Utopia Talk / Politics / Turkey says no to Sweden

Paramount Member	Mon Jan 23 11:10:06 Lol. I love Erdogan (and the free-speech advocate Rasmus Paludan). I hope both of them can keep Sweden out of NATO. Erdogan to Sweden: Don't expect Turkish support for NATO bid after Stockholm protest ANKARA, Jan 23 (Reuters) - Sweden should not expect Turkey's support for its NATO membership after a protest near the Turkish embassy in Stockholm at the weekend including the burning of a copy of the Koran, President Tayyip Erdogan said on Monday. "Those who allow such blasphemy in front of our embassy (in Stockholm) can no longer expect our support for their NATO membership," Erdogan said in a speech after a cabinet meeting. Protests in Stockholm on Saturday against Turkey and against Sweden's bid to join NATO, during which a copy of the Koran was burned, have heightened tensions with Turkey, whose backing Sweden needs to gain entry to the military alliance. The Koran-burning was carried out by Rasmus Paludan, leader of Danish far-right political party Hard Line. Paludan, who also has Swedish citizenship, has held a number of demonstrations in the past where he has burned the Koran. http://www...-stockholm-protest-2023-01-23/
Paramount Member	Mon Jan 23 11:28:05 And Erdogan has probably not seen the winning entry in Flamman's caricature competition yet. A painting depicting Erdogan eating a Kurd. A paraphrase of Goya's 1823 masterpiece Saturn Devours His Son. It's possible he'll declare war when he sees it.
obaminated Member	Mon Jan 23 11:57:26 As you have been told by many posters, Sweden is less important strategically, militarily and economically than Sweden. If Sweden joined Nato it would be a net negative. So most of us are happy Sweden won't join Nato. And we are thankful for idiot swedes like you who don't realize if Russia or some foreign country were to take a shit on you, no one would be forced to come to your aid. Best case scenario for you is we treat you like Ukraine, give you weapons and let you fight a proxy war for us. But unlike the Ukrainians I am pretty sure Swedish citizens won't put up much of a fight if they got invaded.
Dukhat Member	Mon Jan 23 12:37:27 The EU has rules to ignore Turkey anyways.
Paramount Member	Mon Jan 23 13:48:24 ”As you have been told by many posters” As far as I know, Rugian is the only one who has mentioned it, in a thread recently. And I agreed with him. Turkey is a more important ally than Sweden is. So it would be for the best for everyone if NATO dropped Sweden instead of Turkey. I don’t think Russia has a real interest in invading Sweden anyway. So all is good. If we stay out of NATO we remain free. I don’t want Sweden to become subdued nation of the US empire. Your politicians and your system is corrupt. Some of them are nutcases also. And we shouldn’t have to fight your idiotic wars. Fight them yourself. Stop using proxys like a coward.
Paramount Member	Mon Jan 23 14:04:05 Lol. First we hang a Erdogan-doll upside down from a lighpole, then we burn a Koran outside of the Turkish embassy, and finally we paint Erdogan as a Kurd-eating monster. LOL I love it. It’s like we bitch-slapped Erdogan three times. If Erdogan lets Sweden join NATO now he will humiliate himself, his country and his religion. I say "we" but I or most Swedes had nothing to do with it. This was all done by separate individuals from the Left to the Right of the policial spectrum.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Mon Jan 23 14:45:56 Why are people pretending like there was this choice between Turkiye and Sweden? You can’t kick NATO members out of the alliance! Otherwise you would have kicked Turkey out a long time ago.
Paramount Member	Mon Jan 23 15:15:18 The thing is that the US needs Turkey more than Turkey needs the US. So the US does not want to kick out Turkey. US imperialism is very dependent on having access to subdued nations.
Rugian Member	Mon Jan 23 15:17:02 Paramount To my knowledge, the US has never found itself in a position where it feels compelled to assassinate the leader of Turkey. Contra Sweden...
Paramount Member	Mon Jan 23 15:21:50 The US probably supported the coup attempt in Turkey in 2016.
Paramount Member	Mon Jan 23 16:18:55 There is election in Turkey soon. In May, I think. The US is probably doing what it can to make sure that Erdogan lose. I’m not saying that the US will interfere in the election – the US would never do that, because they believe in and respect the principle that countries have the right to choose their own leaders. But other than that, they will do everything they can.
murder Member	Tue Jan 24 13:31:19 "The thing is that the US needs Turkey ..." For Thanksgiving? WTF do we need Turkey for? Last time we needed them they told us to fuck off and sided with Saddam Hussein. Fuck Erdogan and fuck Turkey.
obaminated Member	Tue Jan 24 14:01:14 Murder is correct. We don't need turkey. But we would rather have turkey on our side/neutral than have to bomb them.
LazyCommunist Member	Wed Jan 25 09:31:04 This is a lie, we didn't do nothing wrong! http://www...id-for-quran-burning-in-sweden Swedish media suggest that Moscow was behind the protest aiming to sabotage Sweden's NATO membership bid Swedish journalist Chang Frick, affiliated with Russian propagandist channel RT, paid for Danish far-right activist Rasmus Paludan to publicly burn the Quran near the Turkish embassy in Sweden. The protest that took place on Saturday caused backlash in Turkey and led to President Recep Tayyip Erdogan saying that Sweden shouldn’t expect Ankara’s support for its NATO membership bid. Swedish media suggest that Moscow was behind the Quran burning, using Frick, who has worked as a freelancer for RT and its subsidiary Ruptly. The timing of the event is particularly significant as it came shortly before the planned visit of Sweden's Defense Minister Pal Jonson to Turkey, which was canceled after the protest was announced. Russian Foreign Ministry spokesperson Maria Zakharova has previously said that if Sweden and Finland join NATO it could lead to “negative implications” for peace in Europe. The Nordic countries applied for the membership in the U.S.-led alliance amid the Russian invasion of Ukraine and were negotiating with Ankara for months to secure its approval. Swedish media learned that while Paludan, who also holds Swedish citizenship, traveled to Stockholm specifically for the protest, his application fee for the demonstration permit was paid by Frick. Paludan confirmed to the media that the idea to burn the Quran was proposed to him by Frick. He also guaranteed that any damage that Paludan could sustain as a result of this protest will be covered. Frick, who is known for his pro-Russian position, is an owner of the news site Nyheter idag and presenter of the SD channel Riks, which is financed by the Sweden Democrats party. Henrik Vinge, deputy party leader, told local media that Sweden Democrats were not involved in Paludan’s actions. Frick, who denies having any ties with RT since 2014, confirmed paying for Paludan but claimed he did not believe that the protest had jeopardized Sweden’s NATO application. “If I, by paying 320 kroner in an administrative fee to the police, sabotaged the application, it was probably on very shaky ground from the beginning,” he told Swedish media. He added that he did it "to support freedom of speech" and aimed against Turkey. "In this particular case, I support this kind of activity when it comes to Turkey and Erdogan," he said. Latest reports said that Frick also paid for Paludan’s plane ticket to Sweden, but both Paludan and Frick deny it.
Paramount Member	Wed Jan 25 10:05:10 ”Danish far-right activist Rasmus Paludan” Some says he is a free speech advocate/activist. ”Frick, who has worked as a freelancer for RT” He has also worked with SVT, the Swedish Public Service television broadcaster.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Wed Jan 25 12:06:56 It is quite amazing the same people within days, condemn the Erdogan doll, but support the Quran burning in the name of free speech and of course the vice versa people. People have no principle, we are surrounded by “realpolitik” opportunist, or tribal NPCs.
Forwyn Member	Wed Jan 25 14:59:33 It's too bad that pilot got fooled during the coup attempt. Bro had Erdogan's plane in his crosshairs.
Paramount Member	Fri Jan 27 06:17:30 Rasmus Paludan is going to burn another Koran today, in Denmark. Rasmus Palidan says to swedish paper Aftonbladet: ”- I will burn a Koran in front of the Turkish embassy in Copenhagen every Friday until Sweden is admitted to NATO”
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Fri Jan 27 06:46:06 We live in a circus.
murder Member	Fri Jan 27 17:18:14 Turkey can't keep Sweden out of NATO. Only NATO can do that. If the need for unanimity becomes a problem, they can always change the rule or tell Turkey to hit the bricks.
Sam Adams Member	Fri Jan 27 17:44:46 ”- I will burn a Koran in front of the Turkish embassy in Copenhagen every Friday until Sweden is admitted to NATO" Rofl
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