Utopia Talk / Politics / Hunter can finally relax ed.2

obaminated Member	Fri Aug 25 14:49:16 Tw "a drug addict and his senile dad are innocent and all the evidence that shows the DoJ has been dragging its feet, attempting to suppress evidence, quotes from people involved proving the big guy is Joe biden and was fully involved is bullshit. They are innocent and I don't care that I've kept moving the goalposts, it's totally normal for that to happen."
Rugian Member	Fri Aug 25 14:59:26 "Is there a statue of limitations for corruption and abuse of power?" Davis Weiss has allowed his sham "investigation" to go on for so long that many of Hunter's crimes (f. ex.) Burisma are now beyond the statute of limitations. How this swamp creature was ever trusted with looking into Hunter is totally beyond me.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Aug 25 15:03:59 i guess we'll see if the garbage GOP clowns can put together a case so far it's a whole lot of hand-waving (which i predict just lasts to election... even if they push spineless McCarthy into a hand-waving impeachment inquiry)
Rugian Member	Fri Aug 25 15:37:57 Hey remember that time when you guys impeached Trump because he asked Ukraine to help out with investigating Hunter's numerous acts of corruption (in Ukraine)? If you think Biden isn't going to get impeached for far more serious crimes after you set the bar that low, then you're delusional.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Aug 25 17:00:50 except with Trump there was solid evidence it was for personal reasons (& he wouldn't even let those closest to him, or anyone, testify)... & obviously was not official US business given that wouldn't be the process & his personal lawyer Giuliani wouldn't have been the point person but good luck with your efforts
obaminated Member	Fri Aug 25 17:05:48 Biden forcing the ukranian prosecutors dismissal was definitely not for personal reasons. Gtfo tw.
kargen Member	Fri Aug 25 17:20:01 getting your children and grandchildren millions of dollars for doing nothing is not personal reasons?
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Aug 25 17:35:59 no famous/influential person's child has been hired by anyone ever w/o the famous person providing favors? and i assume this potential impeachment, on acts years further back, wouldn't be "election interference"? but it -is- "election interference" with Trump who is incredibly clearly guilty on docs case & with extremely clear wrong-doing on J6 (though he may escape guilt by sacrificing pawns(lawyers), or by a cultist juror, or by just corruptly canceling prosecution if disastrously winning election)
Rugian Member	Sat Aug 26 08:30:29 The fact that you don't understand the difference between a political impeachment and a criminal prosecution is disturbing.
murder Member	Sat Aug 26 09:22:10 Hunter Biden has been failing upwards for three decades for no reason all on his own merits. lol :o)
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Aug 26 11:49:09 "The fact that you don't understand the difference between a political impeachment and a criminal prosecution is disturbing" remember "lock her up"? also, criminal prosecution is not an option or they WOULD be talking about it (& i'm sure some -are- talking about it... just isn't a possibility)
Rugian Member	Sat Aug 26 12:08:13 "remember "lock her up"?" So when was Hillary arrested? Date and time please. "also, criminal prosecution is not an option or they WOULD be talking about it (& i'm sure some -are- talking about it... just isn't a possibility)" An AG or DA can *prosecute* just about anyone they want...especially when they're corrupting the letter and intent of the law, as Garland's DOJ and special counsel Smith are. Wait until MTG is the next attorney general...Hunter will be facing 1,400 years in jail minimum.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Aug 26 12:11:21 can't indict a sitting president... surprised you haven't heard that before...
murder Member	Sat Aug 26 13:49:28 I don't see why not.
Forwyn Member	Sat Aug 26 14:37:51 "can't indict a sitting president..." Then maybe there will be a #resistance that leaks to the media every other day, and a sustained concerted media effort to challenge him on every policy effort ...right?
obaminated Member	Wed Sep 06 20:15:24 http://www...den-gun-charges-end-month.html You know with all the stress involved with dismissing charges and then changing their mind about it id think they were actively trying to get hunter to relapse.
obaminated Member	Thu Sep 14 13:54:49 Aaaand he has been indicted once again. Wonder if he will flip on the big guy. Someone oughta offer him some crack and see what he is willing to do for it.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Sep 14 14:11:19 "The Hunter Biden indictment on federal gun charges is a move to make you think that the DOJ is fair. Don’t fall for it. They’re trying to protect him from way more serious charges coming his way!" ~ Rep Andy Biggs (team poison)
obaminated Member	Thu Sep 14 14:38:51 I mean, it isn't the first time he was indicted, last time they let him off with parole, until they changed their mind due to public outrage. I'm pretty sure at this time a fair trial is off the table for hunter and no matter what he will be forced to plead guilty and face some jail time. Definitely not 25 years which I think it's excessive for gun charges. Maybe 5 years in a fed pen. But that's just for the gun charges, he definitely has a lot of other shit coming his way.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Sep 14 15:13:47 perhaps all gun owners should be drug tested
Rugian Member	Thu Sep 14 15:17:18 Biden's DOJ literally violated its own guidelines by making Weiss, an insider to the case who already got burned once from trying to get Biden off with a sweetheart plea deal, special counsel. If you think Hunter and his equally corrupt dad are getting anything close to the justice they deserve, then you haven't been paying attention.
obaminated Member	Thu Sep 14 15:42:28 Perhaps all dog owners should be drug tested.
Dukhat Member	Thu Sep 14 16:41:17 Celebrating Hunter being prosecuted by violating a law most on the far-right woukd violently disagree with is the height if hypocrisy.
obaminated Member	Thu Sep 14 16:54:36 I don't think most on the far-right would violently disagree with arresting a crackhead for breaking gun laws.
obaminated Member	Thu Sep 14 16:58:09 It's a Freudian slip on cuckhat/tw/leftist in general. Notice how they don't seem to understand the key difference between punishing a lawful gun owner and an illegal gun owner. They only see gun owner and are blind to anything beyond that. In their eyes, a taxpayer without any criminal record is no different than a methhead in dozens of law violations. Gun owner is all they see. Legal or illegal is completely skipped over in their mentally deficient brain.
Rugian Member	Thu Sep 14 17:06:42 ^ thank you obaminated for saying this. The unmitigated stupidity of the left on this issue is so mind-blowing that it's sometimes difficult to put into words how wrong they are.
obaminated Member	Thu Sep 14 21:23:26 So hunter is naturally pretty depressed and gloomy over not only the new gun charges and the pending congressional investigations but also the million dollars worth of legal fees he is looking at. It's morbid but would anyone be surprised if he kills himself? Honestly that seems pretty likely given his history and character.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Sep 14 22:38:11 given he hasn't already, i doubt it he'll keep pretending to care about his father and schmooze out a pardon
Dukhat Member	Thu Sep 14 23:50:30 Lol. And when people propose gun safety laws to keep guns out of the hands of criminals, you violently oppose it. Fucking hypocrites. Your shit is so thick, no wonder you aren’t able to maintain a relationship with a woman.
obaminated Member	Fri Sep 15 00:32:28 Well.. my shit is pretty thick and most of the wimins like it.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Sep 16 02:22:14 Fox tweet/article: “HARD TIME: The president’s son could be looking at decades in prison if convicted.” doing the stupid maximum sentence for each charge, plus consecutive, calculation... but also priming audience to be outraged when it’s a year or less as is most likely... a first time non-violent offender isn’t getting decades for obtaining a gun for 11 days while addicted to drugs
obaminated Member	Sat Sep 16 02:47:09 Tw apparently doesn't remember the many many many arguments he has had about this over the past 3 or so months. Just like tw doesn't remember moving goalposts. Sad.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Sep 16 11:39:12 true, i don't remember many many many arguments about this (Hunter's gun)... i recall discussing it one time & you laughing at notion of him being a first-time offender yet producing no rap sheet for him i'm not even sure they can prove the case as he bought the gun after a rehab stint... maybe in his mind, at the moment he filled out form, he wasn't lying but him going to prison is fine by me... the longer the better (though there's no way it will be anywhere near maximum)
obaminated Member	Sat Sep 16 12:10:22 His gun charges are the tip of the iceberg and have a max of 25 years. Saying he was too high to realize he was lying is probably a brilliant defense to you, so hopefully he uses it. The gun charges he will have to plead guilty to and that will be at least 5 years. His business dealings are what will destroy him though. He is clearly guilty of it all and that is why the white house has been stressing from the start that the big guy had no knowledge of what hunter was up to; its blatantly clear everything he was doing was illegal. So hunter will rot in jail for that. Connecting Joe to those dealings in a court of law is difficult, because he purposely had so many buffers and idiots like TW will genuinely believe Joe spoke with business partners about the weather during business calls, that's what smart bosses of criminal organizations do, they insulate themselves. But there is a whole lot of circumstantial evidence linking Joe to his sons business and the more they investigate the more they uncover, so its really only a matter of time before he goes down too. Probably why they are so freaked out about hunter getting charged again. They assumed it was all over and now it's blatantly obvious that hunter is going down and they can't bank on the department of Justice being able to shield them from a pissed off American public who want scalps after the bullshit they attempted with hunter earlier.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Sep 16 12:28:38 "His business dealings are what will destroy him though. He is clearly guilty of it all So hunter will rot in jail for that" clearly guilty of what? i haven't even heard team garbage allege a crime over it
obaminated Member	Sat Sep 16 12:36:57 "Guilty of what?" Lol, are you serious? Tax evasion Influence peddling Disclosure of foreign lobbying Accepting funds from foreign entities For fucks sake, his random car gift following a sit down with the big guy himself is clearly quid pro quo.
obaminated Member	Sat Sep 16 12:38:16 Again, hunters guilt here is beyond a shadow of a doubt, that is why the white house has adamantly claimed that the big guy had no knowledge of any of it. Hunter is going down big time.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Sep 16 13:46:06 "Accepting funds from foreign entities" isn't a crime but i -have- heard 'failure to register as foreign agent' tossed around prepare to be disappointed in how much he gets charged with & sentenced to if convicted although your side's bosses will secretly be pleased to use as fuel to stir up outrage (plus obviously they have to maintain false notion that the DOJ is weaponized against R's)
obaminated Member	Sat Sep 16 13:50:54 Accepting funds from foreign entities ties into foreign lobbying, quid pro quo and influence peddling you blockhead.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Sep 16 15:33:00 if it's 'clearly' proven, then what did Joe do for everybody?
obaminated Member	Sat Sep 16 15:50:25 I can't tell if you are being this retarded or if you are baiting me into something. I'm leaning towards you just being retarded.
obaminated Member	Sat Sep 16 15:54:14 I guess you genuinely think Joe was on 20 different business calls and truly only spoke of the weather. I mean, you also thought it was totally normal for a sitting VP to randomly join a dinner party with his son and many of his sons foreign business partners. You also thought it was normal for Joe to specifically call for the firing of the prosecutor looking into the corrupt business Joe's son was part of.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Sep 16 17:52:08 nobody ever said he was on 20 different -business- calls & the dinner party included the prime minister of Kazakhstan amongst the guests, so no it's not clearly anything & your side brought up that prosecutor 4 years ago & yet to prove anything... & it was established then that the international community wanted the guy gone too, not just Joe mysteriously getting rid of him (plus removing a prosecutor wouldn't automatically end investigations anyway)
kargen Member	Sat Sep 16 17:56:33 "Lol. And when people propose gun safety laws to keep guns out of the hands of criminals, you violently oppose it." What specific law do you have in mind that would keep guns out of the hands of criminals?
obaminated Member	Sat Sep 16 19:02:49 Archer testified Joe biden was on 20 different business calls. Does that change your position at all tw? Having a private dinner with business executives and foreign dignitaries outside of what is scheduled by the white house is not normal and is incredibly suspect when his son is involved with them. Does that change your position at all tw? Your entire argument about the prosecutor is that "other people wanted him gone too". That does not exonerate Joe biden at all. Does that change your position at all tw? Of course it doesn't. None of it does. You are a hack.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Sep 16 22:06:09 "Archer testified Joe biden was on 20 different business calls" he did NOT testify that they were business calls, i believe he specifically testified NOT business in fact Hunter would be out & about or at parties & call Joe & put him on speakerphone... Hunter showing off to business partners & friends: Yes; proof Joe was doing any business whatsoever: Not one bit ----------------- "Having a private dinner... Does that change your position at all tw? " no, & i don't know that it's not normal... & as i have said before, it makes no sense to be doing clandestine dealings when multiple unrelated people present, there would be an -actual- private dinner ---------------- "That does not exonerate Joe biden at all" it doesn't have to exonerate him... your side has to prove the guilt & have failed w/ 4 years of looking at it & the laptop of the crackhead son who was supposedly orchestrating everything... finding many texts/emails, but zero orchestration ones... perhaps as it never happened... (i don't even recall it being a particularly notable issue in the 2020 campaign so obviously wasn't considered hands down proof of bribery like your side pretends now)
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Sep 16 22:09:06 ^ that's referring to the prosecutor firing (not the laptop in general... which your side DID pretend was a big deal despite it not establishing anything... as proven given how long its taken to reluctantly enter even just an inquiry & requiring doing it w/ no vote, against what McCarthy had just said he'd do)
obaminated Member	Sun Sep 17 01:21:01 No. They were business calls. He claims they only spoke of non business topics while Joe was on the business call, hence the laughably absurd "talking about the weather meme". Why are you even pretending like this is a sticking point to you? This is why I find it so hard to have even a begrudging respect for your opinions. You don't actually have standards. You simply oppose anything that might benefit trump in any way. Joe was on business calls and you don't care. Be honest about it and stop feigning like you have a modicum of ethical standards that you will hold your side to.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sun Sep 17 12:11:56 you are going by team garbage's characterizations rather than the testimony: " Q -- have you ever been privy to Hunter Biden calling his father around other either potential business investors or other foreign nationals who Hunter Biden or you may have been trying to work with or were working with? A Yes. Q Can you please tell the committee about that? A Again, it's -- as far as specifics, we can talk about it. But, you know, Hunter spoke to his dad every day, right? And so in certain circumstances, when you're in -- you know, if his dad calls him at dinner and he picks up the phone, then there's a conversation. And the, you know, the conversation is generally about the weather and, you know, what it's like in Norway or Paris or wherever he may be. But that was -- yeah, that happened " [not weird for a father & son to have a conversation about whatever place he's traveled to (including weather)... the associates overhearing just as happened to be present] " Q Are you aware of Hunter Biden putting his -- or have been told that Hunter Biden put his father on speakerphone during any of these interactions that you're just describing now? A Yes. Q Can you please tell us about that? A He put him on speakerphone, again, occasionally. Specifics, like, you know, dinner -- you know, dinners occasionally. Q Can you tell us about those dinners? A Yeah. I remember a dinner in Paris with a French energy company that was -- we were speaking to an advisor, and then -- we were speaking to. And it was really a Rosemont Seneca Advisors type of -- a Rosemont Seneca Advisors kind of a pitch, at the end of the day. And there was a talk, and he said that we're at this -- you know, we're at this restaurant in Paris, and he put him on the speaker. So that did happen. There were other people there. ... But just on -- as far as, like, a blanket for all of them, let's just go with the -- there was not a specific time that I witnessed a, you know, specific business deal or business dealings or, you know, specifics about any kind of financial stuff. Mr. Jordan. Would he just say, like, "Hey, guys, my dad's on the phone. Dad, can you say hi to" Mr. Archer. Yeah. Mr. Jordan. -- you know -- Mr. Archer. There you go. See? Politician. Mr. Jordan. Well, I'm sure that that took place in addition to just talking about the weather. Mr. Archer. Yeah " [you can -presume- Joe was talking about business (as you will), but that's NOT proof of that at all... entirely possible it's just Hunter showing off (or Joe calling in to check on him)]
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sun Sep 17 12:14:43 here's the actual testimony, find your proof http://ove...08/Devon-Archer-Transcript.pdf
obaminated Member	Sun Sep 17 16:41:56 "Why are you even pretending like this is a sticking point to you? This is why I find it so hard to have even a begrudging respect for your opinions. You don't actually have standards. You simply oppose anything that might benefit trump in any way." It's amusing that I have said this or a similar variation to you many many many times and it never sinks in. You are not worth arguing with tw. That is what this statement means. You can spam as many replies as you want. Joe biden was on 20 business calls over the course of 10 years. This is testimonial fact. You refuse to accept it and would rather believe Joe was only on the line to talk about non-business topics. Because that is what coworkers do during conference calls, talk about things unrelated to their shared business. But it doesn't matter anyways because you don't care. So you aren't worth engaging with, you morally dishonest hermit.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sun Sep 17 21:07:00 no one involved has said it was 20 business calls nor conference calls (and the person saying 20 specifically says -not- about business) (plus that wouldn’t even establish bribery even if you were right, which you aren’t) your problem is you trust the Daily Mail and other garbage
murder Member	Tue Sep 26 10:51:32 Hunter Biden sues Rudy Giuliani Hunter Biden filed a civil lawsuit Tuesday against Rudy Giuliani and his former attorney, claiming they caused “total annihilation” of his digital privacy and violated federal and state computer privacy laws through their alleged efforts to hack his devices. In the lawsuit filed in federal court in California, Hunter Biden accuses Giuliani and Robert Costello of spending years “hacking into, tampering with, manipulating, copying, disseminating, and generally obsessing over data that they were given that was taken or stolen from” his devices. “Plaintiff has demanded Defendants Giuliani and Costello cease their unlawful activities with respect to Plaintiff’s data and return any data in their possession belonging to Plaintiff, but they have refused to do so,” attorneys for Hunter Biden wrote in the lawsuit. “Defendants’ statements suggest that their unlawful hacking activities are ongoing today and that, unless stopped, will continue into the future, thereby necessitating this action.” Tuesday’s lawsuit is the latest that Hunter Biden has brought as he pursues an aggressive legal strategy against his detractors. It comes as Republicans launch an impeachment inquiry into his father, President Joe Biden, that’s also examining Hunter Biden’s business dealings. “Everyone involved in stealing and manipulating Hunter’s data should be hearing footsteps right about now,” a source on Hunter’s legal team told CNN. Earlier this month, Hunter Biden brought a similar civil suit against former Trump White House aide Garrett Ziegler, claiming that since leaving his White House post, Ziegler “has devoted most of his waking time and energy” on the effort to access devices that purportedly belonged to Hunter Biden. And last week, Hunter Biden sued the Internal Revenue Service, alleging its agents illegally released his tax information and that the agency failed to protect his private records. The latest lawsuit also adds to mounting legal woes for Rudy Giuliani, who is facing multiple civil and criminal actions stemming from his actions after the 2020 election. CNN has reached out to Giuliani and Costello for comment. Hunter Biden’s attorneys allege in the lawsuit that the former New York mayor has “not only admitted but bragged about downloading data from Plaintiff’s ‘laptop’ (even though he only had a hard drive) onto his own computer; about using his own computer to access, tamper with and manipulate the downloaded data; and about maintaining multiple copies of the data for his and Defendant Costello’s personal use.” As an example, they pointed to an episode of Giuliani’s podcast ‘America’s Mayor Live’ in February 2023. According to the lawsuit, in a video of the podcast, Giuliani “held up a laptop computer on camera and announced: ‘This belongs to Hunter Biden.’” “He proceeded to brag about having copied Plaintiff’s data onto his own computer and about having accessed, analyzed and manipulated the transferred data,” the lawsuit states. The suit accuses Giuliani and Costello of breaking both federal and California state computer privacy laws and asks for a jury trial in the matter. http://www...dy-giuliani-lawsuit/index.html
obaminated Member	Tue Sep 26 11:03:56 Hunter bidens attorneys are now admitting the laptop was in fact hunters. They been denying it was his was a pretty long time. This is after his attorneys decided to sue the irs. I don't think the crackhead has hired the best team to defend him.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Sep 26 11:52:38 your side has had 'the laptop was real!' shocking reveal stories in about 4 different time periods problem is nothing on the laptop proves anything (which is never noted, of course)... but saying 'laptop was real!' makes people think the spun narrative is real (& that letter of 51 intel officials didn't even say it wasn't real...)
obaminated Member	Thu Sep 28 10:57:05 http://www...leged-links-Hunters-deals.html Impeachment proceedings begin today. A brief article on all that we know so far. More than enough circumstantial evidence to sink any republican politician. But this is a Democrat and until recently this Democrat was the best and only hope to keep the orange man away. That shield is gone and now the media is reading to devour the big guy and his shit bird family.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Sep 28 11:48:41 the joke of a committee chairman Comer: http://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1707422188452618253 - Dem tries to get evidence admitted by proper procedure (the '5 mins' is for questioning) - Comer: denying... "you've already had your share of evidence" apparently there's a cap on quantity of evidence
obaminated Member	Thu Sep 28 11:57:46 20 shell companies 9 biden family members and friends benefitted from it 24 million bucks in total "Nothing to see here" "Joe had no clue why hunter kept calling him during business conference calls!"
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Sep 28 13:38:51 Trump has ~500 shell companies, think anything shady going on there? & those alleged 20 shell companies & alleged money are about 'Biden family members -AND associates- (who got 2/3rd of it from what i've seen, not that team garbage ever notes it)... a pretty unfair cut if Joe doing it all (plus Joe NOT being one of the 'family members') & of course no explanation give for what Joe is supposedly doing for any of it... & no messages/texts of anyone accidentally mentioning it... the crackhead & senile guy sure run a tight ship
obaminated Member	Thu Sep 28 13:55:08 "Never refer to the big guy by his name unless face to face. I know you know but these guys are paranoid." Lol, tw, ever the useful idiot.
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