Utopia Talk / Politics / America's next generation of legal minds

Rugian Member	Wed Mar 15 16:19:17 TL;DR some conservative judge was scheduled to give a speech at Stanford law. Apparently a bunch of law students were organized by a DEI administrator to disrupt the speech and prevent him from being able to talk, using the justification that "counter-speech is free speech." As the students got increasingly rowdy the judge asked a school official to intervene, whereupon the DEI administrator hijacked the podium and proceeded to lecture HIM on how he has caused harm to people as a result of his career. Video of the original incident: http://vimeo.com/806801455/16c79baa14 The behavior of the students was so egregious that the dean of Stanford felt a need to apologize to the judge. That in turn made *her* a target, and she was forced to walk through a human corridor of masked protestors. A third of the entire law school student body participated, and those that didn't got hostile treatment. Students don't get radicalized like this on their own. We need to purge the teachers and administrators that are causing this shit.
Sam Adams Member	Wed Mar 15 17:05:08 Yup. We can all fight it though. Dont vote for the woke. Dont hire the woke. Dont promote the woke. Dont do business with wokists.
murder Member	Wed Mar 15 17:50:50 Good god ... Sam Adams is Meatball Ron. :o)
Sam Adams Member	Thu Mar 16 00:27:27 Desantis 2024! Save america(for real this time). Nah, scratch that. Nuclear war(maybe starting ss a civil war) is likely. I feel like we are in the first few chapters of Foundation, or the last few chapters of gibbons decline and fall. I dont think we can be saved. At least not on our own. Maybe chatgpt6.7 will turn into a happy skynet and rule the world mercifully on our behalf.
Y2A Member	Thu Mar 16 01:02:26 "and prevent him from being able to talk" The very video that you show shows the admin going up making a speech about how the guy has bad positions but has the right to speak and then leaves allowing the discussion to go forward. Seems like more victimhood politics from the right.
earthpig GTFO HOer	Thu Mar 16 01:51:21 "Students don't get radicalized like this on their own." You're right, Trump had to do it. Sorry Rugian, this isn't going to change. Ever. This judge is a Trump appointee, and as far as I can tell he did not resign on or shortly after January 6th to live a private and quiet life until his natural death. That's all anyone needs to know. He's not a legitimate judge, his purpose was to rubber-stamp Trump's life dictatorship that (so far) hasn't come to pass. His judicial record of violating basic human and constitutional rights also didn't help him any, assuming wikipedia is ballpark correct.
earthpig GTFO HOer	Thu Mar 16 01:52:58 The DEI people and him kind of deserve each other, tbh.
earthpig GTFO HOer	Thu Mar 16 01:59:25 "I feel like we are in the first few chapters of Foundation" I do not disagree with this, though I don't think Hari Seldon will arrive. There needs to be something in between this idiot judge, and the hyper woke... It's ok to be a man, but it's also ok to be buttfucked by a man if that's what you think is fun. And so on.
Dukhat Member	Thu Mar 16 02:06:33 This judge deliberately trolled the students and tried to create a meme moment. Fucking retarded mouthbreathers like Rugina gobbles it up of course.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Thu Mar 16 10:10:24 ”assuming wikipedia is ballpark correct.” I know nothing about the back story, but I would object to wiki pages for any person who has, for whatever reason, triggerd the woke. It isn’t called wokipedia for nothing. Also student have been doing this towards all kinds of people who had nothing to do with Trump, for year and years.
Sam Adams Member	Thu Mar 16 10:10:31 "There needs to be something in between this idiot judge, and the hyper woke..." Yup... but that doesnt sell clicks on news sites.
Forwyn Member	Thu Mar 16 10:55:47 "He's not a legitimate judge" Now do the same for Obama appointees, of whom you can always predict whenever you see a headline of an asinine ruling
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Thu Mar 16 10:56:11 It is far beyond selling news, every school now has these DEI consultants and experts. There is an entire industry of these people who have infiltrated almost every school and every major corporation. Every major institute has capitulated, every major scientific publisher has changed their guidelines in harmony with woke principle.
Sam Adams Member	Thu Mar 16 11:47:19 I wonder how much money is wasted on DEI and other political officers.
Hrothgar Member	Thu Mar 16 12:59:22 They'll 90% be replaced by Legal AI within the next 10 years.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Thu Mar 16 13:07:32 http://www...y-and-inclusion-manager-salary Just look at the salaries for an indication. A 6 figure salary, upwards of 200k in fancy cities like NYC. Finally a career path for useless social science degrees.
Y2A Member	Thu Mar 16 20:46:35 It's a marketing cost that large corporations spend to pretend to care about diversity, esg, etc... to outside parties.
Cherub Cow Member	Fri Mar 17 05:52:55 [Rugian]: "Students don't get radicalized like this on their own." [Low-Information Marxist Useful Idiot]: "You're right, Trump had to do it." This talking point isn't much better than tw's psychosis wherein he blames Trump for everything without realizing that the Regime is *having* him blame Trump for everything since tw is just a Maoist who no longer possesses a mind of his own. In reality, this is indeed the long march through the institutions, and only Marxists signaling their Faith in Party Doctrine believe that such a history is "inevitable" or the mere consequence of any advanced human development (a deterministic error). It is a particular aspect of Marxism that useful idiots must delude themselves into believing that socialist/communist psychopathy is the natural result of capitalism, when, in reality, they are merely intuiting the directives of the Inner Party oligarchs who *want* them to act towards this Marxist "end of history". More simply: these students are being directed. They are useful idiots. This is the result of billions of dollars of donations by trillionaire asset managers and captured governments into Marxist projects. These students were fed propaganda, they were denied the viewpoints which would dissolve this idiocy, and their response to the "trauma" of another viewpoint is the self-flagellation of perpetual victimhood. [Low-Information Marxist Useful Idiot]: "There needs to be something in between this idiot judge, and the hyper woke... It's ok to be a man, but it's also ok to be buttfucked by a man if that's what you think is fun." Translation: "Hey, why can't we just have a *little* bit of Maoism and *not* do the mass-starvation, World War III proxy wars, and burial ditches?" Cthulhu swims left, ep; you either keep up or the Regime discards you. The so-called "TERFs" made the same mistake you just made: they thought that they could have slave-morality feminism without other slave moralities destroying the very being of "woman". They were wrong, and they were destroyed by the Regime, who brands them another type of "Nazi" even as they continue voting for the DNC totalitarians. Just see how "accepting" they are of TERFs in the psychosis subReddits and Imgur. That software was dropped as a hard line only a few months ago, but the Maoists are already making TERFs dig their own ditches or accept the struggle sessions. The slippery slope is real and it is not meant to stop in the "idyllic" '90s. That's the trick with slave morality. The most "oppressed" person is given the most social power, but these "Harrison Bergeron" acolytes will cut off their own limbs and penises to descend into that inverted hierarchy so that their personal spectral evidence will be believed by the wider psychosis. Or to try a metaphor: this is the Joker in charge of Arkham escapees. What do you suppose determines that pecking order? So you have two central options as a leftist: 1) Accept the Party's eternal present and follow it to whatever insane place it may go, including *when* that will mean cutting off your own penis to fit in (e.g., fitting into the eugenics plan) or having an open relationship and fucking a transperson so that you can prove that you're not a bigot. 2) Draw a line in the sand today by writing down the last remaining values that you actually and sincerely possess — the things that you would not want them to take from you — and when the Party declares that those values are against its "Utopia", you *don't* just forget that you had those values and you actually *realize* that the Party is making you transform into a debased animal who is endlessly interchangeable with any other dogmatic slave. The people who choose option "1" are the Regime's ideal slave. The people who choose option "2" are those leftists who have been "cancelled" for accidentally realizing that they've been allying with psychopaths.
earthpig GTFO HOer	Sat Mar 18 02:18:07 Good thing all the "trillionaire" beneficiaries of capitalism, who run everything seemingly, are secret Marxist rabble-rousing co-conspirators. Sounds totally legit, no excessive belly button staring results to be seen here folks.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sat Mar 18 16:24:57 Ever heard the term “champagne socialist”? It is as old as socialism, so there has never been a shortage of well educated upper class people who have been drawn to the ideology. For many different reasons, guilty conscience, disillusionment etc. just throw a dart in Hollywood. I mean there is a fair degree of hypocrisy very often, but it is a real thing and totally legit.
murder Member	Sat Mar 18 17:20:53 "Ever heard the term “champagne socialist”?" Anyone who doesn't brag about stepping over the homeless to pick up a dime is labeled a socialist. Biden, Obama, and Clinton were all called socialists, and every single one of them was firmly to the right of the old Rockefeller Republicans.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sat Mar 18 17:56:18 Yea yea yea, and everyone who isn’t a socialist is accused of stepping over the homeless. Your take is as useless as ever. But thanks anyway.
murder Member	Sat Mar 18 19:09:32 http://cdn...994557197-44083361_400x400.jpg
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Mar 19 05:18:11 No, I was correct the first time, useless. Doesn’t matter what self help prayer you keep muttering to yourself.
murder Member	Sun Mar 19 14:09:03 http://cdn...994557197-44083361_400x400.jpg
earthpig GTFO HOer	Mon Mar 20 01:51:19 " Ever heard the term “champagne socialist”? " If the successful secret socialist capitalists outnumber and outpower the successful capitalists, that's quite telling in itself. IRL the "socialist capitalist billionaire" threat is one of the signs of fascism, if that's what you insist on adhering to: That the "enemy" is concurrently too weak to be worth worrying about, and so powerful that we must all unite behind Dear Leader or we're fucked. Or, it's not that at all. It's just that the Karl Marx literate socialist-capitalists are vastly better understanding the world than their Friedrich Nietzsche literate opponents. Which is it?
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Mon Mar 20 03:53:36 Whatever it is that China is. And already you have drove into the ditch thinking anyone has ever argued it is ”secret”. Sorry but you are being an idiot, like wtb and jergul over and over talking about some conspiracy. It is all on the open, how many times does that have to be said? They are not hiding any of it. But I like you ep, so maybe you can rephrase and perhaps edit the word salad down for clarity?
Cherub Cow Member	Mon Mar 20 04:19:00 [ep]: "Good thing all the "trillionaire" beneficiaries of capitalism, who run everything seemingly, are secret Marxist rabble-rousing co-conspirators." Oh no! Totes owned! EP's pathetic red herring has blasted my argument! lol That's Reddit-level misdirection by ep right there. But I wonder if Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, and a dozen other genocidal abusers of Marxist logic would qualify as "capitalists" under ep's rhetorical error? Probably so. Or, to explain more plainly: psychopathic oligarchs give Marxism and Communism to the useful idiot masses (i.e., slave morality is given to the proles, who in their pathetic weakness believe that they will have their worker's "Utopia", when, in reality, Marxism merely makes the masses more easily controllable for a centralized authority) while they, the oligarchs, get all the perks of sitting atop a slave society. Private ownership is dismantled and the state centralizes ownership while the slaves are only allotted capital conditionally as it helps further the interests of the centralized state. That is not capitalism. So yes, "Sounds totally legit" Because it *is* legit. Stop playing the Celebration Parallax Regime-propaganda game of "It's not happening and it's good that it is!" This has happened before, and it is happening again. This is the basis of hundreds of years of Asiatic Bolshevism and its cancerous spread. This is the centralization of power, the building of a slavish population — a useful bloc of idiots united by resentment and a dogmatic belief in Marxist refrains such as solidarity, equity, sustainability, and LGBTQ2S+NAMBLA pandering. Marxist oligarchs pander to the moral slaves of a society — the weak, the pathetic, the nihilists, the self-destructive, the alienated, the resentful. These slaves would typically be too pathetic to ascend in society, but the Bolsheviks artificially place them into positions of power, destroy society through mismanagement, and seize power during the vacuum of this incompetence. That is not capitalism. Slave-morality societies do not function from some great industrialist enterprise where the best capitalist simply ascends and then ensnares the population. This happens through infiltration. The Bolsheviks seek out the levers of power, such as how Stalin used "routine" bureaucratic appointments to seize power from the state. So you establish a Federal Reserve, pass "Civil Rights" laws which enable the legal protection of slave morality, capture banks through regulation and "too big to fail" imperatives, drain the coffers with proxy wars, and use the people's own revenue to sell the beauty of slavery to those very people (i.e., "social justice" funded by the government). That is not capitalism. That is parasitism. That is totalitarianism.
earthpig GTFO HOer	Tue Mar 21 03:26:24 It's not any of that. It's story telling. No True Scotsman.
earthpig GTFO HOer	Tue Mar 21 03:50:45 @nima~ "maybe you can rephrase and perhaps edit the word salad down for clarity?" The basic argument I'm responding to is that "evil lefties are smarter than us and more effective than us and more impactful than us and better able to maneuver complex systems than us and richer than us and more successful than us, at basically everything, so you have to just support the opposite of that, or doom will befall us all. [Cherub Cow Addenda] And you're a slave if you don't, unlike we people who are Teh True Masters." When I said that "Trump had to do it," I was referring to that basic claim, sometimes implicit and sometimes explicit.
Cherub Cow Member	Tue Mar 21 04:35:50 "The basic argument I'm responding to is that "evil lefties are smarter than us and more effective than us and more impactful than us and better able to maneuver complex systems than us and richer than us and more successful than us, at basically everything, so you have to just support the opposite of that, or doom will befall us all." Oof. So a massive and incredibly pathetic straw man argument? Thanks for clarifying you disingenuous hack. "It's not any of that. It's story telling. No True Scotsman." Lol. That's your response? You are a pathetic little boy. You were meant to be ruled, and so you have chosen your conquerors as do so many cowards who seed themselves in the back to surrender more easily when the front folds.
earthpig GTFO HOer	Tue Mar 21 04:41:28 "You are a pathetic little boy." I accept your concession, your admission of abject defeat implicit with that statement. *bows out*
Cherub Cow Member	Tue Mar 21 05:01:42 I figured you'd take that as a win, when it was your pathetic lack of response which was your own defeat. You *twice* did the intellectual equivalent of a troll saying, "TLDR! lol!" so you weren't even worth the appropriate name-calling that I gave you. You're worth far less than this eulogy for your spirit. You have nothing to say because you are completely and utterly out of your depth. You visit these forums so infrequently that you haven't a clue what's going on and all you can do is repeat Regime talking points that are so old, inaccurate, and fatally flawed that not even the low-information psychosis victims on Reddit are saying them anymore. You're just another boomer-minded leftist who's not sure what's happening but is convinced that "Trump=bad" and "must vote DNC!" — a pathetic assumption that that is every piece on the table. That's tw's delusion, and it has cost him his mind as it has plainly cost you yours. The depth of your thought terminated the moment you graduated from college, filled with the bile of the Regime propagandists — accepted as "truth" with tacit obedience. You understood nothing. You gleaned nothing. You are just a coward not possessing even the mental control or tact to handle a lingering drunk party-goer without incident. That is your legacy: irrelevance, a will to ignorance, and dismissal even of your own concerns with the direction that the Regime is taking you, since in your tiny mind it "must" be that not emasculating yourself "must" mean that you have to wear a MAGA hat. You can only see the blinders strapped to your face, and to keep them even after so long, it must be that you prefer the tunnel vision.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Tue Mar 21 05:52:20 Mason Well I am a bit surprised that this is your summary of what is being said. Would you make that argument during any of the past centuries rise of authoritarianism? The maoist, Islamist, Khmer Rogue, Nazis they were superior in every way? Or was their rise a more complex affair? The only thing I would actually point to and say the left is really good at, is organization and activism in part inherent to the collectivist mentality. You are a military man and should appreciate how feeble a numerically superior enemy is made to look by a much smaller group of organized soldiers. Arguably they are also more energizing as they are seemingly filling the gap that the death of god has left in the west. There is also the asymmetry embedded in the issues as they are increasingly more complex, but the constituencies ability to grasp them has not scaled in tandem. Many examples, but I will point to socioeconomy and crime as one example, or the state of the third world at the hand of evil colonialist meddling. Yes leftist are very effective in providing dumbed down explanations for the ills of the world. Start thinking about this as a new religious movement and a lot of things makes sense, billionaires are also religious. Take into account that these new religions without supernatural components are very appealing to educated people, who of course do not view them as religion. When Islam for instance spread to Iran, do you know who were to first to convert? Those who had nothing to lose and those who has everything to lose. For the losers it was a ticket out of misery, for the land owners a way to keep their shit from being confiscated or simply a continuation of their power/wealth under the new polity. This is very cynical, of course there are many many true believers as well. Don’t see the resemblance?
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Tue Mar 21 05:56:03 I will repeat what CC said, this has all happened before and it is happening again, several times in the last hundred years, even if you are someone who insists that the world started in 1920.
Habebe Member	Tue Mar 21 06:06:49 "Students don't get radicalized like this on their own. We need to purge the teachers and administrators that are causing this shit." Yeah, their leaders HRC and her Demon monkeys Debbie Wasserman Schultz & Randi "son of Satan" Weingarten should bebmade an example of. Heads, spikes, wall, nuff said.
Habebe Member	Tue Mar 21 06:18:53 "judge is a Trump appointee, and as far as I can tell he did not resign on or shortly after January 6th to live a private and quiet life until his natural death. That's all anyone needs to know. He's not a legitimate judge, his purpose was to rubber-stamp Trump's life dictatorship that (so far) hasn't come to pass." In complete seriousness , do you really see Trump appointed judges as illegitimate? I do realize much of the radical left does view this situation in that manner.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Tue Mar 21 07:57:58 I am very very disappointed that no one has mustered any real criticism of what CC is writting, but to repeatedly say they are not reading it, asinine conspiracy theory accusations, call her cat lady, but most frequently just silence. I mean surely something she is saying is just dead wrong? Anything? Atleast 4-5 people here consider themselves some kind of big brained thinker of thoughts. Just silence.
Seb Member	Tue Mar 21 10:27:57 Nim: CC is a Michelin 3-star awarded purveyor of word salad whose posts are pretty much the definition of what Pauli described as "not even wrong". Even the bits that can be picked out as a testable element are so disjointed from the rest arguing over them often wouldn't really address the post as a whole.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Tue Mar 21 12:59:46 More ad homs and talking around the substance. You are just providing the example of what I just said.
Seb Member	Tue Mar 21 14:26:00 Nim: CCs posts are a string of ad-homs. Its funny you don't comment on that. Both invective but also actual ad-hominem fallacies: justifying reinterpretation or indeed outright substituting their arguments with straw man, justified by unproven accusations they are knowingly or unknowingly operating as cats paws for a shadowy political agenda. You literally cannot engage with someone who is determined to have an argument with a figment of their own imagination and instead of engaging with your argument instead dismisses it and substitutes it with their own.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Tue Mar 21 17:17:32 You regularly engage with people here who string together ad homs and insults. What is so special about her?
Seb Member	Tue Mar 21 17:54:42 Nim: The utter vacuity and predictability in what is said and the degree of effort to isolate elements that can be responded to; and the lack of reciprocation in even addressing the response. Largely, I don't think CC is for real. I think they are a troll. Normally I tend not to worry about that too much. If they aren't, they are certifiable. I put CC in the same bucket as TC - not much point engaging with.
Cherub Cow Member	Wed Mar 22 07:05:51 [Seb]: "CCs posts are a string of ad-homs." You're being reductive, and I think you miss this point: I start in good faith, typically resetting for new threads. If, however, people have already started in that thread with bad faith and passive-aggressive baiting insults (as ep did here), then I mix insults with actual points from the start. But there *are* actual points right next to those insults. I'm not Dukhat or a lazy Lutheran; I don't just insult and then make no argument. This speaks also to your accusation that I'm "a troll". I'm not. The closest I've come to that is at the beginning of the totalitarians thread series when I was using sensational language to make fun of tw's Trump threads, but the sarcasm was pretty transparent and the information itself was still good. And I'm not "certifiable" either; you might just want to address why you yourself think that these things are "[crazy]" by asking if it would upset your worldview if they were entirely true. So it's very simple: concerning vitriol, I return the favor. If ep had tried to have a reasonable argument or tried to understand in good faith, then I would have made all of my points with none of the insults. Understand that, Seb. I used to have long-winded debates even with you without a single insult, if you can remember that. [Seb]: "justifying reinterpretation or indeed outright substituting their arguments with straw man" Be specific. Where have I ever used a straw man argument? This sounds like more projection. I am very deliberate about sticking with the specific words that people use. I quote people so that people can see exactly what I'm looking at when I make my responses (with obvious exceptions, such as when I'm commenting directly below a short statement). Also realize that I was continuing some arguments that I've had with ep before, so you may be missing some details. For instance, he has previously argued that the abundance of Democrats in BigTech is not because of infiltration but because Democrats are simply better educated... which I've pointed out ignores the infiltration of education which sourced those workers (hence why I mentioned the "long march"). He has also argued that it's the natural progress of a city to become Democrat simply because city-dwellers have specific logistical needs, which is why I brought up the "inevitable"-history fallacy. Complex conservative cities have indeed existed historically. [Seb]: "justified by unproven accusations they are knowingly or unknowingly operating as cats paws for a shadowy political agenda." • "Unproven accusations"? Which ones? Be specific. Ep demonstrated ignorance here, so those were proven; he legitimately thinks that it's capitalists doing this, and he said so. • "Shadowy political agenda"? Nope. If that's a reference to my total-state threads, follow my citations. They themselves make these statements in public. There's nothing "shadowy" about it. And this is something that perpetually amazes me about the left. You'd think you'd want to know what your own leaders have in mind for you. Why don't you read their statements at the UN or WEF? Is it just a lack of curiosity? Is it a belief that procedural democracies are populated with *benevolent* busybodies whose actions can therefore be ignored? • But yes, I'll openly call people useful idiots. I think it's very appropriate. I've only spoken to maybe two people on the left who are actually aware of what's going on. In one case, the Atlanta Antifa organization is aware that radicals of the left and right are being used against each other, but they think that the fall of the West will benefit the left the most (finally, some honesty https://atlantaantifa.org/ ). In the other case, they oppose the fall of the West, but their complaint became semantic; they still blame capitalism, as ep did here. They take "capitalism" at face value when people such as Biden say, "I'm a capitalist!" But these oligarchs are specifically referring to "stakeholder capitalism", which is a deceptive rebranding which describes its opposite: [World Economic Forum dot org; Davos Agenda; January 22nd, 2021] http://www...-capitalism-history-relevance/ But most of the left — the useful idiots — remain totally ignorant of any of these macro movements yet follow the dictates at the micro level. Anyways, I'm not above self-improvement, so I can try to be less insulting.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Wed Mar 22 08:27:25 Seb Yea I do not believe you seb at all, he wouyld happily waste your time "debate" this issue of why you aren't debating the substance for threads on end with me. I also wonder why you are referring to CC as "they", she is a woman, you can find a post by her saying she may have to freeze some eggs.
murder Member	Wed Mar 22 10:30:12 "Largely, I don't think CC is for real. I think they are a troll." I'm pretty sure she has a twitter account and a blog/substack? http://twitter.com/CherubCow She got talked into red pilling herself and fell down the rabbit hole. It's happened to tons of people this last decade or so.
murder Member	Wed Mar 22 10:34:17 If I'm not mistaken I think she used to have a blog about movies and/or TV shows.
murder Member	Wed Mar 22 10:35:38 http://www.cherubcow.com/
Seb Member	Wed Mar 22 14:59:18 Nim: I'm not sure what you are getting at. Did CC claim to be a woman, I seem to recall when someone referred as CC as such, CC suggested that was an unwarranted assertion. Murder: Well, red-pill or troll - sometimes it isn't worth debating with someone when it becomes clear you do not share the same reality. It's one thing to debate the implications of shared facts - when we don't share the same set of facts there is no communication possible.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Thu Mar 23 04:22:24 It is oretty starightforward what I am getting at, they are a she. A far easier theory of why people are not engaging is that ut is quite thr task to start to disagreeing with CC and her essays, and you stand on the other side of practically every issue, we know that from all the other time you waste here.
Seb Member	Thu Mar 23 04:58:28 Nim: I meant I couldn't work out the first paragraph of your response - too many typos (and lord knows I make enough, so I'm not criticising, just couldn't quite work out. "quite the task to start to disagreeing with CC and her essay" Well yes, that's my point - they say practically nothing and it is hard to find any tangible logic other than that her premises are all wrong.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Thu Mar 23 07:50:15 Fair enough :) I meant that you would happily waste your time debating/discussing whatever it is that we are doing right now _about_ CC for 3-4 threads if I was up for it. Surely you can waste that time on CC directly. Of course I disagree and find what you are saying unconvincing since you have lobbed the same type of dismissive arguments at me, while filling up thread after thread, about the very same subjects.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Thu Mar 23 07:53:57 http://utopiaforums.com/boardthread?id=politics&thread=87623 Responding to if she will take the vaccine. Cherub Cow Member Tue Feb 09 00:15:36 Might be good to wait a minute and see if there's a "Children of Men" or Dennis Kelly "Utopia" situation going on with the vaccine — may want to freeze some eggs first ;)
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Thu Mar 23 08:03:12 Cherub Cow "Anyways, I'm not above self-improvement, so I can try to be less insulting." As to we all and I would like to add: We should be more forgiving to people who realize their mistake and may require amnesty. Create and environment where people can admit they are wrong, it is difficult as it is. I know social media makes that difficult, but we can as individuals reach out to other individuals and cut through the cancerous noise. We should also be careful to not throw people under the bus we rode together as soon as we find a disagreement. I am seeing a lot of this on the anti woke/progressive side. Centrists who are/were neither Trumpican or woke are getting it from both sides. We don't have to accept entire idea complexes to find that agreement and form an alliance for specific fights. I think just as you turn a page every thread, we should try to do that across topics and issues.
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