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patom
Member Tue May 16 13:19:09
Florida's farm industry.

http://www...kers-boycotting-010156882.html

murder
Member Tue May 16 14:17:59

I seriously doubt that will actually materialize. You'd be amazed how many previous immigrants are sure that they are the good immigrants and the ones coming behind them are going to wreck the country.

murder
Member Tue May 16 14:20:57

The bigger issue will coming from the actual farming. Farmers can't pay enough to get Americans out in the field in any numbers, consumers don't want to pay prices to support high farm labor wages, and expensive produce won't be able to compete on the open market.

So I have a feeling it'll be some farmers on strike.

murder
Member Tue May 16 14:22:11

Not that DeSantis cares. Good economic policies won't get him to the White House. Hating the right people will.

kargen
Member Tue May 16 14:22:31
that and only a little over 10% of truckers are independent. The others all work for companies that probably aren't going to give a shit about their drivers views.

kargen
Member Tue May 16 14:30:08
I'm not sure labor wages will be much of an issue. For most crops the technology exists to have machines cultivate and pick the crops. Labor has been cheap enough that it didn't make fiscal sense to invest in the machinery. As labor costs increase machines become the viable option. Will suck for the small family run farms maybe.

patom
Member Tue May 16 16:56:10
kargen, the majority of long hauling of food products is by owner operators.

I suppose if the farmers limit their crops to products that can be harvested mechanically, they will be all right. But crops like tomatoes, grapes, citrus fruit, etc. have yet to see robots being able to handle them gently enough.

kargen
Member Tue May 16 17:43:38
That is the cost thing. There are machines that can pick tomatoes and fruits. Not sure about grapes.

With fruits the machine shakes the branches causing ripe fruit to fall on a net or canopy below where they are then gathered.
With tomatoes they use a variety that basically has several tomatoes all get ripe at the same time and only produce once. They harvest the entire plant and then the machine separates the tomatoes from the rest of the plant. The unwanted part is ground up by the same machine and scattered in the field to provide nutrients for the next crop. They tend to be rapid growth so a farmer gets multiple growing seasons/crops.

patom
Member Wed May 17 05:08:02
Have you been shopping lately? Which variety of tomatoes are you willing to give up so that DeSantis can punish farmers for hiring illegals? Show me a machine harvesting strawberries, peaches, citrus fruit.
Now they could do like fruit growers here in Maine and open their orchards as 'You Picks'. If you want fresh strawberries the best are those you pick yourself. In fact we have done that.
Mushrooms are another problematic crop. So far they haven't been able to invent a machine to mechanically harvest them. Not to worry though, I think Pennsylvania is the biggest grower of them. Although Florida does produce lots of horse shit from the tracks and thoroughbred farms. BTW that is what is used to fertilize and grow mushrooms.

murder
Member Wed May 17 09:52:56

Well we definitely have plenty of horseshit. We're drowning in horseshit. :o)

kargen
Member Wed May 17 15:29:48
Peaches are still harvested by hand and will continue to be for the foreseeable future because they are soft when ripe.
Citrus fruit is already being harvested by machines. Plenty of videos available of machines in use.
Strawberry picker: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3SGScaShhw
That aside I wouldn't worry much about a Florida boycott. Only 28% of owner/operators are minority. Hispanics make up only 8% and not all Hispanics agree with US immigration policies. Just a guess but since driver is one of the jobs these immigrants might go for some truckers might oppose the liberal immigration policy just out of job security.
Most are over 36 years old and 34% served in the military. Many are still paying for their trucks so will not easily give up a long haul.

kargen
Member Wed May 17 15:30:11
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtZnUW4Dpys

automated mushroom harvesting.

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patom Member	Tue May 16 13:19:09 Florida's farm industry. http://www...kers-boycotting-010156882.html
murder Member	Tue May 16 14:17:59 I seriously doubt that will actually materialize. You'd be amazed how many previous immigrants are sure that they are the good immigrants and the ones coming behind them are going to wreck the country.
murder Member	Tue May 16 14:20:57 The bigger issue will coming from the actual farming. Farmers can't pay enough to get Americans out in the field in any numbers, consumers don't want to pay prices to support high farm labor wages, and expensive produce won't be able to compete on the open market. So I have a feeling it'll be some farmers on strike.
murder Member	Tue May 16 14:22:11 Not that DeSantis cares. Good economic policies won't get him to the White House. Hating the right people will.
kargen Member	Tue May 16 14:22:31 that and only a little over 10% of truckers are independent. The others all work for companies that probably aren't going to give a shit about their drivers views.
kargen Member	Tue May 16 14:30:08 I'm not sure labor wages will be much of an issue. For most crops the technology exists to have machines cultivate and pick the crops. Labor has been cheap enough that it didn't make fiscal sense to invest in the machinery. As labor costs increase machines become the viable option. Will suck for the small family run farms maybe.
patom Member	Tue May 16 16:56:10 kargen, the majority of long hauling of food products is by owner operators. I suppose if the farmers limit their crops to products that can be harvested mechanically, they will be all right. But crops like tomatoes, grapes, citrus fruit, etc. have yet to see robots being able to handle them gently enough.
kargen Member	Tue May 16 17:43:38 That is the cost thing. There are machines that can pick tomatoes and fruits. Not sure about grapes. With fruits the machine shakes the branches causing ripe fruit to fall on a net or canopy below where they are then gathered. With tomatoes they use a variety that basically has several tomatoes all get ripe at the same time and only produce once. They harvest the entire plant and then the machine separates the tomatoes from the rest of the plant. The unwanted part is ground up by the same machine and scattered in the field to provide nutrients for the next crop. They tend to be rapid growth so a farmer gets multiple growing seasons/crops.
patom Member	Wed May 17 05:08:02 Have you been shopping lately? Which variety of tomatoes are you willing to give up so that DeSantis can punish farmers for hiring illegals? Show me a machine harvesting strawberries, peaches, citrus fruit. Now they could do like fruit growers here in Maine and open their orchards as 'You Picks'. If you want fresh strawberries the best are those you pick yourself. In fact we have done that. Mushrooms are another problematic crop. So far they haven't been able to invent a machine to mechanically harvest them. Not to worry though, I think Pennsylvania is the biggest grower of them. Although Florida does produce lots of horse shit from the tracks and thoroughbred farms. BTW that is what is used to fertilize and grow mushrooms.
murder Member	Wed May 17 09:52:56 Well we definitely have plenty of horseshit. We're drowning in horseshit. :o)
kargen Member	Wed May 17 15:29:48 Peaches are still harvested by hand and will continue to be for the foreseeable future because they are soft when ripe. Citrus fruit is already being harvested by machines. Plenty of videos available of machines in use. Strawberry picker: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3SGScaShhw That aside I wouldn't worry much about a Florida boycott. Only 28% of owner/operators are minority. Hispanics make up only 8% and not all Hispanics agree with US immigration policies. Just a guess but since driver is one of the jobs these immigrants might go for some truckers might oppose the liberal immigration policy just out of job security. Most are over 36 years old and 34% served in the military. Many are still paying for their trucks so will not easily give up a long haul.
kargen Member	Wed May 17 15:30:11 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtZnUW4Dpys automated mushroom harvesting.
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