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Fri Jan 13 14:14:31
...Should something unfortunate happen to him. I don't actually think this is a "coup next week" type thing, more of a dawning realization that Putin will not live forever.



In the last few weeks, Prigozhin has been seen close to the frontlines in the occupied eastern region of Donetsk, delivering oranges to the troops or grimly reviewing body bags, and engaging with his fighters in unvarnished and sometimes brutal language.

He rarely misses an opportunity to take a swipe at the establishment. Somewhere in Donetsk last week, Prigozhin told his fighters: “Once we conquer our internal bureaucracy and corruption, then we will conquer the Ukrainians and NATO … The problem now is that the bureaucrats and those engaging in corruption won’t listen to us now because for New Year’s they are all drinking champagne.”


After the debacle in Kharkiv in September, when a rapid Ukrainian counteroffensive forced a Russian retreat, Prigozhin said on his Telegram channel that the high command should be forced to fight “barefoot with machine guns on the front line.”


Prigozhin said Friday that it was “exclusively” his troops who have made purported gains around Soledar in recent days. And he added: “Bakhmut is the central point of the Eastern Front and a serious logistics center. And our task is to die there as little as possible, and to destroy the enemy as much as possible.”

In a filmed exchange with his fighters, Prigozhin asked provocatively: “Other than Wagner PMC, who else is here?”

“No one else!” they replied.


“Wagner PMC detachments have taken control of the entire territory of Soledar. The city center is like a cauldron, where urban fighting is taking place,” he said, before adding: “I would like to stress that no units other than Wagner PMC operatives were involved in the storming of Soledar.”


He bid farewell to others [prisoners turned Wagner troops] who had won their pardon [6 months of service in exchange for it]. “They fulfilled their contracts with honor, with dignity,” he said. And then in typically vernacular fashion he told them, “Don’t drink a lot, don’t use drugs, and don’t rape any chicks: either make love or pay for it.”


Russian state media has recently begun to cover Prigozhin’s appearances on the front line. State news agency RIA Novosti carried an exchange in which his men say they are short of vehicles, munitions and armored personnel carriers.

Days later, Prigozhin’s Concord Group alleged in a statement that his Patriot media outlet had been asked to publish a negative article about him, while not disclosing who made the request. Through his press service, Prigozhin suggested that “people in uniform could be discrediting me. Chiefly those close to the military. Because many of them can’t achieve the same effectiveness that Wagner has.”

He also took yet another swipe at Russia’s wealthy elite, saying on the Concord Telegram channel: “The oligarchs’ days are numbered anyhow, because their negative impact on the future of Russia has been clearly demonstrated during the special operation. Some of them are at war, while others are buying up real estate in Europe.”

Prigozhin’s very public campaign, set against the Russian military’s lackluster performance, is not a challenge to Putin himself. Indeed, the Russian leader may find it useful to have someone to snap at the heels of the military establishment. Prigozhin, along with Chechen leader Ramzan Kadyrov, has become Russia’s licensed disruptor.


Trudolyubov tweeted: “Prigozhin is a bogeyman Putin has created to frighten his elites into good behavior. Putin thus advertises his control of both legitimate and criminal violence.”

[that's a different, also reasonable, also quite possible/plausible, framing, of this character]

Fri Jan 13 14:44:12
", more of a dawning realization that Putin will not live forever."


Ive got 10 ruples that says we will see a mecha-Putin.

I wouldn't be surprised to see a Mecha-Trump either.

Robot body, mabey head in a glass jar like Futurama.
Fri Jan 13 17:24:58

It would be a real shame if Putin fell out of a window. :o)

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Fri Jan 13 18:02:58
Nah, he does not have the connections. What he can be is kingmaker if he plays his hand right.
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Fri Jan 13 18:03:35
Trudolyubov tweeted: “Prigozhin is a bogeyman Putin has created to frighten his elites into good behavior. Putin thus advertises his control of both legitimate and criminal violence.”

Fri Jan 13 18:53:19
Prigozhin could always be defenestrated if he starts licking his lips a little too obviously
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