Utopia Talk / Politics / R debate

tumbleweed rank	Thu Aug 24 03:20:29 2023 Pence and Vivek knife-fighting atm bottom 4 yet to speak
tumbleweed rank	Thu Aug 24 03:27:39 2023 all of them afraid to say they believe humans affect climate... with DeSantis sabotaging question Vivek really pissing off people now
obaminated rank	Thu Aug 24 03:27:41 2023 Pence should know better than to get into a knife fight with a brown person. Jk. Vivek will win because he isn't running to be trumps VP and can say whatever he wants as long as he doesn't criticize Mr trump.
Y2A rank	Thu Aug 24 03:35:03 2023 Modi = ChatGpt lol
tumbleweed rank	Thu Aug 24 03:37:51 2023 on abortion Nikki Haley very reasonable DeSantis being an annoying dick Pence going Jesus-y...
obaminated rank	Thu Aug 24 03:39:24 2023 Is abortion even an issue anymore? Why is it still an issue? We won on the federal level. Now it's up to individual states to decide what to do, not a federal level issue anymore.
tumbleweed rank	Thu Aug 24 03:41:30 2023 Nikki hit Trump on debt earlier so presumably a childish insult awaits her... he probably won’t post yet as wouldn’t want to direct attention to the debate
tumbleweed rank	Thu Aug 24 03:49:06 2023 yes abortion still an issue as your side pushing for federal limits
tumbleweed rank	Thu Aug 24 03:56:54 2023 next topic is Trumps arrests, should be quite annoying... here’s hoping the moderators care some about truth
tumbleweed rank	Thu Aug 24 04:01:37 2023 Christie is solid Vivek is trash them sparring atm
tumbleweed rank	Thu Aug 24 04:10:16 2023 with some effort they’ve gotten (I think) all to admit Pence did the right thing... a ridiculous thing to even be in debate and fucking crazy the leading candidate the one still claiming otherwise
tumbleweed rank	Thu Aug 24 04:20:37 2023 Vivek presumably generating the most chatter with all his fights, now sparring with Haley
Y2A rank	Thu Aug 24 04:23:05 2023 bjp vs congress
tumbleweed rank	Thu Aug 24 04:53:55 2023 closing arguments coming up my assessment is Pence & Haley should be happy, they outperformed by expectations anyway Vivek probably happy too with all the waves he made I’m glad Trump rarely mentioned, and minimal defense of him (although Fox’s post game show is stupidly Hannity, the close personal friend of criminal Trump)
Dukhat rank	Thu Aug 24 05:10:57 2023 Some actual conservatism on display not like it will matter. Policies dont matter. Its all about hating the libs.
obaminated rank	Thu Aug 24 05:20:27 2023 When Christie said vivisection sounds like chatgpt, did he give an example or was it just a buzzword he got to use as an insult?
Y2A rank	Thu Aug 24 05:25:06 2023 modi c&ped obama's "funny name" line. p.s. fuck christie, fat useless POS
Forwyn rank	Thu Aug 24 05:31:26 2023 tumbleweed the wanderer Wed Aug 23 21:01:37 Christie is solid lmfao
tumbleweed rank	Thu Aug 24 05:48:51 2023 ^ that was about the Trump indictments topic for the record sadly, Christie didn't have any real big moments, imo this is the chatGPT moment: http://twitter.com/ElectionMuse/status/1694522209950154973
earthpig rank	Thu Aug 24 08:16:28 2023 Full debate didn't appear on page one of the youtube search. Anyone have a link?
earthpig rank	Thu Aug 24 08:31:50 2023 Here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5RY7DaXki4
Rugian rank	Thu Aug 24 14:25:32 2023 The media is eager to play up Christie because he's the obvious RINO in the mix, but he did fuck all to convince anyone to vote for him last night. He's not running for President though, he's running to become CNN's next token "Republican" commentator. His campaign website is literally one page that *completely avoids* any mention of his policies, experience, or why he should be president. This man is not seriously running for office.
Cherub Cow rank	Thu Aug 24 15:19:46 2023 Haven't watched anything but clips yet. Which candidate supported the mass-hangings of asset managers and does he have a donation portal?
obaminated rank	Thu Aug 24 16:12:42 2023 Trump tucker got 150 mil views. I haven't watched any of it there but I doubt tucker has commercials so he isn't making money from it. Just keeping himself relevant.
obaminated rank	Thu Aug 24 16:14:06 2023 Also, so much for the narrative about trump holding grudges. Tucker was fired in large part for his opposition to trump.
tumbleweed rank	Thu Aug 24 18:42:22 2023 have any great clips from that amazing blockbuster that 200 million people definitely watched? "Tucker was fired in large part for his opposition to trump" according to Daily Mail?
Rugian rank	Thu Aug 24 18:48:56 2023 "have any great clips from that amazing blockbuster that 200 million people definitely watched?" http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iP_XvGjVNTE
tumbleweed rank	Thu Aug 24 18:55:00 2023 i can't tell if that's made to make Trump look good or bad...
Rugian rank	Thu Aug 24 19:00:08 2023 Let me refer you to the comments to help decide: "Trump being human with Tucker is so refreshing. Ready for Trump 2.0..., unrestrained and unedited!" "Just finished the whole interview. Trump is definitely my president!" "Trump is so cool, and down to earth. He’s like a neighbor or mechanic. Not a politician. Class act, solid American. God bless Donald Trump." "I’m a liberal, but I have to admit this channel is hilarious. Also, screw Biden!" "He's subtle with what he says but a lot of people don't realize how sick those people are." "Me and all the Boers love president Trump! May God walk with him to victory over the forces of evil."
tumbleweed rank	Thu Aug 24 19:10:37 2023 it had the music of a montage of Trump saying stupid nonsense, & he was indeed saying stupid nonsense... yet it's stupid nonsense that cultists (& immature people in general) would enjoy... a childish insult comic is entertaining thus their stupid choice to be 'president' "Class act"... interesting take
tumbleweed rank	Thu Aug 24 19:22:59 2023 btw, reminds me i meant to applaud the Fox hosts (non primetime shitbags) for their array of questions in the debate... they did a good job hitting a broad selection of issues R's interested in (though w/ 8 candidates on stage, many not getting to weigh in on all) ...but apparently they fucked up in not showing photos of Biden at the beach & asking for comment
obaminated rank	Thu Aug 24 19:39:03 2023 Tw you are a sick person, a real sick person. Tucker needs to watch some more podcasts, his back ground is way to dull and needs some customization. Maybe a framed flag/bill of rights/constitution and a mantle with some books he can sponsor as well as a logo he can be sponsored by. And trump is right. Biden can barely lift his legs when he walks. Feel sorry for the guy.
Rugian rank	Thu Aug 24 19:53:09 2023 Tumbleweed would prefer to have a senior citizen who can't even walk across a beach to be the leader of the free world. Sad!
tumbleweed rank	Thu Aug 24 19:56:04 2023 here's the source video of this critically important issue http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BY-oMAY3VU8 a bag was in the way of the chair & i don't see any struggle to walk at end trust me, it is fucking ridiculous the shit Trump talks about... may you fools realize it before Idiocracy fully upon us (Biden's age -is- a fair issue, but not this stupid beach shit...)
obaminated rank	Thu Aug 24 21:01:26 2023 Yeah I see a fragile old man hesitating to bend over to grab a chair, his female staffer immediately springing to action to aid him (clearly that's why she is there to help him do any physical task because he would fail and it'd be recorded) and the female aid moves the chair while biden watches helplessly on. He is a sad feeble old man and the full video did not even show biden moving the chair. Tw just provided video evidence to support trumps claim.
obaminated rank	Thu Aug 24 21:12:20 2023 240 million views now on X. So much for it being a dying platform. Simply too popular, to accessible and too free to be replaced unless someone comes up with something truly innovative, a cheap knock off like threads never had a chance. On top of that X is important for news and conversation, it isn't something that will help you sell your product, it isn't designed for that. So it isn't like there is a push by corporations to find an alternative to X because it doesn't effect their product sales.
Rugian rank	Thu Aug 24 22:03:21 2023 Or how about this for a serious issue: "Biden Has Been on Vacation for 40% of His Presidency" http://www...n-40-presidency-153000371.html 40%...and on the days where he's "working," it's usually a single late morning/early afternoon stint (most of his public events run 10:00 to 4:00), and those are tightly-controlled events where his staff pulls him away as soon as he starts to get tired...he can't bother to answer questions from the press, or stay coherent/awake at half of his gigs... An utter disgrace through and through
Cherub Cow rank	Thu Aug 24 22:33:30 2023 Trump is definitely right about Biden being the worst U.S. president. What else could Biden be given that he’s transparently a puppet that the DNC is hoping to keep afloat just long enough to collapse the United States on behalf of the foreign powers that own him? Biden is a traitor, his party is an enemy of the state, and no DNC politician should get a single vote from any person of conscience in 2024.
tumbleweed rank	Thu Aug 24 23:16:50 2023 "240 million views now on X" yep, totally legit... have you even watched it? anyone here? i see lots of people saying 'wow, xxx million views!!' & sharing it... not seeing hardly anyone mention anything in it... (just saw one cultist post how Trump called Biden the most corrupt president in history... wow... the thing he says regularly...)
murder rank	Fri Aug 25 00:20:40 2023 "Me and all the Boers love president Trump!" Subtle. ;o)
tumbleweed rank	Fri Aug 25 00:54:14 2023 "most of his public events run 10:00 to 4:00" why wouldn't they? whereas Trump watched Fox & tweeted until 11am daily before doing any pretend work, public or otherwise
tumbleweed rank	Fri Aug 25 01:16:01 2023 ooh, a cultist posted another clip from that super amazing interview that hundreds of millions have totally watched... "The people see it, like this horrible district attorney... she said basically I don't have any right to challenge an election. Well what about Stacey Abrams, what about Hillary Clinton?" http://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1694720926997495954 (i'm sure Tucker then corrected him & noted he's not being charged for anything remotely similar to what Abrams or Clinton did)
obaminated rank	Fri Aug 25 01:36:43 2023 Lol, tw flipping out because he doesn't understand the medium. Does it hurt trump that people aren't watching an hour long interview? Or does it help trump that 250 million views have occurred in under 24 hours where people are only watching highlights?
Rugian rank	Fri Aug 25 01:44:56 2023 tw is surprised that Tucker isn't saying "no, it's totally normal to slap RICO charges against a president and his re-election candidate." What a hack.
tumbleweed rank	Fri Aug 25 01:48:09 2023 stupidity bothers me deliberate liars bother me Trump is a mash-up of both... & somehow capable of spreading his idiocy to others... like when he complained the docs weren't on the floor... & actual news hosts & writers actually made articles about hows the docs weren't on the floor... (or believing 240 million people watched that interview as cultists are posting & 'news' writers writing...)
tumbleweed rank	Fri Aug 25 01:54:14 2023 "totally normal to slap RICO charges" do you object to the Conspiracy to Defraud the US federal charge? cause it was definitely a conspiracy to defraud the US... they were trying to bypass the vote of the people (& bypass the courts) in effort to just get Trump appointed winner not planning to have any evidence he won, not planning to have any proof of mass fraud... just wanting DOJ to lie & hoping to cause confusion w/ knowingly fake electors & wanting R-majority legislatures to just buy it all & appoint him winner... & hoping courts wouldn't take up the issue under political question doctrine totally on the up-and-up there...
obaminated rank	Fri Aug 25 01:54:19 2023 Why do you have a hard time believing 240 million people watched a video on Twitter that included trump and tucker? Just because biden and *insert popular liberal pundit * would fail to crack 20 million?
Rugian rank	Fri Aug 25 01:55:13 2023 There are over 8 billion people on this planet and you can't believe that 240 million of them watched the greatest president of the 21st century?
tumbleweed rank	Fri Aug 25 02:29:15 2023 it’s just that I’m 100% sure they didn’t, and only a fool would think they did... enter Trump... I don’t know how Twitter works... i imagine minimally if you scroll past it, it counts as a view... or maybe if it just loads at all into a feed (it loads many entries, you scroll and it loads more) plus given Trumps mentally-I’ll obsession with crowd size, ratings, poll #s, I’m also certain his team worked to rig that video’s numbers so he can brag vs debate ratings
obaminated rank	Fri Aug 25 03:36:49 2023 250 million views, it's all over the news and trumps gonna continue to dominate the news tomorrow and into the weekend. You best believe his interview with tucker is gonna tap half a bill at least by monday.
obaminated rank	Fri Aug 25 03:40:37 2023 http://www...aud-charges-makes-history.html God damn there are gonna be so many t shirts made from this single picture...
murder rank	Fri Aug 25 03:46:18 2023 Trump looks cowed. No wait ... Ramaswamy looks cowed. Trump just looks worn down and defeated.
obaminated rank	Fri Aug 25 05:10:44 2023 Honestly trump looks good. It's his serious face. I half expected him to pull a Pablo Escobar and smile.
Cherub Cow rank	Fri Aug 25 05:30:17 2023 [TDS Bot] “do you object to the Conspiracy to Defraud the US federal charge? cause it was definitely a conspiracy to defraud the US... / they were trying to bypass the vote of the people (& bypass the courts) in effort to just get Trump appointed winner” This is funny because it’s absolutely delusional if you take tw for his usual psychosis, but if you realize that Biden and the Regime’s DNC chapter did indeed defraud the American people, then it becomes true. “The Iron Law of Woke Projection never misses.” Anyways, Trump looks like a total badass in his mug shot. Can’t wait to photoshop him throwing Marxists out of a helo.
earthpig rank	Fri Aug 25 08:31:43 2023 "Biden Has Been on Vacation for 40% of His Presidency" Ever since GWB Jr was reading books to kids during 9/11, this gibberish about evil libs being at the golf course 24/7 has been a recurring theme.
McKobb rank	Fri Aug 25 08:51:24 2023 Trump looks like the drunk uncle you tell to settle down or gtfo
tumbleweed rank	Fri Aug 25 09:03:59 2023 Trumps team says he was trying to look defiant maybe the surely dozens of pathetic practice photos will be released as NFTs
McKobb rank	Fri Aug 25 09:09:42 2023 hotrod is missing a hell of a show
Cherub Cow rank	Fri Aug 25 10:39:34 2023 I am so here for this: “The Mugshot Heard Round the World” [Razorfist; August 25th, 2023] http://youtu.be/mLWIt5IH7eM?si=hQFNa1xGSI0Ux7Kg Trump immediately released mugshot merch. The memes have begun. The DNC totalitarians have fed the public a Based God. Is it because they’re all retarded like tw and ep, in which case they can’t plan more than two moves ahead, or do they secretly want the Based God? It does not matter, since the Based God has arrived. The psychopathy of the Regime and its tw-like lackies has necessitated this moment.
murder rank	Fri Aug 25 11:29:20 2023 "Honestly trump looks good. It's his serious face. I half expected him to pull a Pablo Escobar and smile." I fully expected it with him knowing that this is what the left has been waiting for.
murder rank	Fri Aug 25 11:29:46 2023 btw his eyes look red ... like maybe he was crying.
murder rank	Fri Aug 25 11:36:33 2023 "hotrod is missing a hell of a show" hotrod would have lost his shit by now.
Cherub Cow rank	Fri Aug 25 11:46:21 2023 Trump's eyes were red because he was furious that murder and so many other slaves have squandered the great inheritance of their ancestors. Looking into the spirit of his people, he sees that slavery is not their inheritance! He looks across a great nation and sees a people with an unquenchable spirit! He sees a great destiny rising in the hearts of this nation! He sees a people who are to be hammer to the anvil once again! He sees the Lightning of this people!—An unbreakable will which is wrought among us in an over-going, in a down-going, and which lives in our great and immortal works! But you???? You are STILL?? Now is the time to STORM!!! .. Lots of fun memes appearing under Trump's mugshot (posted to his own Twitter by him): http://twi...ump/status/1694886846050771321
Cherub Cow rank	Fri Aug 25 11:57:09 2023 For convenience, here is a direct link to Trump's store where you can buy your mugshot "Never Surrender" t-shirt: http://sec...remium-cotton-t-shirt/details/
obaminated rank	Fri Aug 25 15:02:49 2023 Yeah this blew up in that BLM supporting AG's face. Now we just need some random black gangster to come out of the woodwork to claim he was fucking her on the side during the blm riots and her character assassination will be complete.
tumbleweed rank	Fri Aug 25 19:19:49 2023 Trump just completely baselessly claiming it isn't sufficient proof? i wish his cultists thought so
obaminated rank	Fri Aug 25 19:22:25 2023 Seems pretty suspicious for this prosecutors to be getting so cozy with the blm protesters. Like with most things trump, the more outlandish shit he says has truth to it. Maybe she wasn't prosecuting him, but she could've hooked up with some gang member from a blm "meeting".
tumbleweed rank	Fri Aug 25 19:44:30 2023 well we -know- Trump's claim was bullshit as the stated source article said NOTHING of the sort yet even if you know for a fact Trump's claims are totally made-up bullshit it doesn't matter for some reason...
Rugian rank	Fri Aug 25 19:51:37 2023 Fani Willis' father was a literal Black Panther. The idea that she would hook up with a BLM terrorist is hardly outside the realm of possibility. The irony that a woman whose family screams anti-American was allowed to threaten criminal charges against the greatest American president of the 21st century. Smh
tumbleweed rank	Fri Aug 25 19:58:42 2023 and it's not outside the realm of possibility that tens of thousands (or 15 million) dead/underage/out-of-state voters voted, so i guess reasonable to overturn the election by any means necessary whether legal or not with no proof of any of it... ...hang mike pence! Trump is the true 'president'! witch hunt! stollen! weaponized DOJ!
Rugian rank	Fri Aug 25 21:05:13 2023 "BREAKING: Fulton County DA Fani Willis regularly questioned election results & used her office to push unfounded election conspiracies. On the eve of Trump’s arrest in Georgia for “challenging” an election — a deep dive into the prosecutor’s history of doing the *same* thing:" http://twi...tion-in-facebook-posts-hulk%2F
Rugian rank	Fri Aug 25 21:06:04 2023 "Fulton County DA Fani Willis has blatantly and quite illegally used her office for partisan political activity. Imagine thinking you’ll get “Justice” from a person with a “PROUD DEMOCRAT” mug displayed prominently in their public office. But it gets much, much worse…" http://twi...tion-in-facebook-posts-hulk%2F
Rugian rank	Fri Aug 25 21:07:52 2023 "In the days following the 2018 midterms, Fani Willis expressed concerns about the election not being properly run by implying all votes weren’t counted: In a Facebook post she wrote: “You all better start paying attention to what is really going on…”" http://twi...tion-in-facebook-posts-hulk%2F
Rugian rank	Fri Aug 25 21:08:36 2023 "Hours after the last ballots in the 2018 midterms were cast, Fani Willis openly boasts about the power Georgia’s Secretary of State has to “control elections” “Secretary of State will definitely be on the ballot. That person controls elections. I wonder if we yet realize that is an important role? SMDH!”" http://twi...tion-in-facebook-posts-hulk%2F
tumbleweed rank	Fri Aug 25 21:42:56 2023 oh no, she "expressed concerns" (& yeah Secretary of State -is- an important role & was held by a Trump-voting R yet luckily held his ground against the criminal theatening him) Trump didn't just express concerns, he flat claimed mass voter fraud over & over w/ claims debunked claims by his own people but......... that.is.not.what.he.has.been.charged.with. indictment pg 2, paragraph 3... " The Defendant had a right, like every American, to speak publicly about the election and even to claim, falsely, that there had been outcome-determinative fraud during the election and that he had won. He was also entitled to formally challenge the results of the election through lawful and appropriate means, such as by seeking recounts or audits of the popular vote in states or filing lawsuits challenging ballots and procedures. Indeed, in many cases, the Defendant did pursue these methods of contesting the election results. His efforts to change the outcome in any state through recounts, audits, or legal challenges were uniformly unsuccessful. " your entire side is incapable of learning the facts of the case... so fucking annoying... (& i fully blame your media... like a fucking Fox host claiming 'the fake electors were just in case he won in court'... when its -specifically- shown not to be the case... & i've never heard even a bullshit word of defense or even of existence of the hiding of docs or the stooge AG...) a completely disinformed cult/party
obaminated rank	Fri Aug 25 21:46:55 2023 Haha this is gonna be a total disaster for the democrats. Why the fuck did they think a local county DA would be prepared and equipped to go up against a former president? We have barely begun to look into her history.
tumbleweed rank	Fri Aug 25 22:10:49 2023 yep, you totally caught her saying milder stuff than Trump & that Trump, nor anyone, has been charged with & the indictments specifically note is legal plus the entirely made-up allegation of having an affair w/ a gang member she's really on the ropes here
obaminated rank	Fri Aug 25 22:15:08 2023 She was using social media platforms and her office to openly question the legitimacy of election results. You are a sad sick, sick individual tw. Real sad to see.
Rugian rank	Fri Aug 25 22:20:54 2023 "the indictments specifically note is legal" This has been explained to you already, but that bullshit boilerplate paragraph you keep rolling out as proof that "they aren't targeting Trump's right to speak!" doesn't at all mitigate the fact that the following 40 pages are devoted to, actually, criminalizing Trump's speech and campaign tactics.
tumbleweed rank	Fri Aug 25 22:21:47 2023 i have no idea what point you are making i have to assume you still are unable to recognize it's not what Trump is charged with... your side incapable of reading the indictments, incapable of watching the hearings, & your news outlets deliberately misleading & lying about it
tumbleweed rank	Fri Aug 25 22:22:35 2023 (^that was to obaminated) "the following 40 pages are devoted to, actually, criminalizing Trump's speech and campaign tactics" yeah, as they were crimes
tumbleweed rank	Fri Aug 25 22:23:29 2023 if your boss asks you to forge a signature, is that free speech?
Rugian rank	Fri Aug 25 22:30:07 2023 "yeah, as they were crimes" Wrong, it's made up bullshit that effectively criminalizes novel attempts to take advantage of election law.
Rugian rank	Fri Aug 25 22:31:40 2023 And also ignores that Trump, as president of the United States, had a duty to investigate what he suspected was a subversion of the electoral results. The fact that Smith thinks that Trump should have been forced to consider those claims as lies because a couple of swamp creatures said as much is absolutely insane.
Rugian rank	Fri Aug 25 22:34:35 2023 Oh, Christopher Krebs claims that 2020 was the most secure election ever? Nothing to see here, Trump and team should be legally bound by his conclusions. Yeah as if Krebs (or ANYONE alive on this planet) is qualified to speak to the integrity of the literally tens of thousands of voting jurisdictions in this country...ridiculous.
Rugian rank	Fri Aug 25 22:48:44 2023 And if Jack Smith truly isn't going against Trump's ability to engage in speech, then why did his announcement of the indictments turn into a diatribe about the January 6 riot and how it was "fueled by lies?" http://www...ack-smith-delivers-statement-0 We're supposed to believe that this has nothing to so with January 6, yet that's what he IMMEDIATELY went to, because OBVIOUSLY that's what this is about. If I'm a Democratic politician who cheered on BLM riots in 2020, I'd be scared shitless about similar charges coming from a Trump DOJ.
tumbleweed rank	Fri Aug 25 23:05:57 2023 "novel attempts to take advantage of election law" putting up knowingly false electors to cause confusion & reject the real ones? having DOJ -lie- to states to get legislatures to ignore the vote & just decide Trump won on completely unproven or disproven allegations? ------------------- "The fact that Smith thinks that Trump should have been forced to consider those claims as lies because a couple of swamp creatures said as much is absolutely insane" ... swamp creatures that he hired (Barr is his hire... & his own campaign team also did not agree w/ him, he had to seek out corrupt shitbags) and what's absolutely insane is to think it's reasonable to believe 10,000 dead people voted when you have no evidence of it... (i focus on the dead voter claim as so easy to understand... either you have a list of 10,000 confirmed dead voters or you don't, but he had HEAPS of nonsense w/ no evidence) like his 'Georgia suitcases' video claim where a voice over claims fraud occuring (that he'll keep saying to this day), MULTIPLE officials told him he's wrong, FBI agents personally interviewed everyone at the site, the full video released by GA officials, the 'suitcases' confirmed to be standard ballot containers, meanwhile there's NO official from even the reddest area who can say 'oh yeah, that's definitely fraud going on'... but yeah, it's reasonable to keep believing the faceless voiceover of the edited video... that's solid evidence why is it so hard to recognize he -does not care- about truth AT ALL... he so incredibly clearly makes up his own reality... as w/ his years long effort to defend Russia on interference (citing NO evidence at all)... or that Saudis didn't know about Khashoggi (as he has business deals)... or that 3-5 million fraud votes for Hillary (citing NO evidence at all, as wanted to win popular vote)... or that 'automatic declassification' is a thing... & makes any sense at all... or that the PRA allows him to take any doc he wants... & -countless- other bullshit... -WHO- else was repeating all his weird ass claims? why was Fox not backing him (not even Hannity) on his Pence plan? ============= which state to this day has it been shown was improperly called for Biden? Trump needs 3 significant ones to have won... & there's a big difference between 0 & 1 here which of Trump's 200,000 GA fraud vote claims to Raffensperger has been proven true? NO, it did NOT make sense to just decide Trump won then & appoint him... NOT AT ALL... as he was trying to get done via multiple methods with pressure on many people (w/ incredibly clearly flimsy or disproven evidence) he wasn't direct boss of many, but the ones he couldn't fire, he could turn his cult against & try to primary them (which he has done to many)
tumbleweed rank	Fri Aug 25 23:12:34 2023 i have no idea who would want this behavior to just be fine... the loser just declares victory on election night, lies lies lies to convince people they're right, pressures states to chuck the votes, thinks the VP who is -on the ticket with them- can unilaterally reject every single vote cast by the entire population... yeah, novel theory... so fucking ridiculous
tumbleweed rank	Sat Aug 26 04:06:36 2023 GOP leader McCarthy: “Why would Joe Biden use the power of government to go after Trump—his leading political opponent? Is he afraid of losing to him? They never indicted Hillary when she—still to this day—claimed the election was stolen from her” http://twi...tatus/1695086844340240502?s=21 not.wthat.trump.charged.with (and Hillary conceded the next day) such a -disgusting- ‘party’... completely down the toilet since inviting the snake in GOP leadership/Fox helping undermine the public’s faith in the justice dept, spouting knowingly false info over and over, all just to protect a single lawless piece of shit...
Cherub Cow rank	Tue Aug 29 01:03:30 2023 [Rugian]: “If I'm a Democratic politician who cheered on BLM riots in 2020, I'd be scared shitless about similar charges coming from a Trump DOJ.” They will be right to be afraid, which is why the DNC is pulling out all the stops in their current criminality to prevent being held accountable. Their absolute need is to prevent a Trump presidency because they know that they’re all traitors. This prosecutor has done and said things 10x worse than Trump could ever dream, so she can only prosecute as the piss rolls down her leg. Tw is in the same boat. His absolute insanity comes from him knowing that he too will be held to account for his support of totalitarian destroyers. Cowards die so many deaths.
murder rank	Tue Aug 29 02:39:12 2023 There's nothing to fear. Kamala is the VP and can reject any electors she wants to. Those are the rules.
tumbleweed rank	Tue Aug 29 04:41:54 2023 nope, the 'DNC' shot themselves in the foot by changing the law... the VP totally had full power to be judge & jury over the election but no longer
Cherub Cow rank	Tue Aug 29 06:09:44 2023 [TDS Bot]: "nope, the 'DNC' shot themselves in the foot by changing the law..." They didn't change it yet, fucktard. The DNC introduced it just before mid-terms to give radicals an incentive but lost the majority before the bill could proceed. They left it on the calendar, and they'll pass it if they can reclaim a majority in 2024 ( http://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/senate-bill/4573 ). [murder]: "Kamala is the VP and can reject any electors she wants to. Those are the rules." Not exactly. It's not the power to outright reject electors for funsies. Obviously, that would be a flaw since the consequence is maliciously rejecting opposition electors as standard practice. By the same logic, the actual rules for rejecting electors do in fact exist. The post-Civil War Congressional rules addressed that states could falsify election requirements otherwise, so there had to be a procedural check on whether or not states had truly followed their election requirements. The general process is that the VP can state that particular electors raise objections. This prompts debate in House and Senate chambers as they address objections for no more than 2 hours. If the objections are sustained in the chambers, then the electors are either outright rejected (i.e., not counted for the total) or (if the electors cause a change of outcome) sent back to the relevant state(s), which must address the objections before the electors will be counted. Some of these points are addressed here: http://con...les-electoral-college-disputes The case of sending the electors back to the faulty states to address objections is considered inconvenient to the wish to end the election on January 6th (i.e., the chambers are incentivized to reject or not reject objections *on* January 6th), but the thinking is that this compromise of sending electors back to the states (which causes a delay) can at least redeem a state's elections (e.g., by having a totally transparent paper-ballot in-person-only initiative which is observed by a national audience). If you simply Google these things, you'll get nothing but Regime propaganda. You have to understand that CNN, AP, Brookings, NBC, and other Regime-captured sources are outright lying so that useful idiots will simply see the lies of their headlines and accept these lies at face value. These are the traps for mental weaklings such as tw. If you *still* trust these sources after all we've seen, you honestly cannot be helped. Maybe try using DuckDuckGo and good-faith search terms and bypassing news outlets. If you still cannot find good-faith sources, at least ask yourself why the DNC totalitarians would be so motivated to allow states to fraudulently certify results which cannot be contested by anyone. This mental exercise does not even require that you *agree* that there was indeed fraud in 2024. Simply ask.. • Do they simply believe that fraud cannot exist at the state-level certification process? If so, this is obviously delusional, and if you cannot see that then you cannot be helped. • Do they truly believe that *removing* a check on fraud makes elections *more* secure? If so, they are obviously as mentally weak as tw and should be drawn and quartered for failing to engage in second-order thinking. But, again, when you realize that the DNC is totally owned by liberty-destroying totalitarians bent on centralizing all government powers through a network of immoral law-breakers, then their actions in dismantling checks on potential bad actors are completely consistent across all levels — from decreasing the barriers that stop criminals in DNC cities to decreasing the barriers that allow fraudulent elections to proceed without any checks. Your unwillingness to see is drawn directly to the reservoir of your resentment, with that resentment being the most useful emotion of the totalitarian's slave caste.
Cherub Cow rank	Tue Aug 29 06:13:06 2023 *"that there was indeed fraud in [2020]"
tumbleweed rank	Tue Aug 29 06:37:20 2023 "The DNC introduced it just before mid-terms" Sponsor: Sen. Collins, Susan M. [R-ME], famous DNC member ---- "The general process is that the VP can state that particular electors raise objections. This prompts debate in House and Senate chambers as they address objections for no more than 2 hours" oh i forgot, you have no fucking idea what Trump ever says or does... voting by congress was NOT part of it at all as they didn't have the votes, it had to be Pence single-handedly (congress objecting already existed, there didn't need to be a Pence plan & you also ignore the offensive corrupt fake electors... but i'm sure you'd claim they only sent them in case Trump won in court (fully disproven)) i'm done reading your posts (i mean it this time... hopefully)... you never know anything
tumbleweed rank	Tue Aug 29 07:05:23 2023 the Eastman memos... that no one on the Right will ever be able to read or see due to TDS: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastman_memos a portion of one... this will be invisible to some: "VP Pence opens the ballots, determines on his own which is valid, asserting that the authority to make that determination under the 12th Amendment, and the Adams and Jefferson precedents, is his alone (anything in the Electoral Count Act to the contrary is therefore unconstitutional). " <a couple corrupt options, then Trump's preferred method>: "VP Pence determines that because multiple electors were appointed from the 7 states but not counted because of ongoing election disputes, neither candidate has the necessary 270 elector votes, throwing the election to the House. IF the Republicans in the State Delegations stand firm, the vote there is 26 states for Trump, 23 for Biden, and 1 split vote. TRUMP WINS" [those "multiple electors" are the real ones & the fake ones... gee, which to choose] also includes this giant piece of corruption in memo 1: "The main thing here is that Pence should do this without asking for permission – either from a vote of the joint session or from the Court. Let the other side challenge his actions in court, where Tribe (who in 2001 conceded the President of the Senate might be in charge of counting the votes) and others who would press a lawsuit would have their past position – that these are non-justiciable political questions – thrown back at them, to get the lawsuit dismissed. The fact is that the Constitution assigns this power to the Vice President as the ultimate arbiter. We should take all of our actions with that in mind." (note the hope that courts won't take up this obvious corrupt bullshit as they'd DEFINITELY fucking lose, why else laying hope on it being dismissed as political question... beyond it being completely fucking obviously corrupt... completely obvious... Pence choosing to just trash valid electors & that's it... nobody else weighing in... see how that sounds odd?? hopefully...) --------- NO fucking voting by congress EVER (other than the 1 vote per state method of making Trump 'win')... no voting, completely OBVIOUSLY, as how the fuck would it lead to Trump winning if congress had a vote? Pence -single-handedly- has to do it (i use that term for a reason... obviously...) so much fucking obvious shit that Trumpers just can't see... disturbing & insane wake the fuck up
Cherub Cow rank	Tue Aug 29 08:15:13 2023 [CC]: "The DNC introduced it just before mid-terms" [TDS Bot]: "Sponsor: Sen. Collins, Susan M. [R-ME], famous DNC member" That's cute, tw. In addition to you preferring a red herring by making *that* your counter-argument rather than admitting that you fucked up by pretending that the bill had already been passed, did you check the co-sponsors page? 23 Democrats co-sponsored versus 15 Republicans. And those 15 Republicans contain Regime sycophants such as Mitch McConnell and Mitt Romney, who gladly serve the uni-party. You still do not understand the difference between parties and the Regime, and so will fall for the Regime propaganda of the "bipartisan bill", much as fools fell for the name of the "Patriot Act". You are merely repeating this history having not learned the lessons. This was a DNC bill. This was a Regime bill. I have said it to you too many times to count, tw: the DNC is totally captured by the totalitarian Regime. The GOP is *mostly* captured. There are only a handful of GOP figures who consistently vote against Regime policies (e.g., Massie, Boebert, Palmer, Paul). Not a single one of them did or would vote for a Regime bill such as this. [TDS Bot]: "oh i forgot, you have no fucking idea what Trump ever says or does..." I realize you're too retarded to understand this point since it requires verbal reasoning aptitude, but Trump's sensational words do not have to be 1:1 with the procedural reality. This goes back to the simple fact that people in the psychosis took Trump's words literally while those of us who can understand meaning could see the things to which he was *referring*. Example metaphors: • Trump will point at a lightbulb and say that it's "the hugest and best lightbulb ever", and people in the psychosis will say that that's a "lie" because it's not "the hugest" or "the best" — missing that it is indeed a lightbulb and that the modifier words were meant to show Trump's appreciation of the lightbulb. • Biden lies about the things to which he is *referring*, which is far more criminal. He will say that it's "the brighest lightbulb ever", while referring to a pile of shit and sending the money that was meant for lightbulb construction to China's Belt-and-Road projects. I do appreciate your red herrings, though. It shows how faulty your mind has become. Gish Gallop and red herrings show the mind of a captured slave. [TDS Bot]: "you never know anything" Ah, more projection. Remind me, how much do you know about ESG? Have you heard of it yet? Still waiting for CNN to tell you what to think of it? [TDS Bot]: "that no one on the Right will ever be able to read or see due to TDS:" It really is adorable that you keep trying to project TDS onto the right. You can keep trying to make that "fetch" happen, but you'll only ever be left in a pile of your own piss and shit and 35+ threads about how much you hate one man who — despite all of the reasons for you hating him — achieved more than you will ever achieve in your miserable life. Remember that, tw.: that as much as you hate him, he will always be a greater man than you ever will be. By becoming a Trump reply-guy on a backwoods forum, you daily sacrifice any chance you have of becoming great. All you can do is substitute resentment for the greatness you deny yourself. [TDS Bot]: "a portion of one... this will be invisible to some" Very interesting, tw. Now, how would you feel if you hadn't had breakfast this morning? I.e., what would those notes mean if they were hypothetical legal avenues being examined as options among many rather than the propagandized narrative of "overturning"? Low-IQ people cannot entertain hypotheticals or understand the "1:1" metaphor above, so you will always lose when it comes to these questions. [TDS Bot]: "[I need to] wake the fuck up" I agree. You do need to wake up. Whenever you're ready, the totalitarians threads are there for you: Thread 9 links all the way back to thread 1 for convenience and summarizes the most important details in the first five comments: http://uto...hread=91952&time=1693271269607 Try to read all threads before responding. Try to read them closely. Absorb. Ruminate. I have explained in great detail that you have been captured by the totalitarian psychosis. The only thing you can see is Trump, which makes you one of the lowest types of psychosis victims — one of the most useful of idiots. You so far have only ever been able to see the magic show on stage. I am showing you behind the curtain. You have been lied to. Far better minds than yours are every day realizing that they have been lied to. Remember these names? Joe Rogan, Jimmy Dore, Bari Weiss, Bret Weinstein, Russell Brand. Why did they turn away from the psychotics despite their leftist sensibilities? Even Ana Kasparian, who was for years a perfect representation of the leftist psychosis, has realized that she was being lied to. Is there hope for you? It starts by following a link to thread 9: http://uto...hread=91952&time=1693271269607 I have read your threads, and all there is is hate for one man and his associates. The world is bigger than one man.
tumbleweed rank	Tue Aug 29 08:21:42 2023 "Trump's sensational words do not have to be 1:1 with the procedural reality" so you still don't think Trump was asking Pence to do what he definitely was asking him to do... bye.
Cherub Cow rank	Tue Aug 29 08:26:25 2023 [TDS Bot]: "bye." I see you have made your choice — "brief, and yet endless." When all you needed was to click a link and read! :) Goodbye, slave. :)
tumbleweed rank	Tue Aug 29 08:30:52 2023 note to others: see how I noted that text would be invisible? the plan is written down, Eastman was with Trump to explain it to Pence, Trump incredibly clearly kept saying Pence could do it on his own and that if Pence ‘did the right thing’ Trump would ‘win’ the election thus an impossibility that it involved Congress voting on objections (which they could do without Pence for that matter) 100.0% clear what the plan was: written down, testified under oath by Pence, never disputed by Trump or anyone, but this psycho lunatic above thinks it’s the complete impossibility, that nobody has ever suggested, instead... and you wonder why it drives me nuts...
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