Utopia Talk / Politics / Merrick Garland hearing

tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Sep 20 13:11:17 so embarrassing to watch these things... Jim Jordan & Gaetz on the committee (stupid to begin with)... just look at Judiciary committee official Twitter to see how the feed defiled by Jordan Chip Roy still pushing the repeated bullshit that Garland's memo a long time ago called parents domestic terrorists (it didn't at all), & Chip repeatedly asking if he rescinded memo when no reason to do so as says -nothing- controversial the dick R who was just on (didn't catch name) asking if questioning the outcome of election is illegal... (their talking point of pretending that is what Trump charged with) constant garbage absolutely no interest in getting answers to questions from him, just pushing bullshit & hoping for him to maybe say something that sounds bad in a clipped sound bite
obaminated Member	Wed Sep 20 13:23:57 Good old merrick can't recall when he spoke to the fbi about the hunter biden probe. http://ijr...n-investigation-fbi-officials/ And tw asks why the gop getting answers from this denying pos.
Dukhat Member	Wed Sep 20 13:31:06 Idiot gotcha question to make Obaminated extra erect.
Rugian Member	Wed Sep 20 13:32:27 "so embarrassing to watch these things..." Correct, our AG is a total embarrassment.
Rugian Member	Wed Sep 20 13:33:07 "so embarrassing to watch these things..." Correct, our AG is a total embarrassment.
obaminated Member	Wed Sep 20 13:39:22 In cuckhats mind "gotcha questions" are literally any questions that produces an undesirable, but honest, answer.
Rugian Member	Wed Sep 20 13:47:15 "Chip Roy still pushing the repeated bullshit that Garland's memo a long time ago called parents domestic terrorists" This has been explained to you a million times now, but the AG's action was directly prompted by the NSBA demand letter that did compare parents to domestic terrorists. If you think that that's at all acceptable, then you're just dumb.
obaminated Member	Wed Sep 20 13:55:54 ^ Another example of a topic that tw pretends to care about. He really doesn't. You can prove that garland accepted the comparison of parents to domestic terrorists and tw will claim its a lie but really, tw doesn't care if it's true or not. It won't change his position at all because any Mark against garland is a potential benefit for the orange man. And that is something tw can never allow.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Sep 20 14:03:13 " the AG's action was directly prompted by the NSBA demand letter that did compare parents to domestic terrorists. If you think that that's at all acceptable, then you're just dumb. " who gives a shit what prompted it... NOTHING in Garland's memo is objectionable & NO reason to rescind it do you think the entire GOP/Fox audience realizes he didn't say anything at all about parents being domestic terrorists, and in fact NOTHING objectionable at all?
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Sep 20 14:08:52 if a some store owner association writes to Garland about being sick of chimp n's rioting & looting, then Garland releases a memo noting how rioting & looting won't be tolerated, are you going to accuse Garland of using the racist language? it's idiotic nonsense & deliberate bullshit (or please explain how that analogy not equivalent)
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Sep 20 14:20:56 "You can prove that garland accepted the comparison of parents to domestic terrorists" no, you can't prove that "but really, tw doesn't care if it's true or not" really? as i actually read the memo, have you? please detail what part you object to you are the gullible fool who doesn't really care, just believing what DailyMail & other garbage tell you to
obaminated Member	Wed Sep 20 14:22:12 Lol. Why are you equating the national school board to "some store owner association"? It's almost as if you fully realize how big the national school board is and felt a need to trivialize it in order to justify garland ignoring the fact accepted that organization's comparison of parents to domestic terrorists.
obaminated Member	Wed Sep 20 14:33:04 It's such a stupid and dishonest argument tw is engaged in. Did garland call parents "domestic terrorists"? No. The NSBC did that call parents "domestic terrorists"? Yes. Did garland send out a memo to the FBI counter terrorism division to keep track of "instances of related threats" to education officials? Yes. So, garland did more than simply state that parents are domestic terrorists. Garland fucking put the FBI on alert to treat parents like domestic terrorists.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Sep 20 14:35:17 the size of the org who sent the original letter makes exactly zero difference... make an argument that makes sense... Garland memo: specifically notes verbal debate completely fine, but threats & violence are not (does not endorse nor reference NSBA memo) what are you objecting to?
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Sep 20 14:36:58 " So, garland did more than simply state that parents are domestic terrorists. Garland fucking put the FBI on alert to treat parents like domestic terrorists. " nope...................... you people are lost causes, go believe your idiotic brainwashing
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Sep 20 14:40:20 ... & yes you will claim that's true of me about Trump, but oddly many R's on my side about Trump including ALL of your past R candidates for the presidency plus other R leaders & figureheads... that you now suddenly hate... (because your 'party' is now a cult)
obaminated Member	Wed Sep 20 15:17:55 Lol. Called it. I posted what garland literally did and tw still doesn't accept it.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Sep 20 15:59:44 here's what he actually literally did... (the memo): http://www.justice.gov/ag/page/file/1438986/download zero mention of parents zero mention of domestic zero mention of terrorist/terrorism zero mention of NSBA letter zero objectionable parts
obaminated Member	Wed Sep 20 20:30:19 http://jud...dozens-of-parents-as-terrorist You are just wrong.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Sep 20 21:34:21 you’re giving a press release from Jim Jordan as evidence against the actual memo? an official press release that (embarrassingly & pathetically) mentions the memo with a hyperlink that sure as fuck -should- and easily -could- link to the memo, but instead links to just an article that shares Jordan’s characterization no, the memo says nothing objectionable, and absolutely no reason to rescind it (as Chip Roy pushing, which started this convo)
obaminated Member	Wed Sep 20 22:04:24 "It's such a stupid and dishonest argument tw is engaged in. Did garland call parents "domestic terrorists"? No. The NSBC did that call parents "domestic terrorists"? Yes. Did garland send out a memo to the FBI counter terrorism division to keep track of "instances of related threats" to education officials? Yes. So, garland did more than simply state that parents are domestic terrorists. Garland fucking put the FBI on alert to treat parents like domestic terrorists" And the only reason we know any of this is because whistle-blowers came out and let it be known the fucking counter terrorism arm of the fbi was brought into the loop on this. But. That's okay because garland didn't specifically call parents domestic terrorists, he just treated them as such. http://www...omestic%20terrorists.%E2%80%9D I wonder why the biden administration fought the foia.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Sep 20 22:34:16 great... now a press release from Ken Paxton, the most corrupt AG in the country it repeatedly claiming 'the Biden admin labeled parents domestic terrorists' yet providing zero examples of it happening (also still would have no bearing on whether that memo needs rescinded... which it obviously doesn't)
Rugian Member	Thu Sep 21 08:28:21 The Protocols of the Wannsee Conference also make no explicit reference to the mass genocide of Jews. Are we therefore to conclude that the Nazis never ordered the Holocaust to be carried out? Of course not, because anyone with a brain can connect multiple related events with each other. The anti-Semitic Nazi leadership that repeatedly called for the Jews to be exterminated called a planning meeting at Wannsee, and everyone present at the meeting clearly understood the instructions they were given and the context behind it, even if the meeting minutes themselves were sensitized. Voila, Holocaust gets kicked into high gear. Similarly with Garland. An association of school boards sends a letter to a Democratic president, demanding that he take action against Republican-leaning parent protestors at board meetings (as schools are famous for being major allies of the Democratic Party) who are characterized as domestic terrorists. In direct response, the Democratic AG announces he is instructing the FBI to take action against those parents. Clearly, Garland agreed with the accusation of the parents being domestic terrorists. If he didn't, he wouldn't have issued his memo. Intelligent people are able to connect the two events together. Unintelligent people think that the association letter is completely independent of Garland's subsequent actions.
Rugian Member	Thu Sep 21 08:31:03 *sanitized not sensitized
obaminated Member	Thu Sep 21 10:06:29 Sensitized also works tbh if you want to claim hie cold and calculating they were being to protect themselves, much like how clearly garland is protecting himself by agreeing with the sentiments of the nsbc without saying outright... btw, sentiments the fucking nsba apologized for. It's revealing that the bad guy in this case is the politicians taking umbrage with calling parents "domestic terrorists". Not the national school board doing it. It's also revealing that tw had to trivialize the nsba by comparing them to "some store owner association".
Rugian Member	Thu Sep 21 11:22:49 ^ yup. And even if you believe FBI intervention was warranted here, Garland could have added a disavowing qualifier to his memo, saying "although we do not accept some of the NSBA's more extreme characterizations of the situation" or something along those lines. He didn't. Instead, he did exactly what the NSBA wanted and didn't push back on their characterization of the parents at all. Tumbleweed is heavily distorting reality and denying extremely basic shit in order to defend his position. It's embarrassing.
Rugian Member	Thu Sep 21 11:24:55 Oh and remember this aspect of the story? The White House had the chance to edit out the "domestic terrorists" language ahead of time, but they chose to keep it in...seems like they approved of it as well. "NSBA coordinated with White House, DOJ before sending notorious 'domestic terrorists' letter: emails NSBA leaders even altered the letter's text to satisfy the Biden White House http://www...estic-terrorists-letter-emails
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Sep 21 12:31:31 " In direct response, the Democratic AG announces he is instructing the FBI to take action against those parents. Clearly, Garland agreed with the accusation of the parents being domestic terrorists. If he didn't, he wouldn't have issued his memo. " NOPE... he recognized threats -WERE- happening (from people hopped up on listening to Christopher Rufo on Fox) & absolutely no reason he can't say they would act on illegal behavior "And even if you believe FBI intervention was warranted here, Garland could have added a disavowing qualifier to his memo, saying "although we do not accept some of the NSBA's more extreme characterizations of the situation"" WHY would that be in a memo that never references the NSBA's letter -at all-? threats = bad, please act on them... threats clearly happening & seen regularly on real news outlets ----------------------------------------------- "tw had to trivialize the nsba by comparing them to "some store owner association"" the entire NSBA didn't collectively write 'domestic terrorism'... i'm sure it was one person or some tiny group... individual school districts distanced themselves from the letter & the NSBA apologized for it (& the Asian American Store Owners Association has over 8000 stores... & surely hate black people :p... but the size of org doesn't matter -at all-, i wasn't trying to trivialize anything, just figuring out an analogy) the NSBA is not the Biden admin... it's not the DOJ... even if Garland's memo was 100% prompted by their letter (which probably isn't even the case), it doesn't mean they endorse every single word in it & they NEVER mention it so no reason to say they aren't endorsing it
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Sep 21 12:34:39 Chip Roy repeatedly asked if that memo rescinded (insinuating it called parents domestic terrorists just as your garbage news outlets blasted out at the time) please explain what -in the memo- is problematic... i linked the -actual- memo... no need to review press releases of pieces of shit or news articles what -in the memo- is problematic???
obaminated Member	Thu Sep 21 12:52:54 So, once again tw is shown proof and once again tw denies it. Waste of time.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Sep 21 13:22:40 once again you see 'proof' that doesn't exist (& that Fox article never mentions them sharing the letter w/ White House to 'edit' ahead of time... Rugian is making that up, it just says they discussed the issues) but article does say: " "The letter that was subsequently sent [NSBA apology letter] does not change the association’s concern of violence or threats of violence. It alters some of the language in the letter … that we did not rely on and is not contained in my own memorandum," Garland said. " TRUE, Garland didn't use the language (& why would we assume he relied on those specific words... threats is the problem, they are illegal, that's all that memo talks about)
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Sep 21 13:26:56 but yeah, Fox probably deliberately trying to mislead those like Rugian by saying "NSBA leaders even altered the letter's text to satisfy the Biden White House" but nowhere does it ever say WH had the letter, right after that above characterization they show the email they are badly describing: " "In talks over the last several weeks with White House staff, they requested additional information on some of the specific threats, so the letter also details many of the incidents that have been occurring," Slaven wrote in a September 29, 2021, email to the NSBA board of directors. " (that means they decided to add shit to the letter that the WH was asking about when discussing issues... no indication WH had letter)
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Sep 21 13:32:16 actually Fox -definitely- are trying to mislead, it's the whole point of the article... sorry wasn't looking at big picture they had already planted the false idea Biden admin/Garland had called parents domestic terrorists, so now noting NSBA merely talked w/ WH beforehand just supposedly reinforcing it there's no point to the article w/o the bullshit planted narrative Fox = garbage
obaminated Member	Thu Sep 21 14:24:56 "So, once again tw is shown proof and once again tw denies it. Waste of time." Tw is probably the worst bad faith poster on this forum. You simply cannot argue with him because he will dismiss source information if it disagrees with him. We have now explained and illustrated to him 3 different ways that garland was agreeing with the nsba by getting the counter terrorism arm of the fbi in on these parents who opposed covid restrictions. And 3 times tw simply says "can't trust that congressman, can't trust that attorney General from Texas/indiana/arizona/arkansas/georgia/kansas/kentucky/louisiana/missouri/montana/ohio/oklahoma/south Carolina and utah, can't trust that news site, cant trust that timeline, cant trust those whistleblowers, cant trust anyone who disagrees with me".
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Sep 21 14:50:50 "Tw is probably the worst bad faith poster on this forum" laughable "You simply cannot argue with him because he will dismiss source information if it disagrees with him" i carefully explained why Rugian wrong (& Fox deliberately misleading... what in that article comes close to showing the WH had seen or tried to edit that letter at all?)... & how is any source going to be more valuable than the MEMO itself "can't trust that congressman, can't trust that attorney General from Texas" yes... you very much can't trust Jim Jordan nor Ken Paxton... i'm extremely certain of this... the memo itself is definitely the best source of information of what's in the memo...
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Sep 21 14:55:58 did you even read your Paxton press release? note it says "The Biden Administration eventually fully complied with the request and turned over the materials related to their outrageous decision to identify parents as “domestic terrorists.” " you know what would be nice after saying that? listing A SINGLE FUCKING ITEM from those supposedly fully turned over materials that show they identified parents as domestic terrorists yet there's NOTHING (just Paxton saying it happened)... NOT ONE EXAMPLE yes, garbage
obaminated Member	Thu Sep 21 14:59:05 Lol. Anyone else notice that for some odd reason tw only wants to focus on the Texas AG? Does tw think Texas was the state that filed the foia? Probably. Does tw deliberately want to believe only Texas was involved with the foia? Probably. Is tw once again acting in bad faith? Absolutely.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Sep 21 15:26:01 "Anyone else notice that for some odd reason tw only wants to focus on the Texas AG" YOU posted it... the other one is Jim Jordan & is much longer... if there's proof in it -YOU- find it (i'm 100% certain there isn't), i read long enough to see how he/his team purposely avoided linking the actual memo thus i discredited all 3 of your 'sources'... (Fox never actually says anything as noted) you have decided Garland was responding entirely to "parents=domestic terrorists" instead of the entire purpose of the letter which was about the threats & nothing weird about Garland having an issue w/ the threats you have idiotic tunnel vision reinforced by heaps of deliberately misleading garbage news outlets & social media garbage telling you over & over the Biden Admin/Garland labeled parents as domestic terrorists yet can provide ZERO evidence it happened
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Sep 21 15:31:12 you can show Jim Jordan claiming it happened, and Ken Paxton claiming it happened, & Fox claiming it happened yet all have the source of claim solely as the NSBA letter... none of them show ANY OTHER evidence (though Fox implies WH coordinated in writing that, though their evidence prompting that implication doesn't say it at all) those are NOT the only words in the letter that Garland might act on... & obviously didn't since NO MENTION AT ALL in his memo
obaminated Member	Thu Sep 21 17:20:38 LOL so tw not only thought that texas started the foia but also that only Texas was involved with the foia. Does it ultimately matter? No. Because he ultimately doesn't care what garland said or did. It doesn't matter that 14 state AGs joined the foia started by Indiana, in tws twisted mind they are all liars and crooks. It doesn't matter than the biden administration attempted to shut down the foia request. It doesn't matter what whistle blowers stated. It doesn't matter the nsba apologized for. Bad. Faith. Actor.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Sep 21 17:44:27 jesus christ dude, where have i said anything about the FOIA request, how does -anything- about a FOIA request establish -anything-, no i don't care that 14 state AGs joined, or if anyone resisted it... -your own press release- says they FULLY COMPLIED yet apparently yielding NOTHING as NOTHING shown & there have been no whistleblowers & no, it -definitely- doesn't matter the NSBA apologized for that language... jesus, how can you even think so... maybe you are trolling at this point... i think we're done here a good short: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjlYFWLUDBQ
obaminated Member	Thu Sep 21 19:38:09 http://www...igations-into-outraged-parents "All lies" - tw
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Sep 21 21:50:12 goal posts moving... that's not about memo your article claims House Republicans (second in dishonesty only to Trump) claim that anonymous whistleblowers claim (well we don't know exactly what they claim as that not provided either*), but the House Republicans (second in dishonesty only to Trump) claim the claim is FBI has put a "threat tag" on various investigations *and your article dated May, so sure seems like we ought to know what the whistleblowers said by now... googling for updates, found this fact check... http://www...s-against-school-officials-no/ which says claim false, the tag is put on investigations (not cultist parents) & nowhere does it say the tag means terrorism anyway (and even if they did tag some parents (which doesn't seem to be claimed even by the alleged whistleblowers)... given the cult had multiple militias hoping Trump would declare martial law and wanting to then help quell the populace during the subsequent undeniable coup, i have no doubt there are also cultist parents out there who should be tagged as terrorists... though as noted this alleged tag doesn't mention terrorism) fail again
obaminated Member	Thu Sep 21 23:27:00 You claimed there were no whistleblowers who drew attention to this whole situation. There was.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Sep 22 01:12:34 there's no situation to draw attention to & i don't think those alleged whistleblowers had anything to do w/ the bullshit narrative of 'Garland called parents domestic terrorists'... the NSBA letter was known early & the bullshit completely spun off of that the 'whistleblowers' just more bullshit to pretend it's something... what exactly is wrong w/ applying a tag of "eduofficials" to investigations regarding threats to school officials (the tag is about the target) and that is the only thing the supposed 'whistleblowers' alleged (even w/ their claim passed through the filter of garbage House GOPers, since their actual comments never seem provided that i can see)
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