Utopia Talk / Politics / giant attack on israel

Sam Adams Member	Sat Oct 07 01:59:36 Palestinians have surged across the border and are shooting all the jewish families they can find. Infiltration squads all over. At least one merkhava is burning. Pictures of perhaps 100 of jewish women and children shot. Jesus christ. How the fuck did the mossad miss this? Also israels counterattack is going to be extremely harsh.
Sam Adams Member	Sat Oct 07 02:04:38 It sounds really bad. Massive sneak attack. Like 1973.
Allahuakbar Member	Sat Oct 07 02:38:45 That is what the right to bear arms is good for!!!! http://edi...ttack-gaza-intl-hnk/index.html “If you have a gun, get it out. This is the time to use it – get out with trucks, cars, axes, today the best and most honorable history starts,” Hamas military commander Muhammad Al-Deif said in a recorded message.
And justice 4 all Member	Sat Oct 07 03:38:18 We must all support the Palestinians in their fight to free their country from Israel’s illegal military occupation. We should expect the US/EU and NATO to send weapons and tanks to Palestine now and to impose sanctions on Israel.
Paramount Member	Sat Oct 07 04:49:06 ” Jesus christ. How the fuck did the mossad miss this?” They decided to refuse to do their work as long as Nethanyahu is in power because of the overhaul of the country’s judiciary.
Paramount Member	Sat Oct 07 06:21:32 Israel deserves everything they are receiving now considering everything they have subjected Palestinian civilians to for decades. Look at the idf. They aren’t so tough now when they no longer face unarmed women, children and olive farmers. http://x.c...?s=61&t=C7YI8upxCqhyhPMRv9y0zg
Paramount Member	Sat Oct 07 06:23:22 Illegal settlers are fleeing. They aren’t so tough no more. http://x.c...?s=61&t=C7YI8upxCqhyhPMRv9y0zg
Paramount Member	Sat Oct 07 06:27:48 Desert runners http://x.c...?s=61&t=C7YI8upxCqhyhPMRv9y0zg Rofl
Paramount Member	Sat Oct 07 06:29:54 Israeli Commander Nimrod Aloni has been captured by Hamas in the ongoing war. http://x.c...?s=61&t=C7YI8upxCqhyhPMRv9y0zg He was literally taken with his pants down. lmao
Paramount Member	Sat Oct 07 06:45:00 Palestinians are reported to have captured 5 Merkava tanks. http://x.com/sprinter99800/status/1710618954299818230 Hamas has accomplished more in one morning than Ukraine did in a year with trillions of US dollar in aid.
jergul large member	Sat Oct 07 06:46:32 Congress should immediately legislate an aid package for Israel! Oh...wait. The President should immediately authorize draw-down from shell stores in the region earmarked Israel! Oh...wait. The US should immediate assign med/black sea observation assets to help Israeli intel gathering and targetting Oh...wait. Well, if Hamas was ever going to chose a time, it could have chosen a worse one.
jergul large member	Sat Oct 07 06:48:08 Para It is going to be a blood bath.
jergul large member	Sat Oct 07 06:48:53 for the Palestinians.
Paramount Member	Sat Oct 07 06:58:29 Palestinians has always been subjected to bloodbaths.
Rugian Member	Sat Oct 07 07:02:44 It's going to be a joy to watch Palestinian blood flow through the streets. That terroristic people deserve absolutely everything coming to them. There is no sin in killing one of those subhuman savages.
Rugian Member	Sat Oct 07 07:05:33 Is it too much to dream that this will result in a Jewish Gaza? All Palestinians must choose between fleeing to Egypt or death.
Paramount Member	Sat Oct 07 07:09:01 Groups of Israeli reservists have refused orders to head to the border with Gaza. An Israeli soldier stated, "We will not go to our deaths, this is suicide." http://x.com/dd_geopolitics/status/1710624564064252097 You are needed in Israel, Rugina. You should take the first flight and travel to Gaza and fight the subhumans.
LazyCommunist Member	Sat Oct 07 07:10:19 How is it possible that all of a sudden Palestinians can blow up Israeli tanks with drones?!?!?! Did we show them how to?^^ http://web...86-df39-dc06-afdf-ff3fd16c0000 Mar 14, 2023 Russia Invites Hamas Leaders for Kremlin Visit
jergul large member	Sat Oct 07 07:12:49 Ukraine showed them how to.
Rugian Member	Sat Oct 07 07:15:25 Ukraine isn't a 140 square mile city-state that could literally be bulldozed into oblivion. The wholesale depopulation of the Gaza Strip is an option on the table for Israel.
jergul large member	Sat Oct 07 07:16:28 Ruggy Your pov is one of the reasons for why Ukraine is in long term trouble. Ukrainian exceptionalism in the face of extremely mixed messaging on the plight of other peoples simply rings too untrue for the Ukrainian cause to gain global support. Do you seriously wonder why OPEC+ is boosting Russian oil revenues?
jergul large member	Sat Oct 07 07:17:49 Ukraine showed Hamas how to use drones to take out tanks, not russia.
LazyCommunist Member	Sat Oct 07 07:20:43 They did, too? But Hamas is OUR ally!!!
Rugian Member	Sat Oct 07 07:21:38 Jergul On paper, Russia should be steamroller Ukraine. Unfortunately, your boy has mismanaged Russia so badly over the years that it is now incapable of overpowering a much smaller country in a conventional land war directly adjacent to its borders. Something tells me that the IDF will not be suffering from similar levels of incompetence.
Paramount Member	Sat Oct 07 07:30:18 They simply drove into Israel. Where is the Israeli army? Are they intentionally allowing them to enter? http://x.com/runews/status/1710596582779781177 Had it been unarmed civilians, women and children, walking up to the fences, the Israeli army would have been there to shoot and kill them as we have seen so many times before. But now, the bulk of the israeli army must have been gone for this to be possible to happen. Mossad also seem to have been absent. Or were they? Was this a deliberate trap that Hamas has walked into? Has Nethanyahu deliberatly invited Hamas to attack Israel, only to trap them and then destroy all of them?
murder Member	Sat Oct 07 07:32:09 "It's going to be a joy to watch Palestinian blood flow through the streets." Of course. The blood of the oppressed is always desert for those who enjoy oppressing others. "That terroristic people deserve absolutely everything coming to them. There is no sin in killing one of those subhuman savages." We're just going to ignore that Israel was literally born from jewish terrorism, right? Never mind the never ending campaign to steal evermore land from the Palestians.
murder Member	Sat Oct 07 07:32:44 Palestinians*
Rugian Member	Sat Oct 07 07:34:59 Of course you would be a Palestinian shill. Go back to Cuba already murder. The Free World isn't where you belong and the US is not your country.
Paramount Member	Sat Oct 07 07:43:06 Israel's second largest powerplant, Rotenberg, has been attacked by rockets http://x.com/dd_geopolitics/status/1710597172625109095 There is also a video of jews running to the airport. They might be looking to go home :o)
jergul large member	Sat Oct 07 07:43:45 Ruggy That is quite a goal post. How in your mind was Russia supposed to steam roll Ukraine if decapitation raids failed? Russia was outnumbered in country within days and outequipped within weeks. Such is the nature of conscription based mass mobilization and really deep soviet era reserve materiell. Tack on Western aid in the 100 billion+ range and it is exactly what you would expect it to be. Admittedly, I was really surprised by the raid tactics with small forces. I thought Russia would push on a broader front, then attrition the crap out of Ukraine once the frontline stabilized. Oh well, it ended up there in the end.
jergul large member	Sat Oct 07 07:45:44 What is your perspective on US satelittes btw? Should they continue focusing on Ukraine, or should they do what they normally do now and help out Israel with SIGINT? You actually have to chose given the latitude proximity.
jergul large member	Sat Oct 07 07:46:16 longditude rather*
Rugian Member	Sat Oct 07 07:46:57 Jergul I'm confused. Are you here to talk about Ukraine or Gaza in this thread about Gaza?
jergul large member	Sat Oct 07 07:57:29 Sigint diverted to ukraine incidentally answers how Israel was surprised by this. For all its merits, Israel is a rather small US ally that needs support in key areas like space observation and analysis.
Paramount Member	Sat Oct 07 07:57:29 Not a single tweet from Blinken or Biden yet. Wasup? Are they also sleeping like the Israeli army and Mossad was?
jergul large member	Sat Oct 07 07:58:26 I too was confused that you brought it up. But threads here always go all over the place anyway,, so who cares?
Rugian Member	Sat Oct 07 08:01:53 No, you brought it up first.
jergul large member	Sat Oct 07 08:18:46 In response to LC wondering if Russia taught Hamas about drones. I corrected him by saying Ukraine was first with tank killing drone capability. The question was who showed hamas. It was about hamas, not Ukraine.
LazyCommunist Member	Sat Oct 07 08:26:50 Don't you think Hamas uses Iranian drones like we do?
Rugian Member	Sat Oct 07 08:33:54 "If you are horrified by what is happening in #Israel right now, you can thank @JoeBiden . Iran is spending the $6 BILLION Joe Biden just gave them." http://twitter.com/LauraLoomer/status/1710560774899241351 Glad to see Iran is putting that money to work. I hope Mossad assassinates a few Iranian leaders over this.
jergul large member	Sat Oct 07 09:42:11 Because you want Iran to develop and deploy nuclear weapons?
Rugian Member	Sat Oct 07 09:44:07 They are doing that anyway.
jergul large member	Sat Oct 07 09:47:29 Well, if that is true, then you also know Mossad will not be assassinating a few Iranian leaders. Well, unless you mean forces deployed in Syria. Then sure, they are semi fair game. A command bunker will likely take a hit. But that is airforce, not mossad.
Asgard Member	Sat Oct 07 10:01:25 So far it’s pretty bad Elderly, women, and baby were kidnapped to Gaza by the droves, a psychedelic hippy nature party attended by thousands of youths was specifically targeted by dozens of terrorists on Toyotas killing many 8 towns literally fell to the hands of Hamas So far 100 dead, officially. But from what I hear around, It’s more like 500. These are historic numbers. The counter offensive is still to be seen but thousands of Palestinian are likely to die.
murder Member	Sat Oct 07 10:25:25 "Of course you would be a Palestinian shill." I'm not a palestinian shill. I could give a fuck about them or any other muslim/middle easterner. They are all fucking backwards. But in a war with no good guys, it's still obvious who the bad guys are here.
Rugian Member	Sat Oct 07 10:28:10 Asgard's alive! There are some sick videos coming out of Israel right now. Palis are parading around the lifeless bodies of women civilians. Hamasaki militants are walking through Israeli towns like they own the place. Where are the police and military? Even if they weren't aware of the attacks ahead of time, how were they not instantly deployed to defend Israeli communities?
murder Member	Sat Oct 07 10:31:05 "The counter offensive is still to be seen but thousands of Palestinian are likely to die." At minimum. Contrary tot biblical instruction, Israel doesn't do an eye for eye. The response will be massive and extended and meant to make sure no one ever thinks of doing something like this again.
Rugian Member	Sat Oct 07 10:31:23 Some of murder's good guys in action: http://twitter.com/JIX5A/status/1710556469945344415/ I hope Israel murders kills everyone in this video together with their families.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sat Oct 07 10:31:31 So, when the IDF is going in to clean up the terrorist, is there any chance they could also drone strike people like paramount?
Asgard Member	Sat Oct 07 10:34:22 Unfortunately nah
jergul large member	Sat Oct 07 10:34:26 Murder is at least consistent. Like I have mentioned before, you can view the Russian war in Ukraine as analogue to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Ukraine - Palestine Russia - Israel US/EU - Arab States + Iran That model explains why most nations limit their support to Ukraine. The dissonance between Ukraine and Palestine stuns them.
murder Member	Sat Oct 07 10:35:15 "Palis are parading around the lifeless bodies of women civilians." What is an adult civilian in Israel? Unless they are ultra-Orthodox, they all serve.
jergul large member	Sat Oct 07 10:35:34 So, yah, of course consistency dictates that murder support both Ukraine and Palestine. Kudos murder.
Rugian Member	Sat Oct 07 10:35:54 Possibly the same woman before she was murdered, completely covered in blood (including on her ass...rape possibly?) http://twi...rg/status/1710603294895223227/ Savages.
murder Member	Sat Oct 07 10:36:36 "Where are the police and military? Even if they weren't aware of the attacks ahead of time, how were they not instantly deployed to defend Israeli communities?" Organized forces don't just rush to battle. They organize first.
Asgard Member	Sat Oct 07 10:37:28 Titian, yeah, this girl was probably attending the nature party by her (lack of) clothing
Rugian Member	Sat Oct 07 10:37:35 "Biden Administration Deletes Post Calling On Israelis Not to Respond to Hamas Assault" http://www...t-to-respond-to-hamas-assault/ Ahahahaha fucking idiots. No one is going to give a shit what Biden and the Jew-hating leftists in the Democratic Partyt think after today.
Asgard Member	Sat Oct 07 10:39:15 Rugian* Damn phone
murder Member	Sat Oct 07 10:39:18 "So, yah, of course consistency dictates that murder support both Ukraine and Palestine." I don't support palestine. I don't support the US funding the massacre, but aside from that I just observe and point out that the victimizers always portray themselves as the victims.
Paramount Member	Sat Oct 07 10:39:31 ” parading around the lifeless bodies of women civilians” Not civilian. Female soldier or possibly settler. ”how were they not instantly deployed to defend Israeli communities?” Because they were busy having gay sex. Or, because they are afraid to engage someone who is armed. They are used to shoot unarmed women and children. When facing armed resistance they usually deploy the airforce and bomb everything in sight indiscriminately.
murder Member	Sat Oct 07 10:41:10 "Ahahahaha fucking idiots. No one is going to give a shit what Biden and the Jew-hating leftists in the Democratic Partyt think after today." Probably wasn't aware of the scale of the attack and figured it was another random volley of rockets like usual.
jergul large member	Sat Oct 07 10:42:11 That is like me saying I do not support Russia, I just want to stop funding Ukraine. Sometimes, the limitations you set determine who you support.
Asgard Member	Sat Oct 07 10:42:51 Now, again, parafuckpace, kids attending a party. I know though you and Uglygul consider children as combatants just like Hamas does, no surprise there.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sat Oct 07 10:43:59 "Palis are parading around the lifeless bodies of women civilians." ...
murder Member	Sat Oct 07 10:44:41 btw I'm sure that Congress is already working on sending even more billions to Israel to finance their response and continued occupation. Lack of a Speaker be damned.
Asgard Member	Sat Oct 07 10:46:47 As for why this happened, away Hamas entered Israel basically free and without unopposed, even into military bases with only a skeleton garrison… sthisnis because the army was busy in the other part of Palestine (Judea-Sumeria), helping to secure crazy lunatic religious settlers, the voters of the lunatic right parties currently in the coalition government that have too much influence over Netanyahu - who is too busy with his corruption court cases than to actually govern this country. Th at is why.
Paramount Member	Sat Oct 07 10:50:18 It would ’t have happened if Trump was the president, or if Israel had ended its illegal occupation of Palestine earlier.
murder Member	Sat Oct 07 10:50:29 "Now, again, parafuckpace, kids attending a party. I know though you and Uglygul consider children as combatants just like Hamas does, no surprise there." What combat? There's no combat. There's a well financed and subsidized army that crushes any resistance from palestinians. It's funny to see Israelis freak out over palestinians not following the rules of combat as if there were any. Israelis have been taking and killing with impunity for decades. These supposed innocents being killed are just the blood sacrifice to your god for the land he gave you. Or more precisely that he instructed you to forcibly take from others.
Asgard Member	Sat Oct 07 10:52:04 I am talking about children being children (non combatants) and Murder is doing off on a rant about … something weird
Rugian Member	Sat Oct 07 10:52:31 Lol, first time I've been called Titian on here. Anyway, if 500 dead ends up being an accurate figure, then adjusted for population Israel just experienced the equivalent of six 9/11s. Thousands of dead Palestinians is way too low a figure for the sort of retaliation required.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sat Oct 07 10:54:52 Is Hezbollah going to make a move? The time would be now. Seems IDF has moved into position near the Lebanese border.
Asgard Member	Sat Oct 07 10:57:02 That so heavily discussed in the news here, probably not - if they do anything they risk a total war, where they could all perish. To examplify, I heard that the Egyptians broke off relations with Hamas and giving them a final message that basically says - “cya in the after life, you won’t survive this, no point in further relations”
murder Member	Sat Oct 07 10:58:49 "I am talking about children being children (non combatants) and Murder is doing off on a rant about … something weird" Those children would have grown up to be Israelis. They would have served in the army and they would have supported the occupation. Think of it as killing baby Hitler.
Sam Adams Member	Sat Oct 07 10:58:50 So 100s, possibly 1000s, of israeli civilians butchered is unfortunately confirmed. Where does this go? Occupy gaza? Eject gaza's population? In any other time in history gaza would just be wiped out. But now we are "nice" and "progressive".
Asgard Member	Sat Oct 07 11:00:34 Yes it will result in an invasion to Gaza, until Hamas is no more. There is a general reserve draft now
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sat Oct 07 11:02:39 "if they do anything they risk a total war, where they could all perish." We can only hope.
murder Member	Sat Oct 07 11:03:40 "Where does this go? Occupy gaza?" Temporarily while the hunt down anyone with Hamas ties. But then they will withdraw again after some period of time. "Eject gaza's population?" I doubt the US goes for that, although it would simplify things greatly. "In any other time in history gaza would just be wiped out. But now we are "nice" and "progressive"." We fought a 20 year "war" in Afghanistan and hardly killed anyone. Yeah, western warfare ain't what it used to be.
Sam Adams Member	Sat Oct 07 11:04:02 Youd think at a minimum they would invade gaza and disarm the entire population and kill anyone with links to these groups.
Asgard Member	Sat Oct 07 11:04:37 But no, Rugian. Hamas is a small foe compared To Hizballah. A war with Hizballah will be devastating to both Lebanon and Israel equally; they were very well equipped, trained, and war-hardened veterans of the Syrian civil war, aided by Iranian specialists.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sat Oct 07 11:04:55 "until Hamas is no more. There is a general reserve draft now" Nice.
Asgard Member	Sat Oct 07 11:06:02 Meant Nim. Eh. Too much going on to differentiate now
jergul large member	Sat Oct 07 11:06:24 Asgard I am pretty sure Israel does not have the stomach for fully occupying Gaza. What a nightmare that would be. I think it will stick with incursions and bombing.
Rugian Member	Sat Oct 07 11:08:24 "I am pretty sure Israel does not have the stomach for fully occupying Gaza. What a nightmare that would be." 1. Push the entire population 15 miles into Sinai 2. Fortify the fuck out of that border 3. Repopulate Gaza with Israelis Easy peazy rice squeezy.
jergul large member	Sat Oct 07 11:12:51 You have to occupy to push people into the desert, though civilians will doubtless flee if things get bad enough. But ultimately, it is all bluster. Hamas has captured too many civilians and POWs (the IDF is using the distinction). There will have to be a negotiated outcome imo.
jergul large member	Sat Oct 07 11:13:22 Hostages and POWs*
Asgard Member	Sat Oct 07 11:14:33 I don’t see another possibility. There are dozens of Israelis dragged dead in the streets of Gaza, dozens others alive to be bargained over. The rage here is unfathomable, and there is no public sentiment of f discussing anything; the media, always being on the hard left, gentle and careful, wonder openly “why is there power in Gaza? Why are there running water? Why are there tall buildings still standing?”
Rugian Member	Sat Oct 07 11:17:45 "There will have to be a negotiated outcome imo." Nope. Israel will make zero concessions to Hamas after this.
jergul large member	Sat Oct 07 11:19:18 To be bargained over* is the key thing to remember here when projecting how this will go. Incursions into Gaza once Hamas is beaten back? Sure. Heavy bombings? Sure. Occupation? Well, you need to start talking with someone about hostage and pow exchange at some point. So I dont think so.
jergul large member	Sat Oct 07 11:21:57 Ruggy Over what? A MOSSAD/US intelligence failure? How is that Hamas' fault? It planned an operation that sort of worked. Most of them do not. Fair enough that this is incredibly embarrassing for Israel, but why compound it with prisoners kept indefinitely in the best case and killed by Israeli actions in the worst?
Sam Adams Member	Sat Oct 07 11:26:51 http://x.com/Natan_Levy/status/1710534249726575012?s=20 Israeli grandmothers executed on the street
Rugian Member	Sat Oct 07 11:27:10 Gunned down civilians at what looks to be a bus stop http://twitter.com/emilykschrader/status/1710577923621625907
Sam Adams Member	Sat Oct 07 11:27:41 Palestinians own news network bragging that the kidnapped a woman and kids. http://x.com/QudsNen/status/1710582464719016133?s=20
Rugian Member	Sat Oct 07 11:27:52 Hamas bombing an Israeli ambulance http://twitter.com/emilykschrader/status/1710618465210355991
jergul large member	Sat Oct 07 11:28:31 On the Israeli side: 70 killed and 900 wounded or injured/fell ill (in the chaos) so far. Take a chill pill. This is about being profoundly embarrassed.
Rugian Member	Sat Oct 07 11:31:11 Jergul Kill yourself. 100-500 dead is not an "embarassment." This is an act of total war and Israel needs to respond in kind.
Rugian Member	Sat Oct 07 11:31:41 Lol Sam you and I posted the same thing less than 60 seconds apart
Asgard Member	Sat Oct 07 11:31:59 If you think there will be any negotiations you have no idea the amount of insurmountable rage seeing these things roaming on social media. Insurmountable. There will be no negotiations. Israel has a protocol called “Hannibal protocol” where bombing over taken civilians and POWs is allowed, them being dead is better for them than being alive.
Asgard Member	Sat Oct 07 11:33:35 Meetup - 200 now officially according to live Israeli news. 500 at a minimum realistically judging by the insane things on social media.
jergul large member	Sat Oct 07 11:33:59 70 dead according to the latest reports. Israel has tons of shelters. Civilians will on the most part be fine. Go touch grass or something. Your hysteria is getting on my nerves.
murder Member	Sat Oct 07 11:34:00 "Easy peazy rice squeezy." It's lemon squeezey, you heathen.
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