Utopia Talk / Politics / Based God Milei Wins in Argentina

Cherub Cow Member	Sun Nov 19 23:28:41 "Argentine libertarian Milei pledges new political era after election win" [Reuters; November 19th, 2023] http://www...-election-thriller-2023-11-19/
Cherub Cow Member	Sun Nov 19 23:28:47 They've been calling him "Trump-like", so that's a good sign. Whenever the Regime wants to activate the friend/enemy distinction in their psychosis mobs (e.g., tw), they'll say that someone is the "Trump" of another nation. People have probably seen lots of cool videos of Milei floating around where he talks about shit-libs and climate cultists. He's like Ramaswamy in that he's super in the know about the global totalitarian scheme. But the question is the same: is he a plant? Italy's Giorgia Meloni disappointed a lot of people by suddenly turning moderate on immigration issues after being elected and has fallen for the trap of chasing "sustainability" accreditation, so the assumption is that puppets are being placed even for the anti-globalist reactionaries. We'll have to see his initial policy decisions.
Im better then you 2012 UP Football Champ	Mon Nov 20 02:53:10 No one can control Argentina inflation and Milei's proposals will only make it worse.
Cherub Cow Member	Mon Nov 20 03:12:15 Couldn't be worse than whatever Biden is doing. That's the new standard.
Cherub Cow Member	Mon Nov 20 07:57:07 It's not good to evaluate a win or loss based entirely on the coping and seething of leftists, but it's at least entertaining: "Milei is a disaster of Argentina. "It could mean the end of BRICS membership, accelerated privatization, and the strangulation of the economy to the U.S. dollar. "A leader who wants to put their entire country up for sale to the U.S. has no place in Latin America." http://twitter.com/SpiritofHo/status/1726445466861400404
Rugian Member	Mon Nov 20 08:17:30 Well good for him, but he's a career economist with virtually zero governing or legislative experience and the National Congress is controlled by leftists. My prediction is that he'll have a middling presidency and that CC will end up having a complete falling out with him because of some super-minor doctrinal dispute (like Milei refusing to ban Jews from his administration or something).
Cherub Cow Member	Mon Nov 20 08:42:02 "super-minor doctrinal dispute (like Milei refusing to ban Jews from his administration or something)." Yeah, "super-minor" willingness to take part in global enslavement. "Super-minor". Totally. :| Internalize that you cannot break the wheel by taking part in the Marxist dialectic. Jewish bureaucrats are largely playing this dialectic. But if he purges the bureaucracies I'll be happy to see someone setting a good example for Western leaders to follow. Divesting from sustainability/ESG/DIE would also be a major plus, and he has stated his intent to do this.
Dukhat Member	Mon Nov 20 08:56:32 CC basically just stays home and does nothing but read far-right and conspiracy social media nonsense. A useful tool for the kleptocrats to manipulate and nothing else.
Hrothgar Member	Mon Nov 20 09:02:16 "No one can control Argentina inflation and Milei's proposals will only make it worse." Can't have inflation if there is no national currency at all! Any inflation that happens at that point is someone else's fault!
Rugian Member	Mon Nov 20 09:20:30 CC For a variety of reasons, Jews enjoy a disproportionate representation in various power structures, both governmental and private, across the globe. And yeah, some of those power holders have turned out to be complete assholes (looking at you, Soros and Fink). To claim that International Jewry is engaged in a massive conspiracy to subjugate the world is ridiculous. There are Jewish dicks, just like there are Christian and secular dicks. It's not a unique trait to the Jews. For every one Soros, there are ten Bill Gates. It is annoying that the majority of American Jews are leftists, but that's a function of them being wildly over-educated. They're not conspiring to destroy the purity of your race.
Average Ameriacn Member	Mon Nov 20 10:08:21 They want our Dollar, is that good or bad for us? Can they increase our debt??? If only Trump would be in the Wihte House right now, he would know what to do.
Paramount Member	Mon Nov 20 14:26:23 He is going to sell out his country and everything to American jewish oligarchs.
murder Member	Mon Nov 20 15:20:38 The UK may want to beef up the defenses on the Falkland Islands.
murder Member	Mon Nov 20 15:32:46 "They want our Dollar, is that good or bad for us?" The more people use the USD the better. But you can't assume that he intends to do something just because he says so.
murder Member	Mon Nov 20 15:48:59 btw I have to ask ... wtf is it with right wing wackos and stupid hair? Is it a means of self-identifying as a loon to other loons, or is it just some weird coincidence?
murder Member	Mon Nov 20 15:56:45 On second thought I wouldn't be surprised if Milei ditches dollarization and instead tries to replace the peso with shitcoin.
Paramount Member	Mon Nov 20 16:20:29 Why is Milei waving the Nazi Israel flag? As a president of Argentina, shouldn’t he be waving the Argentinian flag? http://x.com/spiritofho/status/1726448432989044797
Cherub Cow Member	Mon Nov 20 20:09:20 [Dukhat (Projection Bot)]: "CC basically just stays home and does nothing but read far-right and conspiracy social media nonsense. [/] A useful tool for the kleptocrats to manipulate and nothing else." It's once again extremely useful to realize that Dukhat is projecting. I myself am incredibly active outdoors, so what we're seeing from Dukhat is another admission of his real life: he never leaves home, only reads Blue-Anon bullshit from social media, and is a tool for the kleptocracy. And it's demonstrable too. When has Dukhat produced any insights? When has he gone off the DNC reservation? Never. He is a Reddit Hivemind enthusiast. Even his "Trump was right" thread is a DNC talking point. He is a meme and a Twitter-length throwaway thought. He's one of the more boring multis, though he is a comical satire of left-wing thought, for sure, and so I do appreciate whoever has made this particular multi such a consistent joke over the years. And speaking of projection... [murder]: "wtf is it with right wing wackos and stupid hair?" Oh, it's *right* wing wackos? Remind us, is it the left or the right which has been infamously pigeon-holed as having blue hair and face piercings? But what, you get Trump, Milei, and (maybe, if he counts as "right") Boris Johnson who have wild hair and suddenly you have a pattern worth noticing? Did you ask this question about the black bloc insurrectionists who stormed the White House in May 2020? ... [Rugian]: "To claim that International Jewry is engaged in a massive conspiracy to subjugate the world is ridiculous. There are Jewish dicks, just like there are Christian and secular dicks. It's not a unique trait to the Jews. For every one Soros, there are ten Bill Gates." I have explained before, but a central premise of Judaism is enslavement. The only way that a Jewish person can evade this dialectic of enslavement is to.. • reject slave morality (a core premise of Jewish life) • reject the status as "Chosen" ("Chosen" is a "Master Race" claim) • reject dual citizenship (one cannot avoid being a parasite if one is sending wealth to another nation) • reject the Jew/Gentile ethnic dialectic (an extension of the "Master Race" claim) What percentage of Jewish people do you suppose will reject these tenants? What is the result of Jewish people with these beliefs reaching the seats of power? Ben Shapiro is one of these "right-wing" Jews, yet he expresses all of these beliefs. The Intellectual Dark Web (IDW) Jews are centrists and largely right-wing, yet they largely refelct these beliefs (e.g., Sam Harris, Eric Weinstein). [Rugian]: "For a variety of reasons, Jews enjoy a disproportionate representation in various power structures, both governmental and private, across the globe." And the claim that Jews are simply more educated and therefore end up in positions of power is a red herring. This same tactic is seen in memes which make fun of the Jewish representation argument by claiming that Irish people are also in positions of power. The core falsification of this "just well-educated" argument is stratification. Irish people are in positions of power... but are also stratified across society. As a Gaussian/Normal distribution, people *not* observing the Master–Slave dialectic stratify throughout society based on factors such as IQ distribution *within* the group to address its *complete* needs. This is because a non-enslavement morality finds value in labors which benefit society as a whole rather than work which specifically controls society (e.g., consider how U.S. tipping culture gives extra value to "mundane"/"menial" work as a rejection of class stratification — and consider which Master–Slave dialectic ethnicities are bad tippers). So, for instance, even Irish people of high IQ might find themselves working in agriculture; they will simply have higher-level positions within the field. Is the same stratification of Jewish people seen in society? No. http://www...and-well-being-among-u-s-jews/ Jewish people inordinately seek out particular jobs with power and influence — regardless of in-group IQ. In order of representation these are jobs in education, health care, the arts, banking, and trade. Laboring jobs account for an incredibly small amount of Jewish representation — even among their low-IQ people it's less than a percentage point. What percentage of your ethnicity are willing to do labor? Is it less than one percent? This over-representation in positions of power is no accident and no mundane consequence of education. Even well-educated white people who become doctors will often return to their home towns to act as IQ buffers (compare IQ buffers to Nick Land's "IQ Shredders", which are society-organizations which extract high IQ people and leave small towns without high-IQ management). This is a matter of morality. A people with a Master morality will seek out positions of power over others, whereas a people with a noble morality will seek out positions which are virtuous in society (virtuous as a direct line to society's overall survival). This noble morality is seen in the Cincinnatus myth: society's true moral core being seen in the hero who is willing to be a farmer — *not* seen in the dictator who refuses to be a farmer. And even as a simple coaching strategy within Judaism and the Chabad groups (i.e., not expressly drawing from the Master–Slave dialectic, though it is), Jewish practitioners are taught to push exclusively for positions of power and influence. If a Jewish person fails to become a lawyer/politician or banker (i.e., not educated enough), rabbis and Jewish families will push for Jewish youth to become entertainers and comedians — seeking out positions of influence in society. If they must do something "menial", they are taught to immediately push for promotions without responsibility (a violation of Heinlein's noble morality formula of authority *with* responsibility). They do *not* recommend a summer on a construction site, as might an Irish community. TLDR: • Noble morality — seeks out the positions in society which best fit one's ability to support the survival of society, whether that be the farmer, the baker, or the politician; one accepts equal parts authority and responsibility. • (Enforced) slave morality — seek out only positions in society with no responsibility; have no survival instinct for themselves much less society; bad even at mundane work. • "Master" morality — an extension of slave morality; seeks out only positions of power in society; seeks authority but not responsibility, which is borne by their slaves. Jewish people most largely seek out the Master morality as a Master Race. This is baked into the pie of the Bat/Bar Mitzvah indoctrination. It is these traps of morality which appear whenever a society is being subjected to weaponized slave morality. A society realizes that its noble morality is being turned into a slave morality where they are meant to serve a Master Race. As a demoralization campaign, propaganda gets the noble people to believe that they should not accept responsibility and instead accept slavery under the "Masters"; it becomes part of the moral code of the slave society to reject positions of power as immoral (e.g., the immorality of being a soldier, of being a politician, of being a leader). This allows adherents to the Master–Slave dialectic to infiltrate these abandoned positions of power, making them slave networks for the Masters. But again, while it is not all Jewish people, Jewish people who are truly against this must reject the lie of the "Chosen" status. The existence of a "Chosen" implies a not-Chosen just as a Master implies a slave. People of this dialectic should not be in positions of power, whether that be Jews or leftist destroyers of the DNC–BLM–WEF–ESG movement.
murder Member	Mon Nov 20 22:56:06 "Oh, it's *right* wing wackos? Remind us, is it the left or the right which has been infamously pigeon-holed as having blue hair and face piercings?" Yes, Joe Biden and Barack Obama totally went through that blue hair and face piercing phase. ;o)
Cherub Cow Member	Mon Nov 20 23:01:40 Nice deflection, weakling.
Seb Member	Tue Nov 21 05:53:30 Murder: I think we have a carrier with an embarked squadron now. Maybe we should draw down defences. Could be a nice little live fire exercise.
murder Member	Tue Nov 21 09:42:04 Yeah, once the fleet gets there it would be over. But crazy pants may be able to do some damage before that. It's always better to be safe than sorry around crazy. Argentina doesn't have much, but as you saw with Hamas, it doesn't take much.
AnimalActivist Member	Tue Nov 21 10:37:37 I like him: htts://www.themirror.com/news/world-news/javier-mileis-cloned-dead-dog-199039 His close relationship with his pets all started in 2004 when he adopted an English mastiff called Conan, named after 1982 film Conan the Barbarian. Milei said the dog became his "true and greatest love" and that he came to see Conan as "literally his son". The single and childless new president has credited the 200 lb dog with sticking by his side through everything and being his closest friend. When Conan died in 2017, Milei decided to visit a medium in order to communicate with his beloved pet. During that conversation, Milei said Conan gave him the task of becoming president of Argentina. Milei believes he and Conan met in a previous life more than 2,000 years ago as a gladiator and lion in the Roman Colosseum, but the pair did not fight to the death as they were destined to join forces in the future. He believes this was a prophecy of his future presidential campaign. Devastated by the loss of his beloved pet, Milei paid around $50,000 to the US company PerPETuate around a year after his death to clone Conan using his DNA, which he had reportedly been planning to do for some time. The cloning produced five puppies, whom Milei named after the original Conan along with economists Murray Rothbard, Milton Friedman, and Robert Lucas. Milei has been known to refer to the current clone of Conan as his son, and doesn't distinguish between him and the original Conan, while the other four dogs are referred to as his "grandchildren". He's said to seek advice from his dogs when it comes to matters of his campaign, policy and other important decisions. Argentinian journalist Juan Luis González has written an unauthorized biography about Milei, entitled El Loco (The Madman). In an interview with Spanish newspaper 20minutos, Mr González said Milei "is convinced that the dogs advise him in different areas: one in politics, another in economics, another gives him general advice."
Consvativ Member	Wed Nov 22 12:17:43 I'm sure he will open death camps and kill all shit leftists http://twitter.com/Capitan_Swing/status/1726521678887547226 His eyes, his face, he has the power to do it!
Seb Member	Wed Nov 22 17:18:43 Robin Williams on one of his coked up stand up shows, but if he was a fascist.
Paramount Member	Thu Nov 23 00:16:16 Far-right leader Geert Wilders wins Dutch election, early results show Wilders wants to ban mosques and leave the EU. ‘Voters are fed up,’ he says. http://www...wins-dutch-election-exit-poll/
Paramount Member	Thu Nov 23 00:20:20 With Israel flag in background, Wilders celebrates exit poll predicting major Dutch election victory http://www.ynetnews.com/article/h1smz113va If he is running for Prime Minister of the Netherlands, shouldn't he have the Dutch flag in the background and not the Israeli flag?
Paramount Member	Thu Nov 23 00:38:45 Ah... now I know! The display of the Israel flag is just to show that they are "the good nazis". It's a prerequisite to be able to win as a fascist. You have to be "a good fascist" and show affiliation to zionists. That opens the doors to power.
Cherub Cow Member	Thu Nov 23 01:14:36 [Paramount]: "The display of the Israel flag is just to show that they are "the good nazis"." Exactly, Paramount! Dumbfucks such as Seb can call Milei a "fascist" even as Milei supports Israel because.. umm.. he needs to support Israel *harder*?
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Thu Nov 23 04:07:52 If man can be woman and woman can be man, people who support Israel can be "literal" Nazis. This is one of the huge hurdles in having any form of dialogue who have weaponized language. We are living through the tower of babel story.
Cherub Cow Member	Thu Nov 23 18:22:45 Very good point. It's part and parcel of the subversion of language — distancing the word from the reality and having some living the reality meant by the origin words and having some living the delusion-words divorced from the reality.. but having them live together with the same words. It's gotten to the point where if you want to communicate with a lot of the left you just have to use completely separate language to find words that haven't yet been distorted.. but they'll still obfuscate that language too. That's Seb's M.O., but he's not even unique.
Cherub Cow Member	Mon Dec 11 19:24:34 I'm getting pretty annoyed with this false messaging occurring among the Twitter-right at the moment. Way too many right-wing reactionaries are clearly falling for a headline, showing that they're selectively incompetent — a bad sign if you accept the premise of the Gell-Mann Amnesia Effect wherein their being blatantly wrong on one issue likely indicates that they're wrong on many issues outside of their narrow expertise. This false messaging is from the UK's Telegraph article titled, "Javier Milei about-turns as he commits to Paris climate agreement" [December 10th, 2023] http://www...ts-to-paris-climate-agreement/ (same article removed from pay-wall on Yahoo Finance): http://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/javier-milei-turns-commits-paris-192529082.html People who have fallen for it: • Way of the World http://twitter.com/wayotworld/status/1734165489289515463 • Academic Agent (@OGRolandRat) fell for it http://twitter.com/OGRolandRat/status/1734190879844573379 • Hotep Jesus (unsurprising; he's a former leftist) https://twitter.com/HotepJesus/status/1734280450481193277 • Paul Watson (unsurprising; he has a large audience and is caught in content churn's frequent mistakes) https://twitter.com/PrisonPlanet/status/1734161307140550804 • Morgoth (very disappointing; he's usually one of the best) http://twitter.com/MorgothsReview/status/1734122690565255221 • Carl Benjamin (another disappointment) http://twitter.com/Sargon_of_Akkad/status/1734123110629081140 But, what does the article actually *say*?? Article: "But the country’s new top climate diplomat, Marcia Levaggi, told Reuters on Sunday that Mr Milei’s government had sent her to head the Argentine delegation at the United Nations Cop28 climate talks underway in Dubai." And further detail from Reuters: http://www.reuters.com/business/environment/argentina-will-stay-paris-climate-agreement-under-milei-negotiator-says-2023-12-10/ • "Levaggi, who has been serving as Argentina's ambassador to Senegal, said she was called to Buenos Aires about a week ago and asked by the new foreign minister to take the job." • ""This is why I came to this COP, to reassure our party stakeholders and people following the process that Argentina will stay committed to the Paris Agreement. We will honour all our environmental agreements," Levaggi said." In other words, Milei appointed climate activist Marcia Levaggi "about a week ago", and she *believes* that she has the support of the government as she attends COP28 in Dubai. This is different than Milei actually *agreeing* to any Paris agreements. Some people erroneously believe that sending a delegate who has particular policy preferences means that those policies will indeed be enacted (first-order thinking), whereas when dealing with infiltrated governments it can be useful to send a true believer into the nest as a kind of spy before completing neutering that unwitting spy's entire policy imperative (second-order thinking). Consider Musk's strategy with Linda Yaccarino. People believed that the presence of this kind of DEI activist would result in Twitter going right back to the globalist Regime, but Yaccarino has been largely spayed. I pointed out this possibility it May: https://twitter.com/CherubCow/status/1657360221533249537 "The only possible positive angle that I see for Musk hiring Linda Yaccarino is that he's setting her up and plans to expose the WEF and ESG's corporate blackmail through her dealings while she works for Twitter. This is perhaps unlikely, but imagine having access to Fink's comms. What is the value of Larry Fink's unlocked cell phone?" It's summed as "Keep your friends close; keep your enemies closer." If you appoint an outsider, people may not deal with that outsider at all. Whereas, if you have an insider who already has globalist connections, then you have a more accurate sensorium for your global enemies. That is, you can hear their unfiltered plans and imperatives. Does this mean that this "unwitting and malicious insider" logic *is* happening? No. But these right-wing figures are taking the black pill too early. The real markers of whether or not Milei is just another WEF stooge is whether or not he signs *policy* which effects Paris agreement criteria. As recently as yesterday Milei was announced as on track to shrink government bureaucracies from 18 to 8, which itself would dis-empower anything that Levaggi would attempt (his inauguration speech is here, btw, https://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/javiermileipresidentialinauguraladdress.htm ). And the big question is financing. If Milei accepts IMF financing and debt restructuring to fix the former admin's failures, that's a sign that he's going to comply with ESG/"Sustainability" G-Index offers (i.e., nations under debt crises are artificially supplied IMF "deals" which further capture their governments). Argentina's G-Index currently sits at 62.2% (current WorldEconomics.com ratings), so if that percentage climbs in the coming months then that will be a clear sign also. TLDR: The right is taking the Milei blackpill too early. I appreciate how jaded the right is about controlled opposition, but these people do not know how to read the signs. The sign of a Milei subterfuge is not "[Oh no! He sent a climate activist to Dubai!]". The sign is, "[Oh, he just accepted debt restructuring from the IMF and boosted Argentina's G-Index]". The latter has *not* happened. It's literally his first day in office. Calm down.
jergul large member	Tue Dec 12 23:32:28 http://edi...a-milei-peso-dollar/index.html
Paramount Member	Wed Dec 13 17:27:03 Milei: ”I hate China and I will never do business with them!” Milei now: ”My country is broke and I fking suck, please China help me, send us your moneys!” http://x.com/davidrkadler/status/1734578875802194294
Capitalist Member	Sat Dec 16 04:36:34 I love him, public protest always disturb the process of making money! http://eng...own-on-argentina-protests.html The new protocol against demonstrations plans to group the four security forces - the Federal Police, the Gendarmerie, the Naval Prefecture, and the Airport Security Police - under the Ministry of Security to break up protests blocking streets and roads. “Action will be taken until the circulation space is completely freed,” Bullrich said. “The forces will use the minimum sufficient force, which will be graduated in proportion to the degree of resistance.” The minister and a former presidential candidate for the traditional right wing, who allied with Milei after her defeat, has appealed to one of the main concerns among her voters: the idea that the street blockades generate disorder that does not allow “people to live normally and in peace”. “We have lived for many years under total and absolute disorder,” Bullrich said. “It is time to put an end to this methodology, to the extortion suffered by citizens.” Federal forces will have the power to arrest those who “commit crimes” during protests, will be able to act on public transportation to seize protest “material, such as sticks” and to investigate “hooded” citizens or those attending protests while “trying not to be recognized.” Bullrich has affirmed that a registry of social organizations that “instigate” protests will be created and that she will “send the bill” for “the expenses” of repression to those responsible. “The state is not going to pay for the use of the security forces. The organizations with legal status or the individuals will have to pay,” said the minister, who also announced that foreigners residing in the country with a temporary permit who participate in the protests will be reported to the Immigration Services. “They can demonstrate on the sidewalk. We do not want street or roadblocks,” the minister said. “This is not a problem of ideologies; it is a problem of understanding once and for all that the country must live in peace and order.” “The guarantor protocol of Nilda Garré is repealed,” stated Bullrich at the end of her press conference, in reference to the rules governing police actions in the face of protests that was installed in 2011 during the government of Cristina Fernández de Kirchner. Garré, who was Minister of Security at the time, established some basic rules of engagement during demonstrations, such as police intervention being deployed in a “progressive” manner, starting with dialogue with the organizers of the protest. The Garré protocol also established the prohibition of officers who might come into direct contact with the demonstrators from carrying firearms, that rubber bullets could only be used “for defensive purposes,” that all officers and their vehicles should be visibly identified, and that the police should guarantee free news coverage of protests without preventing journalists from taking testimonies and photographs. What the repeal of this protocol would entail remains unclear.
Cherub Cow Member	Sat Dec 23 18:18:15 Kulak has spoken: "The reason I don't buy all the Milei sell-out talking points pushed by media and Desantis types, Is just basic phrenology. "The man had the sanpaku blue eyes and mannerisms of the autistic true believer. "He might lead his nation to ruin... but he'll lead it exactly where his AnarchoCapitalism tells him to. "This is one of the great historical archetypes of ethno-Germans, these men whose "Piercing" eyes are always commented upon. Going back through Bismark, Blucher, Frederick Barbarossa... all the way back to the Berserkers and Arminius' victory over Rome... "There is a unique and unmistakable quality to the fury and fanaticism of the Germanic Autist." http://twitter.com/FromKulak/status/1738645242574688719 That is, Based God Milei may indeed be a WEF plant. Based God Milei may indeed be owned by Israel and therefore be a tool for its globalist strategy. But Based God Milei is an Ultra Autist 9000. If he perceives that the WEF or Israel is subverting his Ultra-Autist vision for society, he will discard them like globalists discard leftist client groups after the utility and voting power of those client groups has waned. The power of Milei is in his will to power: his knowledge of true noble morality and the will to effect it. ¡AFUERA!
murder Member	Sat Dec 23 21:51:11 Drugs will rot your brain.
Allahuakbar Member	Sun Dec 24 03:05:32 The jews control him! Look at this video, look at his eyes, his body language. He is full of fear and stress. He knows he should not be there among the jews, but he can't leave as THEY have the power in his country, know many of his dark secrets and he has to follow their orders: http://twitter.com/fmjai/status/1728596557224911340
Seb Member	Sun Dec 24 03:44:28 Sometimes your gotta let the lunatics take over until enough of the electorate realise they need to vote rationally. Every so often the tree is rationality needs to be liberally watered with the tears of ideologues (and the squandered wealth of the nation).
jergul large member	Sun Dec 24 04:10:55 Seb I almost liked what you did there. Add slightly more hyperbole for flavour.
Seb Member	Sun Dec 24 04:56:33 Meow.
Cherub Cow Member	Sun Dec 24 18:28:07 [Seb (actual literal traitor to the West)]: "Sometimes your gotta let the lunatics take over until enough of the electorate realise they need to vote rationally." What hilarious about this is that Seb's destroyers are the "lunatics" who have shown that they should never have power in the West. Sebbish leftists should never be allowed to infiltrate bureaucracies again, and should be denied the franchise for all time.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Dec 24 19:17:33 The coping of Sebgul amuses me.
Seb Member	Mon Dec 25 17:15:19 Nim: Coping of what, exactly? You are like a gambling addict. You can't see an event without turning it into a false binary. Cherub Cow: "Actual literal traitor shea le bouef"
Seb Member	Mon Dec 25 17:16:03 "he's conspiring with the reds, Shia la-bouef"
Seb Member	Mon Dec 25 17:16:32 Gos that's going to stick with me all night now.
Seb Member	Tue Dec 26 02:24:22 He's plotting with the Marxists under the bed! Actual literal traitor Shia labeouf.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Tue Dec 26 04:45:08 Coping with the political victory of anyone to the right of Mao. So, your ”binary” remark is hilarious, you know coming from someone who labels his political opponents fascist or “literal Nazis”. Introspection level: Turd.
murder Member	Tue Dec 26 05:05:53 It's Argentina. There's at least even odds that he's a literal Nazi.
Seb Member	Tue Dec 26 16:26:38 Nim: Not all my political opponents are literal Nazis, but obviously the ones walking around with Nazi regalia are. You seem to have a weird belief that "introspection" means accepting your frankly delusional and paranoid beliefs without question.
Seb Member	Tue Dec 26 16:30:20 As for Milie, I think I described him as "Robin Williams, but a fascist". By passing the legislature by use of executive decree to completely restructure the state sounds pretty much like I expected. True, I didn't expect a neckbeard to weigh in with a forenzinc discussion as to whether he was merely autocratic, fascist or Nazi or whatever in his precise political philosophy. The weight of the comment was clearly Robin Williams - a coked up comedian. Are you sure you aren't autistic?
Cherub Cow Member	Wed Dec 27 06:14:31 [Seb (Actual literal traitor to the West)]: "By passing the legislature by use of executive decree to completely restructure the state sounds pretty much like I expected." I wonder if anywhere in Seb's sick mind that he could ever perceive what must be done by an executive if a nation has been captured by Marxist destroyers. Likely Seb cannot conceive of it because he is one of the very same Marxist destroyers, so any actions taken against him will feel to him like would a doctor's cut to an alien parasite — it merely coaxes him to squeeze more firmly around his host ("Alien" scene: http://youtu.be/INCptskczb4?si=IbKEpnOs1Ek3pkCe&t=77 ). That is, could Seb know how he would feel if he hadn't had breakfast this morning? No. He *did* have breakfast. Or rather, only if there were a Marxist incentive in his considering the hypothetical. There are some hypotheticals that Seb simply cannot perceive from his treasonous position. Like, for instance, *hypothetically*, if your government's bureaucracy had indeed been infiltrated by destroyers — and you were *not* just another one of these destroyers — how might you remove them? To a Marxist destroyer, the hypothetical cannot be reconciled. The Marxist's enemies are the powerful and noble people who founded a state and preserve its future, so a Marxist destroyer would address this with the slithering deceptions of the Seb: gradually infiltrate and degrade everything he touches until he is surrounded in the "end zone" by others who are visibly slimy and grotesque. Subversion is how cowards achieve power. But how does a noble person wrest power from destroyers? He might do so by simply firing them, reducing their power in the government, reducing the power of government itself, and returning powers to decentralized peoples. Milei's strategy is *not* to simply consolidate his own powers through the liquidation of bureaucracy, but Seb cannot perceive this. Milei's actions are *not* fascist because he is *dis*-empowering the central state, but because Seb is a Marxist destroyer who sees the Marxist cancer being cut from positions of power within the centralized state, he cries out in pain, "Fascist!" "Fascist" to a destroyer simply means, "An enemy of the destroyers." Milei could make bankers cry in the streets and wrest power from the global-governance tyranny by restoring local and national sovereignty (i.e., *not* fascist acts since they disempower the state); and Seb would simply perceive it as an infraction against totalitarianism, recognize that his parasitic payday is at risk, and cry out in pain at the very thought of being rightly excised.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Wed Dec 27 07:44:19 Seb "Not all my political opponents are literal Nazis" And all Muslims don't rape all the time. The important thing here to internalize is that, no one cares anymore who you call a nazi or fascist, racist, sexist or any of ists that come out of your mouth. It's just, oh right, crazy person who litterally invented "microagressions" to be indignate and traumatized by nothing. "You seem to have a weird belief that "introspection" means accepting your frankly delusional and paranoid beliefs without question." No no, I and other have been very specific, you can have all kinds of ideas I disagree with and I wouldn't think any less of you. Obviously I am not going rehash 20 years of your decietful behavior and just sheer crazy, but it's very specific things that pushes you to the deep end. It's about intellectual intengrity and honesty, you are completely bankrupt. "The weight of the comment was clearly Robin Williams - a coked up comedian." Even here, you confirm what I am saying, you have such disregard for words and meaning, you have even forgotten why these words entered the vernacular in the first place. You have emptied them of any and all meaning so that "Robin Williams" is the *weight* of the comment in "Robin Williams, but if he was fascist".
Seb Member	Wed Dec 27 07:59:55 Nim: I don't think anyone cares who you say calls everyone a nazi or not. "Robin Williams, but if he was fascist" Um, yes, he looks like Robin Williams, dresses up a bit like Mork from Mork and Mindy, and his ranty speeches where he is sweaty and has his crazy eyes on looks very much like Robin Williams when he was doing coke fueled standups. The distinction between populist authoritarian pursuing a disaster capitalist agenda under the guise of anarcho-libertarianism would be strictly speaking more accurate but ruin the joke. I don't regard him as a political opponent. If he crashes Argentina into the ground, it has very little impact on the UK or the western alliance. What's more interesting is that you see him as a political ally, and assume I'm aligned with the Peronists. Like, why? It's a populist left wing movement. I've always been clear that's not my political philosophy. What major policy platforms do the Peronists and I share? You sit there falsely claiming I label my opponents fascist, and here you are blindly assuming I regard Miles as a political opponent and presumably the Judiciary party an ally. Why? Because you label all the people you conceive if as opponents as "the leftist woke greens" or something and assume they are in cahoots. It's a very 1 dimensional approach to life and why you are so often wrong about so many things.
Seb Member	Wed Dec 27 08:05:10 Basically, Argentina is a cautionary tale about why you if people behave like CC and you when deciding your government, you go from being over if the more developed countries in the world to a basket case. It's not the policies - it's the attitude to politics. Argentina suffers from having too many people on the left and the right who approach things with the attitude you do. So it lurches from one shit govt to another. The various petonists were pretty bad, this guy though, is going to be awful if he carries out his agenda.
Seb Member	Wed Dec 27 08:09:49 CC: Actu-al Lit-eral trai-tor turtles!
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Wed Dec 27 08:14:12 Seb "and here you are blindly assuming I regard Miles as a political opponent" Yea, we are not going to get bogged down over you not understanding the phrase "political opponent". "Seb Member Sun Dec 24 03:44:28 Sometimes your gotta let the lunatics take over until enough of the electorate realise they need to vote rationally. Every so often the tree is rationality needs to be liberally watered with the tears of ideologues (and the squandered wealth of the nation)."
Seb Member	Wed Dec 27 09:18:47 Nim: I perfectly understand the term political opponent. My contention is (as inconceivable as you may find it) that I do not consider him one. And it is the relationship and attitude towards him that is the subject here. I do not feel towards him the way you seem to expect that I do. I do not "cope" with his victory because I don't really care one way or the other. I do think he's a lunatic, but er, look at his behaviour!
Cherub Cow Member	Thu Dec 28 06:42:04 The most hilarious thing about Seb's slimy position here is that he's working from the assumption that the it's "good actually!" that Western governments are being captured by totalitarian psychopaths. Having someone who looks like Mork is apparently worse that having actual literal traitors in positions of power within Western governments. As usual, a pathetic proceduralist such as Seb thinks that correctly following the totalitarian Regime's prestige network into an early grave is better than an unpolished alternative — whatever that alternative may be. This goes to Seb's core error: his belief in math as reality. A bureaucrat can be convinced that his Kafka-like death is acceptable if the proper forms are filed. That is, Seb is again demonstrating the Regime's affinity for credentialism. The Regime offers credentialism in part in the form of its prestige network, where people must act in certain ways to show that they want credibility/credentials within that prestige network. The common Regime tactic against its prestige network is coding the opposition as "low class" — such as by calling the opposition "Mork" or saying they look like they're on "coke". But would Seb ever apply these standards to degenerates within the Regime? We know the answer. Seb couldn't give a fuck about Biden taking uppers for his dementia or about actual cocaine being found in the White House. He cares only that whoever is doing cocaine is a Regime lackey — someone obedient to the Regime's totalitarian aims. Seb knows what a totalitarian sycophant looks like, since he sees one daily in the mirror, and so he knows enough about Milei: that this man is coded as "low class" by the Regime and is therefore his enemy. People such as Seb must be taken for what they are: traitors. They are incapable of doing anything which violates the direction of this rising totalitarian state, and therefore they earn their free helicopter rides.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Thu Dec 28 08:48:15 Seb "I do not feel towards him the way you seem" I had no idea that the observation "so and so is a political opponent" was contingent on how anyone felt towards the person or about the situation. It's just an observation that his political opinions does not align with your. And you wouldn't be you, if didn't decide on the most bizarre hills to die on.
Seb Member	Thu Dec 28 11:28:46 CC: Except I don't think they are totalitarian psychopaths. Rather I think you are delusional in thinking them as such.
Seb Member	Thu Dec 28 11:42:54 Nimatzo: Well, you introduced the term "cope" into this conversation, and then explained it: "Coping with the political victory of anyone to the right of Mao. So, your ”binary” remark is hilarious, you know coming from someone who labels his political opponents fascist or “literal Nazis”." Which rather suggests you believe I'm invested in some way in his defeat, and this "labelling of political opponents as fascists..." connected to the previous by "so" & referencing the Robin Williams joke that made you lose your shit a few weeks ago implies you think that I see Milei as an opponent.
Cherub Cow Member	Thu Dec 28 16:00:11 [Seb/Ephialtes (actual literal traitor to the West)]: “Except I don't think they are totalitarian psychopaths. Rather I think you are delusional in thinking them as such.” Classic Regime-sycophant tactic: Celebration Parallax (“That’s not happening and it’s good that it is!”) Seb will just deny that the totalitarian psychopaths that he supports even exist! After scores of evidence — from COVID policies to war profiteering, from the total government–corporate merger under “sustainability” to the collectivist propaganda of pop culture, from economic policies designed to collapse nations to social policies designed to make better slaves — Seb will just stupidly hide behind the Celebration Parallax. This is, as usual, Seb’s only nature: a Trojan Horse. “The horse isn’t full of enemy soldiers who are opening the gates, bigot! You’re just a delusional conspiracy theorist white supremacist Nazi fascist MAGA Republican from Outer Space Part 2 Electric Boogaloo!” I’m not buying it, Seb. Your deceptions do not work anymore. You’re clearly just prepared to benefit from the collapse of Western nations. You’re a modern-day Benedict Arnold. Ephialtes is your greatest hero.
Seb Member	Thu Dec 28 17:02:54 Actu-al Lit-eral trai-tor turtles! Actu-al Lit-eral trai-tor turtles!
Cherub Cow Member	Fri Dec 29 04:06:31 #TheLeftCantMeme
Seb Member	Fri Dec 29 04:44:04 http://glench.com/tmnt/#Actual_literal_traitor_Turtles
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Fri Dec 29 05:36:25 Seb "Well, you introduced the term "cope" into this conversation" Yes, because this: "Seb Member Sun Dec 24 03:44:28 Sometimes your gotta let the lunatics take over until enough of the electorate realise they need to vote rationally. Every so often the tree is rationality needs to be liberally watered with the tears of ideologues (and the squandered wealth of the nation)." is a copey comment. Very sad about those Argentinian grapes, but I think it was for the best, they looked sour anyway. You know, there is literally nothing you can do about it, you clearly don't like it (regardless of how much or little you have invested in it), so it's a good thing it has happened (!) because, something something about the cyclical nature of history will teach people a lesson, bla bla bla. It's the celebration parallax that CC talks about, had a baby with the sour grapes fable. Something is happening, I can't do anything about it, so it's good that it's happening because [insert after the fact rationalization AKA Cope]
Seb Member	Fri Dec 29 06:34:52 Nim: Um, no. That strongly implies a victory by the Peronists is nice tasty grapes. This is more like, oh, reading a Darwin award nomination.
Seb Member	Fri Dec 29 06:35:47 It only looks copey to someone who can't conceive of an event not being instantly polarised into pro and anti factions. Which is, you know, what I said.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Fri Dec 29 07:01:34 "instantly polarised into pro and anti factions." You say this, while rebuking my cope comment with "tasty grapes". Totally not two distinct pro or anti categories, when seb talks about fascists. Totally. Seb thinks it is a good thing that (people he considers fascists) win elections. 4D chess. You don't even understand the sour grapes fable. For Milei winning to be "tasty grapes", you need to have actively wanted him to win. You need to get what you want, to celebrate "mmm tasty grapes, just as I had imagined them". As the fable goes, the fox TRIED to get the grapes but couldn't, he coped that the grapes were probably sour. ^This aside from the fact that I *didn't* cite the sour grapes fable on its' own, but married it with another concept "celebration parallax". I even spelled out the new concept for you. Anyway, you chose this hill to die on, you have achieved your goal, whether you realize it or not, kicking your corpse will not add more value.
Seb Member	Fri Dec 29 07:16:28 Nimatzo: "Very sad about those Argentinian grapes, but I think it was for the best, they looked sour anyway" Have you actually read the fable you are alluding to? Or have you just lost track of the fact that you attempted to refute my claims that you are projecting binary thinking with an allegorical story about a thing that the character wants but cannot have, and so disparages. What are the "grapes" that you referred to here? You choose the allegory not me!
Cherub Cow Member	Wed Jan 17 05:19:55 "What is the purpose of the trip to Davos?" [Milei]: "To plant the ideas of freedom in a forum that is contaminated by the 2030 socialist agenda." http://twitter.com/MarioNawfal/status/1747244371517264193 Milei is scheduled to speak in Davos in a few hours: http://www.weforum.org/events/world-economic-forum-annual-meeting-2024/sessions/special-address-by-javier-milei-president-of-argentina
Cherub Cow Member	Wed Jan 17 07:20:01 Based God Milei flew to Davos in coach. http://twitter.com/riosmauricio/status/1747226152521912389 http://www.reuters.com/world/americas/argentinas-milei-heads-davos-taking-seflies-criticizing-socialist-agenda-2024-01-16/ Whereas, why would the climate cultists be flying in private jets? Seems strange. Of course, it's not **John Kerry's** private jet — it's his wife's! Does that red herring work?
Cherub Cow Member	Thu Jan 18 03:12:29 Javier Milei addresses the totalitarian scourge in Davos: [World Economic Forum; January 17th, 2024] http://www...-milei-president-of-argentina/ On YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pfcd0gWNIog alt: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLXmYWvty6E Transcript: "Good afternoon. Thank you very much. "I am here today to tell you that the Western world is in danger. And it is in danger because those who are supposed to have defend the values of the West are co-opted by a vision of the world that inexorably leads to socialism and thereby to poverty. "Unfortunately, in recent decades, motivated by some well-meaning individuals willing to help others and others motivated by the wish to belong to a privileged caste, the main leaders of the Western world have abandoned the model of freedom for different versions of what we call collectivism. We are here to tell you that collectivist experiments are never the solution to the problems that afflict the citizens of the world, rather, they are the root cause. Do believe me, there is no one better placed than we Argentines to testify to these two points. When we adopted the model of freedom back in 1860, in 35 years we became a leading world power. And when we embraced collectivism over the course of the last 100 years we saw how our citizens became systematically impoverished and we dropped to spot 140 globally. "But before having the discussion it would first be important to take a look at the data that demonstrate why free-enterprise capitalism is not just the only possible system to end world poverty but also that it's the only morally desirable system to achieve this. If we look at the history of economic progress we can see how between 0 – 1800, approximately, world per-capita GDP practically remained constant throughout the whole reference period. If you look at a graph of economic growth throughout the history of humanity, you would see a hockey-stick graph — an exponential function that remained constant for 90% of the time and which was exponentially triggered starting in the 19th century. The only exception to this history of stagnation was in the late 15th century with the discovery of the American continent. But for this exception, throughout the whole period from 0 – 1800, global per-capita GDP stagnated. "Now, it's not just that capitalism brought about an explosion in wealth from the moment it was adopted as an economic system. But, also, if you look at the data, what you will see is that growth continues to accelerate throughout the whole period. And throughout the whole period (0 – 1800), the per-capita GDP growth rate remains stable at around 0.02% annually — so almost no growth. Starting in the 19th century with the industrial revolution, the compound annual growth rate was 0.66%, and at that rate in order to double per-capita GDP you would need some 107 years. "Now, if you look at the period between 1900 – 1950, the growth rate accelerated to 1.66% per year. So you no longer need 107 years to double per-capita GDP but 66 years. And if you take the period from 1950 – 2000, you will see that the growth rate was 2.1% — again, the CHER — which would mean then that within only 33 years we could double the world's per-capita GDP. This trend, far from stopping, remains well alive today. If we take the period from 2000 — 2023, the growth rate accelerated again to 3.00% per year, which means we could double the world's per-capita GDP in just 23 years. "That said, when you look at per capita GDP from the year 1800 – today, you will see that after the industrial revolution, global per-capita GDP multiplied by over 15 times, which meant a boom in growth that lifted 90% of the global population out of poverty. We should remember that by the year 1800, above 95% of the world lived in extreme poverty, and that figure dropped to 5% by the year 2020 prior to the pandemic. "The conclusion is obvious: far from being the cause of our problems, free-trade capitalism as an economic system is the only instrument we have to end hunger and extreme poverty across our planet. The empirical evidence is unquestionable. Therefore, since there is no doubt that free-enterprise capitalism is superior in productive terms, the left-wing doxer/detractor has attacked capitalism, alleging matters of morality, saying that it's "unjust". The say that capitalism is evil because it's individualistic and that collectivism is good because it's altruistic — of course, with the money of others — so they therefore advocate for social justice. "But this concept, which in the developed world became fashionable in recent times, in my country has been a constant and political discourse for over 80 years. The problem is that social justice is not just, and it does not contribute either to the general well-being. Quite on the contrary, it is an intrinsically unfair idea because it's violent. It's unjust because the state fines us through tax, and taxes are collected coercively — or can anyone of us say that they voluntarily pay taxes? — which means that the state is financed through coercion and that the higher the tax burden the higher the coercion and the lower the freedom. "Those who promote social justice, the advocates, start with the idea that the whole economy is a pie that can be shared differently, but that pie is not a given. It's wealth that is generated in what Israel Kirzner, for instance, calls a "market discovery process". If the goods or services offered by a business are not wanted, the business will fail unless it adapts to what the market is demanding. If they make a good quality product at an attractive price, they will do well and produce more. So the market is a discovery process in which the capitalist will find the right path as they move forward, but if the state punishes capitalists when they're successful and gets in the way of the discovery process they will destroy their incentives, and the consequence is that they will produce less, the pie will become smaller, and this will harm society as a whole. Collectivism, by inhibiting these discovery processes and hindering the appropriation of discoveries ends up binding the hands of entrepreneurs and prevents them from offering better goods and services at a better price. 13:28 "So why, then, do academia, international organizations, economic theory, and politics demonize an economic system that has not only lifted out of extreme poverty 90% of the world's population and has continued to do this faster and faster and is more superior and just? Thanks to free-trade capitalism, it is clear that the world is living its best moment. Never in all of mankind's history has there been more prosperity than today. This is true for all. The world of today has more freedom, is richer, is more prosperous. And this is particularly true for countries that have more freedom, and have more economic freedom, and respect the property rights of individuals, because countries that have more freedom are 12 times richer than those that are repressed, and the lowest decile, in terms of distribution in free countries, are better off than 90% of the population in repressed countries. And poverty is 25 times lower, and extreme poverty is 50 times lower, and citizens in free countries live 25% longer than citizens in repressed countries. 14:45 "Now, what is that we mean when we talk about libertarianism? Let me quote the words of the greatest authority on freedom in Argentina, Professor Alberto Benegas Lynch, Jr.. He says that libertarianism is the unrestricted respect for the life-project of others based on the principle of non-aggression, in defense of the right to life, liberty, and property. Its fundamental institutions being private property, markets free from state intervention, free competition, the division of labor, and social cooperation. As part of which, success is achieved only by serving others with goods of better quality or at a better price. In other words, capitalists and successful business people are social benefactors, who, far from appropriating the wealth of others, contribute to the general well-being. Ultimately, a successful entrepreneur is a hero. And this is the model that we are advocating for the Argentina of the future. A model based on the fundamental principles of libertarianism: the defense of life, of freedom, and of property. 15:55 "Now, if free-enterprise capitalism and economic freedom have proven to be extraordinary instruments to end poverty in the world and we are now at the best time in the history of humanity, it is worth asking why I say that the West is in danger. And I say this precisely because in those of our countries that should defend the values of the free market, private property, and the other institutions of libertarianism, sectors of the political and economic establishment — some due to mistakes in their theoretical frameworks and others due to a greed for power — are undermining the foundations of libertarianism, opening up the doors to socialism and potentially condemning us to poverty, misery, and stagnation. It should never be forgotten that socialism is always and everywhere an impoverishing phenomenon that has failed in all countries where it's been tried out. It's been a failure economically, socially, culturally, and it also murdered over 100 million human beings. 17:00 "The essential problem in the West today is not just that we need to come to grips with those, who, even after the fall of the Berlin wall and the overwhelming political empirical evidence, continued to advocate for impoverishing socialism. But there's also elite thinkers and academics, who are relying on a misguided theoretical framework, undermine the fundamentals of the system that has given us the greatest expansion of wealth and prosperity in our history. The theoretical framework to which I refer is that of Neo-Classical economic theory which designs a set of instruments which unwittingly ends up serving state intervention, socialism, and social degradation. The problem with Neo-Classicals is that the model that they fell in love with does not map reality, so they put down their mistakes to supposed 'market failures', rather than reviewing the premises of the model. On the pretext of a supposed 'market failure', regulations are introduced which only create distortions in the price system, prevent economic calculus, and therefore also prevent saving, investment, and growth. This problem lies mainly in the fact that not even supposedly 'libertarian' economists understand what the market is because if they did understand it would quickly be seen that it's impossible for there to be something along the lines of 'market failures'. "The market is not a mere graph describing a curve of supply and demand. The market is a mechanism for social cooperation where you voluntarily exchange ownership rights. Therefore, based on this definition, talking about a 'market failure' is an oxymoron. There are no 'market failures'. If transactions are voluntary, the only context in which there can be a 'market failure' is if there is coercion, and the only one that is able to coerce generally is the state, which holds a monopoly on violence. Consequently, if someone considers that there is a 'market failure', I would suggest that they check to see if there was a state intervention involved, and if they find that that's not the case, I would suggest that they check again because obviously there's a mistake — 'market failures' do not exist. 19:27 An example of these so-called 'market failures', described by the Neo-Classicals, are the concentrated structures of the economy. However, without increasing returns to scale functions whose counterpart are the concentrated structures of the economy, we couldn't possibly explain economic growth since the year 1800 to today. Isn't this interesting. Since the year 1800 onwards, with population multiplying by 8 or 9 times, per-capita GDP grew by over 50 times so that our growing returns — which took extreme poverty from 95% to 5% — however, the presence of growing returns requires concentrated structures, what we would call a monopoly. How come, then, that something that has generated so much well-being for the Neo-Classical theory is a 'market failure'? Neo-Classical economists think outside of the box. When a model fails, you shouldn't get angry with reality but with the model — and change it. "The dilemma faced by the Neo-Classical model is that they say they wish to perfect the functioning of the market by attacking what they say will be 'failures', but in so doing they don't just open up the doors to socialism but also go against economic growth. An example: regulating monopolies, destroying their profits and destroying growing returns, automatically would destroy economic growth. In other words, whenever you want to correct a supposed 'market failure', inexorably — as a result of not knowing what the market is or as a result of having fallen in love with a failed model — you are opening up the doors to socialism and condemning people to poverty. However, faced with the theoretical demonstration that state intervention is harmful and empirical evidence that it has failed (couldn't have been otherwise), the solution proposed by collectivists is not greater freedom but rather great regulation which creates a downward spiral of regulations until we're all poorer and the life of all of us depends on a bureaucrat sitting in a luxury office. "Given the dismal failure of collectivist models and the undeniable advances in the free world, socialists were forced to change their agenda. They left behind the class struggle based on the economic system and replaced this with other supposed social conflicts which are just as harmful to life, to the community, and to economic growth. The first of these new battles was the ridiculous and unnatural fight between man and woman. Libertarianism already provides for equality of the sexes. The cornerstone of our creed says that all humans are created equal that we all have the same unalienable rights granted by the Creator, including life, freedom, and ownership. All that this radical feminism agenda has led to is greater state intervention to hinder the economic process, giving a job to bureaucrats who have not contributed anything to society. Examples: ministries of women, or international organizations devoted to promoting this agenda. 23:05 "Another conflict presented by socialists is that of humans against nature, claiming that we humans are damaging the planet which should be protected at all costs — even going as far as advocating for population control mechanisms or the bloody abortion agenda. Unfortunately, these ideas have taken a strong hold in our society. Neo-Marxists have managed to co-opt the common sense of the Western world. And this they have achieved by appropriating media, culture, universities, and, also, international organizations. The latter is the most serious one, probably, because these are institutions that have enormous influence on political and economic decisions of the countries that make up the multi-lateral organizations. Fortunately, there are more and more of us who are daring to make our voices heard because we see that if we don't truly and decisively fight against these ideas, the only possible fate is for us to have increasing levels of state regulation, socialism, poverty, and less freedom, and therefore will have worse standards of living. 24:20 "The West has unfortunately already started to go along with this path. I know to many it may sound ridiculous to suggest that the West has turned to socialism, but it's only ridiculous if you only limit yourself to the traditional economic definition which is that it's an economic system in which the state owns the means of production. This definition, in my view, should be updated in light of current circumstances. Today's states don't need to directly control the means of production in order to control every aspect of the lives of individuals. With tools such as printing money, debt, subsidies, controlling the interest rate, price controls, and regulations to correct the so-called 'market failures', they can control the lives and fates of millions of individuals. This is how we come to the point where by using different names or guises, a good deal of the generally accepted political offers in most Western countries are collectivist variants. Whether they proclaim to be openly communists, fascists, Nazis, socialists, social-democrats, national-socialists, democrat Christians, Christian democrats, Neo-Keynesians, progressives, populists, nationalists, or globalists. Bottom line: there are no major differences. All say that the state should steer all aspects of the lives of individuals. They all defend a model contrary to that one which led humanity to the most spectacular progress in its history. 26:00 "We have come here today to invite the rest of the countries in the Western world to get back on the path of prosperity, economic freedom limited government, and unlimited respect for private property — essential elements for economic growth. And the impoverishment produced by collectivism is no fantasy nor is it an inescapable fate. But it's a reality that we Argentines know very well. We have lived through this, we have been through this, because as I said earlier, ever since we decided to abandon the model of freedom that had made us rich we have been caught up in a downward spiral, as part of which we are poorer and poorer day by day. So this is something we have lived through, and we are here to warn you about what can happen if the countries in the Western world that became rich through the model of freedom stay on this path of servitude. The case of Argentina is an empirical demonstration that no matter how rich you may be or how much you may have in terms of natural resources or how skilled your population may be or how educated or how many bars of gold you may have in the central bank, if measures are adopted that hinder the free-functioning of markets, free competition, free price systems, if you hinder trade, if you attack private property, the only possible fate is poverty. 27:40 "Therefore, in concluding, I would like to leave a message for all business people here, and for those who are not here in person but are following from around the world: "Do not be intimidated, either by the political caste/class or by parasites who live off the state. Do not submit to a political class that only wants to stay in power and retain its privileges. You are social benefactors. You are heroes. You are the creators of the most extraordinary period of prosperity that we have ever seen. Let no one tell you that your ambition is immoral. If you make money, it's because you offer a better product at a better price, thereby contributing to general well-being. Do not surrender to the advance of the state. The state is not the solution. The state is the problem itself. You are the true protagonists of this story. And rest-assured that as from today, Argentina is your staunch and unconditional ally. "Thank you very much, and long live freedom, dammit!" Highlights: • Captured nations have "abandoned their model of freedom" in favor of "variants of collectivism" • "The West is in danger because those who are supposed to defend the values of the West have been co-opted by a vision of the world that inexorably leads to socialism and, consequently, to poverty." • "It should never be forgotten that socialism is, always and everywhere, an impoverishing phenomenon that has failed in all countries where it's been tried out ... It's been a failure economically, socially, culturally, and it also murdered over a hundred million human beings." • Do not be intimidated by a "political caste" of "parasites that live off the state." • "Do not surrender to a political class that only wants to stay in power and will take its privileges. You are social benefactors, *you* are heroes. Let no one tell you that your ambition is immoral. If you make money, it is because you offer a better product at a better price. Do not surrender to the advance of the state." • "You are the true protagonists in this story. You should know that from now on, you can count on Argentina as an unconditional ally." • "The state is not the solution. The state is the problem" • "Viva la libertad, carajo! ("Long live freedom, damn it!")"
Cherub Cow Member	Thu Jan 18 03:32:49 Pretty great speech. He basically tells the WEF crowd that their global plan is going to impoverish millions and kill even more. They are trapped in a regulation death-spiral where their failures can only be fixed by additional failures which will cause more failures. Over-regulating the market to hide their own failures necessarily requires the formation of a totalitarian world state, since their inability to model economies based on reality will invariably require that they acquire more and more control of the market to recover their losses. He also rightly points out the parasites of the bureaucrat class — the sebgul destroyers. These totalitarian markets have to propagandize people to sell their lies, which results in the formation of NGOs and government bureaucracies whose sole purpose is convincing people of their lies in a pure act of parasitism. More and more of these parasitic bureaucracies are created to regulate the market errors of these destroyers. He also points out the issue of the collectivists repeatedly, which is good. The leftist parasite class is largely a collectivist enterprise. Collectivist reactionaries are forced into being by totalitarian meddling as red herrings that pull attention away from the errors of the oligarchs. Think 2008: the banker scams were being criticized in the mainstream, so the scam funded collectivist groups such as the "social justice" movement to run interference for Wall Street. A totalitarian expansion must necessarily collectivize the masses into useful client groups which can be controlled by further bureaucratic parasitism. This same strategy is being used in the West through mass-migration, wherein NGOs are funding the travel of migrants to Western nations so provide client groups for the emerging totalitarian state. The new client groups are meant to accept the former errors of the totalitarian state while displacing the sovereignty of its own citizens. The only question is: is Milei speaking this to people who need to understand the failures of their policies on an ideological level, or does the WEF crowd accept the truth of his statements but also accept their own conclusions? Specifically, Milei warns of poverty and mass death, but it seems that the WEF crowd has already decided that this is a specific goal of theirs. So, given that Milei is speaking to a crowd of Malthusian totalitarian psychopaths, his last statement which identifies the free people of the West was far more important. It basically sends the message that these WEF oligarchs are not safe from the West's peoples. This is the right move. The oligarchs must fear for their own personal future. Even in a fiefdom, oligarchs who fail to support the interest of their peasants find their peasants climbing their castle walls. There is nowhere in the world that these treasonous oligarchs can run. Not New Zealand, not China. Nowhere. Milei will speak to these oligarchs and let them know the virtue of liberty, but if these oligarchs prefer their riches over the success of free peoples, then the argument goes over their heads to the Marie Antoinette mob that they believe they control.
Cherub Cow Member	Thu Jan 18 03:59:14 58 thousand people upvoted this full speech video on Twitter: http://twitter.com/EndWokeness/status/1747662634462159309
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Thu Jan 18 12:24:49 Good stuff. If anyone wants to listen to it, this is dubbed/translated by AI: http://twitter.com/aphysicist/status/1747868626948907325
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Thu Jan 18 12:39:33 Dam I just noticed the link I posted is a full AI remake, it's not just his own voice, but his mouth is moving in English as well :D
Forwyn Member	Thu Jan 18 21:00:56 "By passing the legislature by use of executive decree to completely restructure the state sounds pretty much like I expected." Seb frames dismantling the executive bureaucracy as a "restructuring" matter for the legislative, and circumventing this is fascism. Fucking retard lol
Cherub Cow Member	Fri Jan 19 01:23:22 [Nim]: "Good stuff." Totes. Some of the NRx people (e.g., Asha Logos here: http://twitter.com/AshaLogos/status/1748097127535038914 ) are still very anti-Milei because of his sometimes Jewish appeasement (and I have made the same complaint of him and Vivek), but Milei just told a crowd of WEF oligarchs that people will come for them if they keep pushing globalism. Even the worst cynics should be able to recognize the utility of such a message. [Forwyn]: "Fucking retard lol" lulz. And it's not even worth addressing to Seb since those exact symptoms could describe Biden's January 2021 Executive Orders, but Seb didn't say shit about that because the Regime didn't tell him that Biden was a "fascist".
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Fri Jan 19 03:58:34 http://bab...-argentinian-guy-for-president "America Decides To Cancel Election And Just Draft That Argentinian Guy For President" hihi :)
jergul large member	Fri Jan 19 04:13:16 What is Argentina's current inflation I wonder.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Fri Jan 19 04:52:12 It's lower than forecast in December and the forecast is based on the massive policy reforms enacted. Achievement unlocked.
jergul large member	Fri Jan 19 05:01:07 Worse than Venezuela = success. BUENOS AIRES — Argentina’s annual inflation rate sped past 211% in December, official data showed on Thursday, hitting the highest level since the early 1990s as new libertarian President Javier Milei seeks to head off hyperinflation with tough austerity measures. Argentina’s monthly inflation rate also hit 25.5% in the month, slightly below forecasts, after a sharp devaluation of the peso currency last month after Milei’s government took office on Dec. 10, pledging to get inflation under control. The inflation reading took Argentina past regional peer Venezuela, long Latin American’s inflation outlier, where inflation cooled to an estimated 193% in 2023, following years of painful, out-of-control price rises
Cherub Cow Member	Fri Jan 19 05:04:59 Yes, sebgul, the commies fucked up Argentina, so Milei, who has been in office for less than two months, has a lot of work to do. If you'd like, you can help by asking for a free helicopter ride.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Fri Jan 19 05:17:55 Jergul "Worse than Venezuela = success." Yepp, that is the shit basket Milei was handed. Socialism is evil.
jergul large member	Fri Jan 19 06:20:15 Appologists for failure. What a surprise.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Fri Jan 19 06:26:17 What part of "socialism is evil" don't you understand? That is the opposite of apologia.
jergul large member	Fri Jan 19 06:31:51 Which president is currently failing in Argentina? Perhaps that is the failure I was referring to.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Fri Jan 19 06:54:23 What part of 25% being lower than the forecast 30% as a result of Milei's policies, don't you understand? Failure in this case would be that absent the changes he made, inflation in December would have been lower than 25%. Do you have inflation forecast from December prior to the policies? If you do, then we have something to talk about.
jergul large member	Fri Jan 19 07:03:34 What part of 211% inflation don't you understand? Is there any doubt that the next 4 years are going to be a disaster for Argentina?
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Fri Jan 19 07:25:03 The part about how Milei is responsible for the Argentinian inflation prior to taking power.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Fri Jan 19 07:26:05 "Is there any doubt that the next 4 years are going to be a disaster for Argentina?" Translated as: No, I don't have any facts, but I still... waaaaaaa Cool story, Cold Rod.
jergul large member	Fri Jan 19 08:26:04 Nimi He is ultimately a symptom of how truly fucked Argentina is. "We are fucked anyway. We may as well elect a moron". I am only surpised you think he will do anything other than lead the ongoing failure. But kewl, bro. I never knew failure worship was a thing.
murder Member	Fri Jan 19 08:27:23 Did you nap through the Trump years?
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Fri Jan 19 08:51:08 "He is ultimately a symptom of how truly fucked Argentina is." Yes, socialism is evil. "I am only surpised you think he will do anything other than lead the ongoing failure." Do, that is in the future, the topic you brought you was what he has *done* so far. For what he will do, I will get back to you. I like what he is saying, we will see how well his actions and their outputs aligns with his words and everything else that factors in. And btw, this is totally an ok thing to do, it doesn't make you gay or anything if you are worried about that.
jergul large member	Fri Jan 19 08:59:07 Yes, Libertarianism is evil. The topic I brought was "what is inflation in Argentina". What a truly fucked country. Shall we talk about how the Taliban will turn things around in Afghanistan next?
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Fri Jan 19 09:07:07 Cool story, Cold Rod.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Fri Jan 19 09:09:24 Defending, sorry nuancing the Taliban that would be squarely in your wheel house. They are patriarchal, Islamist, axis of resistance adjacent and "America bad" compatible.
jergul large member	Fri Jan 19 09:13:44 kewl story, bro
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