Utopia Talk / Politics / Immigrants in the U.S. create jobs

murder Member	Sun Mar 03 19:43:18 Study: Immigrants in the U.S. are more likely to start firms, create jobs Compared to native-born citizens, immigrants are more frequently involved in founding companies at all scales. Immigrants to the U.S. are more likely to start businesses than native-born Americans are, according to a study that takes a wide-ranging look at registered businesses across the country. Co-authored by an MIT economist, the study finds that, per capita, immigrants are about 80 percent more likely to found a firm, compared to U.S.-born citizens. Those firms also have about 1 percent more employees than those founded by U.S. natives, on average. “Immigrants, relative to natives and relative to their share of the population, found more firms of every size,” says Pierre Azoulay, an economist at the MIT Sloan School of Management and co-author of a published paper detailing the study’s results. Taking firm creation into account, the results indicate that immigration to the U.S. is associated with a net gain in job availability, contrary to the common perception that immigrants fill jobs that U.S.-born workers would otherwise have. “The findings suggest that immigrants act more as ‘job creators’ than ‘job takers’ and that non-U.S. born founders play outsized roles in U.S. high-growth entrepreneurship,” the authors write in the paper. The paper, “Immigration and Entrepreneurship in the United States,” appears in the spring issue of American Economic Review: Insights. The authors are Azoulay, who is the International Programs Professor of Management at MIT Sloan; Benjamin Jones, the Gordon and Llura Gund Professor of Entrepreneurship and a professor of strategy at Northwestern University’s Kellogg School of Management; J. Daniel Kim PhD ’20, an assistant professor of management at the University of Pennsylvania’s Wharton School; and Javier Miranda, a principal economist at the U.S. Census Bureau. Three scales of firms To conduct the study, the scholars examined three types of data sources. To begin with, the researchers used U.S. Census Bureau data and tax records for all new firms founded in the U.S. from 2005 through 2010, a total of 1.02 million businesses. This allowed them to study firm creation and job growth in those companies over a five-year period. Of course, many U.S. firms were founded earlier than 2005. To analyze those firms and their founders, the research team examined the U.S. Census Bureau’s Survey of Business Owners from 2012, a periodic survey with data covering 200,000 businesses and including data about the owners. This allowed the scholars to expand the study’s time period and include many larger firms. However, many of the largest companies in the U.S. do not respond to the Survey of Business Owners. For this reason, the research team also analyzed the 2017 Fortune 500, identifying the citizenship and immigration status of founders of 449 of those companies. Ultimately, the study showed that 0.83 percent of immigrants to the U.S. founded a firm from 2005 to 2010, while 0.46 percent of native-born U.S. citizens founded a firm in that time. That disparity — the 80 percent higher rate of firm founding — also held up among firms founded before 2005. “Immigrants found more firms in every bucket,” Azoulay says. “They create more firms, they create more small firms, they create more medium-size firms, they create more large firms.” He adds: “It’s not the case that [immigrants] only create growth-oriented startups. It’s not the case they just create subsistence businesses. They create all kinds of businesses, and they create a lot of them.” Azoulay emphasizes that the study, focused on the empirical facts about business creation, does not explain why immigrants tend to found firms more often. It may be that some immigrants, finding it hard to access the U.S. workforce as employees, may start service-type businesses instead. Alternately, some immigrants to the U.S. arrive as students, stay in the country, and found high-growth, high-tech startup firms. The breadth of the overall trend suggests there are likely multiple such scenarios in play at once. “There can’t be just one explanation,” Azoulay says. “There is probably a different story for the firms that eventually grow to be large, and for the firms that start small and stay small.” Facts for a larger discussion As the researchers note, defining whether a firm’s founders are immigrants is not always a straightforward matter. Some firms have multiple founders, representing a mix of immigrants and native-born people. To address this issue, the scholars tested multiple ways of classifying firm data. In one iteration of the analysis, they allocated credit for firm founding proportionately among founders. In another iteration, they only credited a firm as being founded by an immigrant if the “lead” founder was an immigrant. Still another round of analysis defined a firm as being immigrant-founded if any member of the founding team was an immigrant. All these methodologies yielded the same large-scale trend. Indeed, as the authors write in the paper, “Immigrants appear to play a relatively strong role in expanding labor demand relative to labor supply, compared to the native-born population.” Azoulay notes that debates over immigration policy may have many dimensions and are not always going to revolve around the economics. Still, when it comes to that economic impact, and specifically to the issue of job creation and availability, Azoulay hopes the study will provide some baseline data points for public consumption. “Any discussion needs to start from a common set of facts,” Azoulay says. http://new...y-start-firms-create-jobs-0509
kargen Member	Sun Mar 03 21:56:06 How do the numbers change if you put illegal in front of immigrants? Very few people have a problem with legal immigration into our country.
Cherub Cow Member	Sun Mar 03 22:54:16 "Study finds that after allowing an invading force to sack your civilization and destroy your society, they will take over positions of power in your society and produce jobs for other invaders." — Infinite immigration propaganda
Forwyn Member	Mon Mar 04 02:41:47 Can't wait for another 5 million taco trucks with 6 cousins working
jergul large member	Mon Mar 04 05:05:53 The numbers are statistically irrelevant. That less than 1% of immigrants may start a company in a given period does not really count for or against mass migration.
patom Member	Mon Mar 04 05:09:20 kargan, CC and Forwyn, Your hero's grandfather was an immigrant running from the Draft in Germany who came here and started several businesses. Brothels.
murder Member	Mon Mar 04 08:19:36 "How do the numbers change if you put illegal in front of immigrants?" Well I'd imagine that the number of businesses established would drop significantly. "Very few people have a problem with legal immigration into our country." Why do you say this when you know it's not true? You want to pretend that it is? Cool ... then lets stop the "invasion" at our southern border by increasing the number of work visas to meet the demand for them. But we both know if all these millions of immigrants were arriving with work visas, the exact same group of concerned citizens would be bitching about the number of visas being granted.
murder Member	Mon Mar 04 08:20:57 "Can't wait for another 5 million taco trucks with 6 cousins working" Just because they are selling tacos doesn't mean that you have to eat tacos. It's a choice. And if they can earn an honest living selling tacos, good for them.
murder Member	Mon Mar 04 08:25:06 "The numbers are statistically irrelevant. That less than 1% of immigrants may start a company in a given period does not really count for or against mass migration." The US is a corporation. The only thing that matters is market share and quarter on quarter growth. If they are contributing to our GDP, then they are as American as apple pie and should be welcomed with open arms. Except we're racists.
murder Member	Mon Mar 04 08:28:40 "kargan, CC and Forwyn, Your hero's grandfather was an immigrant running from the Draft in Germany who came here and started several businesses. Brothels." They don't care. They know who he is. The only thing that matters is who he hates. Forget shooting a guy on 5th avenue ... Trump could nuke all of Texas and MAGA would cheer as long as he said he was targeting the brown people invading the US.
Cherub Cow Member	Mon Mar 04 09:37:28 [patom]: "Your hero's grandfather was an immigrant running from the Draft in Germany who came here and started several businesses" Lots of rather faggoty assumptions there. [murder (left-wing dogma bot; death cultist)]: "They don't care. They know who he is. The only thing that matters is who he hates." You're projecting again, gay-fag. It is the left who largely votes by opposition, which is why the death cult has you voting for a dementia/Parkinson's diaper-shitting pedophile puppet whose stated goal is a global totalitarian state ("global sustainability")... because "orange man bad". That is, you do not care that you're voting for a pedophile who raped his own daughter and sold as much of the West to China as he could because that globalist pedophile traitor is not the orange man. I, on the other hand, tend to vote for the candidate whose principles most closely align with my own. Defensive voting is for mental weaklings such as tumblefag, patom, and yourself. These United States were meant to be resistant to Bolshevik scum by virtue of supporting liberty. That is a positive vision for society whose principles you are incapable of, hence, you vote by antithesis — you vote from your only remaining imperative: resentment for your betters. [murder (left-wing dogma bot; death cultist)]: "then lets stop the "invasion" at our southern border by increasing the number of work visas to meet the demand for them." Here comes murder with that leftist fucktard logic of, "[Then let's make murder legal so that no one is guilty of it.]" No. How about murder is illegal and anyone who behaves against this absolute should be denied power within this society. No one who thinks it appropriate to invade this nation illegally should know liberty or the Declared promises of this Republic. The franchise should be secured "to ourselves and our Posterity" as intended in the Constitution — not secured to our enemies. Murder, the left-wing dogma bot and slavish death cultist, would have us secure life not upon ourselves but upon our enemies, because he, being poor, has no life within himself and himself cannot survive without stealing from his betters. Hence, he empathizes with parasites, worms, and the annihilators who would send him to these in his grave rather than ever seeking out greatness and empathizing with heroic Providence. So close the border, reduce the franchise, restore National Origins, and provide mass-deportations for those infiltrating "Dreamers" who are waiting for treasonous destroyers such as murder to say in absurd doublethink that those "Dreamers" have been breaking the law for so long that they are no longer criminals. If these criminals and infiltrators are such essential job-creators, then surely murder would join them when they are deported to whatever shithole they came from. Surely their ability to create jobs does not hinge upon a society which breaks down every barrier to entrepreneurship for invaders while tightening the noose around its sovereigns! Surely murder is not aligning with corporate destroyers looking for endlessly cheap laborers!
murder Member	Mon Mar 04 09:43:56 "I, on the other hand, tend to vote for the candidate whose principles most closely align with my own." Yes, and those principles are white nationalism and patriarchy.
williamthebastard Member	Mon Mar 04 09:48:41 "Have you seen the way they stick feathers in their hair? They stick them in at a completely different angle to the way we stick feathers in our hair! They dont even use the same kinds of feathers as us! they use wrong feathers! It's just wrong! You cant live with animals like that! All you can do is attack them and cause them suffering and misery!" -Maga tribalists
murder Member	Mon Mar 04 09:48:42 "Here comes murder with that leftist fucktard logic of, "[Then let's make murder legal so that no one is guilty of it.]"" As I was saying ... "Hence, he empathizes with parasites, worms, and the annihilators ..." Correction: Job creators. Check the OP.
murder Member	Mon Mar 04 09:49:17 CC exists just to prove my point. :o)
Dukhat Member	Mon Mar 04 10:00:30 It's not just the content of Cherub's writing that's bad, it's also the style and the fact that she's so uneducated the very grammar and word choice is nauseatingly idiotic and incomplete.
Cherub Cow Member	Mon Mar 04 10:09:38 [Dukhat (Projection Bot)]: "It's not just the content of Cherub's writing that's bad, it's also the style and the fact that she's so uneducated the very grammar and word choice is nauseatingly idiotic and incomplete." Dukhat once again projecting. It's too bad he's so retarded, but at least he recognizes that he's "uneducated" and "nauseatingly idiotic". It must hurt for such a low-IQ cretin to see me effortlessly write things that he will never understand. [murder (left-wing dogma bot; death cultist)]: "Yes, and those principles are white nationalism and patriarchy." lol, no Try citing my actual words and you won't have to make so many straw-man arguments, faggot. You still need to learn to square that you too would be deported under my ideal society. That is, why wouldn't I just defer to your "patriarchy"? [murder (left-wing dogma bot; death cultist)]: "Correction: Job creators. Check the OP." No, you brain-damaged commie, I already addressed your lie in that respect: [CC]: "Surely their ability to create jobs does not hinge upon a society which breaks down every barrier to entrepreneurship for invaders while tightening the noose around its sovereigns! Surely murder is not aligning with corporate destroyers looking for endlessly cheap laborers!" In other words, since you're too low-IQ to understand: The direct result of open-borders annihilation ideologues such as yourself is that there will be "more jobs" (in the liar's sense) but all jobs will be based on subjugation and parasitism. In order for a taco truck to be lucrative, there has to be an undermining of labor through slave conditions and 20 people living illegally in one house to save on rent. This entire "creation" of jobs logic requires a devaluing of the entire market. The Chinese tried this same thing. You can have a completely empty restaurant in Beijing with a full staff because one person's job is to get a fork and another person's job is to get a spoon. By the dimwitted logic of murder, this specialization is "job creation". But no, this is collectivist self-destruction. It divides the internal competence of individuals in order to enable the centralized totalitarian state, since if no one is wholly competent (e.g., no one can get an entire set of silverware much less more) and no one can network without the state's permission, then everyone is atomized into worthless slaves. This is the ideal condition of the global totalitarian oligarchs whose open-borders policies you champion here. They want the cheapest and most numerous slaves fighting to reach the absolute bottom — totally devaluing all labor for the fiefdoms of the oligarchs. It's a simple division of quality versus quantity. Collectivists and utilitarians think that a thousand sparrows are more valuable than one eagle. This is always their downfall.
williamthebastard Member	Mon Mar 04 10:46:36 "It's not just the content of Cherub's writing that's bad, it's also the style and the fact that she's so uneducated the very grammar and word choice is nauseatingly idiotic and incomplete." My glasses would crack if I read any of her vomit, but your quote reminded me of that time long, long ago when she got furious that I called her a right-winger. I suppose the people she usually talks to are so far gone in deep nazism and lizard people-mania that they call her a leftist
williamthebastard Member	Mon Mar 04 11:01:51 "She only wants to shoot starving people in the face instead of torturing them first like us alpha men 'cos she's a woman and women are always softy liberals at heart hur hur hur"
kargen Member	Mon Mar 04 17:54:43 Patom my heroes were Mike Schmidt and John Kruk. I gave up having heroes somewhere in high school.
Cherub Cow Member	Mon Mar 04 20:30:24 [williamthecoward]: "My glasses would crack if I read any of her vomit" Notice williamthecoward just casually revealing (again) that he's willfully illiterate. This is not the own that he thinks it is. He claims he's a PhD student, but he cannot read. Keep in mind that as a PhD student you have to read (often) dense books very quickly while grading undergrad papers, organizing materials, and explaining the professor's material in small groups — a large amount of reading and communicating. In this situation, your *in*ability to process information as a PhD student means that your undergrad students will escalate their issues directly to the professor (bypassing the PhD student) and thus the PhD student's P.I. will consider that PhD student to be an unreliable paper-grader and probably a moron. williamthecoward cannot demonstrate an ability to read even in *UP*, he frequently fails at reading comprehension, he lies, distorts, and deceives, and he constantly reminds us of how lazy and ineffective he is. It is thus mostly likely that *if* he were ever a PhD student that his P.I. considered him an intellectual weakling and more work than he was worth before forcing him out with a master's degree and otherwise hoping never to see him again. This means that williamthecoward is most likely a fraud. [williamthecoward]: "that time long, long ago when she got furious that I called her a right-winger" Notice that williamthecoward is again using that disingenuous UP device of referring back to occasions through the lens of a poor memory, allowing him to straw-man the actual events. This allows cowards such as wtb, seb, and jergul to outright lie about the past. His claim of me "[getting] furious" after being called a "right-winger" is likely another fabrication and is likely not supported by any evidence. I have for a long time considered myself somewhere around right-wing libertarian on the political compass (probably as far back as 1998), and I frequently refer to the issues facing "the right" as issues similarly faced by myself, though I simultaneously recognize that those labels often change too much to be useful, since the Regime will brand anyone who disagrees as "right". So, most likely williamthecoward is lying again. Most likely, what *actually* happened is that he called me something else entirely, such as a "conspiracy theorist" (he has done this many times), and I had to explain that that term is a thought-terminating cliché that reveals that he is in a cult. Or, he called me an "ultra-far-right MAGA Republican", "far-right", or something so completely disingenuous that it only showed that he was sampling from the Regime's vocabulary of thought reform. But whatever real event he is referring to, you can be assured that he is lying about it. This is because williamthecoward is wholly without principles. He likely could not even read this, being such a mental weakling that a few paragraphs — even when written directly in response *to* him — is simply beyond the grasp of his waning intellect.
Paramount Member	Wed Mar 06 09:57:14 They call him traitor but all Biden is doing is creating more jobs. Insane indeed. Four more years! They also say Biden is wearing diapers. But he is just old, that’s why he walks like that. It’s not because of poop in the diapers, but because of old age. See video at link. REPORT: Joe Biden has secretly flown 320,000 illegal immigrants from Latin American airports to 43 U.S. cities. Treason. It gets even worse. The U.S. Customs and Border Protection is refusing to identify which airports they are being shipped to. “The program at the center of the FOIA litigation is perhaps the most enigmatic and least-known of the Biden administration’s uses of the CBP One cellphone scheduling app, even though it is responsible for almost invisibly importing by air 320,000 aliens with no legal right to enter the United States since it got underway in late 2022,” said journalist Todd Bensman (@BensmanTodd) “Under these legally dubious parole programs, aliens who cannot legally enter the country use the CBP One app to apply for travel authorization and temporary humanitarian release from those airports. The parole program allows for two-year periods of legal status during which adults are eligible for work authorization.” Insane. http://x.com/collinrugg/status/1765017799553159258
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