Utopia Talk / Politics / shit about P01135809 +his shit assocs#44

tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Mar 21 18:32:08 mega megalomaniac: " TRUTH SOCIAL IS MY VOICE, AND THE REAL VOICE OF AMERICA!!! MAGA2024!!! " & more 'breaking news' i guess... " JUST OUT THAT CROOKED JOE BIDEN, THE WORST AND MOST CORRUPT PRESIDENT IN THE HISTORY OF THE USA, IS LEADING (AND LEAKING!) THE WEAPONIZATION OF GOVERNMENT AGAINST HIS POLITICAL OPPONENT, ME! CROOKED JOE IS A THREAT TO DEMOCRACY! " citing nothing as always
Rugian Member	Fri Mar 22 10:24:06 Truth Social is going officially going public in a deal that's likely to raise billions of dollars. Aw yeah *fires up every stonk-investing app he has*
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Mar 22 11:35:55 ^guaranteed shenanigans on that ---- amongst shitbags all-caps yells: "THROUGH HARD WORK, TALENT, AND LUCK [& lots of fraud], I CURRENTLY HAVE ALMOST FIVE HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS IN CASH, A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF WHICH I INTENDED TO USE IN MY CAMPAIGN FOR PRESIDENT..." "... A CORRUPT, TRUMP HATING JUDGE, WHO CAME UP WITH A CRAZY, OUT OF THIN AIR AWARD, IN ORDER TO DAMAGE ME POLITICALLY, AND NOT ALLOW ME TO USE ANY OF THE LARGE AMOUNT OF CASH I HAVE BUILT UP OVER THE YEARS, THROUGH HARD WORK, INSIGHT, INSTINCT, AND DILIGENCE[& lots of fraud], ON MY POLITICAL CAMPAIGN FOR PRESIDENT..." so obvious lying fuckhead is telling his dumb cult he planned to spend tons of money on the campaign... that's why he's taken tens of millions of campaign donations to pay his legal fees so far... gotta use campaign donations on himself, so he can use his own money on the campaign... yeah, makes total sense if you don't think about it & not like in prior campaigns he also didn't just funnel money to himself even w/o all the legal fees... anyway, yet another obvious & purposeful lie directed right to his dumb fucking cultists who he expects to believe it we love the guy who deliberately & obviously lies specifically to deceive us!!! (VERY FUCKING OFTEN) cult (also, i'm sure he's lying about having $500 million cash (though maybe the false claim will get him in trouble since he's complaining he can't pay) & obviously lying about the judge coming up w/ the figure 'out of thin air'... an impossibility, there's no punitive damages)
Forwyn Member	Fri Mar 22 12:11:16 Lol CNN now speculating $18 million Mar-a-Lago is worth hundreds of millions, as they salivate at the thought of it being seized.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Mar 22 12:25:36 & what does Trump claim it's worth? has your side heard ANY FUCKING DEFENSE other than 'Mar-a-lago is not $18 million'? (which is zero defense, but granted the only thing Trump blasted out multiple times a day)
Forwyn Member	Fri Mar 22 12:46:36 Sure. Here's a McMansion in Newport Beach sitting on less than half an acre listed $2 million higher. http://www...m=referral&utm_source=txtshare
Forwyn Member	Fri Mar 22 12:47:06 You're fucking out of your MIND if you think it's only 18. But magically worth 200+ when it gets listed.
Rugian Member	Fri Mar 22 12:49:11 Have YOU heard any defense of the $450 million judgement that isn't totally insane? You know, the judgement that was pursued by an AG who ran on a platform of "I'm gonna get Trump on something" (totally normal non-banana republic behavior), and has obsessively investigated Trump since gaining office before coming up with a novel use of a law to prosecute him in a manner never done in NY before? Not to mention that it was a victimless "crime" - trying to sell someone that your asset is worth as much as possible - that is common in the R/E world, and in which the banks themselves have said they wouldn't have changed any of their loan terms or psyment provisions as a result of his puffery, and by the way they did their own appraisals so they had an independent valuation of the properties anyway? How about the calculation that Engoron - a judge who has CLEARLY had it out for Trump - used to come up with the judgement amount, that has no connection whatspever to how damages from real estate-related torts are normally carried out, resulting in a fine so blatantly inflated that it credibly represents a violation of the Eighth Amendment? An amount that's clearly designed to say fuck you to Trump the presidential candidate, not Trump the real estate investor? Are you seriously okay with ANY of this?
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Mar 22 12:52:09 a portion of the fraud ruling that seems useful: " ... Trump Park Avenue ----------------- When valuing unsold units in Trump Park Avenue for Donald Trump’s SFCs, McConney used offering plan prices from an internal Trump International Realty spreadsheet, while wholly disregarding “current market values” listed on the exact same spreadsheet. Moreover, McConney “intentionally removed” the current market values column from the spreadsheet before forwarding it to Donald Bender at Mazars, despite McConney’s knowledge and representation that he understood that the SFCs had to reflect the estimated current value. PX- 793; TT 629-631, 706-708. McConney was aware that as of September 2011, there were 12 rent stabilized apartments at Trump Park Avenue. PX 3041; TT 709-711. Despite this knowledge, McConney, in consultation with Allen Weisselberg, intentionally valued the rent stabilized apartments not just as if they were unregulated, but at an aspirational offering price, resulting in overvaluations of as much as 700%. TT 711-712; NYSCEF Doc. No. 1531 at 23. When Patrick Birney helped prepare the SFCs supporting data, neither Weisselberg nor McConney ever informed him of this gross overvaluation, or of any appraisals of the rent- stabilized units at Trump Park Avenue. TT 1282-1283. Seven Springs ------------- From 2011-2014, when valuing a plot of land upon which seven mansions could be built in Bedford, McConney relied on valuations provided by Eric Trump, who advised McConney to value the seven-mansion development at $161 million on the 2012 SFC. This valuation assumed a host of future events that had not—and as hindsight has shown, would not—occur, including that the Trump Organization had received legal permission to develop the lots, that the mansions were already built and available for sale, and that there would be no construction or development costs associated with building the mansions. PX 719; TT 713-718. Eric Trump further advised McConney to use these values again in 2013 and 2014. TT 713-720; PX 719, 793, 1075. Eric Trump was aware that the values he was providing would be used on his father’s SFCs. PX 1075; TT 3315-3316, 3339. Upon realizing that building the seven mansions would be neither feasible nor profitable, the Trump Organization, through outside counsel Sheri Dillon, commissioned an appraisal from Cushman & Wakefield to determine the value of the development rights for the plot of land upon which the Trump Organization had previously considered building the seven mansions. In August 2013, Eric Trump advised McConney to continue to use the undiscounted value of $161 million for the seven-mansion development, despite having received an initial estimate of approximately $5.5 million from Cushman & Wakefield. PX 908, 3296; TT 3342-3347. On September 8, 2014, David McArdle, of Cushman & Wakefield, advised Eric Trump verbally that he had appraised the seven-mansion development at $14 million. Notwithstanding, a mere four days later, Eric Trump advised McConney to continue using the $161 million value. PX 169, 181; TT 1996-1997, 3353-3354. Briarcliff ----------- In August 2013, Eric Trump retained David McArdle of Cushman & Wakefield to appraise the value of developing 71 condominium units on undeveloped land in Briarcliff, New York. PX 157, 3197; TT 1930, 3368-3371. Despite having retained Cushman & Wakefield to value the 71 units, in a September 25, 2013 phone call Eric Trump advised McConney to value the 71 units at over $101 million, based on comparable sales in the area. PX 719; TT 738-745. Less than one month later, by October 16, 2013, Eric Trump was aware that McArdle had determined the value of the 71-unit development to be $45 million. PX 1465, 3201; TT 3374-3375. Notwithstanding that the 2014 SFC had not yet been submitted, Eric Trump failed to advise McConney that the appraised value was less than half of what he had reported the value to be. TT 738-744. Each year from 2015 to 2018, Eric Trump advised McConney to leave the $101 million as is, despite his knowledge of the much lower $45 million appraisal. TT 744-747. Moreover, by October 16, 2013, Eric Trump was aware that the Trump Organization only had the right to build 31, not 71, units. PX 3261; TT 2695-2702. Notwithstanding, the SFCs for 2013-2018 continued to reflect that the Trump Organization had the right to build 71 units. PX 742, 758, 774; TT 2701-2702. Mar-a-Lago ---------------- In 1995, Donald Trump signed a “Deed of Conservation and Preservation” in which he gave up the right to use Mar-a-Lago for any purpose other than as a social club (the “1995 Deed”). In 2002, Donald Trump granted a conservation easement to the National Trust for Historic Preservation and signed a deed in which, in addition to conveying the rights to develop or use Mar-a-Lago for any purpose other than a social club, the Deed further “limits changes to the Property including, without limitation, the division or subdivision of the Property for any purpose, including use as single family homes, the interior renovation of the mansion, which may be necessary and desirable for the sale of the property as a single family residential estate, the construction of new buildings and the obstruction of open vistas.” NYSCEF Doc. No. 1531 at 25-26 (emphasis added). In exchange for executing the 2002 Deed, in which he gave away, in perpetuity, the right to develop or use the property as a single-family residence, Donald Trump paid significantly lower property taxes on Mar-a-Lago. PX 1730; TT 3533-3535. McConney had in his possession, since at least 2011, a copy of the 2002 Deed, restricting the use of Mar-a-Lago as a single-family residence. TT 773-775; PX 1013; DX 360. McConney was also aware, when he prepared the SFCs supporting data, that the entire basis of the valuations of Mar-a-Lago rested on the premise that it could be sold as a private residence to an individual. Each and every year, he valued Mar-a-Lago as if it could be sold as a single-family residence, notwithstanding the deeded prohibitions against such use in perpetuity. TT 759, 775. Further, when Patrick Birney took over for McConney in preparing the valuations for the SFCs, Weisselberg and McConney both concealed from Birney the 1995 and 2002 deeds. TT 1258- 1259. When valuing Mar-a-Lago on the SFCs from 2016-2021, McConney and Weisselberg selected comparables for Birney to use that were exclusively for private residences. TT 1248- 1256, 1268-1282; see, e.g., PX 3026. There is no legal gray area surrounding the permanent nature of the deed restrictions. PX 1013. Accordingly, there can be no mistake that Donald Trump’s valuation of Mar-a-Lago from 2011- 2021 was fraudulent. TNGC-LA ------------- McConney was aware that Cushman and Wakefield had appraised the property known as Trump National Golf Club LA (“TNGCLA”) and valued the golf club portion at $16 million and the entire property at just over $82 million as of March 2015. Notwithstanding, in the 2015 SFC, McConney valued the golf club at $56.6 million and the entire property at just over $140 million. PX 1464, 731. Aberdeen ------------- Aberdeen is the name of a golf course and adjacent land that the Trump Organization owns in Aberdeen, Scotland. The value assigned to Aberdeen was comprised of two parts: a value for the golf course and a value for the development of the non-golf course property, the latter of which is the focus here. Developing any of the non-golf course property required that the local Scottish authorities approve any proposed plans. Despite receiving permission to develop only 500 homes as year-round private residences on the non-golf course property, the 2014-2018 SFCs valued Aberdeen not only as if permission existed to develop 2500 private year-round residences, which it did not, but also as if those residences had already been built. The valuations also fail to account for any development (i.e., construction) costs associated with making the hypothetical residences a reality. PX 719, 731, 742, 758, 774. Despite receiving a July 2017 appraisal by Ryden LLP valuing the development profit of private homes at Aberdeen at a maximum of £33,296 per home, from 2017-2018 the Trump Organization valued the development of private homes at £83,164 per home, allegedly based on a September 18, 2014 email from an unidentified “Registered Valuer for Ryden LLP,” which more than doubles the actual appraisal amount. PX 774, 1450. In 2019, the Trump Organization began valuing each home at £106,969, more than triple the last appraised value, and the SFCs supporting data represented that the Trump Organization had permission to build 2035 private residences, when it still only had permission for 500. PX 843. In 2020 and 2021, the Trump Organization valued each home at £68,781 and represented that it had permission to build 1200 private residences, when it still only had permission for 500. PX 1352, PX 3041 at ¶ 219 ... " (doesn't include all properties... clipped off some longer ones) what defense have you heard for any of that? i'll bet nothing... just 'mar-a-lago isn't $18 million' "$18 million" doesn't even exist in the doc (by search feature, i haven't read it all), but definitely & obviously isn't the basis for the verdict ruling: http://sta...-New-York-civil-fraud-case.pdf
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Mar 22 12:54:58 "Sure. Here's a McMansion in Newport Beach sitting on less than half an acre listed $2 million higher." a residence... Mar-a-lago is a social club commercial property, not a residence... anyone in real estate would know you wouldn't use residential properties as comparables (which is the only thing cited in the ruling info above, not $18 million... if anyone says '$18 million' in defending Trump they are immediately exposed as a fool)
Rugian Member	Fri Mar 22 13:02:09 "anyone in real estate" Yes, including the lenders who gave him money, and who did their own due diligence prior to advancing him any funds, including procuring appraisals, title searches, entity checks, etc... ...do you even understand how much heavy lifting a lender before they'll agree to close on a CRE-backed loan? And they're the ones flat out telling us that they were perfectly happy with the terms they gave Trump, and they suffered ZERO damages from those transactions? Explain to me how that warrants a fine rivaling the GDP of a small country?
Rugian Member	Fri Mar 22 13:03:58 Answer me this honestly. If the person being sued wasn't Donald Trump, former and possibly future Republican President of the United States, do you think the fines and punishments would be anywhere close to where they are now?
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Mar 22 13:05:37 "trying to sell someone that your asset is worth as much as possible - that is common in the R/E world" except they are deliberately lying... see 'Seven Springs'... they get a $14 million appraisal, & instead go with $161 million (which is knowingly based on things that don't even exist) 11x the value is not just salesmanship afaik the damages valued based on rates he would've gotten w/o sweetheart deals over bullshit figures (definitely not 'out of thin air')... if appeals courts lower it, i don't care your side pretending no fraud occurred, or that it's fine to knowingly lie to apparently any degree is fucked up (we aren't talking 10%-30%... 1100% seems a bit much, no?)... just like your automatic full defense of any of his actions like overturning election w/ bullshit lies & purposely trying to go around the courts or keeping any classified docs he wants (which he still insists is the law)
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Mar 22 13:07:52 i'm headed out... i'm not going to evaluating the damages figure, way too much work & beyond my knowledge fraud occurred... deliberate & persistent
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Mar 22 13:10:02 also, if the intended purpose wasn't to defraud the banks, why did it happen?
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Mar 22 15:26:20 just from skimming more: " Doral ----- At the same time the Trump Organization was soliciting terms from Deutsche Bank’s Private Wealth Management Division for the Doral loan, it was shopping for loans from other commercial real estate lenders, including Deutsche Bank’s own commercial real estate group. In November 2011, Deutsche Bank’s commercial real estate group offered the Trump Organization a $130 million loan at LIBOR + 8%, with a LIBOR floor of 2 – a minimum 10% interest rate. PX 369; NYSCEF No. 501 at ¶ 575. Instead, Donald Trump agreed to a full-recourse loan (i.e., with an unconditional personal guarantee) with the much more favorable terms of an initial interest rate of LIBOR + 2.25% during a renovation period and LIBOR + 2% after renovations. PX 293. Donald Trump’s personal guarantee for the Doral loan required him to certify the truth and accuracy of his SFC and to maintain $50 million in unencumbered liquidity and a minimum net worth of $2.5 billion. PX 1303, 3041 at ¶¶ 484, 486-489; TT 5429-5430. The guarantee further required him to submit an annual compliance certificate and an updated SFC to confirm his compliance with the loan covenants, the failure of which could have triggered a default. TT 1022-1023, 1027-1028, 1052-1054, 5337; PX 1303; DX 212 " one clear motive for the massive deliberate fraud & some indication of how damages were determined (not the only relevant loan obviously)
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Mar 22 16:05:54 childish shit: " Arthur Engoron is a Rogue Judge who was intimidated by the big, nasty, and ugly mouth of Leticia James, considered by many to be the WORST Attorney General in the U.S. She is a Low IQ individual who campaigned for Governor, using my name, and got TROUNCED. She and her PUPPET Engoron, who valued Mar-a-Lago at $18,000,000 when it is worth 50 to 100 times that amount, have destroyed all business prospects for New York State, that is already dying, or dead. But have no fear —When I become the 47th President, we will MAKE NEW YORK GREAT AGAIN! " that's from 2 hrs ago, but he has posts like that daily for months... again always "Mar-a-lago / $18 million", never any defense on any other property & that's not even a defense on Mar-a-lago... the fraud is over -his- valuation... & he was valuing as if residential, just like he & his sons still do & as all of them DEFINITELY know is wrong to do
murder Member	Fri Mar 22 21:49:58 If Trump had quit NY like he said he was going to, he wouldn't be up to his neck like he is right now.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Mar 23 19:07:14 pathetic slug: " At what point are the actions of a sitting President, using LAWFARE against his opponent for purposes of Election Interference, considered ILLEGAL? I believe, as do various highly respected legal scholars, that Crooked Joe Biden has long since crossed over that very sacred threshold!!! " name those highly respected legal scholars... zero indication Biden did anything (whereas lots of indication Trump broke laws... complete proof & confessions in fact)
murder Member	Sat Mar 23 23:22:46 "name those highly respected legal scholars..." Jonathan Turley and Alan Dershowitz. They are various. :o)
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sun Mar 24 02:03:56 they love defending Trump but I very much doubt they believe Biden has committed some crime over Trump’s prosecutions (although Trumpers do get nuttier by the day, so maybe I’m wrong)
Forwyn Member	Sun Mar 24 11:22:21 "if the intended purpose wasn't to defraud the banks, why did it happen?" Who was defrauded? "Mar-a-lago is a social club commercial property, not a residence... anyone in real estate would know you wouldn't use residential properties as comparables" Correct. Commercial properties typically have higher potential revenue streams, and thus are valued higher. lmfao
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sun Mar 24 11:36:08 "Who was defrauded?" the banks... do you think it accidentally occurred on every property by massive amounts? where just coincidentally having a high wealth gets substantially lower interest rates? "Commercial properties typically have higher potential revenue streams, and thus are valued higher. lmfao " extremely obviously not the case here or fuckhead liar would be using such & extremely obviously arguing it in court instead of 'why were you valuing as if residential?'... 'um, i dunno'... you've done no work at all here, just throwing out shit here's more stuff in ruling for you to ignore: " ... Flores was also a conduit with a firm, Marvin F. Poer & Company (“Poer”), that handled property tax assessment appeals in Florida for the Trump Organization. TT 2762; PX 3211. In 2020, the property appraiser determined the market value of Doral to be $78 million, a fact of which, emails reveal, Flores was acutely aware. PX 3209, PX 3211. Notwithstanding, the supporting data for the 2020 and 2021 SFCs value Doral at $345 million and $297 million, respectively. PX 857, 1501. Flores denied any recollection of this, despite the emails that demonstrate his active participation. TT 2772-2773. In 2020, the Trump Organization hired Poer to file an appeal of the 2020 tax assessment of Mar- a-Lago, claiming that the assessed, taxed value of $26.6 million was too high. PX 3170, 3214, 3041 at ¶ 199. As part of the appeal, the Trump Organization explicitly stated that the property was commercial, and not residential. PX 3170. Two months after filing the appeal, the Trump Organization withdrew it, stating that it agreed with the $26.6 million determination of value. PX 3170. 3214; TT 2774- 2777. Flores conceded that that “determination was based on Mar-a- Lago being categorized as a commercial property.” TT 2776-2777. When presented with additional emails and documents found in Flores’ possession that unquestionably reveal that he absolutely understood that Mar-a-Lago was exclusively a commercial, not residential, property, Flores continued to deny any recollection, stating “[t]hat’s what the email says. I don’t recall.” TT 2777-2781; PX 1382. Notwithstanding, every SFC from 2011-2021 valued Mar-a-Lago not only as if it could be sold as a private residence, but also as if there were no deed restrictions burdening it; the SFCs’ values for that decade range from $405 million to $739 million. ... "
Rugian Member	Sun Mar 24 11:41:50 The banks that have claimed that they haven't suffered any losses, those banks?
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sun Mar 24 11:52:35 assuming they even did (only heard Trump say so), he still owes money to the banks so they have reason not to anger them also, saw this while briefly looking (testimony from Deutsche bank guy): "Before approving the credit facility, the Private Wealth Management Division consulted Deutsche Bank’s Valuation Services Group about market conditions to arrive at a conservative estimate of the value of the commercial real estate should a need arise to liquidate during “bad market conditions.” TT 1013-1016. In so doing, the Valuation Services Group applied a 50% “haircut” to the valuations presented by the client, which Haigh affirmed was the “standardized number for commercial real assets.”6 TT 1016, 1041." 50% won't cut it w/ Trump's bullshit... ------ was it fraud or wasn't it? please give an innocent explanation for 10x values? filings they are certifying there is no expectation whatsoever for good faith numbers? what the fuck is the purpose of the filings? why is it mandatory to provide them and certify to them?
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sun Mar 24 12:04:30 feel free to read the "Claudia Markarian" section on pg 20 (you wont) " Claudia Markarian, previously Claudia Mouradian, was an underwriter at Zurich Insurance from 2010-2020... Markarian recalled that when reviewing the Trump financials for her underwriting responsibilities, she was prohibited from retaining a copy of any financials, and she was only permitted to view them at Trump Tower with Allen Weisselberg or Jeffrey McConney, or both in the room at all times. Markarian testified that this was a “rare requirement by a customer.” PX 3324 at 17-18, 24-25, 58-59 During these on-site reviews at the Trump Organization, which occurred in late 2018 and early 2020, Markarian was shown the 2018 and 2019 SFCs, respectively, which listed as assets real estate holdings with valuations that Allen Weisselberg represented to Markarian had been determined each year by an outside professional appraisal firm. PX 1561, 1552, 3324 at 25-32. Markarian considered Weisselberg’s representation, which she recorded in her contemporaneous notes, to be favorable and an indication that the valuations were reliable. PX 1561, 1552, 3324 at 51-75. Notwithstanding Weisselberg’s explicit representation to Markarian, the Trump Organization never retained a professional appraisal firm to prepare any of the property valuations for the 2018 and 2019 SFCs. TT 952-955 ... Markarian testified that she “relied on what [Weisselberg] said” about the valuations being determined by professional appraisers when she made her recommendation that the surety program be renewed in 2019 and 2020...Markarian testified that at the time, she had no reason to doubt that Weisselberg was being truthful and honest in his representations and that she accepted at face value his representations about the values contained in the SFCs.PX 3324 at 28-53 ... When presented with Weisselberg’s testimony that confirmed that the Trump Organization did not engage any professional appraisers to perform valuations of the properties in the SFCs, Markarian testified that Weisselberg’s misrepresentations would have been “material” to her analysis, as “without the third party it – it means that there’s –it could possibly be less reliance on the numbers that are presented to me.” PX 3324 at 52-54. Markarian further testified that Weisselberg’s misrepresentations about the cash on hand, and specifically misrepresenting Donald Trump’s partnership interest in Vornado as cash available to him, would also have been “material” in her analysis to approve the renewals. *** Markarian stated that because the Trump Organization is a private company, not a publicly traded company, there is very little that underwriters can do to learn about its financial condition, other than to rely on the financial documents that the client provides to them. PX 3324 at 57. She explained that because of that, “it’s important to know that our customers are being truthful to us. If they’re not giving us true information or accurate information, that greatly impacts our underwriting decisions.” *** " deliberate intentional fraud for decades
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sun Mar 24 12:39:38 4 hrs ago... from shitbag " The Judge in the A.G. case FRAUDULENTLY UNDERVALUED MAR-A-LAGO AT $18,000,000 IN ORDER TO CREATE HIS FAKE NARRATIVE. HE IS GROSSSLY INCOMPETENT AND CORRUPT! I SHOULD HAVE ZERO FINE. " i'm not cherrypicking... there's been ZERO defense ever offered for his valuations, no property ever mentioned except Mar-a-lago, & the red herring of "$18 million"... over dozens of posts saying the same thing hence why you people also have no defense on the fraud although to be fair Trump's lawyers also had no defense... that's why he lost on summary judgment... all the arguments are 'well, there was no harm' (which is false, but also beside the point... if he actually screwed the banks over, he'd have been -criminally- charged, they could've criminally done so even in this case)
Rugian Member	Sun Mar 24 12:49:27 Oh ffs. ---- Real estate insiders question how Trump fraud judge valued Mar-a-Lago By Matt Egan, CNN Updated 9:13 PM EDT, Tue October 3, 2023 A New York judge ruled last week that former President Donald Trump inflated the value of his Mar-a-Lago estate by an eye-popping 2,300%. That finding, part of shocking ruling that found Trump and his adult sons liable for fraud, was just one of multiple examples in which Judge Arthur Engoron found the Trump real estate empire to have been grossly inflated in value. But the Mar-a-Lago finding in particular is raising eyebrows among real estate and legal experts because of the metric Judge Engoron relied on: the county tax assessor’s appraisal value. “From 2011-2021, the Palm Beach County Assessor appraised the market value of Mar-a-Lago at between $18 million and $27.6 million,” Engoron wrote in his ruling. The judge noted Trump valued Mar-a-Lago at between $426.5 million and $612 million, “an overvaluation of at least 2,300%, compared to the assessor’s appraisal.” But it’s widely known that the tax assessor valuation is typically, though not always, less than what a property would command on the open market. In other words, it’s not an apples-to-apples comparison. “Appraisal values and market values are just not the same thing. It’s a well-known fact,” said Eli Beracha, chair of the school of real estate at Florida International University. “That’s especially true for properties that are unique. And it’s very easy to argue this is a unique property.” Dina Goldentayer, executive director of sales at Douglas Elliman in South Florida, said in her experience in the ultra-luxury marketplace the tax assessor’s valuation isn’t considered when trying to value a property. “He wouldn’t make a very good realtor,” Goldentayer said of the judge. “It’s so widely known that it’s not an accurate determination of market value.” Goldentayer added, “If there is a ranking as to what would have the lowest valuation, it’s the tax assessor’s office, followed by Zillow and then the realtor’s valuation is the highest.” It’s not correct to assume that a tax assessment and market value are the same thing, according to Jonathan Miller, president and CEO of Miller Samuel Inc., a real estate appraisal company in New York City. “They can be, in some markets they are the same thing, but in most others they are not,” Miller said. Melissa Cintron, partner in the insurance defense and corporate and real estate practice groups at Harrington Ocko & Monk, said it’s “not contestable” that Mar-a-Lago is worth more than $28 million based on improvements and a market analysis. Of course, just because the tax assessment value used by the judge may have lowballed the value of Mar-a-Lago, doesn’t necessarily mean Trump used a fair valuation for Mar-a-Lago. That point is up for debate. “It is certainly not clear what the value is,” said Miller. “The test is what the market would suss out for the property. The challenge is that isn’t a single-family house.” http://www...ud-judge-mar-a-lago/index.html
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sun Mar 24 18:25:20 "Real estate insiders question how Trump fraud judge valued Mar-a-Lago" so some reporter bought into Trump's bullshit nowhere in the ruling is "Mar-a-lago is $18 million, not $x (you people weirdly never even cite what Trump claims to 'defend' his valuation), thus 'guilty'" let's never mention Mar-a-lago again, & proceed w/ trying to explain how Trump didn't commit fraud see Seven Springs property (omg, a property that's not Mar-a-lago), extremely straight forward... they got it appraised for it's actual sale value, w/ Eric working the ref wanting a high value, they got a figure of $14 million... yet instead claim $161 million (not a typo, not 16, but 161), which is known to be based on 7 mansions being built & other things which didn't exist at all & still don't or see his Trump Tower apartment... weirdly just tripling the square feet then determining the value entirely off $ per sq feet (w/ generous number for that as well) ----- are you claiming Trump would get 0.0 benefit in terms from massively overstating wealth? if so, why did they bother doing it? if so, what the fuck is the point of banks requiring the statements & why do they specifically need to certify to them? also, note what i'm sure you didn't read about how it's hard for underwriters to evaluate a private company's condition: "Markarian stated that because the Trump Organization is a private company, not a publicly traded company, there is very little that underwriters can do to learn about its financial condition, other than to rely on the financial documents that the client provides to them"
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sun Mar 24 18:29:37 (also i did note awhile back about the tax assessor value not being the sale value for Mar-a-lago... but that issue doesn't apply to ANY OTHER PROPERTY mentioned... probably why Trump NEVER MENTIONS ANY OTHER PROPERTY) & $18 million (nor $29 million) is not what makes him 'guilty', nor involved in the damage calculation, & Mar-a-lago is not central AT ALL plus at the end of your own article "Of course, just because the tax assessment value used by the judge may have lowballed the value of Mar-a-Lago, doesn’t necessarily mean Trump used a fair valuation for Mar-a-Lago. "
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sun Mar 24 18:33:55 2 hrs ago: " Don’t Like the way FoxNews is reporting the Letitia James Election Interference Scam. They don’t want to discuss how ridiculous the Corrupt Judge’s fine of 450 Million Dollars is. It should be $ZERO. The only fraud was the valuation of Mar-a-Lago at $18,000,000 by the Crooked Judge in order to help his already fully debunked narrative. They should pay me damages for what they have done, and ultimately will. THESE ARE NOT THE PEOPLE THAT MADE AMERICA GREAT, THESE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE DESTROYING AMERICA! " just coincidence he cited only 'Mar-a-lago/$18 million' again for the nth time straight i'm sure should your candidate for president not be able to articulate his case any better? or have any accuracy at all?? or on any issue at all?... should you always have to reinterpret everything he says?
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sun Mar 24 18:37:01 he's never once said 'the FL tax assessor value isn't the sale value' not that Mar-a-lago is the focus nor solves any problem at all but minimally he could say that tiny little bit of info given how many times he brings up Mar-a-lago, but nope, just falsely claiming the judge valued Mar-a-lago at $18 million & pretending that's the whole case instead of basically none of it
jergul large member	Mon Mar 25 10:48:56 175 million seems more like an appropriate inconvenience. Raising bonds is not supposed to be easy. Not for king, not for knave.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Mar 25 11:58:59 yeah, fine by me... his cult only finds him a better president when charged w/ crimes he offers no defense for, so taking his property would just radicalize them more -------- 1 hr ago obvious fucking liar: " Judge Engoron and Letitia James should be forced to explain why he ruled that Mar-a-Lago was worth $18,000,000 when, in fact, it is worth from 50 to 100 times that amount. How did the Attorney General of the State of New York force this Corrupt Judge to do that in order to help her narrative - AND WHY? " a) he didn't rule that b) it's TOTALLY FUCKING OBVIOUS where the figure came from (which isn't even in the ruling) c) Mar-a-lago is NOT the focus of the case d) by god this piece of shit is so incredibly unfit for office!!!!... if he -actually- is unaware where that figure came from, even w/ sitting in the court room & having extreme interest in the case, he is a 100% complete moron... if not, he's a 100% fucking liar... take your pick but him mentioning 'Mar-a-lago/18 million' & only that, 100+ times sure worked... even his defenders here can't mention anything else
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Mar 25 12:02:04 3 hrs ago: " People must continue to speak of, and remember, that the Engoron number of $450,000,000 for doing absolutely NOTHING WRONG is a big part of the crime being perpetrated against me by Crooked Joe Biden and his political Hacks and Thugs. Engoron’s fraudulent valuation of Mar-a-Lago for $18,000,000, when it is worth 50 to 100 times that amount, is another piece of the Election Interference HOAX. It’s all a giant and totally illegal Witch Hunt against Biden’s Political Opponent! " i think he's accelerating his 'Mar-a-lago/18 million' chant... maybe the effect was showing signs of wearing off (also note he's claiming Mar-a-lago is 0.9 to 1.8 Billion in value... who else agrees...)
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Mar 25 12:11:50 Trump at presser: after his bullshit blaming of Biden for all his prosecutions & amongst his claims of things that wouldn't have happened if he was president is: "you wouldn't have inflation if i was president" it's global... but somehow he would've stopped it here... how? shut the fuck up, trust dear leader now him being shocked they 'raided' Mar-a-lago... sure he corruptly lied to a subpoena & was on video having the boxes moved & hidden, very much indicating he could no longer be trusted in further talks... but how could they possibly turn to a search warrant (the incredibly clearly only possible way to get them back)
Rugian Member	Mon Mar 25 17:40:02 Did you just completely miss the part of Engoron's ruling where he literally cites the $18mm number in support of his conclusion that Mar-a-Lago is overvalued? If he didn't think the appraised value was indicative of actual market value, then why reference it at all? He even goes on to compare the Trump's stated market value to appraised value, claiming (while using some sort of idiot's math) that Trump's numbers represented a, quote, "overvaluation of at least 2,300%, compared to the assessor's appraisal." Yes, at no point does Engoron explicitly say "I formally conclude that this property is worth exactly $18,000,000.00," but he clearly believed that it pointed in the direction of what the actual value was. Yet here you are, devoting multiple posts to calling Trump totally off base because he said that Engoron valued it at $18mm, even though the ruling does substantially lean in that direction, and you even (falsely) accuse a CNN reporter of all people of buying into Trump's bullshit, even though you later note that that same reporter felt compelled to say "yeah Trump's valuation might still be bullshit"...unbelievable. You are an exhausting person my friend.
Rugian Member	Mon Mar 25 17:48:52 Anyway, time to officially file this under tweets that didn't age well: http://twi...t%2F2403072016000%2Fframe.html Is this how a professional state attorney general is supposed to act? By openly gloating about how she finally managed to scalp the political opponent who she had been leading a witch hunt against for the better part of a decade? Our rule of law is literally fucked if this is the standard you are prepared to accept in the name of punishing people that you don't like.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Mar 25 19:11:41 i noted awhile ago the tax assessor issue back when speculating maybe the Trump team purposely didn't correct it to have one flaw in the case for Trump to harp on (as by god, he's done relentlessly... though NEVER mentioning 'tax assessor') can you acknowledge the case is not about Mar-a-lago? are you even hearing this? or has Trump saying it 1000 times made you unable to notice anything else? also i posted a section from the ruling on Mar-a-lago above... it mentions nothing about $18 million or 2,300%, it talks of how their valuations ignored all the deed restrictions but as i've also said repeatedly, Mar-a-lago NOT being $18 Million makes Trump 'innocent' exactly 0% offer up ANY defense on ANY OTHER property (not that this solves his Mar-a-lago valuation)
Rugian Member	Mon Mar 25 19:24:27 "also i posted a section from the ruling on Mar-a-lago above... it mentions nothing about $18 million or 2,300%, it talks of how their valuations ignored all the deed restrictions" You do realize that Engoron entered his summary judgement all the way back in last September, right? http://www...23991865-trump-ny-fraud-ruling Page 26 of 35, to save you the time. "can you acknowledge the case is not about Mar-a-lago?" I know *exactly* what this case is about...and it's not about bringing down a speculative real estate investor who inflated his SoFAs, but about bringing down a once and future POTUS in a state that's dominated by his political enemies.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Mar 25 21:56:06 yes, where it again notes their disregarding of deed restrictions show me the defense EVER pointing out the tax assessor value is not meant to be the property value the judge isn't responsible to do independent research, he goes by what's presented & given the damages ruling doesn't seem to mention it, maybe it was resolved between it doesn't exonerate Trump at all... it's important to bring up (& they didn't for some reason), but doesn't affect any of the other properties nor make Trump's valuation not grossly inflated (as they admit ignoring all the significant deed restrictions) ------------------------ as to Letitia James, i don't approve of the unprofessional gloating although shocked that you would put "Our rule of law is literally fucked if this is the standard you are prepared to accept" when Trump has been completely unprofessional publicly daily for 8 years (including about James, repeatedly calling her racist & "Peekaboo James" which i don't even understand, but presumably must be some 1950's reference insult... certainly not professionalism) also, his CONSTANT "Mar-a-lago is not $18 million!!!!!!" (over 100 times i bet, heard it 4x today) while NEVER ONCE explaining 'the tax assessor value is not meant to be the property value'... what mentally competent professional would do this?
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Mar 25 21:58:37 ...and of course, NEVER EVER offering ANY defense of any of the other property shenanigans (as you also continue to dodge)
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Mar 25 22:15:02 do you actually believe Trump, of all people, would never deliberately mislead about his wealth for gain? do you actually believe there should be no limit to the amount of lying one does to banks to get favorable loan terms? (given so far, you're offering nothing to justify -his- valuations) do you believe if you get ticketed for parking in front of a hydrant that there should be no penalty if there's no fire? he's guilty of fraud... in every aspect of his life for the entirety of his life i'll accept maybe the damages are too high (though not for his life of fraud & damage to the country)... i'm not going to try to work all the math on all the loans & whatever else to argue it, i don't care about the math figure
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Mar 26 10:19:18 "I LOVE TRUTH SOCIAL, I LOVE THE TRUTH!" ~ habitual liar & fraud to the core
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Mar 26 14:04:16 fuckhead: "I’m not running to terminate the ACA, AS CROOKED JOE BUDEN DISINFORMATES AND MISINFORMATES ALL THE TIME..." uhh... then he continues on claiming he will make the ACA (Obamacare) "MUCH BETTER, STRONGER, AND FAR LESS EXPENSIVE" as he has said for years... with NO DETAILS EVER as usual completely & obviously empty promises with no thought ever put into them as he doesn't know shit about shit... in particular i'm certain he couldn't even explain what Obamacare does, even in simple terms
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Mar 26 14:11:10 he's also hawking Bibles again... just $60 http://twi...sts/status/1772658279908253974 top FAQ question: " Is this Bible officially endorsed by President Trump? Yes, this is the only Bible endorsed by President Trump! " ...all other Bibles are shit!
murder Member	Tue Mar 26 16:36:25 These bibles have the deluxe version of 2 Corinthians.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Mar 26 18:57:36 well Trump's stock in his counterfeit Twitter is worth 5+ billion... " Trump Media generated just $3.4 million of revenue through the first nine months of last year, according to filings. The company lost $49 million over that span. And yet the market is valuing Trump Media at approximately $11 billion. " nothing culty/fraudulent going on there... he's not allowed to immediately sell all stock... unless the board of his loyalists give him permission... presumably he dumps all post haste ...& he'll still make his cultists (& foolish RNC donors) pay all his legal bills
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Mar 26 21:10:22 " Wow! Ronna McDaniel got fired by Fake News NBC. She only lasted two days, and this after McDaniel went out of her way to say what they wanted to hear. It leaves her in a very strange place, it’s called NEVER NEVERLAND, and it’s not a place you want to be. These Radical Left Lunatics are CRAZY, and the top people at NBC ARE WEAK. They were BROKEN and EMBARRASSED by LOW RATINGS, HIGHLY OVERPAID, “TALENT.” BRING BACK FREE AND FAIR PRESS - MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN 2024! " ~ guy who fired Ronna McDaniel from the RNC
murder Member	Wed Mar 27 06:08:47 Ronna lasted .2 Scaramuccis. It's good when bad things happen to bad people.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Mar 27 21:42:48 snippet from upcoming Larry David interview: http://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1773176881753260508 he calls Trump: -a little baby -sociopath -insane -such a sick man facts... and extraordinarily obvious ones
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Mar 29 12:08:19 Trump (of course) now smearing the judge of the next trial (hush money)... including the judge's daughter by name & photo... & claiming she posted a photo of him behind bars, which is actually from a Twitter account that almost certainly isn't hers (as he's (completely inappropriately) done before)... a Twitter account made a day after Breitbart had posted an article about her saying she deleted her Twitter (she had just changed handle) clearly someone else then grabbed it totally fucked up shit... as always...
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Mar 30 22:08:17 " Aside from being disgraceful and insulting to Christians, declaring a trans day of visibility on Easter Sunday is just *weird.* The White House should apologize. Then Biden should fire whoever is responsible. " ~ JD Vance (a US Senator... & Trump loyalist) it's been on Mar 31 since 2009... takes 10 secs to determine...
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sun Mar 31 13:04:51 the standard totally normal holiday message: " HAPPY EASTER TO ALL, INCLUDING CROOKED AND CORRUPT PROSECUTORS AND JUDGES THAT ARE DOING EVERYTHING POSSIBLE TO INTERFERE WITH THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION OF 2024, AND PUT ME IN PRISON, INCLUDING THOSE MANY PEOPLE THAT I COMPLETELY & TOTALLY DESPISE BECAUSE THEY WANT TO DESTROY AMERICA, A NOW FAILING NATION, LIKE “DERANGED” JACK SMITH, WHO IS EVIL AND “SICK,” MRS. FANI “FAUNI” WADE, WHO SAID SHE HARDLY KNEW THE “SPECIAL” PROSECUTOR, ONLY TO FIND THAT HE SPENT YEARS “LOVING” HER, LONG BEFORE THE GEORGIA PERSECUTION OF PRESIDENT TRUMP BEGAN (AND THEREBY MAKING THE CASE AGAINST ME NULL, VOID, AND ILLEGAL!), AND LAZY ON VIOLENT CRIME ALVIN BRAGG WHO, WITH CROOKED JOE’S DOJ THUGS, UNFAIRLY WORKING IN THE D.A.’s OFFICE, ILLEGALLY INDICTED ME ON A CASE HE NEVER WANTED TO BRING AND VIRTUALLY ALL LEGAL SCHOLARS SAY IS A CASE THAT SHOULD NOT BE BROUGHT, IS BREAKING THE LAW IN DOING SO (POMERANTZ!), WAS TURNED DOWN BY ALL OTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT AUTHORITIES, AND IS NOT A CRIME. HAPPY EASTER EVERYONE! " http://tru...Trump/posts/112191452263257064 to the cult, absolutely nothing weird at all
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sun Mar 31 13:21:46 he also re-posted an article: "The Crucifixion of Donald Trump" (which he first posted on Good Friday) ...in case his hawking $60 bibles wasn't blasphemous enough
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Apr 01 19:06:05 not sure how anyone is not embarrassed to support this moron child: " One of the worst Senators in the United States Senate is, without question, Bill Cassidy, A TOTAL FLAKE, Republican though he may be. He campaigned in the Great State of Louisiana on TRUMP, TRUMP, TRUMP, and was absolutely thrilled when he was able to get my very important Endorsement. His advertisements were all about “TRUMP,” and our relationship, which basically didn’t exist in that I did not know him well. In any event, he easily won Re-Election. Cassidy is a total “stiff,” but Louisiana didn’t need him to protect them, because they had ME, 100%! Nevertheless, when the Democrats’ Impeachment Hoax started, this Lamebrain Senator actually voted against me. He thought it was so “cool,” until he got home, and was literally pelted with everything that could be used for such an inglorious happening, especially words, with lots of foul language thrown in... I’ve been too busy beating up the Communists, Fascists, and Lunatics who have weaponized our Government against Crooked Joe Biden’s Political Opponent, ME, to think much about him, but this is not someone you want to be in a foxhole with - Very disloyal and not very smart! He wanted to run for Governor, but I wouldn’t give him my Endorsement, I liked Jeff Landry much more. Also, he doesn’t mind the Migrant Invasion currently taking place, which is destroying our Country. The good news is the people of Louisiana know what I’ve done for them, including Hospitals and everything else during COVID, and getting massive Refineries approved and built, after waiting for decades, almost instantaneously. Bill Cassidy is now shunned in his own State as a disloyal lightweight, and it’s a beautiful thing to watch. THANK YOU LOUISIANA! "
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Apr 03 14:11:06 the top two articles on mega-malignant-narcissist's feed are about (a few) House Republicans wanting to rename DC's airport after Trump some cultists prostrating themselves for favor w/ a stupid bill that will never pass
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Apr 03 17:35:20 the judge in the docs case is buying into the notion the Presidential Records Act may let Trump take any or all docs he wants a fucking idiotic belief, given no way anyone would intend that, & if it was so ambiguous that it -could- be read that way, there would be clamoring from all sides to change it (instead of the zero effort that exists), given there's no way anyone anywhere at any point in time could ever think that makes sense Trump's method of repeating bullshit dozens/hundreds of times over months & months causing a significant portion of the population (let's call them gullible fools) to start believing it possibly infected her too whether the judge corrupt or incompetent remains unclear (she's inexperienced so not ruling out incompetent)... multiple court experts have noted her odd rulings (w/ one noting she fucked up a case unrelated to Trump thus why could just be incompetent)
Habebe Member	Wed Apr 03 20:55:40 "Wed Apr 03 14:11:06 the top two articles on mega-malignant-narcissist's feed are about (a few) House Republicans wanting to rename DC's airport after Trump" Eeewww! Who wants to have something from DC named after them? To anyone who hasn't at leaast travled through DC, its the crotch pit of the country.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Apr 04 11:38:38 " Deranged “Special” Counsel Jack Smith, who has a long record of failure as a prosecutor, including a unanimous decision against him in the U.S. Supreme Court, should be sanctioned or censured for the way he is attacking a highly respected Judge, Aileen Cannon, who is presiding over his FAKE Documents Hoax case in Florida. He is a lowlife who is nasty, rude, and condescending, and obviously trying to “play the ref.”... " yes, how dare he try to "play the ref" (the "highly respected" Judge)... by attacking her... & i guess Trump is "playing the ref" of all the other judges that he declares corrupt regularly based on nothing & attacks their families etc? (never addressing the actual issues of any case)
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Apr 04 11:45:05 ...also, the "highly respected" Judge was also already unanimously overturned just in this case... & will be again if she buys his PRA bullshit (& that's assuming he's not just lying about the Supreme Court unanimously overturning something of Smith's... he has a habit of just adding "unanimous" w/ no basis)
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Apr 05 12:14:00 incredibly obviously unfit traitor guy: " Rebecca Lavrez, also known as the “J6 Praying Grandma,” has been unfairly targeted by Crooked Joe Biden’s DOJ, and now faces up to 1 YEAR in prison for peacefully walking around the Capitol, and praying for our Failing Nation on January 6th! Rebecca is a 72-year-old Grandmother and Small Business Owner from Colorado, and now she is one of Joe Biden’s J6 HOSTAGES!!! ... " she hasn't been behind bars, she's not behind bars now, thus not even close to being a "HOSTAGE" (also 1 year is the max sentence, not likely to get it, possibly gets no prison time)
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Apr 05 16:07:22 Marjorie Taylor Greene: " God is sending America strong signs to tell us to repent. Earthquakes and eclipses and many more things to come. I pray that our country listens [pray hands] " a post like that should have you immediately removed from office
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Apr 05 16:08:50 ...also anyone who doesn't have any idea what to try when their internet stops working
murder Member	Fri Apr 05 16:36:03 Have you tried calling up your provider and bitching at them? :o)
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Apr 08 19:12:14 demented megalomaniac toddler: " I blame myself for Lindsey Graham, because the only reason he won in the Great State of South Carolina is because I Endorsed him! " poor Lindsey... he toadies so much, but forgets it has to be 100% all the time, never can have your own thoughts
murder Member	Tue Apr 09 09:31:53 Lindsey always comes around. He just can't quit Trump.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Apr 09 11:42:45 or maybe he'll snap, probably no one w/ more reason to, plus he gets emotional quick Trump gave out his phone number publicly which must've been a major hassle & he now gets booed at Trump events despite all the kneeling he also had that tortured reaction on Jan 6th, nearly in tears wanting to support Trump's treason but painfully noting he asked the Trump campaign to show him the 1,000s of underage or felon fraud voters they were claiming & they could only show one (& those obvious lies should be a big fucking deal but aren't for some reason) Lindsey was back kneeling in days like the rest of them but now he had the gall to say R's should keep pushing for federal abortion restrictions when Trump doesn't want to (so of course he must be attacked by the toddler dictator) Trump decides all... deal w/ it, worm
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Apr 10 00:48:21 total fucking idiot: " KILL FISA, IT WAS ILLEGALLY USED AGAINST ME, AND MANY OTHERS. THEY SPIED ON MY CAMPAIGN!!! DJT " the same false bullshit he's been spouting for ~6 years... it was used on nobody Carter Page (& definitely not to spy on his campaign) ...though i don't doubt the total fucking idiot has no understanding of any of it (thus just on its own, like sooo many things, showing him completely unfit for office)
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Apr 10 12:24:20 Trump CFO Weaselberg headed back to prison for 5 months for lying about Trump's knowledge of the fraudulent property valuations (in a plea deal) odd to commit perjury when doing nothing wrong...
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Apr 10 13:55:22 well fucking idiot cultist congressmen followed the fucking idiot leader "19 Republicans voted to kill a rule to take up the FISA bill after Trump urged them to detail it" & Marjorie on TV also (completely falsely) claiming it was used to spy on Trump... (& Matt Gaetz tweeting doing so as Trump said so, not as ANY good or true reason at all) such fucking idiocy... & tremendous future idiocy if fools put the total fucking idiot, who spawns more idiots into power, back in office...
murder Member	Wed Apr 10 14:06:56 There is no GOP left. It is the Trump Party. He gives commands and his dogs attack. A vote for any Republican at any level of government is a vote for Donald Trump.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Apr 10 18:59:38 but so weird people accept it a monkey throwing its shit at a ouija board to determine positions would be approximately equivalent Trump doesn't use factual info... he demonstrably uses false info (& its his entire basis on decisions, not like just a bit of it)... how is that remotely tolerable... so fucking weird...
Rugian Member	Wed Apr 10 19:12:02 Imagine believing that you have to be a Trump cultist to oppose warrantless spying on Americans. Jesus Christ you retards are lost.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Apr 10 21:19:28 he's not making that argument, as always, i'm talking about what Trump says
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Apr 10 21:20:50 piece of shit: " At what point are the actions of a sitting President, using LAWFARE against his opponent for purposes of Election Interference, considered ILLEGAL? I believe, as do various highly respected legal scholars, that Crooked Joe Biden has long since crossed over that very sacred threshold!!! " yes Biden is breaking the law!!!! even though there's zero evidence Biden behind any of it... & a president has total immunity anyway (according to him)... yup, nothing totally fucked up at all
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Apr 10 21:32:15 some of his past comments on FISA: " I hope all Republican House Members vote NO on FISA until such time as our Country is able to determine how and why the greatest political, criminal, and subversive scandal in USA history took place! " " Many Republican Senators want me to Veto the FISA Bill until we find out what led to, and happened with, the illegal attempted “coup” of the duly elected President of the United States, and others! " ALWAYS about him... & w/ 100% false info... FISA was ONLY used on Carter Page, NOTHING to do w/ him & not to 'spy on his campaign' never 'i'm against warrantless wiretapping of Americans'... i can't even imagine him saying such a thing... (& the current provision at play doesn't have anything to do w/ that or what was used on Carter Page anyway... but that's obviously well beyond the scope of Trump's extraordinarily limited capability to understand)
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Apr 11 11:45:47 incredibly obviously unfit guy: " Crooked Joe Biden and his crew of Hacks and Thugs, led by Merrick Garland and Deranged Jack Smith, are working overtime to try to illegally intimidate and harass respected Federal Judge Aileen Cannon. They are calling her terrible names, wrongfully threatening her with Impeachment, and disrespecting her, all because they want her to act like the dishonest, politically biased, and conflicted Judges in New York, and not like the fair and impartial Judge that she is. These Persecutors are using Third World tactics in a corrupt ploy to “play the ref.” However, no matter how hard he tries, Deranged Jack Smith will never be Coach Bobby Knight, a Basketball Legend for all time, who led the last undefeated team in College Basketball. Coach Knight would always “play the refs,” but not to change the last call, to change the next one…. Page 2: The Weaponization of Law Enforcement, the Harassment of Fair Judges, and rampant Election Interference cannot be allowed to continue. We have to end the Witch Hunts, win the most important Election in our History on November 5th, and Make America Great Again! " TLDR: Trump being against harassment of judges..., plus standard accusing people of crimes w/ no evidence of crimes... yadda yadda... totally normal stuff...
Rugian Member	Thu Apr 11 13:22:47 Because until Trump spoke up about FISA, no Republicans had ANY legitimate beefs with it? Is that your claim? Because if so, sounds like Trump has had a positive influence on the debate about mass surveillance (which I and many others have strongly opposed since the fucking 2000s...but since history for you only begins in 2016, feel free to call me an unthinking cultist).
murder Member	Thu Apr 11 14:46:12 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act ... not domestic intelligence surveillance act. And lol @ thinking the government won't surveil you without a warrant.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Apr 11 16:06:05 "sounds like Trump has had a positive influence on the debate" as might a monkey throwing shit & deciding to be against FISA? i think a president should base his decisions on real information... call me crazy other examples: there are fine reasons to oppose banning TikTok... but being against it as you think it would benefit Facebook which you think is bad as you think Zuckerberg did illegal things to help Biden in 2020 is NOT one such a reason... ending the Iran Deal while only ever citing 2 false things also was fucked up... this guy is a fucking ignorant nut child, it's absolutely absurd he was ever in power, & even more ridiculously absurd so many people think he should be put back into power (also there's "I will appoint a real special ‘prosecutor’ to go after the most corrupt president in the history of the USA, Joe Biden" ~Trump while raging against Biden using 'lawfare' against him, w/ NO EVIDENCE Biden behind any of it, & no reason for him to have to be... J6 committee had criminal referrals & demonstrated clear wrong-doing, & the FBI 'raided' Mar-a-lago & found heaps of the contraband they were seeking, thus yeah, guilty of crimes... he has yet to offer any defense for other than lying about the PRA so him actually running on what he & thus your side are complaining about, & meh, who cares...)
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Apr 11 16:15:42 obvious fucking liar: " I’M NOT RUNNING TO TERMINATE THE ACA, AS CROOKED JOE BIDEN SAYS ALL OVER THE PLACE… " w/ video of him repeatedly saying he wants to make ACA (Obamacare) 'much better, much stronger, far less cost'... and obviously ZERO details as ALWAYS... he has claimed that same shit for years, there OBVIOUSLY is no actual plan (plus the absurdity of when he was in office & knew NOTHING about R's various replacement plans, & even told them not to worry about the details & just pass something) (plus the absurdity that he doesn't even know what Obamacare is...)
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Apr 15 19:12:19 fuckhead liar: " Who will explain for me, to my wonderful son, Barron, who is a GREAT Student at a fantastic School, that his Dad will likely not be allowed to attend his Graduation Ceremony, something that we have been talking about for years, because a seriously Conflicted and Corrupt New York State Judge wants me in Criminal Court on a bogus “Biden Case”... The Judge, Juan Merchan, is preventing me from proudly attending my son’s Graduation. Seems very unfair, doesn’t it? ... " & " In Addition to being prohibited from attending my son Barron’s High School Graduation, I have just learned that the highly biased Judge in the Soros “appointed” D.A. Alvin Bragg’s Witch Hunt Case, will not allow me to attend the historic PRESIDENTIAL IMMUNITY argument in front of The United States Supreme Court, on Thursday, April 25th (next week!). This shows such great disdain and disrespect for our Nation’s Highest Court, especially for a topic so important as Presidential Immunity, without which our Country would never be the same! " fuckhead liar's son (Eric): " Judge Merchan is truly heartless in not letting a father attend his son’s graduation " ------- Fact: the judge hasn't even ruled on whether Trump can go, but they ALWAYS HAVE TO FUCKING LIE (& in dramatic fashion) & even if not allowed to go (as if he cares), same as would happen to any criminal defendant
murder Member	Mon Apr 15 20:37:22 Trump is free to attend the graduation. There's absolutely nothing stopping him. He isn't in custody.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Apr 15 21:37:45 he didn't have to attend civil trials, but does have to be there for criminal though since he doesn't think the law applies to him, he could try just skipping it, & i'm sure the Fox/cult crowd would be totally fine w/ it he wanted to see the son (whom he never talks about nor is seen with)'s graduation!!!!!! who cares if NOBODY else gets to just skip trial w/o a waiver
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Apr 16 01:59:59 Kari Lake: “ I am heartbroken for President Trump & Barron. All the hard work our kids put into graduating, & President Trump is being robbed of getting to experience his son’s High School graduation ceremony. This corrupt judge is heartless & cruel. “ that thing that didn’t happen is soo terrible...
murder Member	Tue Apr 16 11:12:12 Trump says he'd be proud to get locked up for violating his gag order. I don't see why he wouldn't be willing to risk it to see his one and only son graduate from high school.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Apr 16 11:28:11 i'm sure it would work in his favor, everything does including breaking the law "Pure evil" was Jr's comment (again obviously lying it already happened)... sure it happens to others, but Trump is a special lil boy & i'm sure Trump doesn't care at all about attending, & every other parent doesn't want him there for the extra hassle pure evil is their -constant- (multi-daily) fucking lies... Trump also repeatedly claims the legal fees that he's not even paying are preventing him from spending money on his campaign yet he hasn't spent money on his campaigns since 2016 (which surely was a loan that he repaid himself, plus the heaps more he's milked for himself over time)
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Apr 16 11:36:43 i wonder what the 'mar-a-lago isn't 18 million!' red herring nonsense will be this time, since the Fox/fraudosphere is not willing to ever discuss the facts of any case
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Apr 16 11:43:51 Lara Trump on Fox (& posted by lord fuckhead): “ It's not Donald Trump that's truly on trial here, it is our very democracy...if they are willing to thwart to will of the American people and try to remove our choice for President of the United States, then the fabric of this country is irreparably damaged. " there are no outcomes of this trial or any other trial that remove Trump as an extremely idiotic choice for 'president'
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Apr 16 11:51:42 also nazi Stephen Miller on Fox saying the same talking point (& also posted by lord fuckhead): " So when you hear them they say that democracy is on trial. They're right. Democracy is on trial. Freedom is on trial. The rule of law is on trial. All of these things are on trial. They're on trial with Donald Trump, because if Donald Trump is convicted then all of these principles are convicted and destroyed with him. " how dramatic
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Apr 16 12:03:28 Hannity also saying similar shit (unsurprisingly) i guess they don't even need a 'mar-a-lago isn't 18 million!!!', the audience already being convinced a guilty verdict is illegitimate & corrupt w/o knowing one fucking thing about the case so great for America... good job, Faux
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Apr 16 21:55:53 Trump demonstrating his knowledge of the battle of Gettysburg (if not already seen on every comedy show): http://twi...ump/status/1779509350865789208 sounding much like his description of everything as he knows nothing about anything
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Apr 17 12:28:49 whiny lying poisonous treasonous idiotic shitbag: " I thought STRIKES were supposed to be “unlimited” when we were picking our jury? I was then told we only had 10, not nearly enough when we were purposely given the 2nd Worst Venue in the Country. Don’t worry, we have the First Worst also, as the Witch Hunt continues! ELECTION INTERFERENCE! " it's 10 strikes for no specified reason at all yes, give them unlimited of those... great idea... anyone w/ clear bias there's unlimited
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Apr 17 12:31:23 important shit from shithead: " Stupid Jimmy Kimmel, who still hasn’t recovered from his horrendous performance and big ratings drop as Host of The Academy Awards, especially when he showed he suffered from TDS, commonly known as TRUMP DERANGEMENT SYNDROME, to the entire World by reading on air my TRUTH about how bad a job he was doing that night, right before he stumbled through announcing the biggest award of all, “Picture of the Year.” It was a CLASSIC CHOKE, one of the biggest ever in show business, and to top it off, he forgot to say the famous and mandatory line, “AND THE WINNER IS.” Instead he stammered around as he opened the envelope. Supposedly his wife, and even management, begged him not to do it, “DON’T READ HIS TRUTH, JIMMY, PLEASE DON’T DO THIS,” they said. He was made to look like a FOOL, which he is, and at the same time go down in Television History as the WORST HOST EVER OF THE ONCE VAUNTED ACADEMY AWARDS! " for the record, Kimmel mentioned Trump zero times until the end when he read Trump's juvenile idiotic post criticizing him for laughs (though Trump apparently finds his own stupid comments amazing)
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Apr 19 15:25:20 very whiny bitch: "This Trial is a Long, Rigged, Endurance Contest, dealing with Nasty, Crooked People, who want to DESTROY OUR COUNTRY. MAGA2024!" & "Judge Merchan is “railroading” me, at breakneck speed, in order to completely satisfy his “friends.”..." a long endurance contest moving at breakneck speed... (also the standard complete bullshit: "We are under Political Attack from Biden’s D.C. Thugs, working closely with the D.A.’s Office, in order to help Re-Elect Crooked Joe Biden, the Worst President in History. MAGA2024!")
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Apr 19 21:57:02 a post from Trump: " ABSENTEE VOTING, EARLY VOTING, AND ELECTION DAY VOTING ARE ALL GOOD OPTIONS. REPUBLICANS MUST MAKE A PLAN, REGISTER, AND VOTE! " consistency
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Apr 19 22:00:42 the Trump campaign is asking R's who use his name or likeness in campaigning to send a minimum of 5% of the take to Trump the letter also notes sending more than 5% will be looked on favorably & supposedly the 'top people' will be informed (of course they can't possibly care about anyone seeing except for Trump... so it's send more & lord Trump will supposedly see your offering... just like their donation scams of 'sign this letter w/ your donation & Trump will totally see... your name will be at the top of the list! just like everyone else's!... somehow!') a nice mix of mob boss shakedown & cultist shakedown
murder Member	Sat Apr 20 08:15:27 "ABSENTEE VOTING, EARLY VOTING, AND ELECTION DAY VOTING ARE ALL GOOD OPTIONS. REPUBLICANS MUST MAKE A PLAN, REGISTER, AND VOTE!" He means in addition to election day in person voting. You've got to vote early and often.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Apr 20 15:40:12 yep, of course it was so fucking ridiculous that he told people to also vote in person even if mailed in, when the State he said it in already had clear method to check if your vote received online & couldn't possibly want anyone to just vote in person to be sure... so much so fucking ridiculous...
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