Utopia Talk / Politics / Mass grave at Khan Younis hospital

Paramount Member	Mon Apr 22 02:30:34 Nearly 200 bodies found in mass grave at hospital in Gaza’s Khan Younis Palestinian civil defence crews have uncovered a mass grave inside the Nasser Medical Complex in Gaza’s Khan Younis, with 180 bodies recovered so far, Al Jazeera has learned, as Israel has continued bombardment of the devastated coastal enclave for more than six months. The discovery on Saturday, and continuing into Sunday, comes after the Israeli military withdrew its troops from the southern city on April 7. Much of the Khan Younis is now in ruins after months of relentless Israeli bombardment and heavy fighting. “In the hospital courtyard, civil defence members and paramedics have retrieved 180 bodies buried in this mass grave by the Israeli military. The bodies include elderly women, children and young men,” Al Jazeera’s Hani Mahmoud reporting from Khan Younis said on Sunday. http://www...-hospital-in-gazas-khan-younis I would like to hear the Israeli regime explain how this was "a mistake".
Sam Adams Member	Mon Apr 22 13:34:15 Rofl. Poor gaza.
Cherub Cow Member	Tue Apr 23 16:40:57 More Israeli war crimes by "our greatest ally". Can't wait for "our greatest ally" to send more White people to die on their behalf in WWIII.
murder Member	Wed Apr 24 10:46:00 Don't be terrorists.
obaminated Member	Wed Apr 24 15:20:59 Cc, why don't you explain what you consider "white" people?
murder Member	Thu Apr 25 08:58:57 Not you. :o) Or me.
Average Ameriacn Member	Thu Apr 25 09:58:59 Adam and Eve were white. Reagan was white. Trump is white. Jews are 99% white, that makes them our natural allies.
murder Member	Thu Apr 25 11:24:07 Jews are not 99% white. They are however mixed to a great extent due to constantly having to flee persecution and bumpin uglies with the locals.
obaminated Member	Thu Apr 25 11:58:11 I like to picture cherub as the borderline insane girlfriend from American history x. Pretty but would slit your throat if you don't toe the line.
Seb Member	Thu Apr 25 12:42:57 Murder: Most Jews and Palestinans are genetically as close as two groups get.
Seb Member	Thu Apr 25 12:43:26 Palestinians are not actually the same genetic heritage as Arabs.
Sam Adams Member	Thu Apr 25 13:20:58 "Most Jews and Palestinans are genetically as close as two groups get." Wrong again. Lol seb on genetics again.
Asgard Member	Sat Apr 27 00:25:45 This obsession with Jews and genetics … so 1940’s. Well. Seb is not surprising anyone with this obsession
jergul large member	Sat Apr 27 02:03:25 Asgard Where are the Ashkenazi from, anyway?
jergul large member	Sat Apr 27 02:08:26 In a related (hehe) question, where do you think the gold standard family genetic tracting program "myheritage.com" is from? It caused me some trouble as I had to balance out my subscription with an Israeli company with Iranian Bam dates. Fair is fair.
Seb Member	Sat Apr 27 12:06:08 Sam: Loads of studies on this. Silly to deny them. Asgard: I think you'll find it was murder that brought up the idea of whiteness.
murder Member	Sat Apr 27 15:10:32 I think you'll find that I didn't.
murder Member	Sat Apr 27 15:29:35 "This obsession with Jews and genetics … so 1940’s. Well. Seb is not surprising anyone with this obsession" Asgard: It's nice to see that you weren't that one little Israeli girl that got wrecked by the Iranian ballistic missile. :oP
kargen Member	Sat Apr 27 16:16:16 It was easy for Hamas and the Palestinians to find bodies in that mass grave. They put them there. They might have died because of Israeli actions but it was the Palestinians that buried them.
murder Member	Sat Apr 27 16:47:02 No one ever stopped to wonder why Israelis would bury bodies in a mass grave at a hospital.
Seb Member	Sun Apr 28 08:38:32
Seb Member	Sun Apr 28 08:39:16 Murder: Under a layer of waste? Well I would expect it's just standard Israeli policy to bulldoze buildings with people in it. They've done it before.
Cherub Cow Member	Sun Apr 28 09:15:27 [obaminated]: "Cc, why don't you explain what you consider "white" people?" Generally European-descent people, ranging from the Germanic/Nordic regions, the Welsh, Celts/Gauls, and some Slavic peoples. This would be mainly ethnic English, Irish, German, ancestral French, etc. Second tier would be some late Roman mixtures of French, Spanish, and Italian (e.g., Black Irish such as Colin Farrell, dark English such as Russell Brand, dark French such as singer Claire Pommet, many of the noble-conquistador Spanish blood). And of course it tiers further based on levels of miscegenation and phenotype dominance. This would exclude many asiatics (too Slavic), Canaanites, the Khazars and their possible descendants of poisoned mtDNA Ashkenazi Jewish populations, and slavish leftists of any of the top-tier categories may as well be the worst of Sub-Saharan African, since traitors are worse enemies than those who run through the gates once they're flung open and are merely advocates for the Jew Kalergi's "race of the future". The "race of the future" is meant as the perfected slave to the Jew, allowing the Jew to become the "Master Race" (largely a Jewish phrase pre-mustache-man) in separation, just as was hinted at in "Time Machine" (1895) through the divide of Morlocks (Jews) and Eloi (subjugated humanity). Jews as "Jacob" intend for Esau (White Westerners) to take the role of "Edom" (their historical enemy) and intend for Esau to be annihilated for the rise of the Eloi (racially homogenized slave race). But despite the repeated lies of murder and sebgul, I am not claiming White people as the "Master Race". I have repeatedly explained that a foreigner with noble morality is worth a thousand sebguls and could remain in the West while the sebguls are deported to Madagascar with the Jewish golems. I'm advocating for natural eugenics (as opposed to state-enforced racial hygiene) within individual nations so that psychopathic destroyers who have weaponized mass-migration and miscegenation (these for others but not for them!) cannot homogenize global-humanity into their slave caste. White Westerners are merely the first target, with the global slave revolt not intending to stop until everyone but "Jacob" is a 75-IQ Bengali.
murder Member	Sun Apr 28 09:48:49 "Well I would expect it's just standard Israeli policy to bulldoze buildings with people in it. They've done it before." Come on Seb, you don't need anyone to put two and two together for you. There's a mass grave at a hospital because that is the collection point for those in need of medical care. There is a mass grave there because that is where they died or where they were pronounced dead. People believe that Israelis rounded up men, women, and children, and then handcuffed them, executed them, and then buried them in a mass grave, because it confirms their bias. This is like people that were upset that Israel invaded Shifa Hospital ... and never wonder why it took Israel two weeks to sweep a hospital, or who it was that Israeli forces were exchanging fire with.
murder Member	Sun Apr 28 09:56:36 She has tiers of whiteness. We should all try to guess which tier of whiteness Cherub Cow is in. I'm going to guess ... tier 1.
Seb Member	Sun Apr 28 14:18:51 Murder: It's it normal for hospital patients to be buried under refuse with their hands tied? Those are the reported facts. The facts may be wrong, but advancing a theory that involves dismissing the facts reported to make it fit your preferred theory doesn't help. Might as well say "oh, there no graves, it's all lies". Israel's war on Gaza is literally full of examples of war crimes with Israeli soldiers knowingly and deliberately targeting civilians on the basis that they might be Hamas. Why do you think they wouldn't just kill a bunch of people in a hospital? After all, they've convinced themselves these weren't hospitals, they were Hamas HQs and it stands to reason, therefore, that the folks in the buildings are - let's use the term you've used - animals to be put down. My Lai happened, why do you think the IDF are more disciplined? Many are reservists, an entire unit is under US sanction for war crimes on the west Bank because they routinely kill palestinan civilians. IDF forces have even killed Jewish Israeli citizens mistaking them for Arabs (which shows they don't consider civilian status a thing that palestinans can have). A bunch of commanders were sacked belatedly under massive after they were caught deliberately targeting Western aid workers. Discipline is so lax that IDF forces post videos showing themselves looting and blowing up civilian property for fun, stating on camera they are doing it to punish them. Those are war crimes too. They don't care, their commanders and political leaders endorse it. And the policy towards Palestinians has always treated their lives as valueless. For over a decade Israel strictly controlled the amount of food going into Gaza based on the exact amount of calories needed to sustain the population, and no more. This is ironically referred to as "putting gaza on a diet" but it is real policy. Since October 7th, they've not been letting remotely enough food in. There's no other way to describe that than starving civilians. Their cabinet has openly talked about thinning the population, ethic cleansing. The Israeli PM has repeatedly made oblique references that appear to encourage the IDF forces to treat Gazans like groups whom, in the bible, God commanded to kill every last man woman and child. So you ask me what's most likely, if we find a mass grave under a pile of waste, with their hands tied, and not buried according to islamic custom, in a facility that's been under their control for weeks. It's obvious: most likely the IDF killed them. God knows we have enough videos of them killing civilians in cold blood with no operational need.
Asgard Member	Sun Apr 28 14:30:12 Jergul “Where are the Ashkenazi from, anyway?“ It’s simple I am east European, and so is my wife. My roots arr in Hungary and hers are in Belarus (she was actually born in Minsk) We look italian, Sicilian, even, as far as skin color goes. My nose is “jewish”. Trust me, we are nit “kazar” Jews. And when Jews look like Aryans, blond and bkue eyes, there’s thing called converting, i know, shocker, people can converted, and there are also people who, also shocking to discover, mixed in with local population (gasp!)
Asgard Member	Sun Apr 28 14:31:32 I blame both international jewry and Apple for these typos.
Asgard Member	Sun Apr 28 14:35:19 “ an entire unit is under US sanction for war crimes on the west Bank because they routinely kill palestinan civilians” That specifically hurts your argument. It is not a reservists and it and is composed of settlers who wouldn’t otherwise be fit for military service. This unit is a laughing stock in the army. Reservists are people with families, they don’t want to be there at all, and often you will find them protesting against Netanyahu’s government in their civilian life.
kargen Member	Sun Apr 28 16:28:16 Seb there is video of Palestinians digging the mass grave back in January. Satellite images show the timeline of when it was used. Israeli forces when they occupied that neighborhood dug up the grave looking for the bodies of some of the Israeli citizens that were taken hostage. They then returned the bodies to that grave. After they left Hamas "found" the grave and made their outrageous claims. The bodies were buried in the mass grave out of necessity by the Palestinians.
Asgard Member	Sun Apr 28 21:06:39 Again with the facts? Why are troubling such troubled minds with these inconveniences?
Seb Member	Mon Apr 29 05:15:35 Asgard: No it doesn't hurt the argument at all. The failure of the Israeli govt to reign them in to the extent that the US govt has sanctioned the unit demonstrates the degree to which there's no constraint at all on IDF forces committing war crimes. Murders argument is that it's unthinkable that IDF would do such a thing. It's clearly not.
Cherub Cow Member	Mon Apr 29 05:18:42 [murder (left-wing dogma bot)]: "She has tiers of whiteness." You make it sound like I invented this. Much of this work was done in the 1800s, remained common sense into the 1950s, but was buried by jewish propaganda and the leftist's fear of "forbidden"/taboo knowledge. The poisoned discourse of the Shoah Myth is that none of this can be looked at again because the West must not dare become WWII Germany (a «non sequitur»), but simultaneously the left and international jewry has flung this door open by unleashing their golems on White people through their racialist strategy (e.g., BLM, CRT, DEI, "protected" classes). In other words, these tiers are not about racial hygiene in some convenient "OMG literally Nazis" sense — they are about recognizing the target prioritization of the enemies of the West. It is *they* who order their planned genocides in this way. What, exactly, did you think "intersectionality" meant? Who is the *least* "intersectional"? That is their target prioritization. *Theirs*. Second-order thinking is your friend: being third or fourth in line does not mean you are not a target. Chicago and NYC blacks found this out the hard way when their welfare started going to migrants; Somalians, Nicaraguans, and Venezuelans are more racially hygienic to the destroyers of the West and are therefore a favored client group of the global totalitarian Regime — even over the highly reliable African American voting bloc. Some self-hating liberal typing out Marxist agitprop in Starbucks is racially impure to them — they require too many resources and aren't even worth the bus ride into the countryside for the "Down to the Countryside Movement" and would instead be liquidated for their very appearance and bourgeois sensibilities. Unless you are some 75-IQ Indian–Bengali Untouchable or Vietnamese–Burmese rice-farmer, you too will be on the chopping block. The people against whom you harbor such resentment are merely a domino to be knocked down onto your own body. All of your ancestral history is a threat to them, since if you had a true identity then you could unionize against them. Whatever you are, they undoubtedly hate it, even if it delivers heaps of gold for the building of their Third Temple to their God Moloch.
Seb Member	Mon Apr 29 05:24:08 Kargen: There are also satellite footage of bulldozers at work in the area during the occupation (which Israel denies), and multiple bodies found which aren't at all consistent with being buried previously (hands and feet tied, shot at close range). They just used the existing grave yard (which was individual graves, from which they removed a few tens of bodies for testing) as the site for a mass grave.
murder Member	Mon Apr 29 10:23:35 "Might as well say "oh, there no graves, it's all lies"." You're right Seb, Israel rounded up men, women, and children, bound them, transported them to the hospital, and then executed and buried them there. That clearly makes more sense. "Israel's war on Gaza is literally full of examples of war crimes with Israeli soldiers knowingly and deliberately targeting civilians on the basis that they might be Hamas." You must realize that you just contradicted yourself. If they thought they might be Hamas, then they were targeting suspected terrorist/militants, not deliberately targeting civilians. "Why do you think they wouldn't just kill a bunch of people in a hospital?" Why do you think Hamas wouldn't just kill a bunch of people in a hospital and then try to blame the Israelis? "It's obvious: most likely the IDF killed them. God knows we have enough videos of them killing civilians in cold blood with no operational need." And Hamas is just the honorable resistance? Hamas intentionally brings death onto the civilians in Gaza. They literally raise their children to be sacrificed in pursuit of the destruction of Israel. "Murders argument is that it's unthinkable that IDF would do such a thing." Murder hasn't said that anything is unthinkable, since murder would deal with Gazans with a much heavier hand than the Israelis have. I would have firebombed the entire fucking strip.
Paramount Member	Mon Apr 29 12:33:05 ” You're right Seb, Israel rounded up men, women, and children, bound them, transported them to the hospital, and then executed and buried them there” The civilians, women and children, were already there at the hospital seeking shelter. Israel assaulted the hospital, bound people, and executed them. Israeli leaders has said that they have removed all reatraints on their soldiers when going into Gaza. Netanyahu then invoked the Amalek, which says that jews must spare no one. Women, children, ox and camels must be slained. ”You must realize that you just contradicted yourself. If they thought they might be Hamas, then they were targeting suspected terrorist/militants, not deliberately targeting civilians.” It doesn’t matter what they think they are. If it is civilians then they are targetting civilians. By your reasoning, there are no terrorists. Al-Qaida, ISIS, jewish settlers, Israel, Hamas, can just target and kill civilians, saying "We thought it was terrorists/combatants so we did nothing wrong". You must realize that you have the mindset of a genocidal zionist terrorist. ”Why do you think Hamas wouldn't just kill a bunch of people in a hospital and then try to blame the Israelis?” Hamas has never done that before. When they have attacked civilians in the past, they have always took responsibility for the attack. ” And Hamas is just the honorable resistance?” They are more honorable than Israel. Hamas is fighting for the liberation of their land and their people. Hamas, and any other Palestinian group, combined, has also killed far less civilians than what Israel has done. ” Hamas intentionally brings death onto the civilians in Gaza. They literally raise their children to be sacrificed in pursuit of the destruction of Israel.” Gaza is an Israeli creation. It is Israel who is bringing death onto the civilians who are encaged in Gaza. Nazi Israel is forcing people to be born and raised into imprisonment, military occupation, starvation, and to die by bullets and missiles if they object to live their lives like this. It is the Zionazis in Israel who intentionally are sacrificing their own children in pursuit of Lebensraum for a pure ethnically jewish state.
Seb Member	Mon Apr 29 14:58:20 Murder: "transported them to the hospital" You know there were civilians in the hospital while they raided it right? Why would they need to transport people there? They just killed the ones on site and buried them there. "If they thought they might be Hamas, then they were targeting suspected terrorist/militants, not deliberately targeting civilians." No contradiction. You can't just kill civilians and say "I thought they were militants" - you need to have some reasonable grounds for that, otherwise militaries can just kill a new born and say "I thought it was Osama bin laden". The fact the IDF claim they can legitimately consider anyone a terrorist doesn't make it not a war crime. "Why do you think Hamas wouldn't just kill a bunch of people in a hospital and then try to blame the Israelis" Because Hamas haven't been in control of the hospital at all as far as anyone, including the IDF, can evidence. The best they've claimed is a bunker under the hospital, and some random pictures of the same four guns in the same duffel bag sitting in a cardboard box in three different rooms. Interestingly the cardboard box has the same logo and label as the international media recorded a bunch of soldiers carrying into the building a few hours before they were allowed in. Hey ho. The hospital, up to Israel taking control, had various international volunteers, non of whom have since described a Hamas massacre false flag 11D chess move. And it's difficult to see how they could do so after Israel took charge. So, what seems more likely? IDF doing the things they have been well documented and recorded doing for years: taking child prisoners, torturing prisoners, executing prisoners, shooting civilians, bulldozing houses with civilian occupants etc. Or some crazy Hamas 11D chess move where they sneak casualties under the radar if the IDF? "And Hamas is just the honorable resistance?" What's Hamas got to do with the IDF? You might as well say of all the evidence of Hamas atrocities on October 7th "and the IDF abide by international law, and Israel isn't in illegal occupation of Gaza and the west bank?" They are clearly referring abuses, but neither justify the other. "Hamas intentionally brings death onto the civilians in Gaza." IDF intentionally kills civilians. They are responsible for their own actions, just as Hamas are responsible for theirs. "They literally raise their children to be sacrificed in pursuit of the destruction of Israel. This is a completely hyperbolic position implying they have children with the intent of killing them. That's bullshit propaganda. You can say exactly the same of Israelis and destruction of Palestinans given that pretty much everyone bar the religious right has to serve in the IDF.
Sam Adams Member	Mon Apr 29 16:15:15 "So, what seems more likely? IDF doing the things they have been well documented and recorded doing for years: taking child prisoners, torturing prisoners, executing prisoners, shooting civilians, bulldozing houses with civilian" Lol seb goes fully left fundamentalist. Do you have to say that to keep your jog in a burgeoning islamic theocratic state or are you really that dumb?
Sam Adams Member	Mon Apr 29 16:15:25 I think he's that dumb.
murder Member	Tue Apr 30 08:19:29 "It doesn’t matter what they think they are. If it is civilians then they are targetting civilians." It absolutely matters. "Hamas, and any other Palestinian group, combined, has also killed far less civilians than what Israel has done." That's because they are weak, not for a lack of trying. There have been an estimated 20,000 attempts at mass murder of Israelis by Hamas. They just can't target effectively.
murder Member	Tue Apr 30 08:38:00 "You know there were civilians in the hospital while they raided it right?" I see, so they are dragging patients out of the hospital to bind, execute, and bury them. I guess the Israelis haven't discovered fire yet. "No contradiction. You can't just kill civilians and say "I thought they were militants" - you need to have some reasonable grounds for that, otherwise militaries can just kill a new born and say "I thought it was Osama bin laden"." Either they are killing them on the basis that they might be Hamas or they are not. Either they are killing them on the basis that they might be Hamas or they are killing them for some other reason. "Because Hamas haven't been in control of the hospital at all as far as anyone, including the IDF, can evidence." Hamas governs (governed) Gaza. All of it. "So, what seems more likely? IDF doing the things they have been well documented and recorded doing for years: taking child prisoners, torturing prisoners, executing prisoners, shooting civilians, bulldozing houses with civilian occupants etc." It's amazing that Israel has thousands of living terrorist prisoners to trade. And clearly to you everyone is a civilian. "IDF intentionally kills civilians. They are responsible for their own actions, just as Hamas are responsible for theirs." You know damn well that the presence of militants makes a location a legitimate target. Fortunately Hamas has no shortage of willing human shields, and no shortage of international mouthpieces pretending that there are literally no legitimate targets in all of Gaza. "This is a completely hyperbolic position implying they have children with the intent of killing them. That's bullshit propaganda." Except that it is absolutely true. I'll ask what I frequently ask ... when are the Gazans going to remove Hamas from power?
murder Member	Tue Apr 30 08:42:07 Europeans just can't quit trying to genocide Jews.
Paramount Member	Tue Apr 30 14:02:57 ” I guess the Israelis haven't discovered fire yet.” Or maybe they find bullets to be a more quicker and efficient.
Paramount Member	Tue Apr 30 14:08:33 The precence of illegal settlers that the Zionist regime has transfered onto illegal occupied land makes the location a legitimate target. Israel has weaponized their civilians. They are being used as a part of the occupying force. It is perfectly legal for Palestinians to target them. The Zionists are not only sacrificing Palestinian lives but also their own people, and American tax payers money, in pursuit of Lebensraum. When are jews going to remove the Zionazis from power?
murder Member	Tue Apr 30 14:36:56 "The precence of illegal settlers that the Zionist regime has transfered onto illegal occupied land makes the location a legitimate target." OK
Seb Member	Wed May 01 10:56:52 Murder: "see, so they are dragging patients out of the hospital to bind, execute, and bury them." Patients, staff, IDPs people going there because they haven't got anywhere else to go. Yeah, you bind prisoners, and yeah, it wouldn't be the first time Western forces or the IDF have executed prisoners. And yeah, you bury dead prisoners in mass graves. Why do you find this implausible. "Either they are killing them on the basis that they might be Hamas or they are not" One of the criteria they use to assign targets is if you have a phone number that's appeared in whats app group with another phone number associated with a terrorist. That's enough to get you on the bomb list. Think about the implications of that for a second. The commander who ran their clever AI intelligence plan is another person whose been on record of the desirability of cleansing Gaza and the West Bank. They know what they are doing. "Hamas governs (governed) Gaza. All of it." Hamas controlled the hospital during the IDFs several months occupation of it? "It's amazing that Israel has thousands of living terrorist prisoners to trade" Israel is on record from well established Western organisations of just randomly picking up Palestinan youths and staining them. There are well documented cases of them being raped and tortured. They never go before courts, it's arbitrary military detention. There's no accountability to any authority, and no effective oversight, and so of course there's massive abuse. You only need to look at how your own police behave to citizens that regard as lesser. What do you think Israel, which repeatedly votes for govts that as a policy platform wish to clear and settle the west bank and gaza if Palestinan's, would do if given guns, authority, impunity and no oversight would do? This has been going on for decades and now reached the extent the US has now placed sanctions on one of the groups in the West Bank. That's why they have thousands of "terrorist" prisoners. And you think it's surprising that in a war zone they wouldn't just kill civilians left right and centre? I mean you have literal videos of them doing exactly that with snipers. Why do you think execution of prisoners wouldn't be absolutely rife under these circumstances where you are even less likely to face scrutiny? "And clearly to you everyone is a civilian." No, clearly not. The civilian death ratio is way over the top for any comparable war. "You know damn well that the presence of militants makes a location a legitimate target" They've bombed areas where there is no evidence of a legitimate target. They've put into the formal methods for target selections criteria that are completely insane, and claim that this proves militants, they have as acceptable levels of collateral deaths a threshold so low as to be meaningless. You have to be incredibly stupid when you see the military and civilian leadership in place now, who have throughout their careers advocated for clearing and settling the land and suggesting this means of doing so, now doing exactly what they said that they thought Israel should do, are somehow doing it all for entirely different, honourable reasons. "when are the Gazans going to remove Hamas from power?" This is as stupid a question as asking when they are going to remove the Israelis from power. It's also specious - Israel has and will continue to attack civilians in the West Bank, even though the west bank govt is at peace with Israel. Europeans aren't genociding the Jews, this is absurd.
Sam Adams Member	Thu May 02 13:58:47 "Why do you find this implausible. " Because you have no evidence. "One of the criteria they use to assign targets is if you have a phone number that's appeared in whats app group with another phone number associated with a terrorist. That's enough to get you on the bomb list. " Lmfao. Any evidence of this one? Like beyond the words of a hamas-adjacent "You only need to look at how your own police behave to citizens that regard as lesser." Treat them with kid gloves and kill one every 400 million encounters? "The civilian death ratio is way over the top for any comparable war." Rofl. Given how hamas only ever fights from behind human shields this is a hilarious lie. "They've bombed areas where there is no evidence of a legitimate target." Evidence? "Europeans aren't genociding the Jews, this is absurd." Keep in mind seb and his far left friends would gladly genocide jews if they werent so powerless. Even with power, they would probably be afraid of Israels nukes. Lol@seb. Will believe genes are fake but hamas reports are real.
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