31:37
"political affliation of the investigators is totally irrelevant"

not in this Trump-polluted era
obaminated
Member
Wed Jan 11 17:46:08
No tw. It is irrelevant unless you are going to argue that these documents were planted. Is that what you are trying to claim?
Rugian
Member
Wed Jan 11 18:00:24
Remember when tw used to claim that Trump was an unspeakable monster for pointing out the political persuasions of the judge presiding over one of his court trials?

Rugian remembers.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Jan 11 18:11:19
and i'm pointing it out now as Trump is an unspeakable monster

see every attack Trump's made on Jack Smith

if the guy investigating Biden in anyway is associated w/ Dems, Trump will be blasting it out

(+ the R House will now spend 2 years trying to claim the DOJ is weaponized against R's for prosecuting the criminals who attacked the Capitol & for investigating crime-boss Trump)
Habebe
Member
Wed Jan 11 18:11:33
"no, he was not being cooperative nor negotiating... they lied in response to a subpoena, that's not negotiating, that's committing an additional crime"

Says who? The FBI? ISIS is more honest than the FBI.

Mind you they are under investigation themselves due to corrupt behaviour.

There is also a strong chance they murdered a sitting POTUS alongside the CIA.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Jan 11 18:18:06
what part could the FBI be lying about?

the subpoena exists, Trump's lawyer certified all docs returned, the FBI learned they were lying & raided & mountains of docs recovered

& Trump confirmed the docs had been & not planted, because it was critically important to him that people know they weren't on the floor, but in cartons (the same type of cartons his people are seen carrying onto a plane to Bedminster thus should also be raided)
Habebe
Member
Wed Jan 11 19:01:33
"the subpoena exists, Trump's lawyer certified all docs returned, the FBI learned they were lying & raided & mountains of docs recovered"

Trumps lawyers said they were cooperating.

You can cooperate and legally agree to not just give up everything yo the cops.

What did Trump supposedly lie about?
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Jan 11 19:29:28
if you are crazily believing all the 100s of docs can be argued to be personal (which is the only way ‘negotiating’ makes sense) then that would involve showing the Archives the docs and making that case, not hiding them and claiming you don’t have any
Sam Adams
Member
Wed Jan 11 20:01:07
Dem establishment leaked this.

Easiest way to force biden to not run.

99.9%
Habebe
Member
Wed Jan 11 20:20:42
Biden has now been caught with a 2nd batch of documents....oh boy oh boy oh boy
Habebe
Member
Wed Jan 11 20:28:33
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna65371

2nd batch of nuclear codes Biden was likely selling to China and an armed gang of child rapists known as the Biden Baby Bangers (totally not embellished)

He is a national security risk, President McCarthy may pardon him.
Forwyn
Member
Wed Jan 11 20:52:05
Reminder that a President has universal, unilateral declassification powers, the VP doesn't.
kargen
Member
Wed Jan 11 21:21:08
I was kind of wondering what Trump lied about also. He didn't claim he had no documents. He said the documents were his and he was going to keep them.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Jan 11 21:50:09
so your position is any president gets to decide what docs they can keep after leaving office & can just dump every file cabinet in the White House into trucks & take it all without any review? (plus any and all classified or otherwise briefing material they are ever shown)

they certified no classified docs remained, yet classified docs remained (100s)... so yeah, a lie

if you believe he in fact did declassify every single one while still in office, despite NONE having any indication & no one knowing about it, w/ him knowing there'd be no evidence so having to resort to claiming he had an absurd standing order to declassify all docs that he ever took to his properties (where he spent 1/4 of his 'presidency') (a standing order that also no one knows about & would be crazy) (a standing order that only got mentioned/invented after facing criminal charges & coincidentally would avoid those criminal mentions)... then you are an extremely gullible fool

(& he's not allowed to just take any de-classified shit he wants anyway, which he had 1,000s of in addition to the classified stuff)
Forwyn
Member
Wed Jan 11 21:53:10
"if you believe he in fact did declassify every single one while still in office"

Is there an evidence that any of the documents were obtained after Jan 20, 2021?

If not, shut the fuck up retard
kargen
Member
Wed Jan 11 23:39:49
"so your position is any president gets to decide what docs they can keep.."

No my position is Trump said they are his. The courts will decide if that is true or not. He didn't say he doesn't have them he said it is okay that he has them.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Jan 12 00:03:05
"Is there an evidence that any of the documents were obtained after Jan 20, 2021?
If not, shut the fuck up retard "

so your belief is he moved the hundreds of classified docs (& 1000's of other gov't docs) to Mar-a-lago while still in office & thus gets to keep them all afterward?


"Trump said they are his. The courts will decide if that is true or not"

agreed, that's how criminal charges work, & he will definitely lose on that idiotic claim


"He didn't say he doesn't have them"

his lawyer did (presumably the lawyer would've consulted him before signing, but i have no doubt he will try to sacrifice her on that crime if he can... though he's still guilty of intentionally keeping them, a different crime)
Habebe
Member
Thu Jan 12 08:56:43
"so your position is any president gets to decide what docs they can keep after leaving office & can just dump every file cabinet in the White House into trucks & take it all without any review? "


See, here is the fundamental problem I think we have. I see many others also think that the classification process should have someone who has authority over a potus.


But that doesn't make sense to me, the entire US classification process was designed FOR the potus, no one else.

The military, the Senate, the speaker of the House. None of them can review and say "you know what, the president can't reclassify ABC"

Because the again, the entire classification process revolves around the president.
obaminated
Member
Thu Jan 12 10:41:47
The second batch of stolen classified documents were in the garage of his Wilmington house next to his corvette. But I'm sure he didn't know they were there. Honestly he is gonna have to resign and use dementia as the reasoning.
Habebe
Member
Thu Jan 12 10:52:56
I would LOVE president Harris.

Get that woman a mic and a camera as much as possible!
Dukhat
Member
Thu Jan 12 10:59:16
That’s because people are purposefully misrepresenting the Trump situation now. It is not that classified documents were found there that is ultimately the issue. That does happen way more than one thinks.

The Trump situation is that it was known to be there and that he ignored a subpoena to turn them over and then lied about it. And then the cherry on top was putting out some false story that they were actually planted there by the FBI.

That is an order of magnitude worse than discovering documents that should have been discarded or returned. It also speaks to intent in harboring such documents. They wanted to hold onto them at all costs
obaminated
Member
Thu Jan 12 11:37:34
I don't think you are allowed to discard highly classified documents, you fucking moron.
murder
Member
Thu Jan 12 11:46:10

Biden probably stole those documents to sell to the Chinese and Ukraine so he could keep his son swimming in hookers and cocaine.

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Jan 12 12:22:03
Biden is getting a special counsel... so being treated identically to Trump... fuck you, all R's claiming otherwise (which they will continue to do)

(if Biden refuses to return & lies about docs for a year, then he can get raided)
obaminated
Member
Thu Jan 12 12:33:03
Biden is gonna be the first president to resign from office in the first term. No way he goes to jail for this. We will never send a potus to prison.
obaminated
Member
Thu Jan 12 13:36:21
So the 2nd cache of stolen classified documents was found on Dec 20th and the DOJ has been told another cache was found today. Haha. Implosion for biden. Maybe hunter will go to jail.
kargen
Member
Thu Jan 12 15:36:23
Now we know this was referred to the DOJ so the white house wouldn't have to answer any questions. Every answer was I can't speak to that because the DOJ...

And their argument is yeah he removed classified documents from a secure location but to his credit he lost them?

That is so much worse than taking them and knowing where they are at all times.

He says he takes classified documents seriously but not so seriously I guess that he can be bothered with where they are and who might look at them.

So some nut kills a few dozen people and buries the bodies in the woods. Years later the bodies are found does the nut get to go free if he says I didn't even remember where the bodies were and I don't know who they were?

Biden thinks so.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Jan 12 15:43:23
not quite the same as murder is a crime

if classified docs taken accidentally, it isn't charged (except for one single case that was later dropped, as Comey noted when explaining Hillary, and no one has disproven)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Jan 12 15:46:33
Biden's lawyer's statement for anyone interested:

http://pbs...AILbyx?format=jpg&name=900x900
kargen
Member
Thu Jan 12 16:19:40
He didn't take them accidently. He lost them accidently. Or so he says. He probably left them out on the curb for the Chinese to stop by and grab and the gardener carried them back into the garage before the Chinese got there.
That is why he was surprised they were still around.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Jan 12 21:55:34
I’ll guess that’s not it... although one guy on CNN noted if any contents of docs are similar to what he put in his book it could be trouble
kargen
Member
Thu Jan 12 22:01:17
I'm pretty sure I am right. Trump had nuclear codes he was selling Russia and Biden had infrastructure vulnerabilities he was giving to China to keep their mouth shut.
Habebe
Member
Thu Jan 12 22:05:54
By summer will we have a president Harris?

obaminated
Member
Thu Jan 12 22:17:07
She will be president until her the Chinese threaten to release her blowing her former bosses, then she will resign and we will have president McCarthy.
murder
Member
Thu Jan 12 23:04:35

Plot twist: Kamala becomes President and nominates Liz Cheney to fill the vacant VP office.

MAGA heads explode!

obaminated
Member
Fri Jan 13 00:17:36
Cause that happen? I don't think there is a precedent for it. I think Johnson didn't have a VP and he was pres for 2 years. I think the speaker becomes defacto next in line and the vp/pres has to wait for the next election to get a vp of his/her choosing.
Habebe
Member
Fri Jan 13 00:25:28
Murder, That sounds awesome , I mean , that seems the best way to make Trump chocolate again.
murder
Member
Fri Jan 13 07:13:36

"Cause that happen?"

Yes ... Gerald Ford

murder
Member
Fri Jan 13 07:16:08

"Section 2. Whenever there is a vacancy in the office of the Vice President, the President shall nominate a Vice President who shall take office upon confirmation by a majority vote of both Houses of Congress." -- Sec 2 of the 25th Amendment of the US Constitution

Habebe
Member
Fri Jan 13 10:34:06
"majority vote of both Houses of Congress."

So, Harris would be flying solo for the remainder of the term.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Jan 14 13:42:52
as foretold by me:

"
How come the Biden “Prosecutor” is a nice guy, very friendly with Democrats and RINOS alike, close to Christopher Wray, & pretty much liked & known by everybody, while my “Prosecutor” is a Radical Left Trump HATING Lunatic, whose wife & family get a perfect “10” for spewing Trump HATE, & whose “friends” are the most evil, angry, & disgusting Marxists & Communists in & around Government? They are GRILLING innocent people in Grand Juries for hours, all to “get Trump.” These are Sick Thugs!
"
~ insane fucknut (who is running for president... and amazingly ridiculously was 'president' once)
Forwyn
Member
Sat Jan 14 15:02:35
"Biden is getting a special counsel... so being treated identically to Trump... fuck you, all R's claiming otherwise"

Reminder that these are not identical "crimes"

The President has unilateral, universal declassification powers, no other person in the world
Habebe
Member
Sat Jan 14 15:25:37
So now they found more documents, this guy just oozing confidential documents allnover apparently.

They gave access to possible nuclear codes to Hunter Biden.

How do we know this? From Joe Biden himself. If we follow the timeline he says that Hunter & Beau fixed up his corvette in his garage AFTER he had recieved and stored those documents.The same garage that he had the nuclear codes in, Shamefull!


Maybe we can now just stop classifying so much shit. Outside of military plans, this shit should largely be public knowledge.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Jan 14 15:29:34
- he didn't declassify
- even if you stupidly believe he did... how can you still not have a problem with it? explain any logic to secretly declassifying with NO ONE else knowing... no one in your own gov't, no one in the next gov't, in what sense are they declassified if NO ONE FUCKING KNOWS?
- AND explain why that lets him just keep whatever shit he wants, declassified or not


why do you people keep bringing up declassifying as if ANY EVIDENCE AT ALL that it happened & as if it would make ANY SENSE at all?

hopefully, the public will get more indication of what's in the docs to show (again) how absurd it would have for him to declassify (even not secretly) & also to have retained the docs... (although since they -ARE- classified, we won't get a lot)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Jan 14 15:32:34
"So now they found more documents"

it's the same document(s)... the lawyer stopped looking through after seeing the first page, til proper people could look through them


yeah, all still bad... chargeable if they show he intentionally kept them or knew he still had them
(though not chargeable at the moment, as 'can't indict a sitting president')
Habebe
Member
Sat Jan 14 15:52:52
"- even if you stupidly believe he did... how can you still not have a problem with it? explain any logic to secretly declassifying with NO ONE else knowing.."

All we have is his word. I think he did have a witness backnhim up. Regardless, he had the authority, what is the big deal?

Apparently Biden has been stashing classified documents all over the place for years and no one in the government knew about it, not a soul apparently.


"why do you people keep bringing up declassifying as if ANY EVIDENCE AT ALL that it happened & as if it would make ANY SENSE at all?"

There is zero evidence that he didn't do it and he had the right to do so.


murder
Member
Sat Jan 14 17:16:36

Joe Biden telling no lies ...

"Everyone knows I take classified documents ..."

obaminated
Member
Sat Jan 14 17:17:04
3rd cache of stolen classified documents found.
Habebe
Member
Sat Jan 14 17:32:09
Murder, "I didn't fuck up eddies couch, I'm a grown man, got her sense than that"

"Yeah, I fucked up his couch,because he could afford to buy another one"
Forwyn
Member
Sat Jan 14 17:56:21
"- he didn't declassify"

He cannot violate classification regulations by virtue of his position.

- even if you stupidly believe he did... how can you still not have a problem with it? explain any logic to secretly declassifying with NO ONE else knowing... no one in your own gov't, no one in the next gov't, in what sense are they declassified if NO ONE FUCKING KNOWS?

If dealing with a retard, it's best to assume anything classified is still classified unless he explicitly says so. Him taking docs to a safe at his resort isn't going to be an issue. He still has an army protecting him.

"- AND explain why that lets him just keep whatever shit he wants, declassified or not"

Because he took them when he had unilateral and universal powers to do so.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Jan 14 18:43:20
"
All we have is his [worthless] word. I think he did have a witness backnhim up [no]. Regardless, he had the authority, what is the big deal?
...
There is zero evidence that he didn't do it and he had the right to do so.
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yes there is evidence he didn't do it... NONE of the process occurred... no record of it, no review of docs, no marking of docs

documents are classified for a reason... there IS in fact a process to declassify. It does NOT MAKE ANY SENSE to declassify with NO ONE KNOWING. Do any changes need made, does anyone need notified w/ this info being declassified?... well, it's certainly not going to happen as NO ONE FUCKING KNOWS it was declassified (as it wasn't)

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"Because he took them when he had unilateral and universal powers to do so. "

& that completely ceases when leaving office... (again you're back to allowing him to move every document in the entire gov't to his home as long as he does it while in office, including his last day, & then keep them forever)
kargen
Member
Sat Jan 14 18:53:55
What cracks me up is some on the left are still claiming Trump had documents with nuclear secrets when those actually do not exist for him to take. If a document at that level is needed it is printed in the room, distributed then collected and destroyed after the meeting. They don't leave the room.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Jan 14 19:03:33
does that really crack you up? the reporting was "nuclear documents"... that's pretty broad

plus your side is running rampant with same wild speculation on Biden docs... w/ Lord Fuckhead himself declaring as fact that China saw the docs
murder
Member
Sat Jan 14 19:40:46

"3rd cache of stolen classified documents found."

Were those the ones they found in the hamper or the ones they found in the cooler?

Habebe
Member
Sat Jan 14 19:44:27
I'm not certain what happened yet. For starters I'm on my 3rd glass of mulled wine (9.7%).

But Ive seen some say it was just 5 more papers and another say they found more documents other than just the 5 papers also at his home in Delaware.
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