Utopia Talk / Politics / germany crashing down?

TheChildren Member	Sun Dec 10 04:42:30 reliance on expensive yankee energy = da dumbest cuck move ever made news is vw is firin over 100k peoples... looks like cutting off nordstream is massive disaster http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13X9dxQa9bI
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Dec 10 10:01:04 That's what de-industrialization looks like. Heard some voices in the German conservative parties and right wing have said that they now wish to backtrack the nuclear phase out and invest in new SMRs. Better later than never, but may also be too little too late. Terrible thought, but everything points towards the race towards the renewable mirage ultimately leading to more CO2 emissions. At some point you realize they are no where close to being a systematic solution for energy, having wasted so much time, resources and political capital on this bridge to nowhere, you now have to build an actual bridge.
TheChildren Member	Mon Dec 11 05:27:25 germany shut down all nuclear energy and shut down all cheap gas. they went from cheap gas to yankee dependancy and super expensive gas is that what u is sayin
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Mon Dec 11 05:52:41 I mean wind and solar more broadly, but Germany is the foremost example to illustrate the point. Wind and solar are a dead end beyond marginal usage and we have spent a lot of resources and time, to now slowly come to terms with the physics of reality. Compare German CO2 emission for energy production with those of France. Had Germany and everyone else spent that time and those resource on going nuclear, we would be in a much better place both in terms of energy security and CO2 emissions. This will ultimately lead to more CO2 emissions. Tragic, especially given that Germany in all their delusion have actively sabotaged nuclear at the EU level. At some point in the future if battery technology has become better by orders of magnitude, if hydrogen technology has come further, maybe then wind and solar can reign supreme, but right now the best and most mature technology is nuclear. It is unmatched terms of resource intensity, footprint, environmental impact and stability. It will never be the absolute cheapest, but good enough. It will take time, but the nuclear industry is ready, several one-of-kind project have been finished, lessons have been learned and both in terms of cost and delivery time, things will get better. Alpha tip: Uranium ETFs and related stocks, URA, UROY, Cameco. I'm up 50% and there is definitely more upside. Fuel costs are marginal for nuclear energy, so the price of uranium can go up a lot more from here, 80-100%.
Daemon Member	Mon Dec 11 08:48:18 So who is the bigger idiot? The Children/Paramount who always looks for the most stupid videos to post them here or Nimatzo who replies like if the video would be based on facts?
jergul large member	Mon Dec 11 09:32:46 If you think things are bad now, it will be worse in a year. The transit lease for gas between Russia and the EU over Ukraine expires december 31st 2024 and I somehow think it will not be renewed. Only 42.4 million cubic meters a day, but there is no way to fill a deficit of that order. Nuclear power matters. Not so much in fragmented markets like Europe (no matter what ACERs say) because deployment at scale is politically impossible and without scale, artisan NPPS will contribute to driving electricity prices too high (from a global competative perspective). With that said, nimis underlying argument are true for places like China, India, Nigeria, Pakistan and Brazil.
jergul large member	Mon Dec 11 09:33:28 I forgot Indonesia.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Mon Dec 11 10:15:05 Daemon Your country's industries are fucked regardless of the video. But by all means, celebrate your win, if the contents are incorrect. It's on the house.
jergul large member	Mon Dec 11 10:23:47 Its industries could just renew natural gas imports from Russia. NS1 is still there and NS2 can be repaired. "Fucked" is a policy choice.
Habebe Member	Mon Dec 11 11:16:41 Germany should have listened to Trump obviously he was far wiser than there entire government....how crazy is that?
Habebe Member	Mon Dec 11 11:18:53 http://youtu.be/eKEycjREgPE?si=ehQsm2iVZoEg1FYn
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Mon Dec 11 12:01:31 Jergul That is definitely true, Germany could, instead of the long term best options in every conceivable way, maintain its cult-like commitment to energiewende and place it's tits in the Russian vice again. Anything to not admit they are wrong.
jergul large member	Mon Dec 11 12:53:18 Because German uranium production is so big that that is really the only power source it can use that would not place its tits in someone's vice? You really have bought into the narrative that Russia weaponized natural gas. It did not. It has kept up supplies as best it could. That Germany chose to reduce funding Russia is a German choice. For weaponizing energy. See Ukraine blowing up NS2.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Mon Dec 11 13:11:47 I have no idea what alternate reality the people you normally discuss this with live in. But where I lived it was the buying gas from someone that invaded another country and this being a red line for German sensibilities, that is tits in the vice. Like buying milk from the mafia. I'm sure the mafia will keep selling you milk, it's about you tolerating all the other shady things that they do. It's about alignment of values, apparently German values don't align with Russia's. They align fairly well with Canada and Australia, they can buy uranium from them.
jergul large member	Mon Dec 11 13:21:26 Nimi Germany still buys lots of natural gas from Russia. What is currently lacking is the will to fix or replace the natural gas pipeline Ukraine blew up. Germany cannot thrive on expensive nuclear power. Its industry needs cheap power. Germans know this. And are you so sure German values at their core do not align quite neatly with Russian? Continental great powers have a lot in common.
jergul large member	Mon Dec 11 13:27:10 Not that I mind. Your idiot cousins won the lottery again. First oil, then suddenly our gas is worth a fortune. Then we discovered the largest phosphate reserve in the world. You just wait. We will likely scratch and win with thorium too (the element is called thorium after the god because it pretty much is a Norwegian geological feature). It truly is stupid. I am glad I am your lottery loving retarded cousin.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Mon Dec 11 13:28:10 Doesn't matter what I think, it matter what Germans think about themselves and ultimately end up doing.
TheChildren Member	Mon Dec 11 13:34:06 "Germany still buys lots of natural gas from Russia. What is currently lacking is the will to fix or replace the natural gas pipeline Ukraine blew up. " >> everybdy alrdy knows who really did it ukr was just da fall guy
Paramount Member	Mon Dec 11 13:57:12 Jergul, ”That Germany chose to reduce funding Russia is a German choice.” I think it was decided by the Biden administration. Nimatzo, ”But where I lived it was the buying gas from someone that invaded another country and this being a red line for German sensibilities … It's about alignment of values” No. It’s not about values. There were no a red lines from buying things from the US or the UK when they invaded Iraq. Sweden had no red lines doing business with nazi germany. US do business with Saudi Arabia, Israel and anyone else if there is profit to be made. The US still make business with Russia for an example. What i’m saying is that countries are gonna do business with other countries regardless of any war or human rights violations as long as they benefit from it and as long as no other more powerful country threatens you to stop making business with that country (which is what happened here). The US pressured/threatened Europe to stop making business with Russia. Had there been no threats or pressure then Germany and Europe would have continued to buy cheap energy from Russia. The US was complaining about Europe buying gas from Russia a long time before the war in Ukraine. The US was actually being very hostile to European countries and companies about it. After their agent Olaf Sholtz was installed and after the US provoked the war with Russia in Ukraine, the US could then easily make Germany and EU implement their ”Energy independence from Russia” thing. ”iTs abOut vAlueS” No, child. It is not. It is about US corporate profit.
Habebe Member	Mon Dec 11 14:52:32 "”That Germany chose to reduce funding Russia is a German choice.” I think it was decided by the Biden administration." Well, the US literally sees most of Europe as a vassal state, similar to Canada.
Paramount Member	Wed Dec 20 11:02:34 De-industrialisation is in progress. http://youtu.be/HUweBkipIqs
Paramount Member	Thu Dec 21 14:56:54 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkuKnYdtW9w
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