Utopia Talk / Politics / McCarthy launches Impeachment

obaminated Member	Tue Sep 12 10:48:13 http://www...iden-hunter-foreign-deals.html About a month ago TW was posting pretty routinely that the fact that Mccarthy hadn't started impeachment proceedings against Joe biden was evidence enough that all these connections to hunters businesses were fact or entirely above board. I said then, that once Mccarthy did eventually start impeachment proceedings against Joe biden, that TW would abandon his argument and make up another one for why it was totally normal for Joe Biden to be involved with Hunters business deals. Who wants to bet I'm right?
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Sep 12 11:46:50 i said given he was reluctant to open even an -inquiry- showed they didn't have proof and he now is pathetically giving in to starting just the inquiry (amongst threats of ousting him of leader) but avoiding a vote on it (which he criticized Dems for) as it would fail McCarthy shown to be pathetic (& hypocritical) yet again ...& yes, it shows no proof of anything or R's would be happy to all vote for it (& would've done it awhile ago), so i maintain my position
obaminated Member	Tue Sep 12 11:47:55 Lol, tw is a joke confirmed.
obaminated Member	Tue Sep 12 11:49:55 Tw, you will never move your position because you have zero shame is unabashedly moving goalposts. That's why you are a joke. Hunter could completely throw his dad under the bus and confess that his dad was directly involved and you would be the first to argue that hunter is a junkie and probably lying for a more lenient sentence.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Sep 12 11:55:50 i will move my position if they actually establish anything, which they haven't (about JOE, i don't give a shit about Hunter) you keep saying i'm moving goalposts... NOPE, re-read any comment here's Matt Gaetz (of Trump cult) saying McCarthy's weak offer on inquiry ("rattled performance") not enough to satisfy him: http://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1701633496953815386 he's been under pressure from the crazies for awhile w/ new obstacles arising... so yeah, just a pathetic man doing pathetic shit, indicates nothing
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Sep 12 12:02:27 why is McCarthy doing it -now-? (what new Biden info has arisen in last days) why is McCarthy skipping a vote on it, against his alleged beliefs? i predict a long drawn out inquiry leading nowhere but w/ many insinuations, just for election purposes (as i've predicted the whole time)
obaminated Member	Tue Sep 12 12:44:49 "Why is Mccarthy doing it now?" Lol. Tw is so used to politicians doing things specifically timed, like trumps various indictments.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Sep 12 13:19:12 whatever dude more strife: Matt Gaetz: "When @SpeakerMcCarthy makes his announcement in moments, remember that as I pushed him for weeks, @kilmeade said I was: “Speaking into the wind” on impeachment. Turns out, the wind may be listening!" Marjorie Greene reply to above: "Correction my friend. I introduced articles of impeachment against Joe Biden for his corrupt business dealings in Ukraine & China while he was Vice President on his very first day in office. You wouldn’t cosponsor those and I had to drag you kicking and screaming to get you to cosponsor my articles on the border. Who’s really been making the push?"
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Sep 12 15:15:26 McCarthy a whole two weeks ago: "To open an impeachment inquiry is a serious matter, and House Republicans would not take it lightly or use it for political purposes. The American people deserve to be heard on this matter through their elected representatives,” McCarthy told Breitbart News. “That’s why, if we move forward with an impeachment inquiry, it would occur through a vote on the floor of the People’s House and not through a declaration by one person." http://www...-would-occur-vote-house-floor/ and now occurs through declaration by one person... but we've known he was pathetic garbage for years
obaminated Member	Tue Sep 12 15:49:05 Lol, tw is having a hard time reconciling this. Tw, what if Mccarthy believes impeachment is a serious action and is still moving to impeach biden?
obaminated Member	Tue Sep 12 16:03:22 "It's estimated Hunter raked in $40 million through 20 shell companies and fake accounts created while Joe Biden was vice president, at the same time the elder Biden was joining Hunter's business calls and stopping by at lavish dinners." Nothing to see here - tw as he hurriedly begins shoving goalposts into the trunk of his Renault Megane.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Sep 12 17:50:48 it's very easy to reconcile & i've moved no goalposts
obaminated Member	Tue Sep 12 18:42:32 Lol
murder Member	Tue Sep 12 19:11:44 This wouldn't be happening if the justice department would've rounded up all the insurrectionist members of Congress. Biden did this to himself.
Rugian Member	Tue Sep 12 19:29:13 You are trying way too hard to be edgy.
kargen Member	Tue Sep 12 19:53:47 The left has been very careful to always use the word "directly" when defending the president. He didn't directly benefit. He didn't directly take money. He didn't directly provide assistance to... Not directly is basically how any head of a crime syndicate works.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Sep 12 21:11:18 “He didn't directly provide assistance to... ” then what are you accusing him of?
kargen Member	Tue Sep 12 21:56:51 corruption across a vast spectrum of instances. That there is always a middle man doesn't matter. In fact it adds another whole level to the crimes and misuse of power he continues to flaunt.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Sep 12 23:24:56 "corruption across a vast spectrum of instances" "the crimes and misuse of power he continues to flaunt" such as... (skipping over the Ukrainian prosecutor that we've known about for years but have yet to link corruption)
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Sep 12 23:41:13 also weird that there's no urgency by the GOP & in fact not even able to succeed in an inquiry vote if they actually believed what the garbage squad is pushing...
obaminated Member	Wed Sep 13 00:19:31 "No urgency" Lol. The wheels of justice move slowly tw. Criminals don't get extra points for causing the prosecution to take their time before filing their case.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Sep 13 00:57:18 it isn't the wheels of justice & a president taking bribes & 'flaunting his crimes & misuses of power' would warrant urgency
kargen Member	Wed Sep 13 01:12:25 why you want to skip the Ukraine corruption? How about a trip to China where Hunter tagged along and then several Biden family members got huge checks? And even though I think President Biden is absolutely corrupt I think the impeachment inquiry is a bad idea. Better to go after all the people that helped the Bidens hide the corruption. The impeachment deserved as it is will only give cause for a listless left to get out and vote. And yeah there should be urgency but when you have Garland and others running interference is tends to muck things up.
Cherub Cow Member	Wed Sep 13 03:51:37 It’s weird if McCarthy still cares about whether the GOP uses impeachment “politically”. The DNC did it, and every commie should have his or her helicopter ride.
murder Member	Wed Sep 13 05:13:36 Impanel a grand jury to investigate the ongoing insurrection in Congress. Lets see who can actually dig up evidence of illegal activity.
Cherub Cow Member	Wed Sep 13 06:14:46 As a counter to the DNC’s brand of lawfare (e.g., slavish grand juries from the D.C. or NYC area), any grand jury investigating the DNC’s congressional insurrection would need to be composed entirely of the most committed Trump voters. The criminal fraud liar Biden deserves nothing less.
patom Member	Wed Sep 13 09:07:43 The wheels of law run slowly? I suppose that means they will dig Billy Carter up out of the grave and indict him? Its been 30 or so years of them trying to have the Clintons do a Perp Walk to jail. How slow do you want to go?
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Sep 13 11:53:00 it may speed up if the idiots & cultists elect the fucking disaster back into office, given he's running on jailing political opponents & has never been concerned about any actual crimes occurring
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Sep 13 11:56:01 "why you want to skip the Ukraine corruption?" because your side been claiming it for 4 years & still no proof of anything "How about a trip to China where Hunter tagged along and then several Biden family members got huge checks? " that didn't happen... the money was years later, & also that establishes nothing about Joe or any crime
patom Member	Wed Sep 13 12:25:06 Makes one wonder where all the illegal votes were? Trump told all his faithful that those 8 million votes were all illegal. Just like the 3 million he was shy of in 2016. All illegal per the Trumpster. Does anyone believe that they will bring any proof of those illegal votes out in the open? Reminds me of the old BurgerKing Commercial "Where's the Beef?" 'Where's the Proof'? Or as my mother was fond of saying "Shit or get off the pot".
Cherub Cow Member	Wed Sep 13 13:08:15 The real way to read the words of a low-information person like patom is not “Where’s the proof?” but “When will the Regime permit me to know the truth?” People such as patom, tw, ep, murder, and Seb do not have the conscience, curiosity, or the very will to learn the truth. It is beyond them always. They wait for CNN, BBC, or AP to tell them what is “true”, and leftists always guard truth from the weak because it might displease them and make them less useful. .. “it may speed up if the idiots & cultists elect the fucking disaster back into office, given he's running on jailing political opponents & has never been concerned about any actual crimes occurring” No, I don’t think the fucking disaster Biden will be elected back into office. Who would vote for a pedophile? Who would vote for a pedophile *twice*? Idiots and cultists, surely, but will they have enthusiasm this time? The more psychotic ones have no shortage of enthusiasm, since you could just say, “Trump!” and they’ll bark like dogs, but the DNC seems to have other plans for 2024 (e.g., fraud, WWIII, a55a55ination).
patom Member	Wed Sep 13 13:18:32 Cherub, Where's the proof?? You throw out accusations all over the place but no proof. If you had verifiable proof, why haven't you had Biden in court? Why hasn't he been arrested and why isn't he behind bars?? Where I grew up back in the Philly area we had a name for that 'Blowing smoke'. WHERE'S the PROOF?
obaminated Member	Wed Sep 13 13:36:27 "Why hasn't the president of the United States been arrested!?!?!"
murder Member	Wed Sep 13 14:02:00 "WHERE'S the PROOF?" The pillow guy is keeping it secret until the big reveal next month on pay per view. ;o)
murder Member	Wed Sep 13 14:02:38 "Why hasn't the president of the United States been arrested!?!?!" What are you talking about? Trump has been arrested over and over again.
kargen Member	Wed Sep 13 15:33:58 "because your side been claiming it for 4 years & still no proof of anything" There is all kinds of proof including a video of Biden bragging about his actions. There is a failure in acting on that proof by the people in charge.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Sep 13 15:57:51 "There is all kinds of proof including a video of Biden bragging about his actions" a video you've had for 4 years... & him doing it publicly as if not hiding anything... "a failure in acting on that proof by the people in charge" who was in charge 4 years ago? (& it's been R's at the head of the FBI both admins... & no they didn't spy on Trump's campaign, & they didn't tell Twitter to do anything at all to hurt Trump or hide laptop story)
kargen Member	Wed Sep 13 17:09:04 turns out the wrong people were in charge in several key positions. Thanks for asking so that could be clarified.
patom Member	Wed Sep 13 17:12:04 kargen, if you have the proof, might I suggest you contact your new BFF Lauren Boebert. She will dutifully turn that proof over to her BFF MTGreene, who will march it to her fantasy lover DJT while bowing and asking for permission to suck his dick.
Cherub Cow Member	Wed Sep 13 18:57:03 [patom]: “Cherub, Where's the proof??” Like I said, I’ve realized with low-IQ useful idiots such as yourself and tw that proof is irrelevant. I could parade it in front of you, and you would look over to CNN to tell you if you can believe it. People like you still believe that proof is enough to cross all barriers — that even the greatest liars would bend to its will. It seems not to occur to you that totalitarian psychopaths have thoroughly made sure that you never hear the proof and that it never advances through their corrupt bureaucracies. In your twilight moments, you may hear about Soros and ESG-funded NGOs buying activist DAs and placing immoralists and Marxists into positions of power, but even then it does not dawn on you what the result of this strategy would be. In some unrealized mental effort, you might find that the cost of resentful destroyers in positions of power would be a society built on destruction and anarcho-tyranny’s asymmetric application of power, but you expend no such mental effort, resigning yourself to thoughts already given to you by your god: the Party. This leaves you with the simple reality ignored by many such slaves: finding the truth requires that you yourself search for it, but a slave of the Party waits for it to be placed at his feet — where you can only walk over it. You and many others have been trained not to see the truth but to see only the endorsements of The Party. The Party does not endorse the truth.
patom Member	Thu Sep 14 05:06:24 Cherub Cow, in other words you have NO Proof. You remind me of Nixon. Never use a simple answer when you can run on for paragraphs and say nothing.
Dukhat Member	Thu Sep 14 07:15:19 CherubCow calling other people low iq, Lol
Cherub Cow Member	Sat Sep 16 19:53:15 [Projection Bot (Dukhat)]: "CherubCow calling other people low iq, [/] Lol" Projection Bot once again living up to his projection programming. Dukhat has never said anything insightful. Few could even pretend that Dukhat is less than two standard deviations of intelligence away from UP's worst bottom-feeders. .. [CC]: "finding the truth requires that you yourself search for it, but a slave of the Party waits for it to be placed at his feet — where you can only walk over it. You and many others have been trained not to see the truth but to see only the endorsements of The Party." [patom]: "Cherub Cow, in other words you have NO Proof." Fucking hilarious, patom. You admitted to being a fucking moron in front of everyone — not that this should surprise anyone. You're the same piece of shit who was moderating Jolt's authoritarian-psychopathy forums, making that shit-hole even more of a shit-hole than it needed to be by suppressing the speech of anyone who came ten feet from even thinking about violating Jolt policies, you statist swine. Counter-thoughts have always been dangerous to your pathetic little intellect, and seeking power over those greater than you has always been a bedrock of your impotent resentment. That said, patom is illiterate, as are many leftists (e.g., Dukhat, tw, Seb, ep), so he cannot comprehend any of this (as already demonstrated in his response), but for the posterity of passers-by who might appreciate patom's stupidity illustrated more clearly: I have been laying out evidence of the DNC's insurrection for years now. I have catalogued this evidence here in UP in the totalitarians threads so that it can be referenced by anyone willing to click and read. There are *mountains* of evidence that the DNC did indeed exact a massive fraud scheme to tilt the scales in their favor for the 2020 election. We have direct evidence of.. • illegal bypassing of the First Amendment via a collusion with BigTech (e.g., Hunter Biden laptop, Facebook censorship, Twitter infiltration) • illegal use of the DoJ to enact anarcho-tyranny (e.g., politically directed election prosecutions and non-prosecutions) • illegal ballot-harvesting and muling (e.g., NGO activism) • illegal counting of illegitimate votes (e.g., Pennsylvania's broken election laws) • election lawfare to break state constitutions via activists (e.g., "Time" article) • illegal court rulings (e.g., Pennsylvania's lie of "disenfranchising" voters which — ironically — would "occur" via the courts obeying the law (i.e., a judge outright ruled that throwing out illegal ballots would disenfranchise voters)) But, people such as patom fall for the Regime's propaganda tactics. Why? I said this of the leftist mind-disease in the trans threads: http://uto...hread=91730&time=1687529672823 The leftist mind functions on.. • pure echo chamber logic, • a misplaced trust in credentialism and Regime media, and • a chronic lack of curiosity. This ensnares them in the doublethink of the Celebration Parallax, where even when they are exposed to the next rung in the ladder (e.g., "even if that's happening.."), they automatically activate their Faith in Party and adopt the fallback position ("it's a good thing!"). Celebration Parallax explanation: [American Mind; Michael Anton; July 26th, 2021] http://ame...ening-and-its-good-that-it-is/ • A person caught in the Parallax will deny the Regime's position when the truth hurts but they are unaware that it is indeed true (e.g., "Conspiracy theory!"). • As obfuscation fails, they continuously take fallback positions while retaining no memory of their original objection with the truth (e.g., "It's not as bad as you say!"). • Once they learn the truth, they will celebrate it (e.g., "It's a good thing!"). Simultaneously, they will revert to "it's not happening" if the "good thing" is described in a bad way. In patom's case, he is a victim of credentialism's delusions, since he is a Party sycophant. The Party sycophant will *only* believe the "truth" told by the Party. This means that if you want too show him evidence of election fraud, he will *only* believe it if related to him by CNN, MSNBC, NYT, or another Regime source. These sources *only* operate on the Celebration Parallax, so 1) They will avoid telling useful idiots such as patom the unfiltered truth for as long as possible. 2) *when* they will admit to truth and fraud they call it "a good thing", as in the Time article; they play semantic games so that people such as patom never understand that they are being duped. So, leftists such as patom cannot see the truth since they only "verify" truth through liars (Regime media). Leftists such as patom, being incurious mental weaklings, will never seek out the truth for themselves because this removes them from the Panoptic approval of the Regime. A good Regime sycophant knows when his thoughts have begun to stray from the approved thoughts of the Regime, so he will turn off a video or stop reading when the words of the Regime call into his head, "[Read no further! This is wrongthink!]" Notice, for example, how the leftist's primary critique of counter-news is almost always, "[Hah! You're citing [Fox News! / a YouTuber! / an independent journalist! / a 'resurcher'! / etc.] The Regime tells me they're wrong!]" This is the totalitarian sycophant's credentialism-based thought-terminating cliché. I.e., if he does not see an approved source, his mind immediately turns off. This is how the Soviet peasant was trained to believe only Pravda, or the Maoist only the CCP, or Cambodians only the Khmer Rouge. They believe that the truth can only be a product of The Party, and so their minds turn away from truth and erode into nothing but Party Dogma. Meanwhile, someone *not* in the psychosis will willingly go down any number of rabbit holes to evaluate even the most dangerous or Regime-disapproved narratives. This means listening even to the most despicable of thinkers to evaluate the strength of their arguments. But weaklings such as patom will simply wait for the Regime to become honest! He presents the impossible task: show him the truth — but only the truth that his favorite liars would admit! Patom will seek no such truth. Like tw, his mind is just a Manchurian Candidate's waiting for its next activation energy: the inevitable role he must play as a Biden voter: picking a dangerous, mentally ill, arrested development, child-minded, zero intellectual curiosity, fully detached-from-truth piece of shit, who very clearly makes shit up regularly and is a cult leader and criminal (scrubbed from here http://utopiaforums.com/boardthread?id=politics&thread=92061&time=1694845564347 ). This is the legacy of our current leftists: voting for a diaper-shitting pedophile totalitarian whose daily policies sell the West to enslavers and destroyers. These weaklings would open the castle gates to try to hug men who run at them with spears, yet we are to trust their ignorance!
patom Member	Sun Sep 17 06:17:46 Hell of a rant there CC. Yawn ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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