Utopia Talk / Politics / Gaza: Silent enim leges inter arma

Rugian Member	Mon Oct 09 18:32:39 Captain Sisko would have known how to deal with Hamas. (It would have involved a ton of overacting and yelling, because Avery Brooks is a terrible actor) Anywayz link to previous: http://uto...hread=92219&time=1696885300890
jergul large member	Mon Oct 09 18:37:09 Ruggy Seriously? A West that was as generous to Palestinians as it is to Ukrainians seeking refuge would have been a way to peace. Too late now. Generational trauma. Mass migration would be a security nightmare. But some should definitely be granted refuge.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Mon Oct 09 18:38:06 Jergul "All I am saying is that the Israel will not commit genocide and that the Palestinian toll will be below 10k killed" All you are saying are things that don't actually engage with what I am saying, because you invest far more emotions in your LARP that you want to admit. It's ok, just remember that every day, is a new chance for you to be a better version of who you were yesterday.
earthpig GTFO HOer	Mon Oct 09 18:39:09 Does Israel's formal Declaration of War against Hamas mean we've stumbled into a "two-state solution" of sorts?
jergul large member	Mon Oct 09 18:42:00 Verbatim imitation. I am glad you are putting effort into it. Pseudo-originality is overrated. I have engaged with what you are saying when I point out I do not think Israel will engage in the genocide you are promoting. I am a better person every time I remember this is not the time or place to point out Israel and Palestine have a complicated history. What have you done to become better lately my little pinnochio?
jergul large member	Mon Oct 09 18:43:16 EP Nah. The nature of Israeli basic law means that the declaration of being in a state of war means anything the Israeli cabinet wants it to mean. And I am pretty sure they do not mean a two-state solution.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Mon Oct 09 18:46:11 Jergul "You do dog whistle quite a lot. I suppose you think it smert." I understand, it bugs you greatly that I am not a coward. We have just lived very different lives Jergul, been raised with very different stories. However, nothing bad will happen to me, even if I said I support genocide. You can see that in the streets of Sweden, right now, as there is no shortage of people supporting genocide. You are not living in the real world, social or physical. You are evading the things I am saying, like a coward.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Mon Oct 09 18:48:32 "jergul large member Mon Oct 09 18:42:00 Verbatim imitation." That's the point. It's not complicated.
jergul large member	Mon Oct 09 18:50:28 Nimi You are sort of a coward frankly. I say that in the best meaning. So am I. I am gunshy. There are contexts requiring physical bravery I laughed at when younger that I now avoid like the plague. On intellectual courage or moral fortitude. Well, my record here speaks for itself. I have zero fucks to give. I have seen you suck CCs clit for approval. Geeze man. Have some dignity.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Mon Oct 09 18:51:36 That is a crude understanding of courage, that has not place in these discussions. Try again.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Mon Oct 09 18:52:20 You give many more fucks than you have the courage to admit. That is, part of the problem.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Mon Oct 09 18:52:47 That part of the LARP.
jergul large member	Mon Oct 09 19:07:45 Part of what problem? Dissent? That dear snowflake is a feature, not a bug. The day you win is the day you lose this forum. The whole point is the clash of dissenting ideas. For fellatio circles, check out only fans.
jergul large member	Mon Oct 09 19:10:39 But I'll bite. Physical, intellectual and moral courage have no place in this forum. Mkay, what kind of courage were you thinking of. Emotional courage. Damn snowflake, I hope you do not think that would be playing to your strengths.
Rugian Member	Mon Oct 09 20:19:13 Beautiful... http://www...t_in_the_gaza_skyline_tonight/
Sam Adams Member	Mon Oct 09 20:19:34 So hamas admits it duped israel with fake peace offerings while it trained for this for 2 YEARS. last time someone pulled off such a dishonorable feint we nuked 2 of their cities and burned the rest.
Sam Adams Member	Mon Oct 09 20:26:30 "You trying to start religious conflict in Europe absolutely does effect me and it makes me fucking angry." Rofl did seb the importer of this religious conflict just try to blame anyone else?
Cherub Cow Member	Tue Oct 10 00:34:03 [Jergul the Coward]: "Funny how us married folk with children are the emotionally retarded ones in the eyes of single cat ladies :)" (from http://uto...hread=92217&time=1696772874310 ). Still trying to bait with that tired and demonstrably inept ad hominem? Most cowards would try something else, but there is indeed that adage about idiots drowning in the futile repetition of their dysfunctional compulsions. Ironically, Jergul even paraphrases this principle later (lol): "Repeating the same thing, but expecting a different outcome is a definition of insanity." Similarly, I could repeat this to no effect: Jergul, • Your country has been conquered and is no longer your own, • you possess slave morality, • your children are being indoctrinated by global-citizen-captured education so that they will become slaves who are more likely to surgically self-emasculate or self-select out of the gene pool if they have even a hint of racial impurity by the Regime's DIE reckoning, and • your government is run by cowards and is rated as totally captured by ESG rating services, ..yet you still pretend that you have sovereignty. So yes, you are emotionally retarded. You see this bureaucracy of conquerors as benevolent because you cannot look into the eyes of these bureaucrats and recognize in them your own annihilation. You cannot see the plain hatred that your own rulers have for you as they empower client groups who mean to destroy you. It is beyond your perception, and the Last Man search for warmth that brought you to someone else's body does not overrule this slow suicide. And Jergul blinks. .. [Jergul the Coward]: "I think Palestinian dead will be in the 4 digits ... Hama. Turns out my expectations are actually within the range of what most of you expect now that you have had time to think it through." Notice how Jergul directly contradicted himself here. He claims that "most of [us]" are posting numbers in his range, meanwhile: • "300,000 for Rugian" • "5,892 Palestinians" [for CC] The only one "in his range" is maybe me so far, but jergul, having a lukewarm IQ, can see no distinction between *one* of us and *all* of us. He's *that* retarded. And, on top of this, he thinks that *my* guess is after **all of us** "[coming] to [our] senses". Unbelievable retardation to put one of his mistakes on top of another. Jergul tries to build sand castles in the waves. .. [Nim to Jergul]: "You are after all the descendants of a long line of cowards that deferred conflict and kept running away." Lol, yup! Jergul even thinks that his current strategy of running away and disengaging from society will work out for him — even as it leaves his society neutered, lol :D .. [Dukhat]: "Toxic masculinity gonna toxic." (Said by a "man", presumably.) [Dukhat (Projection Bot)]: "The guy rolled over if you offered him a whiff of a bribe." Good description of Biden, yes, Projection Bot! [Dukhat (Projection Bot)]: "Obaminated just making dumb shit up. Literally one step away from Cherub Cow territory." I'm sure Dukhat will be able to come up with a substantive example of me "making dumb shit up". Surely. Just one. [Dukhat]: "Still should giving Biden credit for doing the right thing for our interests even though Dubya and Clinton and Reagan would've done the same thing." Lulz. "Our interests" apparently include causing wars in Ukraine, Israel, and Taiwan as well as forced debt restructuring and civil wars in Ethiopia, Zambia, Ghana, Lebanon, Suriname, and Sri Lanka. Interesting how "our interests" align with China's Belt-and-Road initiatives and whatever the IMF wants to do. That is, Israel's fresh war might have something to do with an Africa and Middle East restructuring that ensures that Israel doesn't have to deal with the mass immigration sent to the West from China's Belt-and-Road projects — which Biden is funding, btw. And we've already been fed a pretext for destroying Iran and Lebanon on Israel's behalf, jeopardizing Iran's entry into BRICS+ in January 2024 (lol; fun coincidence). The banks seem to be making sure that all nations are compliant with the ESG-West and BRICS+ scheme (banks forcing an East/West conflict), which requires a restructuring of Iran. The current list of nations in the BRICS hopefuls include.. • Primary: Iran, Argentina, Egypt, Ethiopia, Saudi Arabia, and UAE • Secondary: Algeria, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Belarus, Bolivia, Cuba, Honduras, Kazakhstan, Kuwait, Palestine, Senegal, Thailand, Venezuela, Vietnam • Tertiary IMF restructuring projects: Chad, Ethiopia, Zambia, Ghana, Lebanon, Suriname, and Sri Lanka The same banker restructuring occurred pre-WWI and WWII. Which nations do we suppose did not want to cooperate with the globalists, and what happened to them? Palestine's militants are likely being set up for a purge just like Germany. Any population that stands up to the scheme will produce reactionaries who give global leaders an excuse to tighten the ratchet. The same scheme is used against the right in the West: produce reactionary bait to cause incidents which justify the expansion of globalist doctrine. In the "current thing", their goal was to subjugate Palestine under the global order, and everything else was reverse-engineered from this purpose. Gotta keep on track for 2030 and 2050 / "Net Zero"! .. [CC]: "Wiki claims 7.503 million Palestinians in Gaza." [murder]: "Just for the record the CIA estimates the population of Gaza to be 2,098,389 (2023 est.) [/] I only mention it because Cherub Cow misquoted Wikipedia on the size of the population in the last thread." Looks like Google spat out the combined-area population. This is the full quotation from Wiki (still current) that includes the number I used: "Despite various wars and exoduses, roughly one half of the world's Palestinian population continues to reside in the territory of former Mandatory Palestine, now encompassing the West Bank and the Gaza Strip (the Palestinian territories) as well as Israel.[46] In this combined area, as of 2022, Palestinians constitute a demographic majority, with an estimated population of 7.503 million or 51.16%" That is, • "7.503 million" — Palestinians in West Bank, Gaza Strip, and Israel • "2,098,389 (2023 est.)" — CIA estimate of *entire* population of Gaza (i.e., using this number for Palestinians assumes that all Arabs there are Palestinian). http://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/countries/gaza-strip/ • "1.7 million Palestine Refugees" — UN's August 2023 subdivision of the Palestinian Gaza population http://www.unrwa.org/where-we-work/gaza-strip [murder]: "There is not an endless supply of people. They can be killed faster than they can reproduce." Palestine has one of the healthiest population pyramids in the world. I'll put it in terms that a leftist can understand: who, demographically, "wins" in a DNC city? Black people and brown immigrants, right? "And it's a good thing"! Right? Israel has already won the dysgenics war (locally) by targeting Palestinian leadership for generations, but they have to compete with the high birth rates of the dysgenic underclass that they themselves hath bred. And for people who believe that Egypt will not protect Palestinian refugees this time and/or that the West will sink Palestinian refugees in the Mediterranean... Egypt, sure, but why would this happen for Palestinians and not all the other migrants crossing to Europe? That is, wouldn't the consistent outcome be that Israel pushes more people that it doesn't like into the West? They can achieve a greater propaganda victory by appearing merciful with a low body count while sending Palestinians into Italy and France. This also ensures more Palestinian terrorists activate in the West, making the West take out another Israeli target. .. [Rugian]: "The entire history of the State of Israel involves one attack after another by enemies who deny its right to exist." Is Israel's "right to exist" at all conditional? I think some fair conditions would be that • it cannot divert refugees and migrants to Europe, • it too should accept that "diversity is our strength" — or that it is *not* a strength, • it should publicly admit that the possibility of a people being "Chosen" is a self-fulfilling deterministic fallacy and a delusion, • if it has a "right" to an ethnic or religious state than so too do Western nations, • it should not be allowed to propagandize the West via Hollywood and media (i.e., total departure from all media positions in the West), • it should not be allowed to hold dual citizenship in the West (i.e., one nation or another and no sending funding to Israel), and • its people should not be allowed political office, banking, law, or government bureaucracy positions in Western nations. Those are all good conditional positions. Palestinian terrorists are *no* good, surely, and they've done wrong and should be punished. But does Israel get to do the same to us? And do we have to destroy another Iraq for Israel because of this attack? [Rugian]: "There's an easy solution to this entire conflict: Have Oslo resettle the Gazan population throughout the Norwegian countryside" Jergul approves! [Paramount]: "[Hollywood] is also a safe haven for pedophile rapists across the world." I wonder who dominates in Hollywood? Oh, sorry, I misquoted Paramount. Interesting connection, though.
Cherub Cow Member	Tue Oct 10 00:34:18 Current bets on Palestinian death toll (Assumed military and civilian): Jergul: <10,000 Rugian: 300,000 CC: 5,892 by December 1st; fallback position of 31:1 ratio Murder: "20,000 over this next few months." SA: "5 digits at least" Fred: Any TNF games Hot Rod: Longshot position of total Palestinian genocide
Cherub Cow Member	Tue Oct 10 00:34:38 Someone made a nice little "diversity is our strength" thread showing how great it is to have Israelis and Palestinians in the West, sharing their cultural heritage in a multicultural context: http://twitter.com/Antweegonus/status/1711112221466468703
Seb Member	Tue Oct 10 02:28:30 Nim: I find it odd that you have adopted this term import. Is that you see yourself and parents? Inanimate objects with no agency that some Swiss Seb "imported" when they decided to give your parents a visa?
Paramount Member	Tue Oct 10 02:57:28 Would you want these wasps as your neighbour? If you don’t kill these wasps, they will kill you, bulldoze your home and steal your land. http://x.com/realstewpeters/status/1711193017673982207
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Tue Oct 10 03:16:07 Do you find it odd that black people call each other nigga? It's a common word among immigrant in this country, new arrivals are colloquially refereed to as import-arab, import-kurd, These are your demons, not mine. As I have told you repeatedly in the past, my parents did not get a visa, they forged them. Sweden does not generally give out visas to citizens in countries at war. You are pretending to be retarded like Jergul and not understand what I am saying. I don't view a great number of immigrants, as part of a systemic problem and threat undermining the western system. A good heuristic is, where they out in the streets yesterday, celebrating the deliberate massacre, rape and kidnapping of innocent civilians? You are a hair away from WTB, who tried to shame me personally with average national IQ numbers, because I don't reject empirical facts and reality. In part revealing your confused moral software and your childlike understanding of the world. Have you see the education graphs for, immigrants of the same country of origin going to the USA and the EU? They are inverse: http://jsmp.dk/posts/2019-09-26-braindrain/immigration.html You are importing uneducated, religious nutbags while the USA is importing secular educated normal people.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Tue Oct 10 03:33:40 The Islamic threat to Europe is very real. We can forget all other immigrant groups, I see no systematic problem that they pose, that is worth talking about in the shadow of the Islamic problem. It is immigrants from Islamic countries that form the clan based criminal gangs, terrorist threats, riots, celebrating massacre of civilians, anti-semitism, the majority of hate crimes, systematic undermining and defrauding of the Swedish wellfare system, infiltration and kin/ethnically motivated undermining of sensitive societal functions. I wish it wasn’t so, but it is.
jergul large member	Tue Oct 10 04:20:45 CC Did you qualify with a cut-off date in your bet, or is that something you added now?
Paramount Member	Tue Oct 10 04:51:19 ”my parents did not get a visa, they forged them” So you came to Sweden illegally? I think SD, M, KD and L wants to kick out all the illegal immigrants and their offspring from Sweden. Would you be okay with going back to Iran?
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Tue Oct 10 05:09:01 You can't come "illegally" to Sweden or Europe, in any meaningful sense. As soon as you step foot here, your case for asylum must be tried through legal process. The salient point is that, it has served as a have your cake and eat it too for Sweden. You don't give visas to people you think need to flee. They have to find other (often dangerous) means to get here, and as soon as they get here, whatever bureaucratic illegality they engaged in to get here, can't be processed legally, because the grounds for asylum are supreme. It is incoherent and immoral policy.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Tue Oct 10 05:16:23 And the "punishment" for illegal migration is deportation. We were almost deported, we were waiting at the airport. Precisely because we got here illegally. A lawyer from the "invandrarverket" as it was called back then, stopped it in what was kind of a last moment kind of thing. She chastised the police that our application for asylum had not been assessed and that it would be violating half a dozen laws and conventions to deport us. It was a great investment of your parents and grandparents tax kronor. Law abiding citizens, tax paying citizens, involved in Swedish civil society, who are not celebrating massacre of civilians. The irony that this import appreciates this country and is willing to do more than you are to save it from the Barbarian hordes. You should be deported into a volcano.
Seb Member	Tue Oct 10 05:31:19 Nim: "import-arab, import-kurd" So it would not be accurate to describe your kids as imports then?
Seb Member	Tue Oct 10 05:32:04 Nim: "As I have told you repeatedly in the past, my parents did not get a visa, they forged them" I don't think you ever mentioned that they forged them. So you are an illegal immigrant?
Seb Member	Tue Oct 10 05:33:31 "your case for asylum must be tried through legal process" Yes, like the people you are feverently demanding to send back.
Seb Member	Tue Oct 10 05:34:36 "A lawyer from the "invandrarverket" as it was called back then, stopped it in what was kind of a last moment kind of thing. She chastised the police that our application for asylum had not been assessed and that it would be violating half a dozen laws and conventions to deport us." So your entire life as you know it is down to a "Seb", and you are arguing against that policy.
jergul large member	Tue Oct 10 06:09:21 Seb Pulling up the ladder is common phenonoma. People flee countries to get away from them. Too many of their old patriots sort of defeats the purpose.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Tue Oct 10 06:20:59 "So it would not be accurate to describe your kids as imports then?" The word is indicative of behavior, not physical properties. "I don't think you ever mentioned that they forged them." You think wrong. I have explained in detail, how several families in Iran worked together to achieve the forgery, after a smuggler scammed us. "So your entire life as you know it is down to a "Seb", and you are arguing against that policy." Sadly, because the sebs are idiots, and think all people of the same skin color are the same, things must change, drastically. You have sebbed things up pretty badly. The example of USA suggest, this is not fatalistic, but a regional problem with Euro sebs. You should be ashamed of yourself.
jergul large member	Tue Oct 10 06:28:22 Nimi Your internet persona is not exactly an example of a well integrated social democrat. Which is fine. Larping and all that. But taken at face value, it still represents a 5th column undermining traditional Swedish values. A precautionary approach would have Sweden do exactly as it is doing now. Practicing strict and rigerous migration laws based on country of origin. Remembering if you will that domestic terrorists come in all colours. The assumption of radicalism in one direction or another from certain countries is a fair one to make.
Seb Member	Tue Oct 10 06:32:51 Nim: "Sadly, because the sebs are idiots, and think all people of the same skin color are the same" That is hilarious. I argue that we should do RSDs and not blanket block people from Muslim countries or deny them RSD because they entered the country through improper channels. You yourself benefited from such a policy. Meanwhile you adopt the far right talking points that suggest there is a policy of letting anyone and everyone in and adopt their dehumanising language of imports. You are a sad, sad case Nim.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Tue Oct 10 06:34:41 You are not going to get anywhere, probing my personal history, which I have detailed on UP, several times. I also am not going to lie, because the lies would in some contrived way serve me or people who nominally look like me. I am not your monkey here to preform "authentic immigrant". I understand things like education level and class. You look at "people of my skin color" as some single mass, because you are racist. I have far far more in common with my blond and blue eyed Swedish coworkers (as we stepped foot on this soil, hence why the distance to integrate wasn't very far) than the people who have "my skin color" celebrating massacre on civilians. You lack the mental capacity to understand this, because you are a woke racists, unwittingly swept up by "strategic existentialism". All other countries on this planet that people migrate from, have all the same societal classes and dynamic as you do. They have criminals and doctors. Euro sebs have been importing criminals, illiterates and terrorists.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Tue Oct 10 06:41:45 "That is hilarious. I argue that we should do RSDs and not blanket block people from Muslim countries or deny them RSD because they entered the country through improper channels. You yourself benefited from such a policy." In a perfect world, where there are no sebs and Islamist, this would be optimal. "You are a sad, sad case Nim." Thank you, but I do not need your encouragement that what I am saying is correct. The only thing you have done so far, is probe my personal life and how I personal "feel", implying I should trampled facts and reason, in favor of solidarity based on "skin color". You are a woke racist, the kind of person I despise.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Tue Oct 10 06:43:40 strategic *essentialism*
jergul large member	Tue Oct 10 06:45:20 Nimi Like I said, your internet persona does not seem particularly well integrated, despite your LARP backstory of decending from a Middle Eastern drug lord. That is not on you. It takes three generations. Your family will have made it the first time your grandchildren roll their eyes at the crazy shit you say.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Tue Oct 10 06:48:22 "dehumanising language of imports." Words my nigga, they only have meaning in context.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Tue Oct 10 06:49:44 Jergul Like I said, lets meet and talk about it, I can make hot coco. But you bravely ran away :(
Seb Member	Tue Oct 10 06:55:28 http://twi...?t=nQ-C-GfZgz3Fi8x_tjRK7w&s=19 Gosh, I knew that Netenyahu and other anti -peace faction had considered Hamas highly useful to divide the Palestinians. But this quote is quite something.
jergul large member	Tue Oct 10 07:00:12 Nimi I engage with your net persona all the time. You have a profoundly wierd understanding courage. Is that some sort of Arab thing (I am attributing Arab blood to your internet persona, because why not)?
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Tue Oct 10 07:06:25 Great, come and engage with my internet persona in person. It will be even more fun.
jergul large member	Tue Oct 10 07:30:55 I could pop over to Kiruna if you ever made you way up there. Sweden in itself is not worth the trip. I have not been to Southern Sweden in decades. There are way too many other places more interesting.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Tue Oct 10 07:49:38 We can meet in Malmö, The Ramallah of The North. They have great falafels. It's definitely worth the trip, if we are lucky, we can catch a Quran burning riot or just a regular riot.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Tue Oct 10 07:54:16 Maybe you prefer the area around Falun, "the bastion" of Swedish white supremacy. But I was thinking at our place, bring the family. We can have tea on Persian carpets. Authentic Persian food. I have a bottle of whiskey and Vodka that I am saving for a special occasion.
Rugian Member	Tue Oct 10 09:17:48 IT'S HAPPENING!!!!!!!!! "Israel Readies for Ground War in Gaza" http://www...t-war-in-gaza-ef1899c3?mod=mhp
Paramount Member	Tue Oct 10 09:35:37 Rugian and Nimatzo should move in together as neighbours to these people. http://x.com/realstewpeters/status/1711193017673982207
Asgard Member	Tue Oct 10 09:42:59 Tuan, it will take at least a week before a ground invasion is possible Gaza is still too fortified and the reserve army is still under prepared
Asgard Member	Tue Oct 10 09:45:07 Deb, Yes, Netanyahu is a game of thrones Littlefinger, but it’s worse since he’s the King There is no low this scum would not stip to
Asgard Member	Tue Oct 10 09:45:20 Seb*
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Tue Oct 10 10:21:34 You think he will get re-elected? It seems his policies big and small have failed in a spectacular fashion.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Tue Oct 10 10:26:34 Paramount That is totally the moral equivalent of murdering and raping civilians.
Paramount Member	Tue Oct 10 10:39:11 No it isn't. I'm just pointing out that you can probably not live in peace if they move in next door to you. Look at the fate of the Palestinians and how they have suffered. Would you like to have them as a neighbor?
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Tue Oct 10 10:52:23 My back of the envelop calculation lays 20% of the blame at the feet of Israel. These reductive little anecdotes of yours are completely meaningless.
Sam Adams Member	Tue Oct 10 11:10:16 Plausible rumors this morning: US SF troops are on the ground in israel and will participate in the upcoming ground counterattack. Hamas found a maternity ward, raped and murdered the mothers and cut the heads off the babies. Thats the kind of thing that gets you nuked.
Allahuakbar Member	Tue Oct 10 11:17:38 I can confirm that this description is largely correct http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67056741 "Supernova festival: How massacre unfolded from verified video and social media" "And then the body by the car moves. The man, who appears to have been playing dead, stirs. He raises his head to see if the coast is clear. It's a fatal error. Seconds later, another militant jogs into frame and shoots him in the head at point blank range and walks away."
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Tue Oct 10 11:27:08 If you think this conflict is complicated, you are overthinking and underthinking it. I used to think so too, then I realized I had totally compartmentalized the fact that Palestinians are Muslims. Then you add Arab nationalist and socialist ideology and the anti-colonial ideas that come with it, suddenly nothing was complicated. You have an enemy ideology motivating on two front to hate the west. And the root of it, is Islam, the Jewish tribe of Banu Qurayza, the men were beheaded, the women taken as sex slaves. This is the Islamic way. When they are powerless, they will tolerate all kinds of shit, then when they have the forces and numbers, they will smack you on top of your head for showing your hair.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Tue Oct 10 11:31:02 "Hamas found a maternity ward, raped and murdered the mothers and cut the heads off the babies. Thats the kind of thing that gets you nuked." But look at these Jewish kids harassing tourists!! Wouldn't living next to them make you want to rape mothers and behead their children? Paramount would.
jergul large member	Tue Oct 10 12:15:24 Living too close at least seems to make people claim babies have been killed and mothers raped. But more worrisome perhaps is the gullibility of some here. Scale that up and we are literally speaking of billions of fools.
LazyCommunist Member	Tue Oct 10 12:15:33 A solution of this conflict is near. Kadyrov could send peacekeepers and end the violence. But I bet that the west will not allow Israel to accept this offer! http://www...rs-to-send-peacekeepers-a82712 Chechen leader Ramzan Kadyrov late Monday voiced support for Palestine and offered to send his soldiers to mediate the conflict between Israel and the Hamas militant group. “I address the leaders of Muslim nations — create a coalition and reach out to those who you call friends, Europe and the whole West, so that they don't bomb peaceful civilians on the pretext of destroying [Hamas] fighters,” Kadyrov said in a post shared on the messaging app Telegram. “We support Palestine. And we are against this war, which unlike other conflicts can escalate into something bigger,” he continued, adding: “If necessary, our units are ready to act as a peacekeeping force to restore order and counter any troublemakers.” When asked on Tuesday about the Chechen leader's remarks, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov told reporters that Russia continued to maintain ties with both Palestine and Israel. “We have long-standing historical ties with the Palestinians, we continue our contacts... but at the same time, we also have our relations with the state of Israel, with whom we also have a lot in common,” Peskov said, noting the "large number" of Russian nationals living in Israel.
obaminated Member	Tue Oct 10 12:22:21 Jergul, now denies the war crimes hamas has committed. They are all exaggerations. Video be damned.
Asgard Member	Tue Oct 10 12:26:38 Come on Jergul, these videos are out there within a google search reach, you are smarter than this.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Tue Oct 10 12:28:49 Obaminated, bad stuff happen during war. Chill and touch grass. Mkay?
jergul large member	Tue Oct 10 12:42:24 Asgard I am questioning only the Maternity Ward mothers raped newborns killed that sammy and nimi are perpetuating. I have seen claims like that before. It worked so well when the Kuwaiti ambassador's daughter pretended to be a nurse that witnessed Iraqi soldiers emptying incubators. In front of Congress no less. I know a significant number of civilians have been killed. Many under clear war crime conditions. Obam Lern2reed Nimi Lernonasti
Sam Adams Member	Tue Oct 10 12:44:53 At least a few babies had their heads cut off by palestinians, this is now confirmed by multiple news sources. "I have lifted all restrictions" -israeli minister of defense. Rofl gaza about to get it.
obaminated Member	Tue Oct 10 12:50:01 It's comical have wrong jergul has been wrong since day 1. "Everyone calm down this isn't a big deal, take a breath" "Israelis intelligence must feel embarrassed" "Within 24 hours Netanyahu will be bombing gaza to distract the media from this intelligence failure" "70 dead, maybe 100 at most" "There will be limited strategic strikes with gaza, nothing more" "Hamas is not raping mothers and beheading infants"
Paramount Member	Tue Oct 10 12:51:02 Obuminated ”Video be damned” So you have a video in which Hamas ”raped and murdered the mothers and cut the heads off the babies”?
obaminated Member	Tue Oct 10 12:55:02 And again. Under jerguls faux neutral demeanor with these utterly bad takes. And despite being consistently wrong, consistently underestimating the extent of damage and criminality committed by hamas, never once does jerguls position change. Meaning, he really doesn't care about what hamas does or has done. His solution or theory on what will happen will remain the same. Once again, don't blame jergul, laugh at him maybe, but it's him unintentionally showing his autistic mind.
obaminated Member	Tue Oct 10 12:56:16 http://www...oldiers-hamas-attacked-village
obaminated Member	Tue Oct 10 12:58:40 * didn't post that for Paramount. He will deny it happened. More for those of us who want an article on the subject as proof and evidence that it did happen.*
Paramount Member	Tue Oct 10 13:03:24 ” "It’s not a war, it’s not a battlefield. You see the babies, the mother, the father, in their bedrooms, in their protection rooms, and how the terrorists killed them," IDF Maj. Gen. Itai Veruv said, describing the scene, i24News reported. "It’s a massacre." That was not in a ”Maternity Ward” but in a Kibutz if I understand it correct. And not even the IDF says the victim were raped. "It’s a massacre." I’d call it karma. What Hamas did, killing mothers and children – Israel has done this to Palestinians for over a decade.
Paramount Member	Tue Oct 10 13:05:05 Now that Israelis are being treated the same way as Israel has treated Palestinians for decades, they get furious. Wow
obaminated Member	Tue Oct 10 13:09:52 Interesting! Paramounts and Jerguls arguments about what hamas has and has not done line up perfectly with nazi sympathizers who refused to believe certain things happened in concentration camps. Thankfully by the allies had the forethought to hold public trials to have it written down on the international record that such atrocities occurred. Hopefully once the dust has settled from this war Israel will do the same so future jerguls and Paramounts can't perpetuate lies about what didn't happen. "They didn't mention rape in this massacre! So clearly there wasn't any rape "
jergul large member	Tue Oct 10 13:11:22 Obam Again, what I have said is that Israel will not commit genocide and that Palestinian dead will be in the 4 digits. Touch grass and take a chill pill is to those hoping for genocide. So to posters like you. And of course this is a profound embarrassment to Israeli intelligence as Asgard has confirmed. It should not have been possible. Bombing Gaza, Incursions into gaza. Probably strikes against Iranian targets in Syria is what I said. I did not mention Lebanon, but could have. As to war crimes. I am sure they will be documented in full for one side at least. No need to leap on the speculative bandwagon. Sammy's original maternity ward rapes and babies killed was just too close to the complete fabrication used in Kuwait back in the day. So it begged a response, but I should probably have refrained. I have refrained making a point of Israel and Palestine having a complicated history. Now is neither the time or place for that.
Paramount Member	Tue Oct 10 13:14:09 No one mentioned rape when Trump was alone with Putin either. So clearly, Trump must have been raped by Putin. ^Obaminated’s logic
Sam Adams Member	Tue Oct 10 13:16:25 The best intepretation of the most recent data stands at this: In one town, 40 babies and kids were murdered by palestinians. This includes some babies that had their heads cut off. Some of the mothers were also raped and then executed.
jergul large member	Tue Oct 10 13:23:32 Sammy The data has one source. i24 claimed an unnamed IDF person told them 40 babies had been killed and some of the corpses were decapitated. The best intepretation is the number and age description are exagerrated (the village was kind of small. The population not nearly large enough for 40 babies) and yes, explosives and shrapnel in enclosed spaces can mutilate bodies horribly. What we do know from other sources is that Hamas troops did not clear safe rooms and shelters physically. They tossed explosives into them. Some people were caught in the streets or in the desert very early in the attacks. After that, people would obviously seek to the safety of prepared shelters. All the attacked settlements have multiple safe rooms and shelters. The villages are close to Gaza after all.
murder Member	Tue Oct 10 13:33:57 "Plausible rumors this morning: US SF troops are on the ground in israel and will participate in the upcoming ground counterattack." Hostage rescue teams maybe ... though I doubt even that.
jergul large member	Tue Oct 10 14:00:21 Murder US CV. Potential air support. Ground Controller needs escort and laison with IDF. I can easily see special forces moosing around in the background.
Sam Adams Member	Tue Oct 10 14:01:08 "The data has one source." Wrong. Multiple reporters from mutiple nations were there.
Sam Adams Member	Tue Oct 10 14:03:03 Including CNN, which normally hates israel.
Seb Member	Tue Oct 10 14:03:09 Jergul: There's French media that have independently eyewitnessed multiple beheaded babies at a hospital. I was thinking it might be being spun but it appears beyond doubt now that in at least one off the attacked towns Hamas terrorists did systematically decapitate a bunch of infants.
Seb Member	Tue Oct 10 14:08:16 I don't think, on balance, it was just wounds from explosions. I am presuming war correspondents can tell the difference. Also if I recall the phrase "throats slit" was also used. OSINT folks are claiming Hamas have videos on their telegram channels but fucked if I'm going to go looking to verify.
jergul large member	Tue Oct 10 14:15:38 Seb War crimes will be fully investigated in any event. I am not getting on a bandwagon at this juncture.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Tue Oct 10 14:21:08 lol
obaminated Member	Tue Oct 10 14:32:15 Imagine being so morally bankrupt that you'd sooner deny a war atrocity happened than believe it happened. Then when shown evidence it happened state it probably didn't happen to the degree it's being reported. And then sink further by washing your hands of any condemnation by simply saying "war crimes will be fully investigated in any event" despite war crimes going unreported throughout human history.
obaminated Member	Tue Oct 10 14:34:40 I mean. As has been stated. Jergul feigns neutrality but there is a cold calculation in his constant under estimating the atrocities hamas has been committing. It's all for show. We know where he really stands and as nim as stated, jergul lacks the courage to actually come out and state he believes the Palestinians are in the right and deserve to strike Israel however they can. Instead he will continue to speak with faux stoicism and neutrality.
Seb Member	Tue Oct 10 14:59:47 Obaminated: He's been spinning Russia's abduction of Ukrainian children.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Tue Oct 10 15:11:54 Hamas has a stated goal of annihilating Israel, killing the Jews and creating an Islamic state, genocide is a stated goal in their charter. It's like reading Mein kampf and then, as the news trickles in about concentration camps and gas chambers, tell everyone you are not ready to jump on a band wagon yet. lol :)
jergul large member	Tue Oct 10 15:34:57 Seb and Obam Take a chill pill and touch some grass. Enough attrocities occur in wars. There is absolutely no need manufacture speculative outrage based on unclear evidence. The presumption of innocence remains true for warcrimes too. Many actions in the Hamas operation are unjustifiable. You missed a big one. clearing saferooms and shelters with explosives are definitely warcrimes. I mentioned it above. You people have serious problems. Reasonable dissent (in this case. What is up with your genocidal urges?) is not only acceptable, it is a lynchin for any democratic system. On Russian abductions. It is not black and white. Parents and guardians also have recourse to reunification. Read up a bit about an occupying duty to protect vulnerable and more generally about the state of pre-war Ukrainian orphanages. That fuckups have occurred? Sure. Is fuckup not the natural Russian state in your minds? Never attribute evil when incompetence has sufficient explanatory power. In sum. I am not going to oblige you by submitting to mass hysteria. Justice will come. Let the many investigations figure it out.
Rugian Member	Tue Oct 10 15:38:23 "Justice will come." Yes it will. It will come in the form of a shitload of bullets, bombs, and bulldozers.
Rugian Member	Tue Oct 10 15:43:04 "Justice will come." Yes it will. It will come in the form of a shitload of bullets, bombs, and bulldozers.
jergul large member	Tue Oct 10 15:57:13 Ruggy Well, bulldozers eventually. There is still 2.4 million tons of debris from the last time Gaza was seriously bombed to clean up. But bombs. Definitely bombs. There is a certain shortfall of shells because *reasons*.
Rugian Member	Tue Oct 10 16:08:14 Jergul You seem to think that Israel is going to treat this as business as usual. There are very strong calls at the moment to bomb the shit out of Iran for their role in the attacks. If *that's* on the table, then God help whatever is left of Gaza when this is all over.
jergul large member	Tue Oct 10 16:13:33 Ruggy Like I said, I am sure Israel will strike Iranian command bunkers in Syria. Too late to attack Iran proper. Israel would have had to use its Iron Dome missiles way more conservatively if that was supposed to be on the table. 2.4 million tons of rubble is nothing to tsk over. It is one of the problems with escalation. It has been done before.
Rugian Member	Tue Oct 10 16:16:10 Jergul I would not rule out US involvement in an anti-Iran operation. Particularly 15 months from now when President Trump remakes office.
Rugian Member	Tue Oct 10 16:17:02 14 dead Americans with hostages taken The US needs to kill people over this
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