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murder
Member Mon Sep 02 07:38:34
Tens of thousands rally in Israel calling for hostage release deal

Tens of thousands of people have rallied across Israel after the bodies of six hostages held by Hamas in the Gaza Strip were recovered by soldiers, causing national outrage.

Protesters - many clad in Israeli flags - descended on Tel Aviv, Jerusalem and other cities, accusing PM Benjamin Netanyahu and his government of not doing enough to reach a deal to secure the release of the remaining hostages taken by Hamas during the 7 October attacks.

Sunday's protests were largely peaceful - but crowds broke through police lines, blocking a major highway in Tel Aviv.

This comes as a major Israeli labour union, Histadrut, called for a nationwide general strike on Monday, pressing for a hostage deal.

The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) said earlier that the six bodies were found on Saturday in an underground tunnel in the Rafah area of southern Gaza.

The hostages were identified as Carmel Gat, Eden Yerushalmi, Hersh Goldberg-Polin, Alexander Lobanov, Almog Sarusi and Master Sgt Ori Danino.

The IDF said they had been killed shortly before its troops reached them on Saturday.

This triggered Sunday's protests, with crowds accusing the government and Mr Netanyahu personally of failing to save the remaining hostages.

In Tel Aviv, protesters broke through police lines on to Ayalon Highway late on Sunday.

Some people scaled buses and bins to gain a vantage point over the march, while others surrounded someone wearing a mask of Mr Netanyahu, chanting: “Alive, alive, we want them alive.”

One demonstrator held a sign which read: "You are the head. You are to blame".

Crowds also chanted slogans including "policemen, policemen who are you protecting" and "shame, shame".

Some set fires on the road and draped yellow ribbons - a symbol of solidarity with the hostages.

Naama Lazimi, a Labor Party lawmaker, told the BBC she was lightly injured after police let off stun grenades and she fell down.

She described the protests as “significant and important”. but said the “question is what happens tomorrow”.

Among the protesters was Eli Shtivi, whose son Idan is being held hostage in Gaza.

“We hope that those who make the decisions will wake up,” he told the BBC. “We don’t have time any more.”

He said people from all strands of Israeli society took part in Sunday's rallies, united in wanting the hostages returned.

“I miss my child so much. All the families are kind of hostages too,” Mr Shtivi said.

Noga Burkman, another demonstrator in Tel Aviv, told the BBC she "couldn't stay at home any more".

"People understand that now we need to break the rules and do something," she said, adding that "tonight is just the beginning".

Elsewhere, in the city itself, the gathering saw a diverse mix of protesters, with one group of young scouts leading chants.

In Jerusalem, a massive crowd of demonstrators gathered outside the prime minister's office.

One 50-year-old man told the BBC that the demonstrations were far bigger than any previous ones. "It’s a totally different game today," he said. "A different scale to anything before."

Among those present at the protests in Tel Aviv was 24-year-old Yotam Peer, whose 21-year-old brother was killed on 7 October in the Hamas attacks. He told the BBC: "After we heard about the six hostages, we couldn’t be silent any more. It’s really important. We don’t have a choice any more."

Local media reported that opposition leader Yair Lapid was present. The former prime minister, who leads the Yesh Atid party, earlier backed calls for a mass strike to force Mr Netanyahu into a deal over the release of the hostages.

Calling the general strike, union leader Arnon Bar-David said: "We must reach a deal. A deal is more important than anything else."

He added: "We are getting body bags instead of a deal."

Families of the hostages have been pushing for a nationwide strike as part of efforts to get a ceasefire agreement between Mr Netanyahu's government and Hamas for weeks.

The Hostages Families Forum said that the six captives, whose bodies were recovered by Israeli military, were "murdered in the last few days, after surviving almost 11 months of abuse, torture and starvation in Hamas captivity".

"The delay in signing the deal has led to their deaths and those of many other hostages," it said.

The prime minister said he was committed to securing a deal that releases the remaining captives and protects the country's security. But he said: "Whoever murders hostages does not want a deal."

The far-right Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich was quick to condemn the general strike, claiming that it represented "the interests of Hamas".

But others have come forward in support. Tel Aviv's Mayor Ron Huldai announced that the city's municipal workers were free to join Monday's strike "as a sign of solidarity with the abductees and their families".

It is not clear how many hostages remain in Gaza. Hamas kidnapped 251 people and killed 1,200 others during an attack in southern Israel on 7 October 2023.

Israel launched a retaliatory military campaign against Hamas in Gaza. More than 40,530 people have been killed there since 7 October, according to the territory's Hamas-run health ministry.

http://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cze5x793569o

murder
Member Mon Sep 02 07:40:08

These fucking dirty hippies will do anything to take down Netanyahu. They will even threaten Israeli national security and surrender to the terrorists.

Rugian
Member Mon Sep 02 07:51:36
Yeah, this is actual insanity. Hamas terrorists murder a bunch of Israeli hostages, so who is to blame? Why, Israel of course!

Pretty much sums up the entire anti-Israel cadre in a nutshell.

Paramount
Member Mon Sep 02 08:54:58
Netanyahu refuses to approve a cease fire in order to release some jews.

But he can approve a cease fire so that Hamas can be vaccinated for Polio.

This is actual insanity that Israel has a PM who hates jews and loves Hamas.

jergul
large member Mon Sep 02 08:58:52
Netanyahu's political career ends with a deal. That is what the fighting is about now. Keeping him in power.

IDF professionals are pretty clear on not wanting to expand the conflict to Hezbollah in a major way and that nothing more can be gained against Hamas.

Paramount
Member Mon Sep 02 09:00:56
"Hamas terrorists murder a bunch of Israeli hostages"

Israel has already murdered a bunch of its own people who has been prisoners of Hamas. It is likely that the prisoners they found dead in a tunnel now, was also killed by Israel. I can imagine how it actually was: Israeli terrorists enter the tunnel. They hear something in the tunnel up ahead and start to shoot. When it is silent they advance and find the dead prisoners that they just killed.

murder
Member Mon Sep 02 11:07:51

"IDF professionals are pretty clear on not wanting to expand the conflict to Hezbollah in a major way and that nothing more can be gained against Hamas."

If there are still members of Hamas there, then there is more to be gained.

jergul
large member Mon Sep 02 11:21:00
Hamas recruitment is by far outpacing Israeli kill rates. Oddly, it seems a population gets upset when you bomb it to shit.

Rugian
Member Mon Sep 02 11:34:33
SS recruitment is by far outpacing Allied kill rates. Oddly, it seems a population gets upset when you bomb it to shit.

-Quisling jergul

Rugian
Member Mon Sep 02 11:51:27
But point taken jergul. In order for the Palestinian people to be able to join the civilized world, they must first be absolutely defeated militarily and forced into unconditional surrender, extended occupation, and ideological reorientation that involves the explicit rejection of everything they previously believed in.

Anything less is a half measure that merely kicks the can down the road.

jergul
large member Mon Sep 02 11:54:17
Ruggy
You are such a drama queen. Point being that Murder cannot kill his way to eliminating Hamas. Though there is always extermination as the final solution to the Palestinian question of course.

jergul
large member Mon Sep 02 11:57:59
Ruggy
I definitely agree that Israel should physically occupy Gaza for a very long period of time.

Rugian
Member Mon Sep 02 12:22:13
"Point being that Murder cannot kill his way to eliminating Hamas."

Wrong. It just requires more death and devastation than the Harris-Biden administration is willing to greenlight.

Rugian
Member Mon Sep 02 12:30:23
Aka what you are supposed to do in a war.

murder
Member Mon Sep 02 13:57:49

"Hamas recruitment is by far outpacing Israeli kill rates. Oddly, it seems a population gets upset when you bomb it to shit."

There's an easy solution to that. Kill more. Kill faster. Eventually you get to zero.

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murder Member	Mon Sep 02 07:38:34 Tens of thousands rally in Israel calling for hostage release deal Tens of thousands of people have rallied across Israel after the bodies of six hostages held by Hamas in the Gaza Strip were recovered by soldiers, causing national outrage. Protesters - many clad in Israeli flags - descended on Tel Aviv, Jerusalem and other cities, accusing PM Benjamin Netanyahu and his government of not doing enough to reach a deal to secure the release of the remaining hostages taken by Hamas during the 7 October attacks. Sunday's protests were largely peaceful - but crowds broke through police lines, blocking a major highway in Tel Aviv. This comes as a major Israeli labour union, Histadrut, called for a nationwide general strike on Monday, pressing for a hostage deal. The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) said earlier that the six bodies were found on Saturday in an underground tunnel in the Rafah area of southern Gaza. The hostages were identified as Carmel Gat, Eden Yerushalmi, Hersh Goldberg-Polin, Alexander Lobanov, Almog Sarusi and Master Sgt Ori Danino. The IDF said they had been killed shortly before its troops reached them on Saturday. This triggered Sunday's protests, with crowds accusing the government and Mr Netanyahu personally of failing to save the remaining hostages. In Tel Aviv, protesters broke through police lines on to Ayalon Highway late on Sunday. Some people scaled buses and bins to gain a vantage point over the march, while others surrounded someone wearing a mask of Mr Netanyahu, chanting: “Alive, alive, we want them alive.” One demonstrator held a sign which read: "You are the head. You are to blame". Crowds also chanted slogans including "policemen, policemen who are you protecting" and "shame, shame". Some set fires on the road and draped yellow ribbons - a symbol of solidarity with the hostages. Naama Lazimi, a Labor Party lawmaker, told the BBC she was lightly injured after police let off stun grenades and she fell down. She described the protests as “significant and important”. but said the “question is what happens tomorrow”. Among the protesters was Eli Shtivi, whose son Idan is being held hostage in Gaza. “We hope that those who make the decisions will wake up,” he told the BBC. “We don’t have time any more.” He said people from all strands of Israeli society took part in Sunday's rallies, united in wanting the hostages returned. “I miss my child so much. All the families are kind of hostages too,” Mr Shtivi said. Noga Burkman, another demonstrator in Tel Aviv, told the BBC she "couldn't stay at home any more". "People understand that now we need to break the rules and do something," she said, adding that "tonight is just the beginning". Elsewhere, in the city itself, the gathering saw a diverse mix of protesters, with one group of young scouts leading chants. In Jerusalem, a massive crowd of demonstrators gathered outside the prime minister's office. One 50-year-old man told the BBC that the demonstrations were far bigger than any previous ones. "It’s a totally different game today," he said. "A different scale to anything before." Among those present at the protests in Tel Aviv was 24-year-old Yotam Peer, whose 21-year-old brother was killed on 7 October in the Hamas attacks. He told the BBC: "After we heard about the six hostages, we couldn’t be silent any more. It’s really important. We don’t have a choice any more." Local media reported that opposition leader Yair Lapid was present. The former prime minister, who leads the Yesh Atid party, earlier backed calls for a mass strike to force Mr Netanyahu into a deal over the release of the hostages. Calling the general strike, union leader Arnon Bar-David said: "We must reach a deal. A deal is more important than anything else." He added: "We are getting body bags instead of a deal." Families of the hostages have been pushing for a nationwide strike as part of efforts to get a ceasefire agreement between Mr Netanyahu's government and Hamas for weeks. The Hostages Families Forum said that the six captives, whose bodies were recovered by Israeli military, were "murdered in the last few days, after surviving almost 11 months of abuse, torture and starvation in Hamas captivity". "The delay in signing the deal has led to their deaths and those of many other hostages," it said. The prime minister said he was committed to securing a deal that releases the remaining captives and protects the country's security. But he said: "Whoever murders hostages does not want a deal." The far-right Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich was quick to condemn the general strike, claiming that it represented "the interests of Hamas". But others have come forward in support. Tel Aviv's Mayor Ron Huldai announced that the city's municipal workers were free to join Monday's strike "as a sign of solidarity with the abductees and their families". It is not clear how many hostages remain in Gaza. Hamas kidnapped 251 people and killed 1,200 others during an attack in southern Israel on 7 October 2023. Israel launched a retaliatory military campaign against Hamas in Gaza. More than 40,530 people have been killed there since 7 October, according to the territory's Hamas-run health ministry. http://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cze5x793569o
murder Member	Mon Sep 02 07:40:08 These fucking dirty hippies will do anything to take down Netanyahu. They will even threaten Israeli national security and surrender to the terrorists.
Rugian Member	Mon Sep 02 07:51:36 Yeah, this is actual insanity. Hamas terrorists murder a bunch of Israeli hostages, so who is to blame? Why, Israel of course! Pretty much sums up the entire anti-Israel cadre in a nutshell.
Paramount Member	Mon Sep 02 08:54:58 Netanyahu refuses to approve a cease fire in order to release some jews. But he can approve a cease fire so that Hamas can be vaccinated for Polio. This is actual insanity that Israel has a PM who hates jews and loves Hamas.
jergul large member	Mon Sep 02 08:58:52 Netanyahu's political career ends with a deal. That is what the fighting is about now. Keeping him in power. IDF professionals are pretty clear on not wanting to expand the conflict to Hezbollah in a major way and that nothing more can be gained against Hamas.
Paramount Member	Mon Sep 02 09:00:56 "Hamas terrorists murder a bunch of Israeli hostages" Israel has already murdered a bunch of its own people who has been prisoners of Hamas. It is likely that the prisoners they found dead in a tunnel now, was also killed by Israel. I can imagine how it actually was: Israeli terrorists enter the tunnel. They hear something in the tunnel up ahead and start to shoot. When it is silent they advance and find the dead prisoners that they just killed.
murder Member	Mon Sep 02 11:07:51 "IDF professionals are pretty clear on not wanting to expand the conflict to Hezbollah in a major way and that nothing more can be gained against Hamas." If there are still members of Hamas there, then there is more to be gained.
jergul large member	Mon Sep 02 11:21:00 Hamas recruitment is by far outpacing Israeli kill rates. Oddly, it seems a population gets upset when you bomb it to shit.
Rugian Member	Mon Sep 02 11:34:33 SS recruitment is by far outpacing Allied kill rates. Oddly, it seems a population gets upset when you bomb it to shit. -Quisling jergul
Rugian Member	Mon Sep 02 11:51:27 But point taken jergul. In order for the Palestinian people to be able to join the civilized world, they must first be absolutely defeated militarily and forced into unconditional surrender, extended occupation, and ideological reorientation that involves the explicit rejection of everything they previously believed in. Anything less is a half measure that merely kicks the can down the road.
jergul large member	Mon Sep 02 11:54:17 Ruggy You are such a drama queen. Point being that Murder cannot kill his way to eliminating Hamas. Though there is always extermination as the final solution to the Palestinian question of course.
jergul large member	Mon Sep 02 11:57:59 Ruggy I definitely agree that Israel should physically occupy Gaza for a very long period of time.
Rugian Member	Mon Sep 02 12:22:13 "Point being that Murder cannot kill his way to eliminating Hamas." Wrong. It just requires more death and devastation than the Harris-Biden administration is willing to greenlight.
Rugian Member	Mon Sep 02 12:30:23 Aka what you are supposed to do in a war.
murder Member	Mon Sep 02 13:57:49 "Hamas recruitment is by far outpacing Israeli kill rates. Oddly, it seems a population gets upset when you bomb it to shit." There's an easy solution to that. Kill more. Kill faster. Eventually you get to zero.
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