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Paramount
Member Mon Sep 18 07:14:19
Ukraine declares war on Poland, Hungary and Slovakia.

Well, trade war kind of.

Ukraine says it will sue Poland, Hungary and Slovakia over food import bans

KYIV, Sept 18 (Reuters) - Ukraine plans to sue Poland, Hungary and Slovakia in the World Trade Organization over bans on Ukrainian agricultural products, Ukrainian officials said on Monday.

The appeal could be sent "in the near future", a senior official said, and followed a decision by the three countries bordering Ukraine to ban imports of the country's key export commodities.

Politico had earlier on Monday quoted Ukrainian Trade Representative Taras Kachka as saying in an interview that Kyiv planned to sue the three countries.

Restrictions imposed by the European Union in May allowed Poland, Bulgaria, Hungary, Romania and Slovakia to ban domestic sales of Ukrainian wheat, maize, rapeseed and sunflower seeds, while permitting transit of such cargoes for export elsewhere.

Poland, Slovakia and Hungary announced their own restrictions on Ukrainian grain imports on Friday after the executive European Commission decided not to extend its ban on imports into Ukraine's five EU neighbours.

Warsaw, Bratislava and Budapest say they are acting in the interests of their economies and their farmers.

http://www...er-food-import-ban-2023-09-18/

I'm not sure which side to support here. Either on Poland's side and cheer on them to invade Ukraine and reclaim the territory from Ukraine that is historically Polish.

Or on Ukraine's side? Poland, Hungary and Slovakia obviously wants Russia to win.

They say they are acting in the interests of their economies and their farmers.

How dare they act on the interest of their own countries when Ukrainians have to fight Russia? If Germany can sacrifice their economy, then Poland, Hungary and Slovakia can do it too. In the name of EU solidarity. Everyone has to have it equally bad. Like in communism.

jergul
large member Mon Sep 18 07:23:29
WTO disputes take years to resolve, but I have no idea how Poland not abiding by internal EU decisions is to be arbitrated by the WTO. It seems like the wrong recourse to take.

Paramount
Member Mon Sep 18 07:52:10
In solidarity with EU-farmers, I think the farmers in Poland, Slovakia and Hungary has to be compensated for their losses if Ukrainian agricultural products makes it so that the price of EU agricultural products has to be dumped in order to compete.

Since Germany is the engine of the EU economy, I suggest that they cover the cost and pay in solidarity.

Paramount
Member Thu Sep 21 00:53:44
Poland will no longer send weapons to Ukraine, says PM

Poland will no longer send arms to Ukraine in order to focus on its own defence, the Polish prime minister has said, a few hours after Warsaw summoned Kyiv’s ambassador amid a row over grain exports.

“We are no longer transferring weapons to Ukraine, because we are now arming Poland with more modern weapons,” Mateusz Morawiecki said, in response to a question about whether Warsaw would continue to support Kyiv despite the grain exports disagreement.

Poland has been one of Ukraine’s staunchest supporters after Russia invaded in February 2022 and is one of Kyiv’s main weapons suppliers. It also hosts a million Ukrainian refugees, who have been supplied with various forms of state aid.

http://www...s-supply-grain-exports-dispute

Paramount
Member Thu Sep 21 01:10:21
”Ukrainians have generally “behaved well” and are “very grateful” to those who sheltered them. They will not forget that generosity.
But it would not be a “good story” for Europe if it were to “drive these people into a corner”. — Zelensky, The Economist

”It [Poland] hosts a million Ukrainian refugees,”

We may be entering a new phase in this war. 1 million Ukrainians can cause a lot of trouble in Poland.

Rugian
Member Thu Sep 21 07:38:15
Ukrainian refugees to the left of me
North Africans to the right
Here I am
Stuck in the middle with you

Paramount
Member Thu Sep 21 09:50:07
Lol

Paramount
Member Thu Sep 21 10:19:43
The Polish Prime Minister has said that Ukraine is a drowning man.

It sounds like the US should pick up Zelensky and send him to a hospital instead of throwing more millions of dollars at a drowning man.

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Paramount Member	Mon Sep 18 07:14:19 Ukraine declares war on Poland, Hungary and Slovakia. Well, trade war kind of. Ukraine says it will sue Poland, Hungary and Slovakia over food import bans KYIV, Sept 18 (Reuters) - Ukraine plans to sue Poland, Hungary and Slovakia in the World Trade Organization over bans on Ukrainian agricultural products, Ukrainian officials said on Monday. The appeal could be sent "in the near future", a senior official said, and followed a decision by the three countries bordering Ukraine to ban imports of the country's key export commodities. Politico had earlier on Monday quoted Ukrainian Trade Representative Taras Kachka as saying in an interview that Kyiv planned to sue the three countries. Restrictions imposed by the European Union in May allowed Poland, Bulgaria, Hungary, Romania and Slovakia to ban domestic sales of Ukrainian wheat, maize, rapeseed and sunflower seeds, while permitting transit of such cargoes for export elsewhere. Poland, Slovakia and Hungary announced their own restrictions on Ukrainian grain imports on Friday after the executive European Commission decided not to extend its ban on imports into Ukraine's five EU neighbours. Warsaw, Bratislava and Budapest say they are acting in the interests of their economies and their farmers. http://www...er-food-import-ban-2023-09-18/ I'm not sure which side to support here. Either on Poland's side and cheer on them to invade Ukraine and reclaim the territory from Ukraine that is historically Polish. Or on Ukraine's side? Poland, Hungary and Slovakia obviously wants Russia to win. They say they are acting in the interests of their economies and their farmers. How dare they act on the interest of their own countries when Ukrainians have to fight Russia? If Germany can sacrifice their economy, then Poland, Hungary and Slovakia can do it too. In the name of EU solidarity. Everyone has to have it equally bad. Like in communism.
jergul large member	Mon Sep 18 07:23:29 WTO disputes take years to resolve, but I have no idea how Poland not abiding by internal EU decisions is to be arbitrated by the WTO. It seems like the wrong recourse to take.
Paramount Member	Mon Sep 18 07:52:10 In solidarity with EU-farmers, I think the farmers in Poland, Slovakia and Hungary has to be compensated for their losses if Ukrainian agricultural products makes it so that the price of EU agricultural products has to be dumped in order to compete. Since Germany is the engine of the EU economy, I suggest that they cover the cost and pay in solidarity.
Paramount Member	Thu Sep 21 00:53:44 Poland will no longer send weapons to Ukraine, says PM Poland will no longer send arms to Ukraine in order to focus on its own defence, the Polish prime minister has said, a few hours after Warsaw summoned Kyiv’s ambassador amid a row over grain exports. “We are no longer transferring weapons to Ukraine, because we are now arming Poland with more modern weapons,” Mateusz Morawiecki said, in response to a question about whether Warsaw would continue to support Kyiv despite the grain exports disagreement. Poland has been one of Ukraine’s staunchest supporters after Russia invaded in February 2022 and is one of Kyiv’s main weapons suppliers. It also hosts a million Ukrainian refugees, who have been supplied with various forms of state aid. http://www...s-supply-grain-exports-dispute
Paramount Member	Thu Sep 21 01:10:21 ”Ukrainians have generally “behaved well” and are “very grateful” to those who sheltered them. They will not forget that generosity. But it would not be a “good story” for Europe if it were to “drive these people into a corner”. — Zelensky, The Economist ”It [Poland] hosts a million Ukrainian refugees,” We may be entering a new phase in this war. 1 million Ukrainians can cause a lot of trouble in Poland.
Rugian Member	Thu Sep 21 07:38:15 Ukrainian refugees to the left of me North Africans to the right Here I am Stuck in the middle with you
Paramount Member	Thu Sep 21 09:50:07 Lol
Paramount Member	Thu Sep 21 10:19:43 The Polish Prime Minister has said that Ukraine is a drowning man. It sounds like the US should pick up Zelensky and send him to a hospital instead of throwing more millions of dollars at a drowning man.
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