Utopia Talk / Politics / Jon stewart owns pro gun pol

Im better then you 2012 UP Football Champ	Fri Mar 03 16:38:07 One of the most brilliant interviews in years. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCuIxIJBfCY 9 mins and pure ownage at the end.
Rugian Member	Fri Mar 03 17:07:08 If this is the usual Daily Show MO, I'm guessing it's clipped out-of-context statements combined with gotcha questions that have nothing of substance behind them. Also they might have intentionally booked a weak guest that they knew wouldn't do well in a debate. Stewart and all of his offspring are cancers on the American political discourse.
obaminated Member	Fri Mar 03 20:32:39 Jon Stewart and the quest for relevancy.
kargen Member	Fri Mar 03 21:16:18 Nah Jon Stewart thought he made a good point but he is an idiot. He says you should register a gun because you have to register to vote. The equal to registering a gun would be registering your vote not registering to vote. He might have had a point if we were required to file on record who we voted for each election. He is an idiot. He then thinks he has a point about certain types of speech not being allowed in situations where children are present. Says it is to protect the children. Fun fact, guns in the hands of adults around children can also protect children. His point was idiotic. He is an idiot. THe guy he was talking with is an idiot for not pointing out the idiocy of Stewart's argument. IBTY is an idiot for thinking Jon Stewart made a valid point.
Dukhat Member	Fri Mar 03 22:51:32 You’re an idiot. I used the same lines of logic you used in your argument which is none.
kargen Member	Sat Mar 04 00:11:42 I'm going to give you some credit Duk. Given your atrocious lack of comprehension skills it must have been hard for you to figure out I was calling Jon an idiot. Nice going! Keep working on those skills though. You seem to have missed two entire paragraphs where I pointed out why he is an idiot. But hey overall you are showing improvement.
Habebe Member	Sat Mar 04 00:45:28 "he made a good point but he is an idiot. He says you should register a gun because you have to register to vote." Nope. Big difference. A gun is a tangible item that 1. Tyrannical governments actively want to confiscate (theft).Having a list of who has what where encourages such crimes against humanity. 2. They also have greater value when accompanied by the element of secrecy. 3. You don't publicly list who you voted for, why would you list what type of weapon you have? ------- Voting is not a tangible item that can be physically stolen or made less valuable by knowing whonhas it and where. There is a reasonable need to register voters and count them, to make use of votes they must be counted, it's intrinsic to it's use. And finally, I personally* don't see voting as fundamental of a right as a right to bear arms. This is my personal opinion. Everyone needs to be able to defend themselves.Children are protected by their parents. What better for for all purpose self defense than firearms? One on one or small groups you will be hard pressed to find a greater equalizer. These anti-gunners are not actually anti-gun. They are anti citizen, they only seek to disarm citizens and not cops or the military. I'll disarm after they go first. Governments are FAR more dangerous with weapons than individuals. In the last 150 years how many people were killed/harmed by an armed government/military? How many by armed individuals acting on their own behalf? Governments have a near monopoly on armed killing/violence. It seems dumb to arm the more dangerous side.
Hrothgar Member	Sat Mar 04 12:24:55 We don't have to end gun ownership or register every gun to make huge improvements to "prevent psychos from shooting tons of people". All we need is a return to firearms that aren't designed specifically to kill people on combat levels. Think of the functionality of firearms in the 1980s. Nothing was available to the public that could hold more than 3-7 rounds in a magazine. Enough for hunting and home defense against criminals. Far less deadly to a psycho who wants to kill people at a concert or dance club.
Forwyn Member	Sat Mar 04 12:48:44 Pandora's box is opened. Tens of thousands of people have the knowledge to make these firearms in a toolshed. Hundreds of thousands more can 3-D print firearms in their office. Unless you want to inflate the faggiest and most unconstitutional executive agency in our nation's history, the ATF, to specifically track these down, you're not getting rid of technological advances in firearms owned by civilians.
Sam Adams Member	Sat Mar 04 13:25:23 "Jon stewart" The opinions of losers and journalists are of no importance.
kargen Member	Sat Mar 04 14:33:30 Handgun magazines holding more than 10 rounds gained popularity in the 1930s. In 1963 the government started selling M-1s at a discount price to civilians. They sold over 200,000 M-1s and the magazine capacity was typically either 15 or 30 rounds. 1963 is also when the AR-15 became commercially available and it sold with a twenty round magazine. A couple of years later the thirty round magazine became available. Beretta introduced a handgun in 1976 that could hold 16 rounds. Sixteen rounds after that became the standard for a while with handguns. Over the years states have tried to limit round capacity. Until the 1990 ban in New Jersey all magazine capacity limit laws were repealed usually very quick. 1994 is when more states started banning high capacity magazines. 1980s handguns and rifles not used for hunting usually had high capacity magazines.
Habebe Member	Sat Mar 04 14:47:21 "We don't have to end gun ownership or register every gun to make huge improvements to "prevent psychos from shooting tons of people". All we need is a return to firearms that aren't designed specifically to kill people on combat levels. Think of the functionality of firearms in the 1980s. Nothing was available to the public that could hold more than 3-7 rounds in a magazine. Enough for hunting and home defense against criminals. Far less deadly to a psycho who wants to kill people at a concert or dance club." Most gun deaths are black males shooting people with pistols, very often other black males. Forwyn is also right. Everyone can just 3d print guns, and the tech is pretty good these days. Some things still need to be machined. I say lean into it, otherwise it will be just thugs with guns. Honestly, the issues with gun laws have the same underlying issue all out issues have, no one is willing to budge because we don't trust the other side to act in good faith. The irony though, the left's big push is for the right to kill humans and the Rights is the right to defend ourselves, and the argument against it is it is linked to the deaths of more humans.
Habebe Member	Sat Mar 04 14:50:06 Gun accidental deaths could be lowered, but they are not really a top concern. Suicides are high, but having a gun doesn't make you suicidal. Young black males from 14-36 are the biggest issue by far for gun/pistol deaths.
Sam Adams Member	Sun Mar 05 10:45:45 "Gun accidental deaths could be lowered, but they are not really a top concern." Darwin didnt want those retards around anyway.
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