Utopia Talk / Politics / The Creator

Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sat Nov 25 02:49:14 Saw this movie the other day. Great visuals and art design, the story was OK/meh, Washington was great, but yet again another movie is made where all white people, save one, are depicted as completely lacking empathy and evil.
Paramount Member	Sat Nov 25 05:18:54 The Creator, written by Chris Weitz. On November 11, 2016, after Donald Trump won the presidential election, Weitz tweeted, "Please note that the Empire is a white supremacist (human) organization."[58] Although he had apologized and deleted the tweet,[59] several Trump supporters have used the hashtag #DumpStarWars and claimed that Rogue One contained an anti-Trump scene. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Weitz A tip to Nimatzo is to always research who has made the movie before deciding whether you want to watch it or not. You don’t want to support the extreme Left and the Antifa, do you?
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sat Nov 25 05:22:29 I don't belong to your brand of ideological stupidity. I watch movies, read books etc and so on, independent of who made them and assess them based on the contents and merits.
Dukhat Member	Sun Nov 26 13:00:53 Agree with Nim for once. The bad guys being all-white is a common trope (Star Wars the bad guys had to be white and have british accents) and not the end of the world because Hollywood was so heavily involved in promoting racism in previous decades. But having all the good guys be only people-of-color is really heavy-handed and stupid.
Dukhat Member	Sun Nov 26 13:03:02 The Creator has a great cinematopgraher Greg Fraser. I actually recently bought all the movies I could with him as the cinematopgraher in 4k blu-ray. I'll probably buy the Creator for that reason eventually.
Hrothgar Member	Sun Nov 26 16:35:40 I was VERY disappointed by this movie. Total piece of shit beyond having moments of cool/well done visuals.
Seb Member	Sun Nov 26 18:25:26 Dukhat: Brits playing the bad guys is a long established trope and nothing to do with race stuff. It's because there was: 1. a pipeline of highly trained English stage actors who were 2. much cheap than American ones to hire for supporting roles 3. happy to get a (for them) highly paid film role and didn't worry about being type cast as the bad guy (a.k.a permanent supporting cast) 4. perceived by the largely American audience to have a posh and effete aristocratic accent contrasting to blue collar working class meritocratic American hero. It plays into the whole American revolution founding myth too. Star wars in particular relied heavily on picking up cheap bits of British production. The stormtroopers blasters were actually deactivated British WW2 sten guns (a kind of dirt cheap sub machine guns) with some bits on. A lot of the physical effects and props were done by a guy who lived near where I grew up (he used to make storm trooper helmets and armour from original moulds: lucas's outfits eventually had to settle with him because they never actually properly secured the rights for some of the stuff he made. Star wars wound up building on that thereafter - the Empire are "evil snooty English people".
Cherub Cow Member	Sun Nov 26 22:06:10 I reviewed The Creator here: http://uto...hread=84830&time=1697381672309 It was pure propaganda, and Seb is full of shit, as usual. "Muh British-accent villain" is a pathetic red herring from Seb, the obvious Western traitor and subversive. They specifically called Americans and the West the villains. It wasn't just "Bri'ish actors sound a bit evil here, innit?" The main Western villain was played by Allison Janney, who had an American accent. The entire thing was written as a metaphor for the West's need to send its wealth to BRICS+ so that Chinese interests can monopolize the A.I. singularity.
Seb Member	Mon Nov 27 04:17:30 CC can't fucking read as usual. "The bad guys being all-white is a common trope (Star Wars the bad guys had to be white and have british accents)" Star wars was filmed in the 70s and absolutely did not cast "bad guys" to be white for any kind of postcolonial guilt bull shit. Hollywood bad guys being Brits was a "trope" for decades. I've not seen the creator, and made no claims about creator.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Mon Nov 27 04:58:11 What Dukhat doesn't mention is that, everyone was white in Star Wars, besides Lando and the voice of the Darth Vader, the ultimate bad guy. The message in The Creator is terrible, white Americans evil, black Americans duped by the white people, but ultimately redeemable, the colored folks of the Asia and robots the victims of white psychopathic fear and anger. Verbatim in the movie there is a line by an Asian woman that "the robots have more heart than you".
Cherub Cow Member	Mon Nov 27 06:22:07 [Seb, (traitor to the West)]: "CC can't fucking read as usual." Nice projection, treasonous scum. I like that you say this: • "Star wars was filmed in the 70s and absolutely did not cast "bad guys" to be white for any kind of postcolonial guilt bull shit." And then quickly amend with this: • "I've not seen the creator, and made no claims about creator." You're such a subversive traitor that you cannot even see (or pretend not to see because it serves your treason) that Star Wars having mostly White people and *incidentally* having White villains is far different than having POC heroes *against* White villains. You're trying to have it both ways: saying that '[Star Wars did it so don't worry about it]' *while* ignoring that this is *not* the case in The Creator. *You* were the one who failed to read, since even fucking *Dukhat* pointed this out (Dukhat: "But having all the good guys be only people-of-color is really heavy-handed and stupid") yet you just made nonsense-diarrhea which ignored him anyways. You're so illiterate that you can't even read the arguments by other leftists. And btw, even Star Wars IV–VI was not even necessarily just "whites v. whites". The political subtext of IV–VI was the Boomer 'truth' of the post-WWII narrative, where the dapper Westerner of the Empire was the "Nazi" enemy and the rebel alliance was the coalition of Westerners assembled to defeat it. It wasn't until Episode I–III that Lucas realized that that Boomer 'truth' was a deception, which he attempted to dispel with the additional talk of trade federations and sinister plots to subvert the Republic through the Bolshevik lie of "our democracy" (Palpatine: "I love democracy"). This is why a Seb NPC would identify with the rebels in IV–VI but with the empire in I–III, whereas a non-NPC would be conflicted in IV–VI (as Luke) but understand Anakin's mistake in I–III (i.e., Anakin was deceived into destroying the West on behalf of Sebbish subversives). Lucas mixes the metaphors for the sake of continuity, but he clearly learned the truth after Episode VI. [Nim]: "What Dukhat doesn't mention is that, everyone was white in Star Wars" *Exactly*. The Creator was divided *explicitly* along racial lines, whereas Star Wars was ideological within a race. Creator was BRICS+ client groups *against* the White West, which meant that Western subversives could be brought into the coalition if they betrayed the West (as did the main character and the white Westerner who married a Vietnamese A.I., ensuring that his treason would be rewarded ideologically but doom his genetics).
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Mon Nov 27 06:54:10 Yea the more you think about it, the more subversive the movie is. If not for white people, colored folks and AI would be living in perfect harmony. This movie is just the latest and most egregious example, I went over this with regards to Apple's The Foundation, where are evil people are white men, slightly better that The creator, the opposition to the Empire is a diverse cast, however most prominent,m colored women. Are these things signs of hubris among the woke euro lineages? Like, there is no way all this anti-white propaganda will come and bite me in the ass or get us lynched in the future? There has not been a genocide that was not preceded by extensive cultural and political propaganda. It is only unique where the people to be the target of the genocide are at the forefront of producing the propaganda. It is *seriously* getting concerning to me, because it is just getting worse, more unapologetic and in your face. In a few years they will just say with words what The Creator was telling us with the casting.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Mon Nov 27 07:02:33 And the anti-white stuff was not just some vague institutional evil, the characters were just 1-dimensional evil creature, like Joffrey in GoT. It was truly bizarre. Many years ago I watched the Turkish movie "Valley of the Wolves" set during the US occupation of Iraq, with the protagonist being a Turkish Jason Bourne /Rambo type character. The US antagonist are a joke, truly soulless evil caricatures. The white people in The Creator were slightly better than that. Slightly.
Seb Member	Mon Nov 27 08:01:43 Cc: Cretinous moron, my point to Dukhat was never anything to do with The creator, as is abundantly clear. It is that the "evil Brits" trope has nothing to do with black/white race politics. Now kindly fuck off with your interminable walls of deranged text and single issue text and leave those of sound mind to talk amongst themselves.
Seb Member	Mon Nov 27 08:03:48 Like, what are we even supposed to be disagreeing about? We all agree that the bad guys in star wars being largely cast as white brits has nothing to fucking do with race politics (and much more due to a pipeline of well trained stage actors that thought getting a supporting cast in a Hollywood production was making it big).
williamthebastard Member	Mon Nov 27 11:09:58 Oh God...listen, you shallow little moron, SD is never going to accept you as being White any more than the GOP will ever see mexicantornado as anything but a stinking wetback, no matter how much you weaklings and cowards suck their cocks. You will always be a dirty mooslem who should be killed to the group you want to belong to.
williamthebastard Member	Mon Nov 27 11:11:16 Off to watch Avatar now, that hateful piece of propaganda against poor white people
Rugian Member	Mon Nov 27 11:18:20 I actually thought Seb's post about British actors was reasonable. He wasn't talking about the modern trend of Hollywood intentionally casting white men as villains, he was ignoring the question entirely. That said, I'm certain his stance on the question would be objectionable if he was to air it.
williamthebastard Member	Mon Nov 27 11:21:20 Learn a lesson from this http://www...les/ellen-feldman-nazi-germany
Seb Member	Mon Nov 27 11:23:50 Rugian: If they cast a black man as a rich, powerful mega corp CEO, wouldn't you complain about that too though as obvious black washing.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Mon Nov 27 11:25:39 Rugian Also brits were the favorite bad guys of American movies for a long times. For historical reasons I assume. It was Brits or Germans.
Rugian Member	Mon Nov 27 11:55:46 Seb Context is everything. If a director puts out an absolute banger of a movie, there's no obvious racial or gender politics involved, and it just so happens that the powerful mega corp CEO is black, then there's absolutely no problem with that. We have tons of classic movies and TV shows where that was the case, and they're all perfectly fine on that front. But if a director/studio is engaging in blatant social justice warrior pandering, casting all of the protagonists as minorities and women and all of the antagonists as white men, and they make it a major part of their marketing campaign by highlighting how "progressive" their casting decisions are, then I am going to be repelled by that. Doubly so if the movie ends up being shit, and your defense mechanism against critics is to label them all as racist or misogynist. If you find that to be bigoted, then fair enough.
Rugian Member	Mon Nov 27 12:09:49 And yes, Hollywood does love to stereotype. It's weirdly an ingrained part of their DNA. The solution to combat historic stereotyping is to stop stereotyping, not to flash an uno reverse card and race-swap the people being stereotyped. Silly me thought that the post-Civil Rights era America could move on from the parochial politics of race-based identities and just very everyone as people. Boy was I wrong on that one.
murder Member	Tue Nov 28 08:26:09 I don't remember any backlash towards all white movies. Or movies where all the protagonists were white and minorities were cast as the villains. Not from this crowd.
Cherub Cow Member	Thu Nov 30 05:52:43 [wtb]: "SD is never going to accept you" Who's SD? And, anyways, wtb is wrong yet again. Funnily enough, the West tends to accept people who don't live by the false dialectic of oppressor/oppressed. Funnily enough, immigration largely becomes an issue when it's clear that immigrants are being brought to the West to destroy and enslave it. Fun fact: people tend not to want to accept *conquerors* into their societies, but they tend *not* to care if people do *not* want to conquer their societies. It's almost like it's the settler colonialism in particular that's an issue. Hmm. And this isn't ethnic for me. I would be happy for traitors and commies such as wtb, tw, Seb, Dukhat, and murder to be deported to Bangladesh or India or wherever along with the foreign commies and conquerors that they imported. If diversity is such a strength, I'm sure wtb wouldn't mind diversifying Ash Sarkar's true homeland. Wtb could try to topple Bangladesh by writing subversive agitprop about Bangladesh's need to adopt post-post-colonialism. [Seb (Actual literal traitor to the West)]: "Cretinous moron" Weak projection, Seb. You just made another "wall of text" claim of a mere 340 words addressed to you, so it's pretty clear who the moron is. Funny how you demented leftists always complain about having to read anything longer than Twitter's original 140-character limit. That puts you at about tw and Dukhat's IQ level (60? 70?). You make wtb (IQ of maybe 90) look like a damned genius. Oops! This is 440 characters! I already lost you! :p [Seb (Actual literal traitor to the West)]: "my point to Dukhat was never anything to do with The creator, as is abundantly clear." That's not particularly convincing coming from a slack-jawed faggot who has a history of jumping into threads that he doesn't understand or know anything about just so he can nevertheless offer his uninformed low-IQ opinions to steer the conversation to "The Sick Sideshow of Seb the Sheep-headed Simpleton". Now kindly fuck off. You literally just told us you haven't seen the movie yet you want *me* to leave this thread, so shut. the. fuck. up. until you see the movie, you fucking literal traitor. :) .. [Rugian]: "If a director puts out an absolute banger of a movie, there's no obvious racial or gender politics involved, and it just so happens that the powerful mega corp CEO is black, then there's absolutely no problem with that." Exactly. "Alien" famously did that. But the Regime cannot do that anymore. These people think only in terms of oppressor and oppressed, and they apply a racialist strategy to serve the end of enslaving their supposed "oppressors". It is anti-Whiteism, anti-Westernism, anti-Life, and pro-enslavement. They are almost incapable of making a movie that does not fulfill this ESG formula. Even throwaway movies such as "Meg 2" can't help themselves. "The Boys" show does it. "Dexter:New Blood" did it, as did the "Scream" movies from the last two years. There exist very few counter-signals: The Northman, Terminal List. The time for free helicopter rides may be upon us. .. [Nim]: "This movie is just the latest and most egregious example, ... Are these things signs of hubris among the woke euro lineages? ... it is just getting worse, more unapologetic and in your face." Yeah, and people such as Critical Drinker still (wrongly) believe that Disney and the big studios have learned their lessons and will just reverse course next year. Not gonna happen. (Critical Drinker called "The Creator" "flawed brilliance", lol.) These studios are on the Uwe Boll model of "getting paid to suck", and they don't even know it. This isn't getting solved by some Disney exec looking at writer-strike fallout and deciding, "You know, we should really try bringing in conservative writers." Not gonna happen. This isn't getting fixed until ESG is brought down. The lawsuits against it have largely frozen because ESG owns propaganda (they directly fund media such as CNN and Fox News), which means they couldn't generate popular political backlash to support the lawsuits. This requires legal wins, and they can't get wins with Biden holding the veto. The suing attorneys general seem to be waiting for November 2024. If the GOP loses, we have another four more years of "sustainability" propaganda and probably WWIII for good measure. Europe is waiting for that same signal. [Nim]: "It is *seriously* getting concerning to me," Same, but on the white-pill side, I think we're at least getting to the point that the public isn't buying it. It's that Soviet-era point where people just generally know that they're being lied to and manipulated. People such as Seb are irredeemable due to their mental ineptitude and because they stand to "win" if the West falls, but a lot of people would reverse course if they knew the truth. I keep saying it.. but I think a huge win would be successful counter-propaganda in the mainstream. The issue is getting someone to pay for mass-release of a potent movie in U.S. theaters which exposes the scheme in narrative form, then streaming contracts with the big streaming services. A $7 million budget for a Daily Wire website-only comedy isn't going to cut it.
Seb Member	Thu Nov 30 08:11:45 CC: Nothing wrong with long posts if they are information dense and saying commensurate to their length. If.
williamthebastard Member	Thu Nov 30 09:59:08 Oh my god, if Nimatzo watches The Burial, as I am right now, I fear he might grab a gun and start exacting white mans justice in these terrible times of persecution of the white man
williamthebastard Member	Thu Nov 30 10:01:38 Who would have thought that conservative tommy lee was such a race traitor...wow
williamthebastard Member	Thu Nov 30 10:18:25 Yupp, this film confirms it, there is no more persecuted class than white, conservative, billionaire, good old boys (who also tend to hate Iranians), these poor, poor victims of liberal, black racism.
Cherub Cow Member	Fri Dec 01 06:09:04 [Seb (Actual literal traitor to the West)]: *treasonous screeching* Typical subversion from the Wandering Seb. Seb can't even read a Dukhat comment, but he pretends that his illiteracy is just a matter of information density. Somehow, his illiteracy.. *improves*?.. when there's more information density? lol No one's buying it, Seb the traitor. It is information density itself that burdens your tiny little intellect. Your mind can only hold the Party's Dogma. As I have said many times, it is your very character that determines that you will remain ignorant, since you know in your sickly heart that truth itself is your enemy. Oops! This response passed 140 characters. Seb's mind shut off again. :p .. [williamthebastard (slavish nihilist)]: "I fear he might grab a gun and start exacting white mans justice in these terrible times of persecution of the white man ... no more persecuted class than white, conservative, ... these poor, poor victims" Wtb is still operating on that super weak and obvious parasite's rhetorical strategy of "repressive tolerance". Wtb's words are the words of slaves and destroyers. To re-explain for bystanders in terms of the left's racialist strategy (something which Seb is incapable of reading due to his poor character and his illiteracy): In slave morality's "repressive tolerance" scheme (the term being from Frankfurt School Marxist Herbert Marcuse), the "oppressor" can do nothing correct/virtuous, and the "oppressed" can do nothing wrong/immoral. This formula is a rhetorical deception aimed at gaining power for the "oppressed", parasiting off of the "oppressor's" power, and openly sacrificing ideological consistency for that power. When it comes to the anti-Whiteism of the left's racialist strategy this means that the slavish leftist (e.g., wtb, Seb) must • deny the virtue of positive White examples, • hold White people to their positive standards while not observing these standards themselves, • elevate slavish destroyers. (This is the very strategy of "The Creator" movie, and wtb reproduced it for us here.) The leftist attempts to use the sovereigns' noble morality against them through a game of opposites. Rhetorically, this funnels the "oppressed" into a no-win situation — *if* the deceptions of the Master–Slave dialectic are observed. This meme is relevant: http://ifu...n-and-i-have-nothing-H4HsE57M7 "No, I'm not a Christian, and I have nothing but contempt for your backward religious beliefs. So yeah, this argument wouldn't work on me, but maybe if I use it on you, you'll do what I want." So, where the nobles of society are strong, virtuous, successful, and healthy, the slavish destroyer will insincerely say.. • "[Isn't it *strong* to allow yourself to be stabbed repeatedly?]" • "[Isn't it *virtuous* to let your societies be ruined by those who possess no virtue?]" • "[Isn't it *success* to participate in the destruction of meritocracy?]" • "[Isn't it *healthy* to remove your genitalia (trans), become grossly overweight (body positivity movement), and become reliant on SSRIs and ADD meds (dysfunctional/anxious-leftist coping industry)?]" And so the anxious leftist will similarly use racialist lies which are designed to stupefy a noble's sense of morality through deception: • The lie of "White privilege" to identify a racial enemy • The lie of the "White oppressor" who has no cause to complain because they're "not 'oppressed'/'persecuted'/'victims'" • The condescending title of "White victimhood", designed to rhetorically remove the possibility that a White person can be made a victim under any circumstance • The lie of "White fragility" or "White defensiveness" as a way to undermine pushback against the leftist destroyers The leftist will stab you and — when you object — will in a condescending baby voice say, "[Oh! Look at the poor White conservative victim!]" *stab stab stab* "[So oppressed! So persecuted!] *shoots up Christian school* "[So fragile! So defensive!]" *Advocates for a Trans Day of Remembrance* This is the sociopathic abuser's logic. You must accept the abuse, and if you complain, *you* have done wrong. In the mind of the abuser, your only "escape" is to accept more abuse. It's *your* fault you make the left do this to you, baby! You just make the left so crazy sometimes!! And yet, the leftist's entire dialectic is a lie — a fabrication. Because people such as wtb operate within the Master–Slave dialectic, even as the left gains tremendous institutional power the leftist will claim that the un-seated former "oppressor" is *still* an "oppressor". All of Western society can be infiltrated with a "sustainability" framework which controls all propaganda to be anti-White, and the wtb-leftist will *still* say, "[Oh! Look at you! You're *soooooo* oppressed. Wah, wah.]" But this is the true purpose of the Master–Slave dialectic: the enslavement of the "oppressor". There is no virtue in a person such as wtb or Seb. They do not intend to end mechanisms of enslavement but create and propagate them. Their nightmarish desire is to become "Masters" over literal slaves, where the "Master" retains the lack of accountability of the "oppressed" yet holds all of the power of the "oppressor". The leftists say, • The "oppressor" is "evil" and must be annihilated and enslaved • If the "oppressor" protests his annihilation and enslavement, we must remember he deserves it and should be ignored for he is not "oppressed" as are we Meanwhile, the dialectic removes freedoms for *all* — even the "revolutionaries". The leftist useful idiot is deceived. He believes he will see the discharge of his resentment against those infinitely better than himself, yet all he does is debase society to levels even lower than he could have ever imagined in his tiny leftist mind. He fancies himself an artist who will have more time for art after the revolution, yet he does not realize that *he* is bourgeois and will be breaking rocks into smaller rocks in the new "Down to the Countryside Movement". Too late he realizes that those "oppressors" were the sovereigns of society who were protecting the weak among society against society's true enemies. Too late he finds that his entire purpose was to soften his own society for enslavement — and that the "Masters" were never among the mob violence of the street crowds but were in quiet meeting rooms, funding the riotous NGOs and deciding how best to manage enslavement under the guise of "debt". It is the leftist useful idiot who owes this debt above all, for he was *given* this revolution by oligarchs who mean to collect or unseat this leftist with another revolution should the leftist fail to comply. He thought he was breaking the wheel as the wheel brought him to the sun, but suddenly the sun fades away and he sees only dirt again. In short, this is wtb's slavish mantra: "When I am weaker than you, I ask you for freedom because that is according to your principles; when I am stronger than you, I take away your freedom because that is according to my principles." — Frank Herbert, Children of Dune
TheChildren Member	Fri Dec 01 10:54:29 who cares if da villain is whitey. that wuld be historically accurate. i dunt see da problem.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Wed Dec 13 19:35:23 "It is *seriously* getting concerning to me, because it is just getting worse, more unapologetic and in your face. In a few years they will just say with words what The Creator was telling us with the casting." Watch "Leave the world behind", produced by the Obamas. It just got worse, didn't take a few years.
Habebe Member	Wed Dec 13 20:12:59 White people are excellent at killing en masses, its kind of our niche. I wouldn't call that evil just a talent we picked up by squabbling amongst each other, but not like the Me.
obaminated Member	Wed Dec 13 20:18:08 I really liked leave the world behind. A bit of political stuff with quasi race baiting but it was done realistically and with a human touch. And the premise is pretty solid. And the fact that Hawke ends up admitting he is a useless cuck and needs the red necks help was also great. A solid 8/10 and one of the few films on netflix that felt like a cinematic movie.
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