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Habebe
rank Mon Feb 12 04:27:20 2024
http://youtu.be/6r3ORU6Lx-k?si=qTDAvas8M945nvjU

Listen,and US cops need to change something,they are, no million man marches (victim was white)

But outside of middle eastern dictators torture squads, US cops are BRUTAL for no reason reason.

I stay in my swamp and keep lawyers on stand-by, but still.

Can we wonder why some people decide to shoot first?

Not that I'm condoning that either.

murder
rank Mon Feb 12 04:42:13 2024

Where was that?

Habebe
rank Mon Feb 12 14:24:43 2024
I'll have to check the locale.

http://youtube.com/shorts/HVROZSmz2js?si=C6kD4xRwHW07wlgT

Bull Dyke in fla gets fired for being batch.

Serves her right .

Rugian
rank Mon Feb 12 14:52:17 2024
Stanislaus County, NorCal.

Cherub Cow
rank Mon Feb 12 18:21:59 2024
The cops in the first video were impressively retarded and incompetent. That's a sebbish level of autism — just a complete inability to read faces and understand what's going on around them. You can see that they're so retarded that they get the bright idea that it's just drug-related even though he was totally coherent before the head trauma.

It's also a clear lack of understanding of head and spinal trauma. It should have been clear the second they heard his head thud that they could have caused all kinds of nervous-system issues, yet, nearly 20 minutes pass without him moving his body and they can't put the pieces together.

"Bull Dyke in fla gets fired for being batch."

That's like a repeat of the UK cop who terrorized an autistic girl because the girl called her a lesbian.
http://twi...kad/status/1689622411702886400

The same cop was weeks later involved in an incident where she was swinging her baton at party-goers while her male counter-parts just sort of watched like, "Wth?"

Sam Hyde points out the dynamic at play there:
http://br....n-female-cops-mde-tv-IJAAl7sJA

Others have pointed out that this is symbolic of anarcho-tyranny. A cop like that has no physical power (e.g., grappling), so she has to immediately escalate to lethal force. The only people with whom she does not have to escalate to lethal force are people who are *already* compliant. This means that weakling officers (whether DEI hires or just weak) can only enforce the law upon people who respect the work of policing. These officers are physically unable to enforce the law upon people who are more violent (e.g., inner-city scholars). This means that these new weak/DEI police will only harass law-abiding citizens while avoiding inner-city scholars.

So you basically have an expanded Little-Stalin police force that is only there to discharge their resentment against those in society who are being conquered by the state's anarcho-tyranny. The double value of this to the Regime is that these types of weak officers will have more interactions with law-abiding citizens (e.g., White people), which decreases the criminal statistics of actual violent law-breakers (e.g., black people).

murder
rank Tue Feb 13 00:18:35 2024

Bullies become cops. Cops become bullies.

Police unions need to be busted up because their only job is to keep bad cops on the job. Police forces are little more than government sanction street gangs because bad apples can't be rooted out.

Rugian
rank Tue Feb 13 01:19:51 2024
What's the part of the video where the alleged abuse takes place?

Cherub Cow
rank Tue Feb 13 05:30:51 2024
"What's the part of the video where the alleged abuse takes place?"

The primary moment is at about 7:22 (link time-stamped):
http://youtu.be/6r3ORU6Lx-k?si=-TaltC7I-9X0FFY6&t=444

The police torpedo Anthony Silva's head into the concrete. You can even see that his spine is aligned directly with the pavement impact through his forehead. This breaks his neck and back and collapses his lungs (per family, which would likely be backed up by medical reports http://www...equences-of-a-police-encounter ). Directly afterwards, you can hear Silva say, "I'm paralyzed." The officer responds, "You're not paralyzed. No, you're not. You can move your arms, I see your arms moving."

As explained in the video, when police have someone cuffed behind his or her back, control techniques have to account for the suspect's inability to brace his or her own fall. They failed to do this, even with Silva's resistance being incredibly minimal and having two officers on him. They clumsily attempted a takedown as punishment for light resistance (some bad cops do this specifically to punish a suspect for non-compliance), and they did the takedown directly into Silva's head instead of pushing him sideways.

The abuse then continues by them failing to assess that this may indeed be a spinal injury. They even blame him for him now being guilty of felony resistance. They put him in the recovery position for a moment (which is where they should have left him and applied spinal support to prevent further damage), but then they prop him up on the bench and let his neck flop around — even blaming him for losing neck control as him "[hitting]" the officer as his neck falls ( 11:40 ) — which likely further damaged his spine and neck.

In even *basic* EMS training (e.g., RedCross First Aid), you're taught not to move the back, neck, and spine until a spineboard stretcher arrives. Police receive this training, which means these police were incompetent or negligent.

And the above all happens in the first minutes (7:22 — 11:40). This punishment continues for another 20+ minutes, with the police repeatedly failing to assess that the loud thud from slamming Silva's forehead into the concrete was directly related to Silva's inability to move. They constantly mock him for not being able to move.

This is why one thing I've said a lot in these police-failure videos is that an important thing in the application of the continuum of force is constant re-assessment. E.g., if a suspect throws a strike, an officer uses the force necessary to overcome strikes and stop further aggression. But, immediately after subduing, control techniques re-set to the lowest level of force necessary (i.e., officers do not get further «carte blanche» to proceed as though strikes are continuing). This applies also to neutralizing threats and then proceeding immediately into medical care. This is an explicit part of continuum training: re-evaluating and being prepared to apply first-aid following any use of force.

There are obviously lots of hedge scenarios (e.g., suspect continuously re-initiates resistance), but this one was very clear: they struck Silva in the head, Silva stops moving and warns the police that he's experiencing a medical emergency, but police do not apply any first-aid.

[murder]: "Police forces are little more than government sanction street gangs because bad apples can't be rooted out."

This is not true.
"ACAB" is a lie and a self-fulfilling prophecy. I warned about this in the totalitarians threads. "ACAB" functions by intentionally making police-work unpalatable to the general public (e.g., "[I don't know how any good person could be a police officer right now! It must be that only bad people remain!]") This exact function was used by the Bolsheviks to replace their police forces with anarcho-tyranny apparatchiks. It functions like this:

1) Propagandize the public with worst-case scenarios as "common" among policing services ("ACAB")
2) Reduce funding for police forces, causing a mass-exodus of moral people who have been propagandized into believing that "ACAB" means that their very profession cannot be "moral"
3) After the mass-exodus, re-increase funding but specifically for departments and services which meet apparatchik criteria (e.g., DEI hires, resentful destroyer-classes)

Thus, the commie strategy becomes self-fulfilling: the police were *not* all "Bad"/"Bastards", but pretending that they were pushes out the good officers.

The reversal strategy applies in a virtuous society:

1) Show and promote good examples of policework (e.g., detective stories, Sherlock Holmes-style aptitudes, virtuous men overcoming the odds)
2) Increase funding for police forces, attracting virtuous people

Of course, the commies call this "copaganda", since their intention is the first strategy of system instability. Slavish people can only feel power in a dysfunctional society.

Cherub Cow
rank Wed Feb 14 08:09:34 2024
Pretty funny video:
http://twitter.com/9mm_smg/status/1757495280230961328

An Officer Hernandez in Okaloosa, Florida apparently believed that he was fired upon by a suppressed weapon (report: "However, there was no evidence found to support anything impacted Deputy Hernandez"), so he rolls around on the ground and then opens fire upon a suspect who is already cuffed in the back of Hernandez' squad SUV. The captive suspect was miraculously uninjured, despite describing glass falling around him and bullets wizzing overhead (WKRG article; February 12th/13th, 2024 https://ww...ter-officer-involved-shooting/ ).

Hilariously, they use this same claim which has become standard for poor police reactions:
"Though his actions were ultimately not warranted, we do believe he felt his life was in immediate peril and his response was based off the totality of circumstances surrounding this fear."

This is the kind of "lived experience" BS that the left pushes. The reality is that Hernandez was primed to think of suppressed weapons because there was talk of the suspect (possibly) owning a suppressed pistol. Hernandez himself never saw such a pistol, and the witness who claimed to have seen such a suppressor in a picture apparently wasn't even sure herself if that's what she had seen. So Hernandez gets to say that he "felt" he was in danger and that his reaction came from that [lived experience] (lulz).

Police did confirm that Hernandez violated excessive-force policy, so there will be some internal punishment, but the report also points out that the "suppressed pistol" was actually just the impact of an acorn falling from the tree above his squad SUV. XD XD

obaminated
rank Thu Feb 15 01:34:08 2024
Yeah that's bad.

murder
rank Thu Feb 15 01:41:55 2024

I'm wondering how this cop (Hernandez) thought the guy could possibly have a gun if he was already handcuffed and in the back of the cop car.

That shit is a clear sign of PTSD.

Habebe
rank Thu Feb 15 07:24:55 2024
Police unions need to be busted up-murder

I agree 110%

I'd go as far as saying public workers should not be permitted to have unions, too much power to abuse.

Cops also shouldn't be allowed to fundraise directly through arresting ppl and giving tickets, terrible incentives.

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Habebe rank	Mon Feb 12 04:27:20 2024 http://youtu.be/6r3ORU6Lx-k?si=qTDAvas8M945nvjU Listen,and US cops need to change something,they are, no million man marches (victim was white) But outside of middle eastern dictators torture squads, US cops are BRUTAL for no reason reason. I stay in my swamp and keep lawyers on stand-by, but still. Can we wonder why some people decide to shoot first? Not that I'm condoning that either.
murder rank	Mon Feb 12 04:42:13 2024 Where was that?
Habebe rank	Mon Feb 12 14:24:43 2024 I'll have to check the locale. http://youtube.com/shorts/HVROZSmz2js?si=C6kD4xRwHW07wlgT Bull Dyke in fla gets fired for being batch. Serves her right .
Rugian rank	Mon Feb 12 14:52:17 2024 Stanislaus County, NorCal.
Cherub Cow rank	Mon Feb 12 18:21:59 2024 The cops in the first video were impressively retarded and incompetent. That's a sebbish level of autism — just a complete inability to read faces and understand what's going on around them. You can see that they're so retarded that they get the bright idea that it's just drug-related even though he was totally coherent before the head trauma. It's also a clear lack of understanding of head and spinal trauma. It should have been clear the second they heard his head thud that they could have caused all kinds of nervous-system issues, yet, nearly 20 minutes pass without him moving his body and they can't put the pieces together. "Bull Dyke in fla gets fired for being batch." That's like a repeat of the UK cop who terrorized an autistic girl because the girl called her a lesbian. http://twi...kad/status/1689622411702886400 The same cop was weeks later involved in an incident where she was swinging her baton at party-goers while her male counter-parts just sort of watched like, "Wth?" Sam Hyde points out the dynamic at play there: http://br....n-female-cops-mde-tv-IJAAl7sJA Others have pointed out that this is symbolic of anarcho-tyranny. A cop like that has no physical power (e.g., grappling), so she has to immediately escalate to lethal force. The only people with whom she does not have to escalate to lethal force are people who are already compliant. This means that weakling officers (whether DEI hires or just weak) can only enforce the law upon people who respect the work of policing. These officers are physically unable to enforce the law upon people who are more violent (e.g., inner-city scholars). This means that these new weak/DEI police will only harass law-abiding citizens while avoiding inner-city scholars. So you basically have an expanded Little-Stalin police force that is only there to discharge their resentment against those in society who are being conquered by the state's anarcho-tyranny. The double value of this to the Regime is that these types of weak officers will have more interactions with law-abiding citizens (e.g., White people), which decreases the criminal statistics of actual violent law-breakers (e.g., black people).
murder rank	Tue Feb 13 00:18:35 2024 Bullies become cops. Cops become bullies. Police unions need to be busted up because their only job is to keep bad cops on the job. Police forces are little more than government sanction street gangs because bad apples can't be rooted out.
Rugian rank	Tue Feb 13 01:19:51 2024 What's the part of the video where the alleged abuse takes place?
Cherub Cow rank	Tue Feb 13 05:30:51 2024 "What's the part of the video where the alleged abuse takes place?" The primary moment is at about 7:22 (link time-stamped): http://youtu.be/6r3ORU6Lx-k?si=-TaltC7I-9X0FFY6&t=444 The police torpedo Anthony Silva's head into the concrete. You can even see that his spine is aligned directly with the pavement impact through his forehead. This breaks his neck and back and collapses his lungs (per family, which would likely be backed up by medical reports http://www...equences-of-a-police-encounter ). Directly afterwards, you can hear Silva say, "I'm paralyzed." The officer responds, "You're not paralyzed. No, you're not. You can move your arms, I see your arms moving." As explained in the video, when police have someone cuffed behind his or her back, control techniques have to account for the suspect's inability to brace his or her own fall. They failed to do this, even with Silva's resistance being incredibly minimal and having two officers on him. They clumsily attempted a takedown as punishment for light resistance (some bad cops do this specifically to punish a suspect for non-compliance), and they did the takedown directly into Silva's head instead of pushing him sideways. The abuse then continues by them failing to assess that this may indeed be a spinal injury. They even blame him for him now being guilty of felony resistance. They put him in the recovery position for a moment (which is where they should have left him and applied spinal support to prevent further damage), but then they prop him up on the bench and let his neck flop around — even blaming him for losing neck control as him "[hitting]" the officer as his neck falls ( 11:40 ) — which likely further damaged his spine and neck. In even basic EMS training (e.g., RedCross First Aid), you're taught not to move the back, neck, and spine until a spineboard stretcher arrives. Police receive this training, which means these police were incompetent or negligent. And the above all happens in the first minutes (7:22 — 11:40). This punishment continues for another 20+ minutes, with the police repeatedly failing to assess that the loud thud from slamming Silva's forehead into the concrete was directly related to Silva's inability to move. They constantly mock him for not being able to move. This is why one thing I've said a lot in these police-failure videos is that an important thing in the application of the continuum of force is constant re-assessment. E.g., if a suspect throws a strike, an officer uses the force necessary to overcome strikes and stop further aggression. But, immediately after subduing, control techniques re-set to the lowest level of force necessary (i.e., officers do not get further «carte blanche» to proceed as though strikes are continuing). This applies also to neutralizing threats and then proceeding immediately into medical care. This is an explicit part of continuum training: re-evaluating and being prepared to apply first-aid following any use of force. There are obviously lots of hedge scenarios (e.g., suspect continuously re-initiates resistance), but this one was very clear: they struck Silva in the head, Silva stops moving and warns the police that he's experiencing a medical emergency, but police do not apply any first-aid. [murder]: "Police forces are little more than government sanction street gangs because bad apples can't be rooted out." This is not true. "ACAB" is a lie and a self-fulfilling prophecy. I warned about this in the totalitarians threads. "ACAB" functions by intentionally making police-work unpalatable to the general public (e.g., "[I don't know how any good person could be a police officer right now! It must be that only bad people remain!]") This exact function was used by the Bolsheviks to replace their police forces with anarcho-tyranny apparatchiks. It functions like this: 1) Propagandize the public with worst-case scenarios as "common" among policing services ("ACAB") 2) Reduce funding for police forces, causing a mass-exodus of moral people who have been propagandized into believing that "ACAB" means that their very profession cannot be "moral" 3) After the mass-exodus, re-increase funding but specifically for departments and services which meet apparatchik criteria (e.g., DEI hires, resentful destroyer-classes) Thus, the commie strategy becomes self-fulfilling: the police were not all "Bad"/"Bastards", but pretending that they were pushes out the good officers. The reversal strategy applies in a virtuous society: 1) Show and promote good examples of policework (e.g., detective stories, Sherlock Holmes-style aptitudes, virtuous men overcoming the odds) 2) Increase funding for police forces, attracting virtuous people Of course, the commies call this "copaganda", since their intention is the first strategy of system instability. Slavish people can only feel power in a dysfunctional society.
Cherub Cow rank	Wed Feb 14 08:09:34 2024 Pretty funny video: http://twitter.com/9mm_smg/status/1757495280230961328 An Officer Hernandez in Okaloosa, Florida apparently believed that he was fired upon by a suppressed weapon (report: "However, there was no evidence found to support anything impacted Deputy Hernandez"), so he rolls around on the ground and then opens fire upon a suspect who is already cuffed in the back of Hernandez' squad SUV. The captive suspect was miraculously uninjured, despite describing glass falling around him and bullets wizzing overhead (WKRG article; February 12th/13th, 2024 https://ww...ter-officer-involved-shooting/ ). Hilariously, they use this same claim which has become standard for poor police reactions: "Though his actions were ultimately not warranted, we do believe he felt his life was in immediate peril and his response was based off the totality of circumstances surrounding this fear." This is the kind of "lived experience" BS that the left pushes. The reality is that Hernandez was primed to think of suppressed weapons because there was talk of the suspect (possibly) owning a suppressed pistol. Hernandez himself never saw such a pistol, and the witness who claimed to have seen such a suppressor in a picture apparently wasn't even sure herself if that's what she had seen. So Hernandez gets to say that he "felt" he was in danger and that his reaction came from that [lived experience] (lulz). Police did confirm that Hernandez violated excessive-force policy, so there will be some internal punishment, but the report also points out that the "suppressed pistol" was actually just the impact of an acorn falling from the tree above his squad SUV. XD XD
obaminated rank	Thu Feb 15 01:34:08 2024 Yeah that's bad.
murder rank	Thu Feb 15 01:41:55 2024 I'm wondering how this cop (Hernandez) thought the guy could possibly have a gun if he was already handcuffed and in the back of the cop car. That shit is a clear sign of PTSD.
Habebe rank	Thu Feb 15 07:24:55 2024 Police unions need to be busted up-murder I agree 110% I'd go as far as saying public workers should not be permitted to have unions, too much power to abuse. Cops also shouldn't be allowed to fundraise directly through arresting ppl and giving tickets, terrible incentives.
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