Utopia Talk / Politics / Fight the lifeguard nanny state

murder Member	Wed Feb 28 08:45:42 “We don’t need knee jerk reactions to a tragedy. We need common sense, not virtue signaling. I don’t want to live in or fund a nanny state,” -- some stupid MAGA bitch in Lauderdale-by-the-Sea, Florida http://wsv...th-of-7-year-old-indiana-girl/ In case you're wondering how stupid things can get ... they can get this stupid.
murder Member	Wed Feb 28 08:49:42 Short story: A 7 year old girl and her brother dug a pretty big hole in the sand on the beach, and it caved in on them. The girl died. This meeting was to consider adding lifeguards to the beach to keep things like this from happening ... since most people don't understand the dangers of cave-ins. Then Karen stepped up to the plate. There's a clip at the link and a reaction from one of the commissioners.
Paramount Member	Wed Feb 28 10:26:57 ” One of the first questions I asked was ‘Where is your sister?’” Why no one asked the question where their parents are? ” We need lifeguards,” said one man” Or, parents? ” At the Lauderdale-by-the-Sea beach where Sloan died, signs are posted alerting beachgoers that it has no lifeguards and to swim at their own risk” They can also put up signs that are warning people from digging holes. ”Dig hole at your own risk!” or ”Dig hole at the supervision of your mom!”
murder Member	Wed Feb 28 11:08:32 You absolutely need parents, but like I said, most people don't understand the danger of cave-ins. They don't understand how easily they can happen or how dangerous they are. "They can also put up signs that are warning people from digging holes." When the fuck was the last time you read a sign at the beach? If people stopped to read every sign they passed by, they wouldn't have time to do anything else.
Sam Adams Member	Wed Feb 28 13:03:35 "We don’t need knee jerk reactions to a tragedy." Sounds like a leftist justifying negros killing 1000s every year.
Forwyn Member	Wed Feb 28 22:00:39 A brief search shows Florida has 1,350mi of coastline. Should the state hire 10,000 full-time lifeguards to prevent a once/twice a year Darwin?
kargen Member	Thu Feb 29 17:05:54 when I go someplace new I read the posted signs. Often pays off. When you see a sign that says Poison Oak infests much of an area you know to keep your ass on the trail. When you see a sign that says area not stable and prone to avalanche you know don't ski there. When a sign says don't feed the bears you don't feed the bears. You should read the signs.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Fri Mar 01 06:17:28 Ok now it makes sense. Baywatch takes place in California. AKA Nannyfornia.
murder Member	Fri Mar 01 17:01:00 We should probably do away with Fire departments too, since we should all follow fire safety rules. "Should the state hire 10,000 full-time lifeguards to prevent a once/twice a year Darwin?" Due to the responses to this thread, I feel the need to point out that hiring lifeguards would not require the confiscation of any firearms.
kargen Member	Fri Mar 01 17:55:28 Well if people were only setting themselves on fire and it didn't spread, or if lightning sparks caused mounds of cotton candy instead of fire then maybe we wouldn't need so many firefighters. The hiring of lifeguards in that one area would cost on the low side $200,000. I'm guessing that means a tax increase or all kinds of fees to use the beach. People having to pay those additional taxes might be unable to purchase a firearm. What should have happened was awareness by adults at the beach. Not just the parents. You see a child doing something dangerous you say hey don't do that and if they don't stop you find the parents and tell them what could happen.
murder Member	Sat Mar 02 08:05:26 People don't know it's dangerous. That's why you need to make sure that someone is there that does know. I guess they can always do what poor and/or tightfisted right wing areas do ... and just hire volunteer lifeguards. I cannot tell you how many times I played on huge sand piles, not on the beach, but in construction sites near my home as a child. No one ever got hurt. No one ever thought anything of it. No one ever said "Hey those kids might be in danger!" Then again, if they weren't alarmed by us trying to mess with the actual construction equipment, I guess it's not surprising that no one worried about one of us getting buried under a mountain of sand.
murder Member	Sat Mar 02 08:09:11 There was also a 3 story burned out building we explorer on a few occasions. Come to think of it, adults used to behave like there was a surplus of kids. Maybe they just didn't like us very much. :o)
jergul large member	Sat Mar 02 14:48:57 Western child mortality fell dramatically in the early 70s because people started to give a shit about child safety. I guess you lived in a hold out enclave murder. That sounds more like my childhood than it should.
murder Member	Sat Mar 02 14:55:33 Caring about child safety didn't really become a thing in the US until at least the '80s. When I was a kid it was perfectly common to see a child (me for example) sitting on his/her dad's lap and "steering" the car in actual traffic. It's kind of a miracle that we didn't all die.
jergul large member	Sat Mar 02 14:58:45 I habitually rode loose in the back of a pickup with the dog. Happy days.
patom Member	Sat Mar 02 15:44:56 I died a couple of times as a kid in the 50's. Mom and Dad picked me up and told me to walk it off.
patom Member	Sat Mar 02 15:48:25 Safety equipment? No helmets, pads, seat belts were only in race cars. NASCAR drivers wore Tee shirs or whatever made them comfortable.
kargen Member	Sat Mar 02 16:16:28 "People don't know it's dangerous." That is why they need a sign.
murder Member	Sat Mar 02 17:11:39 "I habitually rode loose in the back of a pickup with the dog. Happy days." I did that a few times. And the back of the station wagon ... with and without the rear facing seat ... with the tailgate and the giant open window. What could go wrong? And my first school bus was a van with bench seats. The driver would pick up ~ 20 kids, and not a seat belt inside. That thing was like a clown car. One kid would go in the passenger side seat and control the radio. One would sit on the center console facing the rear. Every bench had at least one too many kid. And the last few kids to get on would ... 1. Sit on the right rear wheel well. 2. Sit on the floor right in front of the sliding door. 3. And the last kid to get on, and I think the biggest kid in the group, would just stand hunched over until we made it to school. But it was OK because he kept from falling over by holding onto the back of the passenger side seat, so it was all very safe. We had no regard for human life back then. :o)
murder Member	Sat Mar 02 17:22:36 "I died a couple of times as a kid in the 50's. Mom and Dad picked me up and told me to walk it off." It's funny because it's almost true. Thinking back, the lack of concern is concerning. "Safety equipment? No helmets, pads, seat belts were only in race cars. NASCAR drivers wore Tee shirs or whatever made them comfortable." Evel Knievel was a star. The dumbass tried to "jump" across a canyon on a homemade rocket. It sounded reasonable. :o)
murder Member	Sat Mar 02 17:23:39 "That is why they need a sign." And if the parent doesn't read the sign ... a child dying is a fair price to pay.
kargen Member	Sat Mar 02 18:38:25 No it isn't a fair price but life isn't fair. Some children have parents that look out for them and some do not. That this story is in the news shows how rare this occurrence really is. Six children have died from gun wounds in Chicago already this year and it hardly makes the news at all. Is it fair that someone who never goes to the beach pays a tax that goes to keeping the beach a bit safer?
murder Member	Sat Mar 02 19:14:17 "Is it fair that someone who never goes to the beach pays a tax that goes to keeping the beach a bit safer?" Yes, because tourism props up the local economy, so everyone benefits from it. You know ... like public schools. "Six children have died from gun wounds in Chicago already this year and it hardly makes the news at all." Lots of kids have died from gun violence all over the US so far this year. Why the obsession with Chicago?
kargen Member	Sat Mar 02 21:44:39 Lots of kids have died only proves my point stronger. We know about Chicago because it does get a little coverage in the news cycle. Not near what this one death got but some. The other cities it seems are getting no coverage. If we need a team of lifeguards for something that happens nation wide less than twice a year then surely we need cops on each and every street corner. Tourism props up the local economy through sales tax. The tourists are going to come whether there is a life guard there or not. Give them a sign or two to read and call it good. Maybe hotels on or near the beach could provide a beach guidelines pamphlet when people check in. No need to spend another quarter million of the tax payers funds for something that occurs so rarely. Most the money would go to administration anyway and a few years down the line due to budget cuts they fire the lifeguards but somehow manage to keep the admins.
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