Utopia Talk / Politics / We may have to invade Mongolia

LazyCommunist Member	Fri Aug 23 11:26:33 We have to sell our natural gas to someone. As Europe is now only buying a fraction of the quantities it used to, China has to become our customer, whether it wants to or not. And the new pipeline to be built has to run through Mongolia. How can a dirty nation like Mongolia stand in the way? If we have to, our troops will take Ulaaaaaaaaaanbaaaaaaaaaatar in three days!!!!! http://www...a-omits-project-long-term-plan Future murky for Russia-China pipeline as Mongolia omits project from long-term plan Mongolia, essential to the Power of Siberia 2 gas pipeline, has left the project out of a long-term plan, suggesting work will be delayed Mongolia has not included the Power of Siberia 2 natural gas pipeline connecting Russia and China in its action programme through 2028, a decision interpreted by many as a shelving of the controversial project that could have provided Moscow with a financial lifeline as it grapples with sanctions and the ongoing war in Ukraine. The landlocked country would cover much of the proposed route for the 2,594km pipeline, necessitating its involvement in construction and transmission fee negotiations. The programme was announced last Friday by Mongolia’s “national unity” coalition government, whose three parties hold 118 out of 126 seats in the State Great Khural – the country’s parliament – following elections in June. Analysts attributed the hiatus to pricing disagreements between Beijing and Moscow as well as geopolitical factors, with concerns over secondary sanctions from Western countries levied against those seen as aiding Russia’s military in Ukraine. “We are entering a long pause, where Moscow no longer believes it can get the deal it wishes from Beijing and will probably park the project until better times,” said Munkhnaran Bayarlkhagva, a former official at the National Security Council of Mongolia. Bayarlkhagva said that Beijing may not be happy with Gazprom – Russia’s state energy giant – over a perception the company wishes to “unilaterally” control the Mongolian section of the pipeline. "Mongolia hopes to get investment from China and Russia, [but] Russia does not have the money and China is not in a rush to build" Li Lifan, Shanghai Academy of Social Sciences “This would have meant a sudden and long-term increase of Moscow’s influence in Mongolia, to the detriment of Beijing,” he said. “Though never explicitly verbalised, it would have been ‘fair’ to include the Chinese into the Mongolian section’s development from the beginning.” The pipeline – a project jointly overseen by the China National Petroleum Corporation (CNPC) and Gazprom – is expected to take at least five years to complete and would deliver 50 billion cubic metres (1.8 trillion cubic feet) of gas annually to China, much of which was originally set to supply European clients. CNPC reportedly asked for a price similar to Russia’s domestic market, according to Anna Kireeva, associate professor at the Moscow State Institute of International Relations. This request was “not suitable for Gazprom,” she said, because “great financial resources” will be demanded in the construction of the pipeline. “[These differences] can be overcome as the project is in the interests of both Russia and China, but the two sides should be ready for a healthy compromise,” Kireeva added. “It is difficult to make a prognosis on the further course of negotiations.” Li Lifan, a Russia and Central Asia specialist at the Shanghai Academy of Social Sciences, concurred. “Mongolia hopes to get investment from China and Russia, [but] Russia does not have the money and China is not in a rush to build the pipeline.” Russia needs customers for the supply generated by its Yamal gas field, which connects its territory with Poland and Germany through Belarus. After the outbreak of war in Ukraine and the subsequent cutting of most direct economic ties between Moscow and the West, China is the only buyer large enough to fill the gap. With Russia’s copious fossil fuel resources, energy is a major aspect of its economic relations - particularly with China, the recipient of 75.4 million tonnes of natural gas imports for the first seven months of the year. The fuel trade is expected to weigh heavily in discussions as Premier Li Qiang heads to Moscow on Tuesday for an official visit. Zhao Long, deputy director of the Institute for Global Governance Studies at the Shanghai Institutes for International Studies, said energy cooperation requires a weighing of “strategic values” between the two countries for Beijing, adding import diversification should be based on “a standard market benchmark”. “This project has a complementary nature for all three countries,” he added. “I believe a consensus will be reached on pricing and other technicalities. It won’t remain unsettled.” Mongolian president Ukhnaagiin Khurelsukh told his Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin at the July summit of the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation his country is waiting for Russia and China to move the pipeline forward, calling it a project “of importance to the economy”. Aleksei Chigadaev, a former visiting lecturer at the Higher School of Economics in Moscow, described the decision from Mongolia’s parliament as “sober” and “rational”, naming 2028 as “a reference point for further observation” of the project’s potential beginning.
Hrothgar Member	Tue Sep 03 10:18:08 Mongolia gov is limp and won't even arrest the genocidal war criminal Putin and instead lets him parade around like an honored guest.
murder Member	Tue Sep 03 13:50:32 Because that's what he is. World leaders don't just drop in.
Rugian Member	Tue Sep 03 14:31:01 A bit of a tangent, but if anyone's interested it turns out that Ulaaaaaaaaaanbaaaaaaaaaatar actually has full Streetview available on Google Maps. The enigmatic nomadic monastery town of the Mongols halfway across the globe, in a land that is inhospitable to those not practiced in the more ancient and barbarian customs of our species, where Genghis Khan and his legions of world-conquerers once trod, can now be seen up close from the comfort of your home. Turns out it looks just like any other Soviet-style shithole. Modernism has turned almost every city in the world into clones of each other, and made humanity more boring in the process. Ugh.
jergul large member	Tue Sep 03 17:38:59 Hrothgar Hyperbole much?
TheChildren Member	Sun Sep 08 05:54:11 aint nobody gonna listen 2 ur joke laws that apply 2 u but not 2 anyone else. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcrHS8N-X3E response says it all. it is sarcasm. sorry but yea not really lol is wut it says.
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