Utopia Talk / Politics / Maine joins the Fun

Dukhat rank	Fri Dec 29 05:20:00 2023 LoL. Get fucked traitor.
murder rank	Fri Dec 29 06:04:18 2023 What kind of asshat steals this glory from patom? Mods delete this thread! >:o(
kargen rank	Fri Dec 29 08:16:43 2023 Trump is back on the ballot in Colorado and will be removed again if the Supreme Court decides not to hear the appeal.
Dukhat rank	Fri Dec 29 09:25:22 2023 I kind of wanted Trump to stay on the ballot since he'll lose to Biden again no matter what whereas Nikki Haley would win if the economy was bad. But we've had a soft landing and this is the worst of it. Sub 3% inflation next year and interest rates starting to go down = Biden beating everyone.
Rugian rank	Fri Dec 29 10:34:34 2023 Sukhat is literally an anti-democrat.
patom rank	Fri Dec 29 13:15:04 2023 Must have happened while I was taking my afternoon nap. Kind of looking forward to seeing Trump losing but it's yet to be seen if they can get him to trial. I was just thinking back on a tactic I saw a few inmates pulled. They didn't want to go to prison so (actually preferred the County Jail), They would fire their attorney just before trial, then the new attorney would need time to prepare. I'm wondering if Trump's pro bono lawyer will go along with that tactic.
patom rank	Fri Dec 29 13:16:16 2023 Must have happened while I was taking my afternoon nap. Kind of looking forward to seeing Trump losing but it's yet to be seen if they can get him to trial. I was just thinking back on a tactic I saw a few inmates pulled. They didn't want to go to prison so (actually preferred the County Jail), They would fire their attorney just before trial, then the new attorney would need time to prepare. I'm wondering if Trump's pro bono lawyer will go along with that tactic.
patom rank	Fri Dec 29 13:28:09 2023 If anyone is interested the full decision is in this article. http://www...-to-bar-trump-from-the-ballot/
Rugian rank	Fri Dec 29 17:03:00 2023 ^ I read through patom's link. Tl;dr version A. Preamble and summary of proceedings (pages 1-5) B. The Secretary upholds the challengers objections during the proceedings and rejects virtually all of Trump's (pages 5-11) C. The Secretary concludes that she has the authority to disqualify candidates "who are constitutionally prohibited" from office. This in itself is fine, but she subsequently uses this as a basis for determining whether Trump committed insurrection (pages 11-15) D. The Secretary dismisses a bogus challenge that because Trump claims he's won two elections he's disqualified from running a third time (pages 15-16) E. The Secretary declares that this proceeding is an appropriate venue to determine whether Trump is disqualified under the Insurrection Clause of the 14th Amendment (pages 16-18) From here though it goes completely off the rails: F. The Secretary finds that the Insurrection Clause is self-executing and that Trump not be found guilty by a court of law for insurrection in order to be disqualified. The legal precedents cited here are really shaky, ranging from contemporary 2023 hearings to historic interpretations of OTHER portions of 14A (pages 18-20) G. Discussion of whether the president is considered an "officer" (pages 20-23) H. This and Section I are the where most of the bullshit is. The Secretary declares that 1/6 was an insurrection, using an EXTREMELY broad definition of the term: "The public use of violence by a group of people to hinder or prevent the execution of the Constitution." Under this standard, an insurrection need not involve weaponry, result in bloodshed, or even be "highly organized," and can be of any duration (pages 23-26) This is an insane intepretation of the term. Under this standard, a group of people who spontaneously assaulted a federal marshal who was in the process of enforcing a court writ could be "insurrectionists." She then goes on to say that even under a narrower standard of insurrection, 1/6 was one because it lasted for hours, involved acts of assault and vandalism, and saw "many" of its participants carrying "weapons" (wtf?) I. The Secretary finds that Trump engaged in insurrection, using a generic "incitement" threshhold. To support her finding, she pulls cherry-picked quotes of him questioning the 2020 election results and calling for his supporters to protest his loss. At no point does she provide any support for her claim that Trump actually wanted to have an organized violent riot take place at the Capitol (pages 26-32) J. The Secretary finds that Trump lacks a 1st Amendment defense because he intended to commit incitement (despite her failing to suggest that latter part) (pages 32-33) K. Conclusion (pages 33-34) ----- So yeah, this is a garbage ruling that declares that Secretaries of State can arbitrarily find anyone guilty of insurrection and disqualify them from the ballot deprives Trump of due process under the law, and undermines democracy in the State of Maine. Fantastic.
Rugian rank	Fri Dec 29 17:05:44 2023 I do like though how, under her standards for what "insurrection" and "engaging in insurrection" are, the vast majority of Democratic Party candidates would be ineligible for office for their support of the BLM and Antifa riots. I guarantee Biden will be thrown off the ballot in at least one Republican state if this standard is somehow allowed to stand (though even the Secretary acknowledges that SCOTUS will likely override her).
tumbleweed rank	Fri Dec 29 19:14:32 2023 there was no vast support of riots "Secretaries of State can arbitrarily find anyone guilty of insurrection and disqualify them from the ballot deprives Trump of due process under the law" it's my understanding in Maine this is the proper path... secretary before courts also... Trump: "An 'extremely credible source' has called my office and told me that @BarackObama 's birth certificate is a fraud." (& heaps of other similar comments) what do you think would've occurred if any of that made up bullshit had evidence?
Rugian rank	Fri Dec 29 19:24:37 2023 No, they just tried to gaslight Americans into believing that riots weren't even occurring (or in some cases admitting riots were happening but justifying violence as "the voice of the unheard" and similar bullshit). Biden specifically spent 2020 denying that Antifa existed at all...a blatant lie by a serial liar. You think a GOP SoS couldn't construe that as abetting insurrection? "it's my understanding in Maine this is the proper path... secretary before courts" Regardless of order, the Secretary fucked up with this ruling. It'll be overturned either by the state courts or SCOTUS. "what do you think would've occurred if any of that made up bullshit had evidence?" I think that if a Republican state had disqualified Obama from the ballot based on nothing more than the partisan claims of a clear detractor, the entire world would be screaming bloody murder at how unjust and insane that is. What a ways we've come in 12 years.
Rugian rank	Fri Dec 29 19:27:23 2023 Do you understand that, for all of Trump's dumb tweets and statements over the years, the amount of ACTUAL damage that he's done to the democratic foundations of our republic is far less than what the Democrats have done in their efforts to fight him? Actions matter much more than words. I know, I know, you disagree, but you're wrong.
tumbleweed rank	Fri Dec 29 22:06:31 2023 "based on nothing more than the partisan claims" partisan claims is not the case w/ Trump, it's reality vs (head-in-the-sand or cult), your whole side incapable of looking at the evidence (hence why in the lead up to the charges, Fox was repeatedly talking about his speech that day & how would be wrong to charge for incitement, w/ never a mention of anything else) --------------- "the amount of ACTUAL damage that he's done to the democratic foundations" is massive... 100% distrust in elections by the cult (plus numerous false smears of DOJ & the FBI in particular) & the whole R side is completely fine w/ his post election efforts (or afraid to say anything as they'll get booted from the 'party' cult) his efforts were 100% provably to overturn the results w/ -lies-... including indefensible & clearly corrupt effort to have the DOJ lie to States... & comically idiotic plots such as the fake electors (which somehow doesn't bother anyone on your side, or you pretend the motive isn't what was explicitly stated & written down by the treasonous criminals)
murder rank	Fri Dec 29 22:08:03 2023 All of it is bullshit. Basically you have morons arguing that any dumbass can empower her/himself to declare candidates ineligible for office. I can only assume that Mike Johnson can just declare Biden and Harris guilty of insurrection and disqualify them both from office. That's how it works, right?
kargen rank	Sat Dec 30 04:01:39 2023 "there was no vast support of riots" The idiots you are in league with claims Trump was part of the insurrection because he didn't speak out against the riots for over two hours. Apply that to Democrats and the riots and they are pretty much all guilty.
tumbleweed rank	Sat Dec 30 06:46:40 2023 let's see if i can figure some differences... well, everyone on Trump's staff, & his children, & many Fox hosts, & Kevin McCarthy (calling while under siege) all were pushing him to do more than the weak tweets they already had pressured him to do... & why? as the rioters incredibly clearly were Trump's cultists & acting entirely for him so everyone knew he had sway (plus there's video proof the cultists were monitoring his comments, so everyone was right) plus there's his indefensible Pence tweet & afterward him justifying their attack & saying he loved them feel free to have a problem w/ something please whereas no indication nor reason to believe any BLM looter/rioter was monitoring any Dem twitter nor would've cared what they said (& i'm sure plenty did condemn it)
Turtle Crawler rank	Sat Dec 30 07:33:32 2023 Every time they do this Trumps poll numbers go up. He's been polling several points up for weeks now, at this rate he'll win by 10. You really aren't supposed to VISIBLY rig elections.
kargen rank	Sat Dec 30 07:59:21 2023 "let's see if i can figure some differences..." you can't. Your brain doesn't work any longer. are you somehow under the impression that the people that were in the capitol building on January 6th were just staring at their phones waiting for a message. Some did have their phones out but they were either taking videos or photos. And if those that went in the building had actually listened to Trump they would not have entered the building. He did say go down their and peacefully demonstrate. They didn't listen to him then why would they listen mid riot? The BLM insurrection lasted for months. You also believe none of those rioters checked Twitter when they got up in the afternoon before they went out for another round of insurrection? Nah they saw local politicians and media types saying oh they are just letting off some steam let em be. They saw no condemnation from the left and since they were being told by the left the right was the reason everything sucked there was no way in hell they would listen to the few that were making sense.
tumbleweed rank	Sat Dec 30 09:08:17 2023 i guess you should've watched the hearings so many want to argue the facts yet refuse to look at them... there is video proof of cultists reading the messages during the riots... multiple different ones... including ones seeing the 3 hours late 'go home' video & saying 'ok, i guess we should go' also... why did multiple Fox hosts message? why did Don Jr?... why did his staff keep urging him?... why did they call in Ivanka to coax him?... why did Kevin McCarthy call?... again, everyone knew he had influence... & they were right... you are a fool, as usual and he didn't just not call off the dogs, he contacted no one to assist... he did nothing but stir the pot "The BLM insurrection lasted for months. You also believe none of those rioters checked Twitter when they got up in the afternoon before they went out for another round of insurrection? " what the fuck is wrong w/ you... they weren't fighting for a Dem cause, they weren't fighting for any Dem at all... how can you possibly see any similarity at all? what the fuck is wrong w/ you people & your 'party'? "Nah they saw local politicians and media types saying oh they are just letting off some steam let em be. They saw no condemnation from the left..." this is your brain on Faux
Cherub Cow rank	Sat Dec 30 13:36:22 2023 It's simple: tw is in a death cult. Q: With this simple reality known, what is the result of tw being in a death cult? A: Tw will hold any idea which results in the cult's worship of death to be granted it great manifestation: mass death and suffering. That's it. That's all you need to know about tw. Tw will say anything he needs to say to kick off the political a55a55inations. Anyone who can see one move ahead knows that these insurrectionary acts by traitors in Colorado, Maine, and California are going to cause political a55a55inations. You either have to pretend that tw is so retarded that he cannot see this one single move ahead, or you have to realize that tw is on his 41st thread celebrating his death cult's fixation and that he can see this simple consequence and *wants* it. And why does tw want it? Because he's in a death cult. And he is evil. A psychopath who fixates on one person in a moment of pure hatred (e.g., the Two Minutes Hate that tw cheers for daily) can only satisfy his hatred by purging the fixation: by killing the person upon whom he fixates. This is the aim of the death cult. And as crazy as tw is, just remember that other members of the cult are even more unhinged and violent. The Regime is counting on these psychopaths to take action against the object of fixation which possesses them all. Tw is not even there anymore. Tw is not even a person. Tw is a shell who possesses some faint flashes of some person's memories. Tw is a Manchurian Candidate who can only await his next activation signal. .. [kargen]: "The BLM insurrection lasted for months". Yep! It is indisputable that the DNC–BLM Insurrection was 100% absolutely controlled and directed by the totalitarian Regime. It's such an obvious fact of their insurrection that these following details are almost clichés: • DNC figures such as Kamala Harris directly involved themselves in reducing criminal sentences for BLM rioters and directed DNC supporters to a bail fund for Minnesota criminals ("Minnesota Freedom Fund" received millions from Harris' endorsements and DNC support http://twitter.com/KamalaHarris/status/1267555018128965643 . These funds went to keeping the DNC criminal caste out of jails and back on the streets for more rioting.) • DNC Psychopath George Soros invested more than $200 million shortly after Floyd which went into funding BLM–DNC Insurrectionists, Marxist groups, and Destroyer (DNC) district attorneys, who — with their DNC powers — further protected DNC–BLM Insurrectionists. http://www...ial-justice-organizations.html • DNC Propagandists such as John Oliver lied to the public on behalf of their DNC donors to push the "moderate" case for "defund the police" (Oliver: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wf4cea5oObY Oliver on Fallon: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwJIYtzOLRI ). There was near unanimous propaganda consolidation on this issue across all DNC-Politburo/Party apparatchiks, including Kimmel, Colbert ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNAvkbwzeTs ), Seth Meyers ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=YV5srZTCX9k ), and (obviously) Trevor Noah ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVW2eaCyC5c ). The defund movement disempowered police departments and allowed DNC-endorsed protestors to riot knowing that police actions would be censured by the Regime. • Biden's White House pretended that it wanted to "fund" the police, but all of its "fund" initiatives were the **exact same political actions** as the defund movement. They simply called it "funding" the police because they were funding departments which complied with the requests of the defund movement and *only* those portions of departments which applied the "Racial equity" Marxism of the DNC—BLM Insurrection. http://www...-deploy-these-dollars-quickly/ (I did a full writeup of this deception here, comment "Wed Jul 27 04:25:25" http://uto...hread=90310&time=1662987565167 ) In other words, the Biden White House *confirmed* that it fully supported the 2020 DNC—BLM insurrection's goals. • DNC apparatchiks fed the public the lie that it was safe to riot if it were on behalf of Regime politics (e.g., on behalf of the DNC's Insurrection). They were expressly told that the DNC's insurrection was actually "healthier" than getting COVID in the long run, and that the DNC's insurrectionary crowds were actually not getting COVID because the cult's Faith in Party protects them from COVID! (They mocked this logic in the "covered in Jesus' blood" church-goer, but the DNC's own church is not coded as low class and therefore you must not notice their cult logic!) http://time.com/5848212/doctors-supporting-protests/ This deception was able to keep DNC insurrectionists on the streets despite the Regime's simultaneous messaging on COVID's lethality. This supplied a perfect "Fahrenheit 451" trope wherein the streets now belonged largely to sociopathic destroyers; the Regime's anarcho-tyranny protected its rioters while condemning the law-abiding (e.g., condemned Rittenhouse while supporting the pedophiles that he killed). And this is before getting into thousands of examples of DNC politicians supporting the BLM movement directly or DNC apparatchiks feeding such memes as.. • "Show me where it says that protests are supposed to be polite and peaceful" — CNN's Chris Cuomo http://www...osed-to-be-polite-and-peaceful • The recycling of the Marxist MLK's "language of the unheard" rhetoric in the mainstream http://www...-riot-george-floyd/5282486002/ (By the Regime's reckoning, it certainly was not the "language of the unheard" for the Capitol Protesters! Where were the DNC articles mass-released for public consciousness *then*? Were not election-integrity questions "unheard" to the satisfaction of these protestors? Doesn't count! They're not DNC Insurrectionists!) • And, we cannot forget the "fiery but mostly peaceful protests" CNN meme http://the...caption-with-video-of-burning/ In other words, the idea that the DNC did *not* outright support the 2020 BLM Insurrection is *laughable*. • Regime media *demanded* support for the protests, • apparatchiks went on their DNC-sanctioned shows to argue for supporting violence, intimidation, and the destruction of the founding principles of these United States, dismissing these liberties as a society "founded on white supremacy" which is "systemically racist" and must be "dismantled" totally and "re-imagined" by anti-American destroyers (i.e., they explicitly and openly called for the destruction of these United States — an absolutist ideology of insurrection), • Biden and Harris *directly* supported the Insurrection and even **followed up** on their support through direct policy after being elected, • Nearly *every* DNC politician supported the riots openly and loudly to prove loyalty to the Party. The party that matches these symptoms *might* just want to destroy these United States: • limit and control the First Amendment, • abolish the Second Amendment, • abolish the Electoral College, • abolish the Senate, • Pack the Supreme Court and/or make the court elected by the propagandized mob, • control D.C. directly by making D.C. a state, • control all elections at the federal level (uni-party control of elections) • establish a federal police force to replace the local authority of state police (FBI 2.0 / FBI Lite), • expand the purview of the Capitol Police to become a weapon of the House majority, etc. • riot in cities around the U.S., • actively change U.S. laws to destroy election integrity, • remove competing parties from the ballot, • intimidate Justices at their homes, • threaten and plan to murder Supreme Court justices and presidential candidates. And yet, tw will pretend that the *right* is in a cult? No. He is not *that* retarded. Right?? Again, tw is in a death cult. It is not so much that it is "true" that he thinks that the right is in a cult, it's that pretending that the DNC has not been pushing its own open insurrection is how he obfuscates that he is an evil destroyer in a death cult who does indeed want to destroy these United States.
Cherub Cow rank	Sat Dec 30 15:26:24 2023 Physiognomy of the Maine Secretary of State who gleefully discharges her psychosis by purging Trump from her soul: http://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1740617732444565646
Cherub Cow rank	Sat Dec 30 15:39:08 2023 Maine's Regime psychopath repeats the "protect our democracy" talking points of the Politburo: http://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1740794354820960566 It is not motivated by anything related to insurrection. By the reckoning of the psychosis victims, Trump is merely a threat to the Bolshevik destruction of these United States.
Cherub Cow rank	Sat Dec 30 15:40:33 2023 *"It is not motivated by anything related to insurrection." (that is, their fallacious assignment of the Capitol protests as "insurrection". It is an insurrection that *she* is waging, however.)
Rugian rank	Sat Dec 30 15:56:10 2023 Tumbleweed 1/6 wasn't an insurrection, it was a riot. It's as simple as that. Trump hasn't been charged with, much less convicted of insurrection. He never called for the violent overthrow of the US government. He had no involvement with the handful of people who tried to "organize" some conspiracy that day. He did claim that the election was stolen from him...which has been a typical refrain from the losing side of the majority of elections since 2000. Inflammatory and wrong? Yes, but too bad, he's entitled to his opinion. And don't you dare tell me that I'm uninformed on this issue. I saw all of Trump's tweets between Novemeber and January 2021. I know what he was saying, and I don't need a biased partisan and hostile committee to parse his words into whatever conclusion they were going for. Bottom line, this Secretary is a partisan moron who is wrong, and her opinion will be overturned.
Rugian rank	Sat Dec 30 15:59:27 2023 Both of Maine's senators and one of its two representatives have condemned the ruling. http://the...mp-shouldnt-be-removed-ballot/ This Secretary probably knew she'd be overturned but thought she could earn some brownie points with the leftwing base. And all she needed to do was plunge a dagger into our democratic process and hope the adults would clean up her mess. What an asshole.
Rugian rank	Sat Dec 30 15:59:29 2023 Both of Maine's senators and one of its two representatives have condemned the ruling. http://the...mp-shouldnt-be-removed-ballot/ This Secretary probably knew she'd be overturned but thought she could earn some brownie points with the leftwing base. And all she needed to do was plunge a dagger into our democratic process and hope the adults would clean up her mess. What an asshole.
tumbleweed rank	Sat Dec 30 19:55:56 2023 "He did claim that the election was stolen from him...which has been a typical refrain from the losing side of the majority of elections since 2000" if you think all he did was make claims & in any way similar to what Dems did, you are completely ignorant (as is your entire side of the aisle... it's downright creepy that they just -cant- watch the hearings or read the indictment (both full of Trump-voting under-oath R witnesses plus documents & other hard proof & NOBODY even denying the shit, you just assume wrong somehow), it's like a forcefield around them... & why Fox kept telling the audience the charges expected were about incitement to riot due to his speech that day... & i'm sure a bulk of the ignorant Right still thinks that's what its about as why wouldn't they) --------------------- "This Secretary probably knew she'd be overturned but thought she could earn some brownie points with the leftwing base" yeah, i'm sure she's loving the death threats to her & her family... same as the Colorado judges getting... plus she would've seen how Trump/cult only using it for support anyway (& how many times has Trump discouraged the death threats against his enemies that have happened continuously for years? yeah, still zero..., just him still posting their images & names on his cult feed) perhaps she was just doing what she felt right... she didn't decide to do it on her own, a filing by others was made & she acted on it as is her job
tumbleweed rank	Sat Dec 30 20:14:29 2023 "He had no involvement with the handful of people who tried to "organize" some conspiracy that day" also, this is not established we* know they purposely hid that he was going to send the crowd to the Capitol... why did they want to keep that secret? i can't think of a good reason, an evil one would be it would've encouraged more security we* know Trump wanted to go to the Capitol... why? it wasn't for a speech, he just gave one & no prep for it... he just wanted to watch people peacefully protest from the car instead of TV? we* know Bannon was excited about what would happen & knew something surprising would happen... & Bannon was part of Trump's 'war room' of traitors still meeting & planning on that day... why did that even exist... we* know Trump most definitely gave aid & comfort from inaction, provocation, & praise (w/ multitudes on his own side agreeing he wasn't acting as he should) (* well, your side probably doesn't due to the forcefield & inability to see his fucked up actions/comments) & ^that's just what i know myself, i don't know what all the CO judges looked at he most definitely should never handle classified info again, nor ever be given power again & him perceived to be getting treated poorly is an idiotic reason to make you vote for him (as your 'party' is weirdly deciding to do)
Rugian rank	Sat Dec 30 20:26:38 2023 She suspended democracy in the State of Maine...how did she think that people would react? But no, she's not actually afraid of death threats that will never actually be acted on, or if they ever were would be stopped by her police protection...she loves the attention that she's getting from this. Now regardless of how SCOTUS rules, she can bill herself as the "woman who bravely did her job and stood up to Trump" or some nonsense. Of course she did what she "felt" was right...that's the problem. She's a Democratic Party hack who's on record for having hatred of Trump and his "insurrection" long before this case came before her, this was always how she was going to rule no matter what. How hard would it have been to say "in the absence of a court ruling saying otherwise, I am not qualified make subjective determinations of whether a candidate has committed a 14.3 violation?" I've already previously addressed why the J6 committee was worse than worthless...cherry-picked testimony and evidence by a partisan group of Trump haters is not an objective investigation. Ditto your comments about Trump undermining institutions, I've addressed that previously. Refer to those comments. If you don't think that Democrats kicking the opposition off voting ballots, encouraging political violence, weaponizing the bureaucracy and DoJ, demanding that their competitors be censored, spending four years claiming that Trump was "illegitimate," and claiming that America is a structurally racist place whose historic figures and events need to be memory-holed and re-written to conform to their Marxist narratives demand doesn't do more to undermine our institutions than Trump's angry tweets, then I don't know what to tell you (other than that you're wrong).
Dukhat rank	Sat Dec 30 20:57:49 2023 It's so fucking stupid the whataboutism. Trump instigated the attacks and he funded all of the loudest election deniers and he was caught multiple times calling up Republicans in charge to try to change the result. The fucking emperor had no clothes from day one but the deluded like to pretend it's either a nothinburger or the dems did it but worse.
Rugian rank	Sat Dec 30 21:09:52 2023 ^supports having his political opponents be ineligible to run in our democracy, because reasons Go to Communist China already Fuckhat. It's clearly more your cup of tea.
tumbleweed rank	Sat Dec 30 21:43:09 2023 "cherry-picked testimony and evidence by a partisan group of Trump haters is not an objective investigation" so who went on Fox/Newsmax/OAN/shitholeliars to say their testimony was edited (even though there were live witnesses)... who has said every/any claim wasn't true? what part do you even doubt? there's public statements/video backup for nearly all of it, & document/texts backing up the rest... there is NO speculation this is what's so fucking crazy about your cult/party... NOBODY even denies what J6 uncovered, but you just say it's all false based on NOTHING AT ALL
tumbleweed rank	Sat Dec 30 21:56:54 2023 Bill Barr's testimony was by video clip (rather than the multiple Trump-supporting R's who testified live)... so, has he claimed he was deceptively edited? no wait, he still says exactly what J6 showed he said but wait... he's a Trump hater!!!!! why is that, what has he had issue with? oh, he didn't go along w/ Trump's efforts to fucking lie & corrupt the DOJ... how horrible of him... what a stupid reason to speak negative comments about Trump now... or please give me your version of events for Bill Barr that isn't fucked up idiocy
obaminated rank	Sat Dec 30 22:11:43 2023 This entire thread was awesome. Liberals gas light. Rugian tries to argue. It's great. Also patom is a complete fool.
tumbleweed rank	Sat Dec 30 22:20:14 2023 another observation... your side is upset 1 person can singlehandedly rule if Trump on ballot (though she has full realization courts will also weigh in) while also completely fine with Trumps continued insistence Pence could singlehandedly reject electoral votes (plus with the architect of the obviously corrupt plot having full knowledge courts would reject it but with explicit plan to avoid the courts)... and that’s with 100% proof despite your side believing all evidence must automatically be false, it can’t even be viewed or acknowledged, and no contradictory evidence needed Trump -always- worse on every complaint of Dems and your side sees nothing
murder rank	Sun Dec 31 01:35:15 2023 GOP rep warns House has final say over election after states deem Trump ineligible for ballots Rep. Thomas Massie (R-Ky.) issued a warning to states moving to keep former President Trump off the presidential ballot, saying the House of Representatives has the final say over whether electors from those states are certified on Jan. 6, 2025. “Maine, Colorado, and other states that might try to bureaucratically deny ballot access to any Republican nominee should remember the U.S. House of Representatives is the ultimate arbiter of whether to certify electors from those states,” Massie posted Friday on X, formerly Twitter. Billionaire Elon Musk, owner of X, replied to Massie’s tweet about certification: “Interesting.” Trump was declared ineligible by Colorado’s Supreme Court last week and by Maine’s secretary of state on Thursday under the 14th Amendment’s insurrection clause, pointing to Trump’s denial of 2020 election results and actions leading up to a mob of his supporters attacking the Capitol building on Jan. 6, 2021, as it met to certify electors from each state. That normally mundane certification procedure in January 2025, Massie suggested, could be the mechanism by which Congress tosses out electoral votes from Maine, Colorado and any other states where Trump is ultimately denied ballot access. Massie has endorsed Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis in the GOP presidential primary, and in 2021 did not vote against certifying the election results from either Arizona or Pennsylvania after the mob attack. He elaborated in a subsequent tweet that any move to toss electoral votes in 2025 would likely depend on whether Republicans keep control of the House, where they currently have a slim majority. “That effort [in 2021] was doomed because Democrats controlled the House and Senate at that time. Republicans hold a slim majority in the House now. Whether we keep the majority remains to be seen,” Massie said. The threshold for challenging electoral results on Jan. 6, 2025, however, will be higher than it was four years earlier. The Electoral Count Reform Act, passed in 2022, raises the threshold to object to results from any state from just one member from each chamber to a fifth of the members from each chamber. Whether Trump is ultimately kept off any state ballots remains to be seen. Trump’s campaign has pledged to file a legal challenge to the Maine Secretary of State’s decision to prevent it from taking effect. And in Colorado, the state Supreme Court stayed its decision to allow for review by the U.S. Supreme Court. Maine’s decision in particular has drawn criticism even from Trump’s antagonists like Maine Sens. Angus King (I) and Susan Collins (R), both of whom voted to convict Trump in his post-Jan. 6 impeachment trial. Other states have rejected similar challenges about Trump’s eligibility, with the Minnesota Supreme Court rejecting a 14th Amendment argument and a court in Michigan ruling that its secretary of state did not have the authority to determine Trump’s eligibility based on the 14th Amendment. http://the...e-2024-election-trump-ballots/
jergul rank	Sun Dec 31 02:04:08 2023 Does it matter? Maine has voted blue since 1988.
tumbleweed rank	Sun Dec 31 02:46:57 2023 doesn't make a difference if Trump on the ballot or not, the cult GOP will reject the electoral vote if Trump not the winner under any circumstance he 100% obviously will again complain mass fraud (already laying the seeds... which he's done for years, but already specifically for 2024) and the cult will again require no evidence at all, and the 'party' is being culled of anyone not completely loyal to the cult leader
kargen rank	Sun Dec 31 02:50:05 2023 "also... why did multiple Fox hosts message? why did Don Jr?... why did his staff keep urging him?... why did they call in Ivanka to coax him?... why did Kevin McCarthy call?..." Same reason multiple people were begging left wing politicians to speak out against the BLM insurrection. You claimed you were going to find a difference and I said you would be unable to do so. As of now I am correct and you still have failed to differentiate in Trump not speaking sooner and Democrats not speaking sooner. And you never will.
kargen rank	Sun Dec 31 02:53:27 2023 yes jergul it does matter because of down ballot voting. If they are successful at keeping Trump off the ballot many Trump supporters won't bother to vote at all. That means down ticket candidates don't get the support they might otherwise have garnered. Also I have no doubt if this succeeds the same states will claim precedent and try keeping him off the general ballot. That would not only affect other candidates but all issues on the ballot as well
tumbleweed rank	Sun Dec 31 03:07:55 2023 "As of now I am correct and you still have failed to differentiate in Trump not speaking sooner and Democrats not speaking sooner. " you are a fucking idiot... lets compare: a cultist invited by Trump to DC for a 'stop the steal' rally is directed to the capitol by Trump who has told them the election still winnable, they take the extraordinary step of attacking the Capitol & you think it's unlikely any significant number will check Twitter to see if the cult leader they are fighting for & who tweets regularly is making any comment? the one many hope will declare martial law & seize power... nope... (and of course, we already know you're fucking wrong, as multiple videos of cultists reading his tweets including shouting them into a bullhorn) vs whether a looter considering getting himself some new shoes might check Twitter to see if their local politician is saying anything... i suspect the average looter Follows zero politicians (have any videos of looters checking Twitter and/or relaying messages of Dem politicians?) you are a fucking idiot your whole side is... as they all are completely blind to the completely obvious differences on this, on his attempts to change results in general vs anything Hillary/any Dem did, on classified docs, on poisonous rhetoric, on every fucking thing
kargen rank	Sun Dec 31 03:13:08 2023 Again you fail to see you offer up no difference. People wanted Trump to speak out and say he was to slow in doing so. People wanted Democrats to speak out about the riots and say they failed to do so. So if Trump is guilty of insurrection for not speaking out so are many many Democrats who failed to speak out. And remember a good number of those Democrats were actually encouraging confrontation. Trump might be guilty of a few things. Insurrection is not one of them and that being the case there is no legal reason to keep him from running for office.
Cherub Cow rank	Sun Dec 31 05:00:46 2023 [obaminated]: "This entire thread was awesome. Liberals gas light. Rugian tries to argue. It's great. Also patom is a complete fool." It's a fun thread. The leftist cult in this thread aren't capable of having actual arguments. That's really the dividing line of our times: people who are still capable of reason will invariably become "right wing", and cultist psychopaths such as tw will default to the left. I do appreciate Rugian's and kargen's comments. It's important to understand that tw is in a death cult and cannot be reasoned with; People such as Sebgul, tw, dukhat, and patom can never be convinced of anything that does not support their death cult and the expansion of a global totalitarian state. But thoroughly demolishing the cultist logic with reason still sets a good example for observers who are *not* psychopathic destroyers. We must remember that these people should never be near power.
tumbleweed rank	Sun Dec 31 05:20:32 2023 “Again you fail to see you offer up no difference. People wanted Trump to speak out and say he was to slow in doing so. People wanted Democrats to speak out about the riots and say they failed to do so. “ yeah, the same people... Fox hosts in private urging Trump to act as he incredibly clearly had sway vs Fox hosts claiming Dems not condemning sufficiently to score political points also, you’ve been proven wrong since the start... it’s 100% proven cultists were monitoring the cult leaders comments so everybody thinking cultists would be paying attention to the cult leader who they are there for and whose behalf they are acting on makes complete sense despite your personal struggle whereas BLM rioters who are not acting on any Dems cause or instruction would not be checking in... plus your false myth that Dems (& media) approved of riots... and yes I know you can find one black person trying to justify as reparations or whatever you are fucking nuts also there’s the fucking nuts behavior of your whole ‘party’ reducing all of Trumps clearly worse behavior to being supposedly equivalent to what your side attacks Dems on, then even when ‘equivalent’, having no problem with Trump doing it
Cherub Cow rank	Sun Dec 31 06:03:23 2023 [tw (TDS bot and Death Cultist)]: "plus your false myth that Dems (& media) approved of riots..." You see how blatantly he lies?
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