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Paramount
Member Fri May 12 01:36:51
Thousands of people have been crossing the border into the USA every week. Millions of people from all over South America are waiting to cross.

Why don’t the US simply put sanctions on Venezuela, Colombia and other countries?

murder
Member Fri May 12 10:08:12

I have a better idea. For every migrant that enters the US, the US should deport a shitbag. That way the population is stabilize in the US and Latin America, and the quality of life will improve in the US.

murder
Member Fri May 12 10:09:51

They send us workers in search of a better life, and we'll send them tax evaders for their kidnapping rings to extort.

Sam Adams
Member Fri May 12 12:30:06
Trade africans for mexicans. Hell ya id take that deal in a second.

kargen
Member Fri May 12 12:50:24
What the fuck would we sanction? People are leaving those countries because they (the countries and the people) already have nothing.

The fix would be easy if anyone in Washington actually wanted a fix. First you streamline the process for entering and staying legally. Then build the wall, enforce Title 8 with a heavy hand and introduce penalties for hiring or housing illegal immigrants.
First has got to be a quicker and more simple way of applying to enter legally and have that application reviewed.

For now Texas and other states should rent a fleet of busses. They then get a list of all the sanctuary cities and ask those crossing the border which sanctuary city they prefer. Once a bus is full off they go. On each bus there should be a processor that can do the paperwork and have it ready when the bus reaches its destination. The paperwork is then submitted to a receiving agent in the sanctuary city.

murder
Member Fri May 12 13:10:07

"For now Texas and other states should rent a fleet of busses."

Literally the moment they cross the border of their state they are guilty of trafficking and it's a federal offense, so governor Tiny Peen can't pardon them.

murder
Member Fri May 12 13:12:01

And everyone else involved is guilty of conspiracy and participating in a criminal enterprise.

Rugian
Member Fri May 12 13:45:56
"Human Trafficking Defined
Human Trafficking is a crime involving the exploitation of a person for labor, services, or commercial sex.

The Trafficking Victims Protection Act of 2000 and its subsequent reauthorizations recognize and define two primary forms of human trafficking:

Sex trafficking is the recruitment, harboring, transportation, provision, obtaining, patronizing, or soliciting of a person for the purpose of a commercial sex act in which a commercial sex act is induced by force, fraud, or coercion, or in which the person induced to perform such act has not attained 18 years of age. (22 U.S.C. § 7102(11)(A)).

Forced labor is the recruitment, harboring, transportation, provision, or obtaining of a person for labor or services, through the use of force, fraud, or coercion for the purpose of subjection to involuntary servitude, peonage, debt bondage, or slavery. (22 U.S.C. § 7102(11)(B)).

Additional legal definitions are contained in 18 U.S.C. Chapter 77 (criminal definitions) and 19 U.S.C. § 1307 (includes definition of “forced labor” for purposes of implementing the federal prohibition on importation of goods produced with forced labor)."

http://www.justice.gov/humantrafficking

Stop watching MSNBC murder.

kargen
Member Fri May 12 17:39:43
"Literally the moment they cross the border of their state they are guilty of trafficking and it's a federal offense, so governor Tiny Peen can't pardon them."
Who told you that lie?

If they voluntarily get on the bus and agree to the destination there is no trafficking. That is why Greyhound can take passengers across the country. We are free to travel from state to state as we see fit.

murder
Member Fri May 12 17:40:47

Fine ... human smuggling.

kargen
Member Fri May 12 18:10:40
That is what is happening South of the border and with the got-aways. The ones apprehended and bussed elsewhere are the lucky ones to this point that have dodged the smuggling rings.
They could still get swept up if the sanctuary cities do not do right by them.

Rugian
Member Fri May 12 18:19:36
"Human smuggling involves the provision of a service—typically, transportation or fraudulent
documents—to an individual who voluntarily seeks to gain illegal entry into a foreign country"

http://www.../Report/2017/CSReport-13-1.pdf

We are learning so much today!

Forwyn
Member Fri May 12 20:55:19
Lol murder is mad that states insulated against mass illegal immigration that have shilled for decades for lax enforcement on mass illegal immigration are now experiencing the direct effects of a tiny fraction of mass illegal immigration

murder
Member Fri May 12 21:26:37

murder's mad that small balled Joe Biden is allowing states to dictate federal policy.

murder's mad that Joe Biden doesn't offer free entry to every immigrant that wants to enter the US on the condition that they remain in the border states that are in rebellion.

Forwyn
Member Fri May 12 22:58:57
Yes. Punish the four states that carry the brunt of illegal immigration by virtue of being the border states, if they deign to bitch about faggots in New York voicing their irrelevant opinion on the matter.

Fucking idiot lmao

obaminated
Member Fri May 12 23:18:45
Well i do declare, Kargen and rugian just eifel towered murder.

murder
Member Sat May 13 06:26:26

"Yes. Punish the four states that carry the brunt of illegal immigration by virtue of being the border states, if they deign to bitch about faggots in New York voicing their irrelevant opinion on the matter."

The only suffering those states are experiencing is becoming less white. Contrary to popular white supremacists bullshit, brown people don't cross the border, squat, and go on welfare. They come here to work and they move on to wherever the jobs are. Cheap immigrant labor is why the US has the massive agricultural industry that it has.

States that need assistance can secure it in Congress like the good lord intended.

Average Ameriacn
Member Sat May 13 07:30:53
VOTE TRUMP AND HE WILL BUILD THE WALL

Forwyn
Member Sat May 13 08:30:31
"The only suffering those states are experiencing is becoming less white."

Then shouldn't left-wing states like NY embrace the busses? Why are they acting as if it brings new social challenges?

murder
Member Sat May 13 12:40:55

It doesn't matter if they embrace the busses. The only thing that matters is putting down states in rebellion. The minute a state challenges the authority of the federal government it needs to have its nose shoved in its own mess. The longer you try to ignore it and let it go on, the worse it gets and eventually the US Army has to get involved.

It's the same thing as the shitbag white nationalists militias that we've tried to ignore for decades. Surely if we pretend they are not there, the fever will break and everything will just go back to normal ... oh shit they just tried to overthrow the government. Let pretend it didn't happen because surely they see they've gone too far and will settle down. No they won't.

These are not random events, these are probing actions. If they don't get smacked down it's only going to get worse.

murder
Member Sat May 13 12:43:28

"Why are they acting as if it brings new social challenges?"

Because unlike the border states they aren't receiving federal aid to deal with an influx of people that are not yet free to work.

That's another thing. Biden should choke off every dime going to those states and redeploy the border patrol to the northern border to keep out those pesky Canadians.

Forwyn
Member Sat May 13 15:49:01
Lol. Fucking delusional retard.

The federal govt can freely abrogate its duty to protect national borders but uppity states need to be put down as "rebellious".

Bring the gun and do it yourself, faggot

kargen
Member Sat May 13 16:16:07
"Contrary to popular white supremacists bullshit, brown people don't cross the border, squat, and go on welfare."

You're living back in 2020, things have changed.

kargen
Member Sat May 13 16:18:12
"The only thing that matters is putting down states in rebellion. The minute a state challenges the authority of the federal government it needs to have its nose shoved in its own mess."
Constitution says you have that backwards. Any time the federal government challenges state authority the state needs to slap DC down.

obaminated
Member Sat May 13 17:18:15
Murder really has the maturity of an angst riddled teenage boy who is pissed his parents took away his game console for the weekend.

murder
Member Sat May 13 22:13:42

"The federal govt can freely abrogate its duty to protect national borders ..."

Protect it from what? Job seekers? The wrong colored people? The US southern border is not under threat. You just don't like the people crossing it.

Forwyn
Member Sat May 13 22:15:12
Lol bro pretends drugs and human traffickers aren't flowing across the border, also that cheap labor absent any sort of quotas leads to the sort of wage stagnation you cry about

murder
Member Sat May 13 22:16:06

"Constitution says you have that backwards."

No it doesn't. That's why federal law has supremacy over state law, and why even state militias can be federalized to enforce federal laws.

murder
Member Sat May 13 22:18:24

"Murder really has the maturity of an angst riddled teenage boy who is pissed his parents took away his game console for the weekend."

My game console was Pong.

murder
Member Sat May 13 22:19:13

"Lol bro pretends drugs and human traffickers aren't flowing across the border, also that cheap labor absent any sort of quotas leads to the sort of wage stagnation you cry about"

That's a whole other debate.

murder
Member Sat May 13 22:21:54

Are migrants crushing US wages, or is it the federal reserve? I mean it's playing out in real time right now for everyone to see and it's not like they are even denying it.

Wages are suppressed because it is good for "capitalism" ... meaning the stinking rich.

Forwyn
Member Mon May 15 20:26:25
Why not both?

Convincing women to pursue careers like men was a great win for corps as well.

Now both sides of the house work, to get less.

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Paramount Member	Fri May 12 01:36:51 Thousands of people have been crossing the border into the USA every week. Millions of people from all over South America are waiting to cross. Why don’t the US simply put sanctions on Venezuela, Colombia and other countries?
murder Member	Fri May 12 10:08:12 I have a better idea. For every migrant that enters the US, the US should deport a shitbag. That way the population is stabilize in the US and Latin America, and the quality of life will improve in the US.
murder Member	Fri May 12 10:09:51 They send us workers in search of a better life, and we'll send them tax evaders for their kidnapping rings to extort.
Sam Adams Member	Fri May 12 12:30:06 Trade africans for mexicans. Hell ya id take that deal in a second.
kargen Member	Fri May 12 12:50:24 What the fuck would we sanction? People are leaving those countries because they (the countries and the people) already have nothing. The fix would be easy if anyone in Washington actually wanted a fix. First you streamline the process for entering and staying legally. Then build the wall, enforce Title 8 with a heavy hand and introduce penalties for hiring or housing illegal immigrants. First has got to be a quicker and more simple way of applying to enter legally and have that application reviewed. For now Texas and other states should rent a fleet of busses. They then get a list of all the sanctuary cities and ask those crossing the border which sanctuary city they prefer. Once a bus is full off they go. On each bus there should be a processor that can do the paperwork and have it ready when the bus reaches its destination. The paperwork is then submitted to a receiving agent in the sanctuary city.
murder Member	Fri May 12 13:10:07 "For now Texas and other states should rent a fleet of busses." Literally the moment they cross the border of their state they are guilty of trafficking and it's a federal offense, so governor Tiny Peen can't pardon them.
murder Member	Fri May 12 13:12:01 And everyone else involved is guilty of conspiracy and participating in a criminal enterprise.
Rugian Member	Fri May 12 13:45:56 "Human Trafficking Defined Human Trafficking is a crime involving the exploitation of a person for labor, services, or commercial sex. The Trafficking Victims Protection Act of 2000 and its subsequent reauthorizations recognize and define two primary forms of human trafficking: Sex trafficking is the recruitment, harboring, transportation, provision, obtaining, patronizing, or soliciting of a person for the purpose of a commercial sex act in which a commercial sex act is induced by force, fraud, or coercion, or in which the person induced to perform such act has not attained 18 years of age. (22 U.S.C. § 7102(11)(A)). Forced labor is the recruitment, harboring, transportation, provision, or obtaining of a person for labor or services, through the use of force, fraud, or coercion for the purpose of subjection to involuntary servitude, peonage, debt bondage, or slavery. (22 U.S.C. § 7102(11)(B)). Additional legal definitions are contained in 18 U.S.C. Chapter 77 (criminal definitions) and 19 U.S.C. § 1307 (includes definition of “forced labor” for purposes of implementing the federal prohibition on importation of goods produced with forced labor)." http://www.justice.gov/humantrafficking Stop watching MSNBC murder.
kargen Member	Fri May 12 17:39:43 "Literally the moment they cross the border of their state they are guilty of trafficking and it's a federal offense, so governor Tiny Peen can't pardon them." Who told you that lie? If they voluntarily get on the bus and agree to the destination there is no trafficking. That is why Greyhound can take passengers across the country. We are free to travel from state to state as we see fit.
murder Member	Fri May 12 17:40:47 Fine ... human smuggling.
kargen Member	Fri May 12 18:10:40 That is what is happening South of the border and with the got-aways. The ones apprehended and bussed elsewhere are the lucky ones to this point that have dodged the smuggling rings. They could still get swept up if the sanctuary cities do not do right by them.
Rugian Member	Fri May 12 18:19:36 "Human smuggling involves the provision of a service—typically, transportation or fraudulent documents—to an individual who voluntarily seeks to gain illegal entry into a foreign country" http://www.../Report/2017/CSReport-13-1.pdf We are learning so much today!
Forwyn Member	Fri May 12 20:55:19 Lol murder is mad that states insulated against mass illegal immigration that have shilled for decades for lax enforcement on mass illegal immigration are now experiencing the direct effects of a tiny fraction of mass illegal immigration
murder Member	Fri May 12 21:26:37 murder's mad that small balled Joe Biden is allowing states to dictate federal policy. murder's mad that Joe Biden doesn't offer free entry to every immigrant that wants to enter the US on the condition that they remain in the border states that are in rebellion.
Forwyn Member	Fri May 12 22:58:57 Yes. Punish the four states that carry the brunt of illegal immigration by virtue of being the border states, if they deign to bitch about faggots in New York voicing their irrelevant opinion on the matter. Fucking idiot lmao
obaminated Member	Fri May 12 23:18:45 Well i do declare, Kargen and rugian just eifel towered murder.
murder Member	Sat May 13 06:26:26 "Yes. Punish the four states that carry the brunt of illegal immigration by virtue of being the border states, if they deign to bitch about faggots in New York voicing their irrelevant opinion on the matter." The only suffering those states are experiencing is becoming less white. Contrary to popular white supremacists bullshit, brown people don't cross the border, squat, and go on welfare. They come here to work and they move on to wherever the jobs are. Cheap immigrant labor is why the US has the massive agricultural industry that it has. States that need assistance can secure it in Congress like the good lord intended.
Average Ameriacn Member	Sat May 13 07:30:53 VOTE TRUMP AND HE WILL BUILD THE WALL
Forwyn Member	Sat May 13 08:30:31 "The only suffering those states are experiencing is becoming less white." Then shouldn't left-wing states like NY embrace the busses? Why are they acting as if it brings new social challenges?
murder Member	Sat May 13 12:40:55 It doesn't matter if they embrace the busses. The only thing that matters is putting down states in rebellion. The minute a state challenges the authority of the federal government it needs to have its nose shoved in its own mess. The longer you try to ignore it and let it go on, the worse it gets and eventually the US Army has to get involved. It's the same thing as the shitbag white nationalists militias that we've tried to ignore for decades. Surely if we pretend they are not there, the fever will break and everything will just go back to normal ... oh shit they just tried to overthrow the government. Let pretend it didn't happen because surely they see they've gone too far and will settle down. No they won't. These are not random events, these are probing actions. If they don't get smacked down it's only going to get worse.
murder Member	Sat May 13 12:43:28 "Why are they acting as if it brings new social challenges?" Because unlike the border states they aren't receiving federal aid to deal with an influx of people that are not yet free to work. That's another thing. Biden should choke off every dime going to those states and redeploy the border patrol to the northern border to keep out those pesky Canadians.
Forwyn Member	Sat May 13 15:49:01 Lol. Fucking delusional retard. The federal govt can freely abrogate its duty to protect national borders but uppity states need to be put down as "rebellious". Bring the gun and do it yourself, faggot
kargen Member	Sat May 13 16:16:07 "Contrary to popular white supremacists bullshit, brown people don't cross the border, squat, and go on welfare." You're living back in 2020, things have changed.
kargen Member	Sat May 13 16:18:12 "The only thing that matters is putting down states in rebellion. The minute a state challenges the authority of the federal government it needs to have its nose shoved in its own mess." Constitution says you have that backwards. Any time the federal government challenges state authority the state needs to slap DC down.
obaminated Member	Sat May 13 17:18:15 Murder really has the maturity of an angst riddled teenage boy who is pissed his parents took away his game console for the weekend.
murder Member	Sat May 13 22:13:42 "The federal govt can freely abrogate its duty to protect national borders ..." Protect it from what? Job seekers? The wrong colored people? The US southern border is not under threat. You just don't like the people crossing it.
Forwyn Member	Sat May 13 22:15:12 Lol bro pretends drugs and human traffickers aren't flowing across the border, also that cheap labor absent any sort of quotas leads to the sort of wage stagnation you cry about
murder Member	Sat May 13 22:16:06 "Constitution says you have that backwards." No it doesn't. That's why federal law has supremacy over state law, and why even state militias can be federalized to enforce federal laws.
murder Member	Sat May 13 22:18:24 "Murder really has the maturity of an angst riddled teenage boy who is pissed his parents took away his game console for the weekend." My game console was Pong.
murder Member	Sat May 13 22:19:13 "Lol bro pretends drugs and human traffickers aren't flowing across the border, also that cheap labor absent any sort of quotas leads to the sort of wage stagnation you cry about" That's a whole other debate.
murder Member	Sat May 13 22:21:54 Are migrants crushing US wages, or is it the federal reserve? I mean it's playing out in real time right now for everyone to see and it's not like they are even denying it. Wages are suppressed because it is good for "capitalism" ... meaning the stinking rich.
Forwyn Member	Mon May 15 20:26:25 Why not both? Convincing women to pursue careers like men was a great win for corps as well. Now both sides of the house work, to get less.
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