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Im better then you
2012 UP Football Champ Sun May 05 23:58:42
Hopefullly this is a sign of good things to come on this side of the pond.

http://www...ction-london-mayor-2024-05-04/

Seb
Member Mon May 06 06:07:52
Yes, savagely punished by the electorate despite introducing a number of changes to the electoral system to try and benefit themselves.

But the idiots still seem to think the message is "be more conservative" despite the clear evidence that they are well too the right of the electorate.

Essentially they are getting recycled poll strategy from people who advise the republicans who don't understand the UK electorate and it's failing because British conservative voters are not as extreme as American ones - they are actually conservatives rather than revanchists.

You only need to look at how they spend so much time campaigning in metropolitan areas with anti-immigration anti-minority rhetoric. But anti-immigration sentiment is strong only in the countryside (where people have little experience of it). Moreover they use lines that work in rural areas (crime! Rape! No go areas! ULEZ!) but for the actual voters in urban areas live here, and can see that's a mix of lies and exaggerations. So naturally they vote for other folks who they trust to make sure their bins are collected and municipal services function, rather than pandering to rural voters fears which their party whipped up in the first place.

It's completely mad, and there's a good chance that the UK conservative party may actually break up after the next central election. This was once the most electorally successful party in the western world, and it's completely destroyed itself following "political consultants" pandering to the likes of Sam Adams, Rugian, Obaminated etc. who don't even live in this country.

Bonkers, utterly bonkers.

Seb
Member Mon May 06 06:16:01
Actually "be more conservative" would be a good idea. Value our institutions. Cleave strongly to principles. Be skeptical of radical policy change, make small incremental and pragmatic changes, but also accept that social change is something for politics and the law to accommodate: steer the flow, not seek to control and drive.

This was why the Conservative party was so successful. It thoroughly occupied the consensus and moved with it.

Instead it's become a radical party pushing a brand of economics rejected by business and the markets, a reactionary social policy rejected by petty much everyone under the age of 50, and a foreign and trade policy impossible to implement sold on lies about the benefits, turned it into a grand ideology that nobody can rise to power in the party without outdoing every competitor in adherence to, and so from which they cannot now deviate despite it's obvious failure because its few remaining leaders cannot turn around and admit they lied.

It's not a party, it's a suicide pact between only 150k people in a population of 66m.

Sam Adams
Member Mon May 06 06:25:03
"It's not a party, it's a suicide pact"

Says the dude importing hamas.

Paramount
Member Mon May 06 07:16:06
” This was once the most electorally successful party in the western world, and it's completely destroyed itself following "political consultants" pandering to the likes of Sam Adams, Rugian, Obaminated etc. who don't even live in this country.”

So it isn’t Putin who is destroying Britain. It is Americans. Doubt we will read about that in the news, though.

Rugian
Member Mon May 06 07:51:11
Just want to remind Seb that those Conservatives pandering to the likes of Sam, Rugian, obam etc dominated in 2019.

Your claim that they're losing because they went too far right are thin. I'd argue that theres just as much justification for saying they went too far left - abandoning austerity and going on a massive orgy of both taxing and spending, and what's worse, doing so in an ineffective manner that failed to yield positive results for the populace at large.

Also, unpopularity over Ulez was never going to overcome the fact that London has been overrun by Muslims and woke affluent whites. These people vote along identitarian lines just as much as the scumbag rural English you clearly despise so much.

Rugian
Member Mon May 06 07:53:42
"A Green Party candidate shouted “Allahu Akbar!” after being elected to Leeds city council, while his supporters unfurled a Palestinian flag behind him.

Mothin Ali, who won the Gipton and Harehills seat with 3,070 votes, said his election to the council was a “win for the people of Gaza”.

Delivering a victory speech after the result was announced, he said people are “fed up” of being “let down” by a Labour council and concluded by saying: “We will not be silenced. We will raise the voice of Gaza. We will raise the voice of Palestine. Allahu Akbar!”

Mr Ali was one of dozens of candidates around the country who ran on a Gaza ticket and, in doing so, defeated their Labour rival.

Meanwhile in Walsall, Naheed Zohra Gultasib has held her seat in the Pleck ward. She was one of six Walsall Labour councillors who quit the party in November over Sir Keir Starmer’s refusal to back a ceasefire in Gaza.

Discontent
“This is for Gaza, this is for Palestine,” Gultasib said in her victory speech, to cheers and chants, as well as murmurs of discontent. “You showed [Labour] that they cannot take your vote for granted.”

Akhmed Yakoob, a pro-Palestinian independent candidate running for West Midlands mayor, secured nearly 20 per cent of the vote in Birmingham which one of the seven areas which make up the combined authority.

Across the country, Labour support plummeted in areas with a high Muslim population, analysis by The Telegraph has found.

The analysis focused on wards in council areas with the highest proportion of Muslim voters – Blackburn, Bradford, Pendle, Oldham and Manchester – showed Labour support dropped by an average of 25 points.

In Pendle, wards with Muslim populations higher than 10 per cent saw Labour support decline, on average, by 43 per cent. Meanwhile, those with smaller populations saw support surge by 15 per cent.

In Blackburn, support in those Muslim areas fell by 35 per cent. Across all five areas, Muslim areas dropped support by at least 12 per cent."

http://www...u-akba-leeds-gipton-harehills/

Rugian
Member Mon May 06 08:05:15
Claiming that the Tories are far-right on immigration when they've literally been dumping migrants onto rural villages whose native populations are dwarfed by the newcomers, because the government finally ran out of room in urban cities to house the migrants after a quarter-century of open borders and criminalizing anti-immigration rhetoric, is *actually* hilarious to me.

What's your definition of a non-rightwing migrant policy Seb? Volunteering to fly them IN to the country from abroad?

Seb
Member Mon May 06 08:22:53
Paramount:

Bit of both. Russia gives a fuckton of funding to the right wing populists in Europe for two reasons:

1. They are divisive and dumb, so it fuels the inability for the West to act against Russia in a concerted way

2. It makes it near impossible for the right, who are historically the most anti-Russian force in Europe, to then act against Russian interests.

Seb
Member Mon May 06 08:24:30
Rugian:

They dominated the general election by lying about Brexit. Only now the lies are uncovered. So good luck repeating that trick!

I'm not going to spend time convincing you that you are wrong about this, I'll just invite you to watch the next few elections in the UK.

Rugian
Member Mon May 06 08:30:25
Lol @ lying about Brexit. Brexit was and is the right choice, it just has been the unfortunate victim of bad timing and bad actors. Covid, inflationary fiscal policy, an intransigent EU leadership butthurt that the UK chose to leave paradise, and a senile US president cosplaying as an Irish nationalist weren't on the docket in 2016.

murder
Member Mon May 06 08:58:03

"an intransigent EU leadership butthurt that the UK chose to leave paradise"

Actions have consequences.

Seb
Member Mon May 06 09:25:00
Rugian:

Well here's the thing, they said it would reduced food prices, allow us to control the border, increase jobs etc.

And what's happened is that it's increased food prices, we've had to stop border checks because it's so disruptive to supply chains, we can no longer use EU law to deport asylum seekers to France, and manufacturers have cut jobs and investment and relocated factories to France.

So for whatever spiritual reason you think it's the right choice, the fact remains the electorate by and large are deeply pissed off because the in all the key areas where it was supposed to benefit the population of the UK, things have got dramatically worse; and all the people that said it would be quick, easy, and beneficial are now saying "nobody said it would be quick, easy and beneficial", only this is the 2020's not the 1980's and so you have then saying that transposed with the clips of them saying it would be quick, easy and beneficial.

So obviously that's not going down well.

"an intransigent EU leadership"

Well yeah, you think they are going to give a deal that's equivalent to membership when we aren't members?

Is the US about to give us zero tariff, zero customs checks access to your markets in areas where we compete with your domestic producers?

No. Of course not. Why do you think the EU will?

Rugian
Member Mon May 06 13:57:13
Imagine believing that your only choices for trading with Europe are either on hostile terms or by being part of an organization whose goal is ever closer union.

I've said it before, but this is madness.

Unfettered immigration to the UK has been a problem since the Blair years, so that's clearly not a Brexit-related issue. Good luck with the deportations to Kenya though.

Things are drastically worse because your incompetent Tory government shut down the entire country multiple times and then tried to spend their way back into prosperity, ignoring the obvious inflationary effects that would necessarily ensue. Not only that, but your "Conservative" government has jacked up taxes to their highest level since 1948.

Of course I wouldn't want to invest in an environment like that. Who would?

Liz Truss was unironically your best hope for getting the economy back on track, but the BoE and the economic establishment knifed her in the back and then you all started posting lettuce memes until she left. Good job.

Sam Adams
Member Mon May 06 14:59:25
Has the influx of crypto money and the hurricane recovery, combined with the continued fall of the UK, caused the UK to becomer poorer than puerto rico yet?

jergul
large member Mon May 06 17:27:29
Seb
Is Russia using the Swift interbanking payment system to fund Western unrest or is there some other, more conspiratoral mechanism transferring payments to the useful idiots?

jergul
large member Mon May 06 17:29:51
Sammy
Speaking of banana republics. Federal debt is now at 75% of gross home equity in the US. In that sense, you should just think of it as your second mortgage :).

jergul
large member Mon May 06 17:30:11
Source: Z1 gov.

Seb
Member Tue May 07 01:56:56
Jergul:

I believe in the case Aaron Banks it was discounted part ownership of a gold mine in Africa.

Seb
Member Tue May 07 01:59:26
Sam:

Interesting the UK's decline in GDP per person happend during the 15 years under a govt pursuing enthusiastically your proposed economic policies, and trying their best to appeal to people with your particular worldview.

I wonder what that tells us.

Seb
Member Tue May 07 02:02:34
Rugian:

They aren't hostile terms. They are considerably better than WTO terms.

They require, as they do for every free trade partner with the EU, customs checks, import checks, quotas and some tariffs applied in some cases. Similarly there's no passporting for professional services etc.

jergul
large member Tue May 07 02:23:53
Seb
Seems rather a stretch.

Seb
Member Tue May 07 03:03:40
https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/aug/09/revealed-detail-of-exclusive-russian-deal-offered-to-arron-banks-in-brexit-run-up

Well in that case he didn't bite, it was too on the nose to get a half price litteral gold mine.

But that's how they do it - transfer of assets held by oligarchs.

You can see historically similar transactions: houses sold well below market prices etc.

Sending cash through the banking system isn't generally a good idea when the recipient wants deniability as to the source.

Sam Adams
Member Tue May 07 14:23:42
"during the 15 years under a govt pursuing enthusiastically your proposed economic policies, and trying their best to appeal to people with your particular worldview."

Yes seb, low skill immigration, high taxes, burdensome red tape are all obvious sam viewpoints.

Lol daft.

Seb
Member Tue May 07 16:15:12
They cut red tape, cracked down on immigration, implemented a skills based assessment for visas.

The problem is that not only do they adopt Sam policies, they also are Sam like in implementation, and so fail horribly and backfire.

Sam Adams
Member Wed May 08 09:55:44
"They cut red tape, cracked down on immigration, implemented a skills based assessment for visas."

Every one of these is an obvious lie.

And note seb doesnt even try to lie about taxes.

Sam Adams
Member Wed May 08 09:59:07
It is funny how sebs mismanagement of everything helped cause the UK to entirely miss the internet/smartphone business.

Sam Adams
Member Wed May 08 10:02:31
Oy yur gonna need a diversity license to code on that there smartphone mate.

Seb
Member Thu May 09 09:28:47
Sam:

All of those things are true.

The problem is the policies they have enacted did not result in the outcomes you think they ought to, because they were dumb policies that were obviously going to create adverse consequences. Like trying to "take back control" of the border by giving up control over the other side of the border.

Even tax: they cut the headline rates, and then borrowed money to pay for the tax cuts, fuelling inflation, resulting in personal tax rising due to fiscal drag. Durpy durp Sammism enacted by Liz Truss.

It's very Sam. And very Sam to try and say the problem is management of the implementation, but you forget that the big Sam policy of cutting civil servants and paying them shit means that all the good ones leave. Also, ultimately, ministers oversee the implementation and operation.

This is the Sam version of tankies: communism works! It's just every communist country was doing it wrong!

Seb
Member Thu May 09 09:30:23
"Oh noes, this complex system is working the opposite way than my simplistic mind expected! The problem is the system, not my simple mindedness"

Seb
Member Thu May 09 09:48:23
Sam:

"the UK to entirely miss the internet/smartphone business."

If this is the case, why exactly do the FAANGs keep buying UK tech businesses and employing people here?

I mean you are just making shit up in your own little deluded mind now.

Sam Adams
Member Thu May 09 23:10:31
"If this is the case, why exactly do the FAANGs keep buying UK tech businesses and employing people here?"

No one touches UK tech. Theres no modern gear that anyone buys from the UK. Planes come from france/germany the US and Brazil. Computers come from korea and the US. Cars come from japan. Weapons come from the US. Mountain gear comes from italy france and the US. Boats come from korea. Cheap shit comes from china. Nothing comes from the UK. Thats why you are poorer than every US state, including the absolute shitholes. The last UK tech worth anything was tank armor from 40 years ago.

"paying them shit means that all the good ones leave."

Lol, now apply the same logic to taxes and red tape, and then imagine that of the 4 other primary english speaking countries all 4 have vastly superior climates/geography. What happens when your nation has absolutely nothing to offer? Where do all your nations skilled workers go?

Your done. White trash, regret, and muslim rape gangs is your entire future.

Seb
Member Fri May 10 01:09:41
Lol.

Sam's never heard of Arm.

Sam Adams
Member Fri May 10 09:34:36
Correct. Why would i have heard of some 4th rate british product?

Pwnt.

Seb
Member Sat May 11 04:59:54
It's literally the most widely used technology architecture for processors in use.

Your phone will have loads of chips manufactured in Taiwan using Arm licensed technology.

Unless you are Amish, you will have probably a hundred products at least that are licensing Arm technology.

If you've never heard of it, you don't know shit about tech.

Seb
Member Sat May 11 10:23:29
Own an iPad or iPhone Sam?

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Im better then you 2012 UP Football Champ	Sun May 05 23:58:42 Hopefullly this is a sign of good things to come on this side of the pond. http://www...ction-london-mayor-2024-05-04/
Seb Member	Mon May 06 06:07:52 Yes, savagely punished by the electorate despite introducing a number of changes to the electoral system to try and benefit themselves. But the idiots still seem to think the message is "be more conservative" despite the clear evidence that they are well too the right of the electorate. Essentially they are getting recycled poll strategy from people who advise the republicans who don't understand the UK electorate and it's failing because British conservative voters are not as extreme as American ones - they are actually conservatives rather than revanchists. You only need to look at how they spend so much time campaigning in metropolitan areas with anti-immigration anti-minority rhetoric. But anti-immigration sentiment is strong only in the countryside (where people have little experience of it). Moreover they use lines that work in rural areas (crime! Rape! No go areas! ULEZ!) but for the actual voters in urban areas live here, and can see that's a mix of lies and exaggerations. So naturally they vote for other folks who they trust to make sure their bins are collected and municipal services function, rather than pandering to rural voters fears which their party whipped up in the first place. It's completely mad, and there's a good chance that the UK conservative party may actually break up after the next central election. This was once the most electorally successful party in the western world, and it's completely destroyed itself following "political consultants" pandering to the likes of Sam Adams, Rugian, Obaminated etc. who don't even live in this country. Bonkers, utterly bonkers.
Seb Member	Mon May 06 06:16:01 Actually "be more conservative" would be a good idea. Value our institutions. Cleave strongly to principles. Be skeptical of radical policy change, make small incremental and pragmatic changes, but also accept that social change is something for politics and the law to accommodate: steer the flow, not seek to control and drive. This was why the Conservative party was so successful. It thoroughly occupied the consensus and moved with it. Instead it's become a radical party pushing a brand of economics rejected by business and the markets, a reactionary social policy rejected by petty much everyone under the age of 50, and a foreign and trade policy impossible to implement sold on lies about the benefits, turned it into a grand ideology that nobody can rise to power in the party without outdoing every competitor in adherence to, and so from which they cannot now deviate despite it's obvious failure because its few remaining leaders cannot turn around and admit they lied. It's not a party, it's a suicide pact between only 150k people in a population of 66m.
Sam Adams Member	Mon May 06 06:25:03 "It's not a party, it's a suicide pact" Says the dude importing hamas.
Paramount Member	Mon May 06 07:16:06 ” This was once the most electorally successful party in the western world, and it's completely destroyed itself following "political consultants" pandering to the likes of Sam Adams, Rugian, Obaminated etc. who don't even live in this country.” So it isn’t Putin who is destroying Britain. It is Americans. Doubt we will read about that in the news, though.
Rugian Member	Mon May 06 07:51:11 Just want to remind Seb that those Conservatives pandering to the likes of Sam, Rugian, obam etc dominated in 2019. Your claim that they're losing because they went too far right are thin. I'd argue that theres just as much justification for saying they went too far left - abandoning austerity and going on a massive orgy of both taxing and spending, and what's worse, doing so in an ineffective manner that failed to yield positive results for the populace at large. Also, unpopularity over Ulez was never going to overcome the fact that London has been overrun by Muslims and woke affluent whites. These people vote along identitarian lines just as much as the scumbag rural English you clearly despise so much.
Rugian Member	Mon May 06 07:53:42 "A Green Party candidate shouted “Allahu Akbar!” after being elected to Leeds city council, while his supporters unfurled a Palestinian flag behind him. Mothin Ali, who won the Gipton and Harehills seat with 3,070 votes, said his election to the council was a “win for the people of Gaza”. Delivering a victory speech after the result was announced, he said people are “fed up” of being “let down” by a Labour council and concluded by saying: “We will not be silenced. We will raise the voice of Gaza. We will raise the voice of Palestine. Allahu Akbar!” Mr Ali was one of dozens of candidates around the country who ran on a Gaza ticket and, in doing so, defeated their Labour rival. Meanwhile in Walsall, Naheed Zohra Gultasib has held her seat in the Pleck ward. She was one of six Walsall Labour councillors who quit the party in November over Sir Keir Starmer’s refusal to back a ceasefire in Gaza. Discontent “This is for Gaza, this is for Palestine,” Gultasib said in her victory speech, to cheers and chants, as well as murmurs of discontent. “You showed [Labour] that they cannot take your vote for granted.” Akhmed Yakoob, a pro-Palestinian independent candidate running for West Midlands mayor, secured nearly 20 per cent of the vote in Birmingham which one of the seven areas which make up the combined authority. Across the country, Labour support plummeted in areas with a high Muslim population, analysis by The Telegraph has found. The analysis focused on wards in council areas with the highest proportion of Muslim voters – Blackburn, Bradford, Pendle, Oldham and Manchester – showed Labour support dropped by an average of 25 points. In Pendle, wards with Muslim populations higher than 10 per cent saw Labour support decline, on average, by 43 per cent. Meanwhile, those with smaller populations saw support surge by 15 per cent. In Blackburn, support in those Muslim areas fell by 35 per cent. Across all five areas, Muslim areas dropped support by at least 12 per cent." http://www...u-akba-leeds-gipton-harehills/
Rugian Member	Mon May 06 08:05:15 Claiming that the Tories are far-right on immigration when they've literally been dumping migrants onto rural villages whose native populations are dwarfed by the newcomers, because the government finally ran out of room in urban cities to house the migrants after a quarter-century of open borders and criminalizing anti-immigration rhetoric, is actually hilarious to me. What's your definition of a non-rightwing migrant policy Seb? Volunteering to fly them IN to the country from abroad?
Seb Member	Mon May 06 08:22:53 Paramount: Bit of both. Russia gives a fuckton of funding to the right wing populists in Europe for two reasons: 1. They are divisive and dumb, so it fuels the inability for the West to act against Russia in a concerted way 2. It makes it near impossible for the right, who are historically the most anti-Russian force in Europe, to then act against Russian interests.
Seb Member	Mon May 06 08:24:30 Rugian: They dominated the general election by lying about Brexit. Only now the lies are uncovered. So good luck repeating that trick! I'm not going to spend time convincing you that you are wrong about this, I'll just invite you to watch the next few elections in the UK.
Rugian Member	Mon May 06 08:30:25 Lol @ lying about Brexit. Brexit was and is the right choice, it just has been the unfortunate victim of bad timing and bad actors. Covid, inflationary fiscal policy, an intransigent EU leadership butthurt that the UK chose to leave paradise, and a senile US president cosplaying as an Irish nationalist weren't on the docket in 2016.
murder Member	Mon May 06 08:58:03 "an intransigent EU leadership butthurt that the UK chose to leave paradise" Actions have consequences.
Seb Member	Mon May 06 09:25:00 Rugian: Well here's the thing, they said it would reduced food prices, allow us to control the border, increase jobs etc. And what's happened is that it's increased food prices, we've had to stop border checks because it's so disruptive to supply chains, we can no longer use EU law to deport asylum seekers to France, and manufacturers have cut jobs and investment and relocated factories to France. So for whatever spiritual reason you think it's the right choice, the fact remains the electorate by and large are deeply pissed off because the in all the key areas where it was supposed to benefit the population of the UK, things have got dramatically worse; and all the people that said it would be quick, easy, and beneficial are now saying "nobody said it would be quick, easy and beneficial", only this is the 2020's not the 1980's and so you have then saying that transposed with the clips of them saying it would be quick, easy and beneficial. So obviously that's not going down well. "an intransigent EU leadership" Well yeah, you think they are going to give a deal that's equivalent to membership when we aren't members? Is the US about to give us zero tariff, zero customs checks access to your markets in areas where we compete with your domestic producers? No. Of course not. Why do you think the EU will?
Rugian Member	Mon May 06 13:57:13 Imagine believing that your only choices for trading with Europe are either on hostile terms or by being part of an organization whose goal is ever closer union. I've said it before, but this is madness. Unfettered immigration to the UK has been a problem since the Blair years, so that's clearly not a Brexit-related issue. Good luck with the deportations to Kenya though. Things are drastically worse because your incompetent Tory government shut down the entire country multiple times and then tried to spend their way back into prosperity, ignoring the obvious inflationary effects that would necessarily ensue. Not only that, but your "Conservative" government has jacked up taxes to their highest level since 1948. Of course I wouldn't want to invest in an environment like that. Who would? Liz Truss was unironically your best hope for getting the economy back on track, but the BoE and the economic establishment knifed her in the back and then you all started posting lettuce memes until she left. Good job.
Sam Adams Member	Mon May 06 14:59:25 Has the influx of crypto money and the hurricane recovery, combined with the continued fall of the UK, caused the UK to becomer poorer than puerto rico yet?
jergul large member	Mon May 06 17:27:29 Seb Is Russia using the Swift interbanking payment system to fund Western unrest or is there some other, more conspiratoral mechanism transferring payments to the useful idiots?
jergul large member	Mon May 06 17:29:51 Sammy Speaking of banana republics. Federal debt is now at 75% of gross home equity in the US. In that sense, you should just think of it as your second mortgage :).
jergul large member	Mon May 06 17:30:11 Source: Z1 gov.
Seb Member	Tue May 07 01:56:56 Jergul: I believe in the case Aaron Banks it was discounted part ownership of a gold mine in Africa.
Seb Member	Tue May 07 01:59:26 Sam: Interesting the UK's decline in GDP per person happend during the 15 years under a govt pursuing enthusiastically your proposed economic policies, and trying their best to appeal to people with your particular worldview. I wonder what that tells us.
Seb Member	Tue May 07 02:02:34 Rugian: They aren't hostile terms. They are considerably better than WTO terms. They require, as they do for every free trade partner with the EU, customs checks, import checks, quotas and some tariffs applied in some cases. Similarly there's no passporting for professional services etc.
jergul large member	Tue May 07 02:23:53 Seb Seems rather a stretch.
Seb Member	Tue May 07 03:03:40 https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/aug/09/revealed-detail-of-exclusive-russian-deal-offered-to-arron-banks-in-brexit-run-up Well in that case he didn't bite, it was too on the nose to get a half price litteral gold mine. But that's how they do it - transfer of assets held by oligarchs. You can see historically similar transactions: houses sold well below market prices etc. Sending cash through the banking system isn't generally a good idea when the recipient wants deniability as to the source.
Sam Adams Member	Tue May 07 14:23:42 "during the 15 years under a govt pursuing enthusiastically your proposed economic policies, and trying their best to appeal to people with your particular worldview." Yes seb, low skill immigration, high taxes, burdensome red tape are all obvious sam viewpoints. Lol daft.
Seb Member	Tue May 07 16:15:12 They cut red tape, cracked down on immigration, implemented a skills based assessment for visas. The problem is that not only do they adopt Sam policies, they also are Sam like in implementation, and so fail horribly and backfire.
Sam Adams Member	Wed May 08 09:55:44 "They cut red tape, cracked down on immigration, implemented a skills based assessment for visas." Every one of these is an obvious lie. And note seb doesnt even try to lie about taxes.
Sam Adams Member	Wed May 08 09:59:07 It is funny how sebs mismanagement of everything helped cause the UK to entirely miss the internet/smartphone business.
Sam Adams Member	Wed May 08 10:02:31 Oy yur gonna need a diversity license to code on that there smartphone mate.
Seb Member	Thu May 09 09:28:47 Sam: All of those things are true. The problem is the policies they have enacted did not result in the outcomes you think they ought to, because they were dumb policies that were obviously going to create adverse consequences. Like trying to "take back control" of the border by giving up control over the other side of the border. Even tax: they cut the headline rates, and then borrowed money to pay for the tax cuts, fuelling inflation, resulting in personal tax rising due to fiscal drag. Durpy durp Sammism enacted by Liz Truss. It's very Sam. And very Sam to try and say the problem is management of the implementation, but you forget that the big Sam policy of cutting civil servants and paying them shit means that all the good ones leave. Also, ultimately, ministers oversee the implementation and operation. This is the Sam version of tankies: communism works! It's just every communist country was doing it wrong!
Seb Member	Thu May 09 09:30:23 "Oh noes, this complex system is working the opposite way than my simplistic mind expected! The problem is the system, not my simple mindedness"
Seb Member	Thu May 09 09:48:23 Sam: "the UK to entirely miss the internet/smartphone business." If this is the case, why exactly do the FAANGs keep buying UK tech businesses and employing people here? I mean you are just making shit up in your own little deluded mind now.
Sam Adams Member	Thu May 09 23:10:31 "If this is the case, why exactly do the FAANGs keep buying UK tech businesses and employing people here?" No one touches UK tech. Theres no modern gear that anyone buys from the UK. Planes come from france/germany the US and Brazil. Computers come from korea and the US. Cars come from japan. Weapons come from the US. Mountain gear comes from italy france and the US. Boats come from korea. Cheap shit comes from china. Nothing comes from the UK. Thats why you are poorer than every US state, including the absolute shitholes. The last UK tech worth anything was tank armor from 40 years ago. "paying them shit means that all the good ones leave." Lol, now apply the same logic to taxes and red tape, and then imagine that of the 4 other primary english speaking countries all 4 have vastly superior climates/geography. What happens when your nation has absolutely nothing to offer? Where do all your nations skilled workers go? Your done. White trash, regret, and muslim rape gangs is your entire future.
Seb Member	Fri May 10 01:09:41 Lol. Sam's never heard of Arm.
Sam Adams Member	Fri May 10 09:34:36 Correct. Why would i have heard of some 4th rate british product? Pwnt.
Seb Member	Sat May 11 04:59:54 It's literally the most widely used technology architecture for processors in use. Your phone will have loads of chips manufactured in Taiwan using Arm licensed technology. Unless you are Amish, you will have probably a hundred products at least that are licensing Arm technology. If you've never heard of it, you don't know shit about tech.
Seb Member	Sat May 11 10:23:29 Own an iPad or iPhone Sam?
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