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murder
Member Wed Sep 13 13:50:53
Elon Musk told biographer that Trump is 'the world champion of bullshit'

Elon Musk told his biographer that he was no fan of Donald Trump after it became clear after his election that the wild statements he gave during the 2016 presidential election were not act.

"Trump might be one of the world's best bullshitters," Musk told Walter Isaacson, according to Isaacson's "Elon Musk." "Like my dad. Bullshitting can sometimes baffle the brain. If you just think of Trump as a sort of con-man performance, then his behavior makes sense."

Isaacson tries to trace Musk's politics throughout the book, noting how he once waited in line for six hours to shake President Barack Obama's hand before somewhat endorsing House Republicans ahead of the 2022 midterms. Musk's biographer also tries to trace the billionaire's relationship with Trump, which began with cautious optimism after the 2016 presidential election and slowly morphed into a disgust for what Isaacson described as "buffoonery."

"He seems kind of nuts, but he may turn out to be okay," Musk said after talking with then-President-elect Trump both with fellow tech CEOs and later in a private meeting.

Musk would later join White House councils but would ultimately leave the advisory boards following Trump's decision to pull the US out of the Paris Climate Accord.

After he bought Twitter, there was speculation that Musk would move quickly to unban the now-former president after Trump was kicked off the platform following the January 6 Capitol riot. Musk told Isaacson that he was completely prepared to leave Trump's ban in place if a public poll about the future of the ban went in another direction. After more than 15 million votes, Twitter users voted narrowly in favor of lifting the ban.

"I'm not Trump's fan," Musk told Isaacson. "He's disruptive. He's the world champion of bullshit."

http://www...lter-isaacson-biography-2023-9

murder
Member Wed Sep 13 13:52:23

In fairness, Trump has never told anyone that he's building a Trump Hotel on Mars with humanoid robot labor. ;o)

earthpig
GTFO HOer Thu Sep 14 01:27:30
I'm no more a fan of Musk than I am of Trump, but also in fairness... it might actually be the case that we do some of that sci fi bullshit 100 years from now, using tech that Musk funded the development of.

A colleague of mine has a wife at SpaceX that signed a NDA, and is actually apparently following it, so I don't know what she's working on.

But she's not an engineer, software or hardware. She's not qualified to code AI or design rockets.

She works in the squishy sciences, involving humans. Ph.D level. Squishyware, our bodies.

obaminated
Member Thu Sep 14 01:33:53
Musks starlink literally saved Ukraine.

earthpig
GTFO HOer Thu Sep 14 01:36:14
Musk not realizing he's an autistic nerd rather than a foreign policy wonk delayed the attack on the Sevastopol drydocks by the better part of a year.

murder
Member Thu Sep 14 09:26:24

"Musks starlink literally saved Ukraine."

Yeah because up until Elon came along warfare was impossible. Did Starlink also save the Russians?

It's amazing the things that people will believe.

obaminated
Member Thu Sep 14 10:44:48
http://www...r-russia-funding/32091045.html

murder
Member Thu Sep 14 10:51:24

That's nice. And SpaceX is invalauable to the US space program. You know why? Because we made it invaluable to the US space program. But believe it or not, the US put men on the moon without Elon's help. In fact they did it before he was even born.

The reason that Ukraine is relying on Starlink is because that's what the US government chose for it ... likely because they wanted to prove the concept.

But the US has fought wars clear on the other side of the Earth without the aid of Starlink.

obaminated
Member Thu Sep 14 13:47:09
"We have won wars without steel before. Why would we ditch iron now?"

You are fucking dumb, murder.

Also starlink was basically Elon musks pet project and it pretty quickly proved its worth in a real world scenario.

And you immediately dismiss how valuable it is.

Once again, you are fucking dumb.

And that's not a hyperbolic insult we see so frequently on this sub. You are objectively dumb.

murder
Member Thu Sep 14 14:10:22

"Also starlink was basically Elon musks pet project ..."

http://www...bet-on-leo-for-space-security/

You'd be amazed at how many of Elon's projects can be traced back to DARPA.

murder
Member Thu Sep 14 14:13:03

http://www...t-constellation-of-satellites/

obaminated
Member Thu Sep 14 14:43:05
... did darpa save Ukraine or did starlink?

Once again, you are objectively dumb and your arguments do not do you any favors.

murder
Member Thu Sep 14 16:43:17

I have to assume that you know that DARPA is a government (DoD) agency.

The answer then is obvious.

The US and European allies "saved" Ukraine. Starlink is one way that the US government chose to assist Ukraine.

obaminated
Member Thu Sep 14 17:01:37
Was starlink part of the department of defense in Feb 2022?

murder
Member Thu Sep 14 17:20:50

Free speech absolutist Elon Musk sings that "Taiwan is an integral part of China" while Xi Jinping drinks a glass of water ... drawing a standing ovation from Beijing.

obaminated
Member Thu Sep 14 17:29:55
The answer is no, in Feb 2022 starlink was not part of the dod. Elon giving Ukraine access to starlink at the start of the Russian invasion was something he did on his own and it literally saved Ukraine from being completely conquered.

jergul
large member Thu Sep 14 17:41:17
Nothing brilliant about starlink. Starlink is ultimately just a way to monetize cheap, recoverable LEO boosters.

Nothing brilliant about recoverable boosters either.

Musk's brilliance is getting the timing right. He put money into boosters at a time when doing that would result in a commercial recoverable booster.

obaminated
Member Thu Sep 14 17:46:07
Lol

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murder Member	Wed Sep 13 13:50:53 Elon Musk told biographer that Trump is 'the world champion of bullshit' Elon Musk told his biographer that he was no fan of Donald Trump after it became clear after his election that the wild statements he gave during the 2016 presidential election were not act. "Trump might be one of the world's best bullshitters," Musk told Walter Isaacson, according to Isaacson's "Elon Musk." "Like my dad. Bullshitting can sometimes baffle the brain. If you just think of Trump as a sort of con-man performance, then his behavior makes sense." Isaacson tries to trace Musk's politics throughout the book, noting how he once waited in line for six hours to shake President Barack Obama's hand before somewhat endorsing House Republicans ahead of the 2022 midterms. Musk's biographer also tries to trace the billionaire's relationship with Trump, which began with cautious optimism after the 2016 presidential election and slowly morphed into a disgust for what Isaacson described as "buffoonery." "He seems kind of nuts, but he may turn out to be okay," Musk said after talking with then-President-elect Trump both with fellow tech CEOs and later in a private meeting. Musk would later join White House councils but would ultimately leave the advisory boards following Trump's decision to pull the US out of the Paris Climate Accord. After he bought Twitter, there was speculation that Musk would move quickly to unban the now-former president after Trump was kicked off the platform following the January 6 Capitol riot. Musk told Isaacson that he was completely prepared to leave Trump's ban in place if a public poll about the future of the ban went in another direction. After more than 15 million votes, Twitter users voted narrowly in favor of lifting the ban. "I'm not Trump's fan," Musk told Isaacson. "He's disruptive. He's the world champion of bullshit." http://www...lter-isaacson-biography-2023-9
murder Member	Wed Sep 13 13:52:23 In fairness, Trump has never told anyone that he's building a Trump Hotel on Mars with humanoid robot labor. ;o)
earthpig GTFO HOer	Thu Sep 14 01:27:30 I'm no more a fan of Musk than I am of Trump, but also in fairness... it might actually be the case that we do some of that sci fi bullshit 100 years from now, using tech that Musk funded the development of. A colleague of mine has a wife at SpaceX that signed a NDA, and is actually apparently following it, so I don't know what she's working on. But she's not an engineer, software or hardware. She's not qualified to code AI or design rockets. She works in the squishy sciences, involving humans. Ph.D level. Squishyware, our bodies.
obaminated Member	Thu Sep 14 01:33:53 Musks starlink literally saved Ukraine.
earthpig GTFO HOer	Thu Sep 14 01:36:14 Musk not realizing he's an autistic nerd rather than a foreign policy wonk delayed the attack on the Sevastopol drydocks by the better part of a year.
murder Member	Thu Sep 14 09:26:24 "Musks starlink literally saved Ukraine." Yeah because up until Elon came along warfare was impossible. Did Starlink also save the Russians? It's amazing the things that people will believe.
obaminated Member	Thu Sep 14 10:44:48 http://www...r-russia-funding/32091045.html
murder Member	Thu Sep 14 10:51:24 That's nice. And SpaceX is invalauable to the US space program. You know why? Because we made it invaluable to the US space program. But believe it or not, the US put men on the moon without Elon's help. In fact they did it before he was even born. The reason that Ukraine is relying on Starlink is because that's what the US government chose for it ... likely because they wanted to prove the concept. But the US has fought wars clear on the other side of the Earth without the aid of Starlink.
obaminated Member	Thu Sep 14 13:47:09 "We have won wars without steel before. Why would we ditch iron now?" You are fucking dumb, murder. Also starlink was basically Elon musks pet project and it pretty quickly proved its worth in a real world scenario. And you immediately dismiss how valuable it is. Once again, you are fucking dumb. And that's not a hyperbolic insult we see so frequently on this sub. You are objectively dumb.
murder Member	Thu Sep 14 14:10:22 "Also starlink was basically Elon musks pet project ..." http://www...bet-on-leo-for-space-security/ You'd be amazed at how many of Elon's projects can be traced back to DARPA.
murder Member	Thu Sep 14 14:13:03 http://www...t-constellation-of-satellites/
obaminated Member	Thu Sep 14 14:43:05 ... did darpa save Ukraine or did starlink? Once again, you are objectively dumb and your arguments do not do you any favors.
murder Member	Thu Sep 14 16:43:17 I have to assume that you know that DARPA is a government (DoD) agency. The answer then is obvious. The US and European allies "saved" Ukraine. Starlink is one way that the US government chose to assist Ukraine.
obaminated Member	Thu Sep 14 17:01:37 Was starlink part of the department of defense in Feb 2022?
murder Member	Thu Sep 14 17:20:50 Free speech absolutist Elon Musk sings that "Taiwan is an integral part of China" while Xi Jinping drinks a glass of water ... drawing a standing ovation from Beijing.
obaminated Member	Thu Sep 14 17:29:55 The answer is no, in Feb 2022 starlink was not part of the dod. Elon giving Ukraine access to starlink at the start of the Russian invasion was something he did on his own and it literally saved Ukraine from being completely conquered.
jergul large member	Thu Sep 14 17:41:17 Nothing brilliant about starlink. Starlink is ultimately just a way to monetize cheap, recoverable LEO boosters. Nothing brilliant about recoverable boosters either. Musk's brilliance is getting the timing right. He put money into boosters at a time when doing that would result in a commercial recoverable booster.
obaminated Member	Thu Sep 14 17:46:07 Lol
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