Utopia Talk / Politics / ukraine strikes back

obaminated Member	Mon Feb 13 17:26:15 Sorry if there is an active Russian Ukraine war thread http://www...n-destroyed-brutal-battle.html
Pillz Member	Mon Feb 13 18:06:00 Funny how Ukraine can't provide any evidence or even believable details
Habebe Member	Mon Feb 13 18:15:04 Yeah, I don't trust either sides stories without reasonable evidence . Remember how Russia was running outnof supplies? What happened tobthat story? They seem to still be supplied well enough to keep fighting no problem. I get that war claims will be hazy, but all the more reason to be skeptical.
earthpig GTFO HOer	Mon Feb 13 18:47:59 The Daily Fail. Who knows what actually happened, if anything.
Sam Adams Member	Mon Feb 13 18:51:24 "Funny how Ukraine can't provide any evidence or even believable deta" Coming from pillz lol.
Sam Adams Member	Mon Feb 13 18:55:15 "Who knows what actually happened, if anything." Something happened. Some sort of russian attack got stopped with heavy losses. Russias own propaganda accounts have been bitching about it. Unknown how big... probably at least a batallion(an undersized russian one) to generate the response it did but beyond that i see no reliable reports.
Y2A Member	Mon Feb 13 21:59:25 "Coming from pillz lol." lol
obaminated Member	Tue Feb 14 00:06:46 Clearly Russia had a significant loss of life. Probably not as high as Ukraine claims but definitely a military loss. To assume Ukraine just makes up victories is fucking stupid... which is why pillz "we will be home by christmas" believes that.
TheChildren Member	Tue Feb 14 01:16:26 "Yeah, I don't trust either sides stories without reasonable evidence . Remember how Russia was running outnof supplies? What happened tobthat story? They seem to still be supplied well enough to keep fighting no problem. I get that war claims will be hazy, but all the more reason to be skeptical. " >> there aint no "Stories" just propaganda from ur fakenews media. ur fakenewsmedia has claimed russia lost half a million troopz alrdy. and how russian economy is collapsin any time now. how they cant even make fries and coca cola and how da ghost of kiev is personally bodyguardin west ukraine.
Dukhat Member	Tue Feb 14 07:44:55 The problem right now is Ukraine can win these battles but it's taking heavy losses stopping those mercenaries and other groups. The tools we gave them are great for targeted strikes, but not for mitigating casualties or offensive operations.
Pillz Member	Tue Feb 14 09:47:59 1.5k AFU troops now contained in a settlement just north of Bakhmut. Only 1 road remains out of the city that isn't physically held by Russia. AFU commander apparently preparing to surrender the city of Bakhmut
Sam Adams Member	Tue Feb 14 10:12:04 Pillz Member Mon Feb 13 18:06:00 Funny how Ukraine can't provide any evidence or even believable details
Pillz Member	Tue Feb 14 11:12:54 http://t.me/intelslava/44476 https://t.me/intelslava/44477 The surrender the city bit is probably false, but more believable than 5k dead marines in a single operation.
murder Member	Tue Feb 14 11:52:17 "The problem right now is Ukraine can win these battles but it's taking heavy losses stopping those mercenaries and other groups. The tools we gave them are great for targeted strikes, but not for mitigating casualties or offensive operations." That's exactly how the west wants it. But don't worry, the 60 modern tanks we're sending will be arriving in 6 months or so. ;o)
Habebe Member	Tue Feb 14 12:19:25 What seems annoying are these people who get offended when you don't trust Ukrainian sources. Any reasonable person can see the Ukrainians post pure propaganda. They even publicly lied claiming Russia sent missiles into Poland for the sole purpose of instigating a larger war. In reality, thr Ukrainians literally shot missiles into Poland and attempted to blame Russia for it. They never apologized. The first casualty of war is the truth, that is the case for all sides. Russia also pumps out lies and propaganda. The Russians do have a knack for truthful propaganda as well though.By that I mean, they will take something that is true and somehow supports their cause and they will amplify that message usually to sow division. And again, wasn't Russia running out of military supplies last summer?
murder Member	Tue Feb 14 14:53:04 Yes, that's why they've been buying Iranian and North Korean shit. I imagine China's too.
Sam Adams Member	Tue Feb 14 17:05:34 Russian artillery use is also down by about 80%... though that could also be due to running out of vehicles or men or fear of counterbattery fire.
Sam Adams Member	Tue Feb 14 17:06:48 Losing your mind must suck.
Sam Adams Member	Tue Feb 14 17:07:24 Lol that was for the Feinstein thread
Pillz Member	Tue Feb 14 17:23:12 Russian artillery usage is down but the ratio went from 3:1 to 19:1 Sam.
Pillz Member	Tue Feb 14 17:24:10 Because Ukraine is now launching like 16k shells/week now as opposed to a high of 7k per day
Sam Adams Member	Tue Feb 14 19:17:36 Pillz Member Mon Feb 13 18:06:00 Funny how Ukraine can't provide any evidence or even believable details
Pillz Member	Wed Feb 15 00:17:54 Figure for AFU artillery usage is taken from December EU report or something. Current reports are 5-6k by AFU per day and 20k by Russia. Sky News, today or yesterday. Still up to 4:1... Presumably Ukrainian artillery (long range in particular) and air defense are going to see relatively immediate resupply and upgrade in advance of Russia's offensive. Bradley's will probably be deployed as well since they have arrived in Europe.
Pillz Member	Wed Feb 15 00:23:07 "At times, Russia has been firing a staggering 20,000 artillery shells a day. Ukraine has been letting loose an average of 5,000 to 6,000 a day." By Dominic Waghorn, International Affairs Editor @DominicWaghorn Tuesday 14 February 2023 21:57, UK http://new...n-race-against-russia-12811028 My mistake. That's an average. So last up to date number for Ukraine was "The increasing pace and depth of conscription intakes (Literally old men and cripples now) combined with the collapsing situation on the front lends credence to all the reports since December of just how bad casualty rates have become for the AFU. This shouldn’t be a surprise though for those who have being keeping a keen eye on the situation. It was recently reported in the Wall Street Journal that the AFU now fires just 40,000 shells a month. This is a stunning admission because the rate was previously 5,000-6,000 shells a day, or 150,000 a month; they changed the metric to attempt to hide this fact. The RuF meanwhile has stayed consistent at around 20,000 shells a day since late Summer. This means the Russian firepower advantage has increased from around 3:1 to an almost 19:1 rate. Add in the mobilization resolving manpower difficulties, and it’s clear why Russian successes have been developing in quick succession lately." And wsj link would be https://www.wsj.com/articles/europe-is-rushing-arms-to-ukraine-but-running-out-of-ammo-11671707775
jergul large member	Wed Feb 15 01:11:09 That is one of the problems with Ukrainian reluctance to publish casualty rates (and western press reluctance to do internet scrubs to get an idea of how many obituaries etc have been published). The inferred number of Ukrainian dead. 135k Russian dead. 80% caused by arty = 118k dead caused by arty. 4 times the amount of Russian arty with 80% Ukrainian casualties to arty = About 550k Ukrainian dead so far in total Or a ratio of about 3.5 dead Ukrainians per dead Russian.
jergul large member	Wed Feb 15 01:13:57 It matters in sense that Ukraine is adding about 50k Ukrainian 18 year old males fit for service per year. We better hope the number of Russian dead so far in about a year is total bullshit. Otherwise, Ukraine has already reached peak enlisted. The manpower in service will continue to fall from now on.
Habebe Member	Wed Feb 15 02:15:03 "Yes, that's why they've been buying Iranian and North Korean shit. I imagine China's too." Iranians can make decent drones quick, probably better than Russia. NK has an insane abundance of military equipment and needs oil. What exactly is Russia running put of it that they require? Pills, "This means the Russian firepower advantage has increased from around 3:1 to an almost 19:1 rate. Add in the mobilization resolving manpower difficulties, and it’s clear why Russian successes have been developing in quick succession latelyv" Ukrainian supplies need to tale into account their benefactors supplies that they are reasonably willing to send. I mean, we spend literally 100s of Billions a year (130ish?) And that's just the US. Jergul, That assumes each shell is roughly as accurate. The Ukrainians may have an edge on accuracy with Starlink. Also, Ukrainians of all walks of life are dying.Russians is almost exclusively soldiers. However, Ukrainians probably easier to hit too, you can spray and pray a city and hit plenty of people, Russians are going to be more clustered at strategic locations. The Ukrainians/EU have held out the winter much better than anticipated. That seems like bad news for Russia. But WTF do I know? I havnt really followed this in months.
murder Member	Wed Feb 15 08:51:54 "What exactly is Russia running put of it that they require?" Obviously what they are buying. "The Ukrainians may have an edge on accuracy with Starlink." Or you know ... GPS. I think Elon invented that too.
Sam Adams Member	Wed Feb 15 09:34:16 "At times, Russia has been firing a staggering 20,000 artillery shells a day. Ukraine has been letting loose an average of 5,000 to 6,000 a day." So nowhere near that retarded 19:1 number you claimed.
Sam Adams Member	Wed Feb 15 09:38:51 Lol jergulmath
TheChildren Member	Wed Feb 15 10:51:33 lookz like da ammoz is runnin out... ___________________ "But now the US is informing the Ukrainians that it doesn't have enough of these long range missiles even if it were willing to provide them. Citing four US officials, Politico writes that "Transferring ATACMS to the battlefield in eastern Europe would dwindle America’s stockpiles and harm the U.S. military’s readiness for a future fight, the people said."
Paramount Member	Wed Feb 15 11:11:36 ”At times, Russia has been firing a staggering 20,000 artillery shells a day” 60,000
Paramount Member	Wed Feb 15 11:28:54 * Capable of firing 60,000 a day
Habebe Member	Wed Feb 15 13:51:39 Murder encapsulated in a sentence. He thinks GPS is able to do the work of starlink....
Habebe Member	Wed Feb 15 14:09:02 Plus, right now, it's a zero day sort of exploit. It's the best rationale for continuing the war TBH, we have an ace in the hole. It's why China is so terrified of it. 1. We can turn internet off and on at will. We forced Internet to stay on in Iran. 2. Special nose cones in fighter jets are being made to link them with 700mb constant data. 3. You can supply internet ton places that are no where near a typical internet connection at speeds that are actual able to do something. 4. Near impossible to take down, it's akin to the swarm tactic with cheap boats or drones, strength in numbers and they are everywhere. 5.Far more precise and accurate precision attacks and more data, like facial recognition.
murder Member	Wed Feb 15 15:42:54 "Murder encapsulated in a sentence. He thinks GPS is able to do the work of starlink.... " No ... GPS is what tells shit and idiots how to get where they need to go. Starlink is just expensive internet.
murder Member	Wed Feb 15 15:45:45 "1. We can turn internet off and on at will. We forced Internet to stay on in Iran." No we can't, and no we did not.
Sam Adams Member	Fri Feb 17 22:23:42 http://pbs...IAAiq2H?format=jpg&name=medium Russian armored company all dead in one spot.
jergul large member	Fri Feb 17 23:53:54 Mostly abandoned vehicles caught in a minefield (ukraine dropped a bunch of cluster bomb anti tank minelets to shut down a cleared narrow strip in a larger minefield). No need for hype really. Most of the crew just walked out.
Pillz Member	Sat Feb 18 14:10:19 Sam can't problem solve and gobbles media dick like like murder's mom behind a gas station
Sam Adams Member	Sat Feb 18 15:25:36 Common pillz you can do better than that. The russian war effort depends on your internet trolling! Anothere few mod posts copied and pasted and youll take kiev yet. Jergul its funny that vehicle 12 thought it could get through the mines where the first 11 failed. This time will do it! Lol.
Pillz Member	Sat Feb 18 15:57:30 Sam again demonstrates he can't read
jergul large member	Sat Feb 18 15:57:58 Sammy Well, the alternative was to just leave the vehicle there instead of extracting it, so why not give it a go, then bail if the track gets blown off, instead of preemptively bailing? My big concern with Ukraine is how nobody has explained to me what happens if Russia blows the bridges across the Dnepr. No end to pudits that have opinions on the Kerch bridge and how devestating that would be for Russia... ...I sense a collective failure of imagination :).
Sam Adams Member	Sun Feb 19 00:16:09 "so why not give it a go" Lol russians. It didnt work the first 11 times but attempt 12 will get her done for sure. Rofl.
jergul large member	Sun Feb 19 01:08:01 Sammy Dyslexia is fine, but dont make it too obvious. Mine clearers made a way too narrow path through minefield because of misfired old munitions. Tanks moved up anyway. Ukrainians dropped cluster anti tank minelets behind them blocking retreat. Picture you are looking at is where Russians bailed from vehicles trying to pull back. The vehicles cluster up because emerging tactics show that clustering fucks up atgm targetting. Crew mades it back pretty much intact. The rest is just metal. A platoon btw. Not a company as you said in title. What point is there to hype? Russia has enough objective trouble.
murder Member	Sun Feb 19 07:13:49 US formally accuses Russia of crimes against humanity in Ukraine MUNICH — The United States has determined that Russia is committing crimes against humanity in Ukraine, Vice President Kamala Harris announced Saturday, the latest salvo in the West’s effort to hold Moscow accountable for its wartime atrocities. In a marquee address at the Munich Security Conference, Harris detailed that Russia is responsible for a “widespread and systematic attack” against Ukraine’s civilian population, citing evidence of execution-style killings, rape, torture and forceful deportations — sometimes perpetrated against children. As a result, Russia has not only committed war crimes, as the administration formally concluded in March, but also illegal acts against non-combatants. “Their actions are an assault on our common values, an attack on our common humanity,” the vice president said, referencing images of bodies lying in the streets of Bucha and the sexual assault of a four-year-old girl by a Russian soldier. “Barbaric and inhumane.” Harris then declared: “The United States has formally determined that Russia has committed crimes against humanity.” The Biden administration will continue to assist Ukraine in its investigation into these alleged crimes, she said, vowing that the perpetrators and “their superiors” will be “held to account.” She added: “Let us all agree: on behalf of all the victims, both known and unknown: justice must be served.” The declaration is among the most forceful yet from a Western power as allies grapple with how to punish Russians responsible for violations. And it escalates the judicial side of America’s support for Ukraine, which has long said Russia was guilty of these crimes and that Russian President Vladimir Putin was ultimately responsible. Harris didn’t cite Putin by name, but the clear implication is that the invasion he launched nearly a year ago is why Ukrainian civilians are now victims of these international law violations. While “crimes against humanity” are not officially codified in an international treaty, they are still adjudicated in the International Criminal Court and other global bodies. The Biden administration’s determination means the U.S. believes Russian actions have met a broader standard than war crimes but not as specific a violation as genocide. “In contrast with genocide, crimes against humanity do not need to target a specific group,” according to the United Nations. “Instead, the victim of the attack can be any civilian population, regardless of its affiliation or identity. Another important distinction is that in the case of crimes against humanity, it is not necessary to prove that there is an overall specific intent.” Some, however, would like the Biden administration to go further. Back in the United States, both of West Virginia’s senators, Democrat Joe Manchin and Republican Shelley Moore Capito, introduced a resolution to recognize Russia’s war on Ukraine as a genocide. Others like Tom Malinowski, a former member of Congress and senior human rights official at the State Department, believe “these debates about what to call Russia’s atrocities are less important than providing Ukraine the means to stop them.” “But yes, there’s no question that Russia is committing crimes against humanity,” he continued, “and we’re right to say so.” On Friday, shortly after Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy spoke via video to the gathering of officials and experts here, Andriy Yermak, the chief of Ukraine’s presidential office, said his country wouldn’t feel safe until Russia’s leadership was punished. “The fastest and easiest way to build the security of Ukraine and the whole world is to create a special tribunal to try the Russian leadership for the crime of aggression. Europe and the entire civilized world understand why it is necessary,” he said at the opening of the “Ukraine is You” exhibit. Last November, human rights organization Amnesty International said Russia was “likely” committing crimes against humanity, citing instances of the forceful transfer and deportation of people from Ukraine. http://www...umanity-ukraine-kamala-harris/ Well yeah ... they are kidnapping and trafficking children.
Pillz Member	Sun Feb 19 10:21:06 Lol
Rugian Member	Sun Feb 19 10:31:04 "The war with Ukraine will be over unless the EU finds a way in weeks to speed up the provision of ammunition to Ukraine, Josep Borrell, the EU foreign affairs chief, warned on the final day of the Munich security conference. He said a special meeting of EU defence ministers slated for 8-9 March will provide a chance for countries to offer ammunition from their existing stocks, adding it is taking up to 10 months for European armies to order and receive a single bullet. “We are in urgent war mode,” he said. “This shortage of ammunition has to be solved quickly; it is a matter of weeks.” He said if it was not the war would be over." http://www...tary-support-says-top-diplomat
Paramount Member	Sun Feb 19 11:28:14 ”The war with Ukraine will be over unless the EU finds a way in weeks to speed up the provision of ammunition to Ukraine,” Josep Borrell warned. So they don’t want the war to end?
Paramount Member	Sun Feb 19 12:06:09 Not only has Ukraine run out of ammo. They have also run out of guns, so they have to fight with imaginary weapons: http://twi...?s=61&t=avNKFJ9dCZngtrEikOc3NQ
murder Member	Sun Feb 19 12:10:14 Pretty amazing watching a bunch of countries pretend that they can't manufacture bullets and artillery shells.
Paramount Member	Sun Feb 19 12:45:24 How many trillions of dollars has Ukraine received from the US? And yet, both Nato and the EU is telling us that Ukraine has no ammo? While the US and the UK has told us that Russia has no ammo. Who should we believe?
Pillz Member	Sun Feb 19 16:18:38 Lol
Pillz Member	Sun Feb 19 21:53:38 The 155th marine brigade that was wiped out is still fighting. Imagine that
Sam Adams Member	Mon Feb 20 00:12:21 "The vehicles cluster up because emerging tactics show that clustering fucks up atgm targetting." Rofl "A platoon btw. Not a company as you said in title." Rofl
jergul large member	Mon Feb 20 00:32:36 Sammy Second rofl is entirely correct. Nice catch.
Pillz Member	Mon Feb 20 00:47:46 Of 320 tanked Germany wished for Ukraine to receive, they will get 50. Defense ministers must now discuss sending all existing stock to Ukraine and replenishing with orders already placed. Russia has in the past 8 years produced enough ammunition to fight for roughly 16 months. And we know a lot of what they're using is old stockpiles so far. Russian production currently outstrips western production by like 200:1 in artillery shells. Lol
Seb Member	Mon Feb 20 06:24:51 murder: "Pretty amazing watching a bunch of countries pretend that they can't manufacture bullets and artillery shells." Batch production *sigh* - The longer people fiddle around avoiding the need to invest in setting up production lines and the necessary orders for them, the worse the problem will be.
Sam Adams Member	Mon Feb 20 09:22:49 Pillz Member Mon Feb 13 18:06:00 Funny how Ukraine can't provide any evidence or even believable details Pillz Member Mon Feb 20 00:47:46 Russian production currently outstrips western production by like 200:1 in artillery shells. Hmmmmmm
Sam Adams Member	Mon Feb 20 09:50:14 Biden went to kiev. Putin hides in a bunker. Even biden has more balls than putin. Lol.
LazyCommunist Member	Mon Feb 20 10:11:39 So Wagner PMC has run out of ammo. Prigozhin (founder of Wagner PMC) needs to apologise and obey, or he will get no more ammo and all his prisoner soldiers will die on the battlefield. He must understand that Putin is the President and he has to follow orders, simple as that. While it was convenient to use Wagner meat to weaken the enemy, the Russian military can defeat Ukraine alone if necessary. http://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1627623132528779264
Rugian Member	Mon Feb 20 10:12:36 To be fair, Biden probably has no idea where he is half the time.
LazyCommunist Member	Mon Feb 20 10:32:07 OK not bad, not bad. But tomorrow Biden will be gone again and Russia will keep on winning. We advanced another 10 feet yesterday. Day by day, as long as it takes.
jergul large member	Mon Feb 20 13:15:15 "She also acknowledged that Russia was notified of Biden's arrival in Ukraine, saying that a notification to the Russians was sent "several hours before the president left, primarily for deconfliction purposes" The calculation seems to be the trip was not dangerous as Russia has no interest in killing Biden.
jergul large member	Mon Feb 20 13:15:30 CNN.
Sam Adams Member	Mon Feb 20 13:36:04 The calculation is actually that russia has no interest in getting killed tonight. Attacking biden is war. Not only that the attack would fail, and then russia would be both embarassed and dead.
murder Member	Mon Feb 20 13:41:43 "Batch production *sigh* - The longer people fiddle around avoiding the need to invest in setting up production lines and the necessary orders for them, the worse the problem will be." Yeah, like I said. They all should have known that this war would drag on beyond their ability to supply Ukraine from their stocks since they are all working to make sure that Ukraine can't drive the Russians out quickly.
jergul large member	Mon Feb 20 14:00:56 Sammy I was pointing to the US calculation. They did talk with Russia and Russia says it signed off on the trip. So why was Biden brave if he was untouchable? Murder And that is ultimately what it will boild down to. A stab in the back theory by an embittered, traumatized and heavily armed Ukrainian population. Ukraine is long past peak strength. Trickling in re-enforcements may partially replace losses, but that is along an ever degrading sine curve.
Sam Adams Member	Mon Feb 20 16:14:16 "So why was Biden brave if he was untouchable?" I dont think it is particularly brave. This obviously isnt nelson walking the quarterdeck or armistead leading picketts charge waving his swordhat. But braver than putin constantly hiding.
murder Member	Mon Feb 20 16:20:41 "And that is ultimately what it will boild down to. A stab in the back theory by an embittered, traumatized and heavily armed Ukrainian population." It's hardly a theory. Biden declared from the start that the main objective was to make sure the fighting didn't spill out of Ukraine. Not Ukraine and Russia, just Ukraine.
LazyCommunist Member	Tue Feb 21 13:04:03 OK Prigozhin of Wagner PMC is freaking out, totally mad now: http://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1627970502173028353 But Western media again takes this out of context: http://www.reuters.com/world/europe/wagners-prigozhin-accuses-russian-top-brass-treason-2023-02-21/ ------------ His voice rising to a shout, Prigozhin accused the military top brass of deciding that "people should die when it's convenient for them", and said that Wagner fighters were "dropping like flies" in the absence of necessary supplies. ------------ Get it in your head: his fighters are only prisoners and foreign mercenaries! Russia will be a BETTER land when all of these people die. Americans: how much money do you spend for your prisons each year? Must be an enormous sum. Just think of the possibility that you could get rid of 50% of your prisoners in short time for a fraction of the money, you would make the deal, NO DOUBT!
Seb Member	Fri Feb 24 04:25:28 http://www...aine-war-oral-history-00083757
Pillz Member	Fri Feb 24 04:37:10 Yes ok let's discuss oral histories lol http://unh...vive-russias-spring-offensive/ “The most difficult part for my guys was that they could not really understand our role: that we had to sit there like sitting ducks and facing all that shelling. The Russians know where we are and what we are doing.” "Now that Sergei is second-in-command, his biggest job is to keep up morale. “This is the most important job there is — I can’t go home and let someone else do it. So many of the people who were willing to participate are dead now. Our guys are tired. They want to fight until March and then bring in new guys to replace the ranks. And I have to explain to them about how we brought half a million to the Territorial Defence, and trained them up. How could we do the same with another half a million new recruits, and give them weapons, and train them? I must help them be realistic and prepare for the long run.” " Lol
murder Member	Fri Feb 24 07:12:10 "A first-ever oral history of how Washington insiders saw the warning signs of a European land war, their frantic attempts to stop it ..." What a load of bull. If we wanted to stop it, it would have been stopped. We have more than enough forces in Europe to have stopped this invasion or the previous one. We have more than enough air power nearby and air power can move pretty dam quickly. There are simply people in charge that are willing to sacrifice eastern Europe to avoid "OMG WWIII!!!!".
jergul large member	Fri Feb 24 13:15:38 A pretty easy war to stop in the short term frankly: US (or any Nato country): Uhm, Ukraine will not qualify for nato membership in the short or medium term and we will not make standards exceptions for any future nato application. Ukraine: Uhm, ok. We can pass some legislation enshrining Russian language and culture protection.
jergul large member	Fri Feb 24 13:19:30 stop war from happening*
Sam Adams Member	Fri Feb 24 13:30:07 "Just cave into the demands of our dictator and we will stop the violence for a short period of time until we want to steal something else"
murder Member	Fri Feb 24 16:54:39 "A pretty easy war to stop in the short term frankly:" Yes. NATO is conducting joint military exercises with Ukraine beginning today and lasting until we decide otherwise. The end.
jergul large member	Sat Feb 25 02:21:15 Murder Because you acted so maturely when Russia tried to establish shit on Cuba? Sammy More a question of acknowledging Russian security concerns in general and more specifically to Russians living in Ukraine. The internal arrangements Russia may have in electing its government and heads of state are irrelevant frankly. Important to remember, lest we become less than impressed by your two party system pretending to be a democracy. The bolsheviks and mensheviks had more flexibility frankly. You should know. You go batshit every time an American is threatened anywhere. Why would you imagine Russia is different? Though ultimately, this is mostly about border adjustments in the post USSR/Russian Empire space. It has actually gone quite smoothly. How many square km2 are Russia and Ukraine actually fighting over? The second most corrupt nation in Europe under martial law. Explain to me please why that is a beacon of democracy. Not that Russia is in the right here. But the war was avoidable by simple means. The West and Ukraine overplayed their hand. So now we have war. A war where Canada just showecased its unity with Ukraine and the 4 tanks and 5000 rounds of arty shells it has decided to send. Or about 36 hrs of supplies. Good job. If the job is watching Russia demilitarize Nato.
jergul large member	Sat Feb 25 02:21:48 (I am in Canada right now. Hence highlighting that nation).
murder Member	Sat Feb 25 10:52:27 "Because you acted so maturely when Russia tried to establish shit on Cuba?" Last I checked Cuba is an independent nation with strong anti-American policies all these decades later. Clearly Russia's borders need to be redrawn further east for the security of eastern Europe.
jergul large member	Sat Feb 25 12:52:08 Murder Not for lack of trying. You are still sitting on Gitmo btw. My point really was that the war could have easily been avoided over the short and medium term. Now there is a war without an exit strategy. Not that the defensive plan lacks meaning. Heavy fighting is taking place in areas Russia plans to hold and plans to rebuild. The timeline for reconstruction in Mariupol is until 2035. Goodness knows how long it will take to rebuild bakmut if Russia is going to do it.
murder Member	Sat Feb 25 19:20:11 "Not for lack of trying." Absolutely for lack of trying. Cuba could be conquered over a weekend. It would be easier than Panama.
murder Member	Sat Feb 25 19:22:08 "My point really was that the war could have easily been avoided over the short and medium term. Now there is a war without an exit strategy." It could have been avoided by Russia staying inside it's borders. But that was never going to happen. Russia isn't in Moldova to keep NATO out.
jergul large member	Sat Feb 25 21:21:05 Murder Yes, that is another way war could be avoided. War could also have been avoided in the short and medium term by Ukraine and Nato. Russia has peacekeepers in Moldova to protect ethnic Russians. Remind me again how apeshit you go anytime someone touches an American citizen. You have all the pieces to understand why Russia is doing what it does because it is doing what you have done. I am not condoning it. I am just stating the obvious.
Pillz Member	Sun Feb 26 12:14:41 A Ukrainian territorial defense soldier was killed in a shootout on the Belarusian border. The same night an explosion(s) were reported in Minsk. Telegram/Twitter etc pro Russian analysts say its possible it was a Ukrainian drone strike. Looks like Ukraine is about to have a tough time.
Sam Adams Member	Wed Mar 01 15:12:09 Sounds like bakhmut will finally fall shortly. After claiming this each day for the last 80, watch russian trolls pretend they were right.
Pillz Member	Thu Mar 02 08:11:41 Ukrainian team attacked a bus of children in Russia, planted a bunch of explosives in the village. Putin just called if an act of terrorism on TV. Could be fun. AFU soldiers claim upwards of 2 companies a day wiped in Bakhmut. And AFU announced civilian evacuation of Kupyansk.
LazyCommunist Member	Thu Mar 02 10:55:14 Pillz it's even worse, them were Russian traitors! http://twi...ict/status/1631239508292190209
murder Member	Thu Mar 02 11:37:36 "Ukrainian team attacked a bus of children in Russia, planted a bunch of explosives in the village." *chuckle*
Paramount Member	Thu Mar 02 13:36:21 American guy had to become a nazi and do the Hitler salute to maintain his cover in Ukraine: http://twi...?s=61&t=C7YI8upxCqhyhPMRv9y0zg
murder Member	Thu Mar 02 13:42:16 You need a cover to be an American in Ukraine?
Paramount Member	Thu Mar 02 13:44:50 He is an anti-fascist. He got to Ukraine in order to infiltrate the Nazis, gather intelligence and then defect to Russia.
murder Member	Thu Mar 02 14:49:57 So no agenda there.
jergul large member	Tue Mar 07 01:35:52 China: "“Why does the US ask China not to provide weapons to Russia while it keeps selling arms to Taiwan?” Foreign Minister Qin Gang asked during a news conference." CNN. Now that is an interesting way to link issues.
Paramount Member	Tue Mar 07 01:55:08 Now that is a good question.
murder Member	Tue Mar 07 05:34:41 Last I checked Taiwan hasn't invaded China.
jergul large member	Tue Mar 07 06:14:01 Murder How could it invade China? Taiwan is part of China, or China is part of Taiwan. Depending on your perspective. "Both the ROC and the PRC still officially (constitutionally) claim mainland China"
Paramount Member	Tue Mar 07 10:37:01 Elite Afghan commandos the United States spent billions of dollars training and arming are now fighting alongside Russians in Ukraine reports the New York Times. Blocked from escaping to the United States and unwanted by the Taliban administration, many of these well-armed, highly-trained fighters have found a new employer: private Russian military firm Wagner Group. http://twi...?s=61&t=C7YI8upxCqhyhPMRv9y0zg
murder Member	Tue Mar 07 11:27:54 "Elite Afghan commandos the United States spent billions of dollars training and arming are now fighting alongside Russians in Ukraine reports the New York Times." I love stories like this because they rely on people not questioning the bullshit they are being fed. They expect you to believe that men who wouldn't fight to defend their own country have decided to travel thousands of miles to a completely foreign land to help some third country make territorial gains ... because of course they would. They expect you to believe that the same men who dropped their rifles and ran like a bunch of frenchmen at the first sight of the Taliban's pickup trucks are now trading fire with a much larger and deadlier enemy for some walking around money that they will never get to spend. lol :o)
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