Utopia Talk / Politics / ring ring hezbollah

Sam Adams Member	Tue Sep 17 08:52:58 Mossad on the line. AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
murder Member	Tue Sep 17 09:39:49 Who'd they kill now? :o)
murder Member	Tue Sep 17 09:40:31 Holy crap! lol :o)
murder Member	Tue Sep 17 09:41:27 Hezbollah members wounded in Lebanon when pagers explode BEIRUT, Sept 17 (Reuters) - More than 1,000 people, including Hezbollah fighters and medics, were wounded on Tuesday when the pagers they use to communicate exploded across Lebanon, security sources told Reuters. A Hezbollah official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said the detonation of the pagers was the "biggest security breach" the group had been subjected to in nearly a year of war with Israel. Israel and the Iran-backed Hezbollah have been engaged in cross-border warfare since the Gaza war erupted last October, the worst such escalation in years. The Israeli military declined to comment on Reuters enquiries about the detonations. Iran's Mehr news agency said the Iranian ambassador to Lebanon, Mojtaba Amani, was injured by one of the blasts. Reuters could not immediately confirm the report. A Reuters journalist saw ambulances rushing through the southern suburbs of the capital Beirut, a Hezbollah stronghold, amid widespread panic. A security source said that devices were also exploding in the south of Lebanon. At Mt. Lebanon hospital, a Reuters reporter saw motorcycles rushing to the emergency room, where people with their hands bloodied were screaming in pain. The head of the Nabatieh public hospital in the south of the country, Hassan Wazni, told Reuters that around 40 wounded people were being treated at his facility. The wounds included injuries to the face, eyes and limbs. The wave of explosions lasted around an hour after the initial detonations, which took place about 3:45 p.m. local time (1345 GMT). It was not immediately clear how the devices were detonated. Lebanese internal security forces said a number of wireless communication devices were detonated across Lebanon, especially in Beirut's southern suburbs, leading to injuries. Groups of people huddled at the entrance of buildings to check on people they knew who may have been wounded, the Reuters journalist said. Regional broadcasters carrying CCTV footage which showed what appeared to be a small handheld device placed next to a grocery store cashier where an individual was paying spontaneously exploding. In other footage, an explosion appeared to knock out someone standing at a fruit stand at a market area. Lebanon’s crisis operations center, which is run by the health ministry, asked all medical workers to head to their respective hospitals to help cope with the massive numbers of wounded coming into for urgent care. It said health care workers should not use pagers. The Lebanese Red Cross said more than 50 ambulances and 300 emergency medical staff were dispatched to assist in the evacuation of victims. Hezbollah fired missiles at Israel immediately after the Oct. 7 attacks by Hamas gunmen on Israel. Hezbollah and Israel have been exchanging fire constantly ever since, while avoiding a major escalation as war rages in Gaza to the south. Tens of thousands of people have been displaced from towns and villages on both sides of the border by the hostilities. http://www...-sources-witnesses-2024-09-17/
murder Member	Tue Sep 17 09:42:34 BEIRUT, Sept 17 (Reuters) - More than 1,000 people, including Hezbollah fighters and medics, were wounded on Tuesday when the pagers they use to communicate exploded across Lebanon, security sources told Reuters. A Hezbollah official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said the detonation of the pagers was the "biggest security breach" the group had been subjected to in nearly a year of war with Israel. Israel and the Iran-backed Hezbollah have been engaged in cross-border warfare since the Gaza war erupted last October, the worst such escalation in years. The Israeli military declined to comment on Reuters enquiries about the detonations. Iran's Mehr news agency said the Iranian ambassador to Lebanon, Mojtaba Amani, was injured by one of the blasts. Reuters could not immediately confirm the report. A Reuters journalist saw ambulances rushing through the southern suburbs of the capital Beirut, a Hezbollah stronghold, amid widespread panic. A security source said that devices were also exploding in the south of Lebanon. At Mt. Lebanon hospital, a Reuters reporter saw motorcycles rushing to the emergency room, where people with their hands bloodied were screaming in pain. The head of the Nabatieh public hospital in the south of the country, Hassan Wazni, told Reuters that around 40 wounded people were being treated at his facility. The wounds included injuries to the face, eyes and limbs. The wave of explosions lasted around an hour after the initial detonations, which took place about 3:45 p.m. local time (1345 GMT). It was not immediately clear how the devices were detonated. Lebanese internal security forces said a number of wireless communication devices were detonated across Lebanon, especially in Beirut's southern suburbs, leading to injuries. Groups of people huddled at the entrance of buildings to check on people they knew who may have been wounded, the Reuters journalist said. Regional broadcasters carrying CCTV footage which showed what appeared to be a small handheld device placed next to a grocery store cashier where an individual was paying spontaneously exploding. In other footage, an explosion appeared to knock out someone standing at a fruit stand at a market area. Lebanon’s crisis operations center, which is run by the health ministry, asked all medical workers to head to their respective hospitals to help cope with the massive numbers of wounded coming into for urgent care. It said health care workers should not use pagers. The Lebanese Red Cross said more than 50 ambulances and 300 emergency medical staff were dispatched to assist in the evacuation of victims. Hezbollah fired missiles at Israel immediately after the Oct. 7 attacks by Hamas gunmen on Israel. Hezbollah and Israel have been exchanging fire constantly ever since, while avoiding a major escalation as war rages in Gaza to the south. Tens of thousands of people have been displaced from towns and villages on both sides of the border by the hostilities. http://www...-sources-witnesses-2024-09-17/
Sam Adams Member	Tue Sep 17 09:47:47 Iranian ambassador had a hezzbollah phone...
murder Member	Tue Sep 17 09:53:16 That's a shame. :o)
murder Member	Tue Sep 17 09:54:30 Somebody should check in on Allahuakbar to make sure he's OK. ;o)
Rugian Member	Tue Sep 17 10:03:44 Seb and Paramount are on suicide watch today. Oops.
Sam Adams Member	Tue Sep 17 12:28:18 Footage shows hospitals in Lebanon utterly flooded with blown off hands/fingers, face wounds, missing eyes, and especially holes in hips. 1000s must have been hit. Injury scale generally serious to borderline fatal. This may be the single greatest covert attack in human history. The ownage is massive.
Sam Adams Member	Tue Sep 17 12:35:41 Strategic failure in not immediatly launching a ground campaign to blast out a buffer zone though.
murder Member	Tue Sep 17 13:29:21 "This may be the single greatest covert attack in human history." It may be.
murder Member	Tue Sep 17 13:32:09 Exploding pagers belonging to Hezbollah kill 8 and injure more than 2,700 in Lebanon The Iran-backed militant group said handheld communication devices belonging to its members had blown up across the country. The militant group Hezbollah said Tuesday that pagers belonging to its members had blown up across Lebanon, killing at least eight and injuring more than 2,700, according to the country’s Health Ministry. Iran-backed Hezbollah pinned the blame for the widespread and seemingly simultaneous blasts on Israel, without providing evidence for its claim. Israel did not immediately respond to requests for comment on the accusations and the pager explosions. More than 200 people were in critical condition after the blasts, Public Health Minister Dr. Firas Abiad told reporters. Amid what was developing into a nationwide health emergency, Lebanese officials ordered the public to avoid using handheld communication devices. Mojtaba Amani, Iran’s ambassador to Lebanon, was among those injured, according to the country’s embassy. In an post on X, it described his injuries as “superficial,” and added that Amani was in a good condition. Hezbollah said in its own statement that explosions had killed "a girl and two brothers." It added that the blasts had come from pagers belonging to “employees in various Hezbollah units and institutions.” One of those killed was Muhammad Mahdi, the son of Ali Ammar, a Hezbollah member of the Parliament, according to the National News Agency, which is state run. Hezbollah says it has handed out pagers to members, many of whom stopped using cellphones out of fear that Israel could use the devices to track and monitor them. “The ministry requests all citizens who own wireless communication devices to stay away from them until the truth of what is happening is revealed,” the Health Ministry said, according to NNA. It was unclear whether the explosions were part of a coordinated attack, which would represent a significant security breach for Hezbollah. Matt Miller, a State Department spokesperson, told reporters at a briefing that the U.S. hadn't been aware of the "incident" in advance and was "gathering information" about the detonations. Lebanon's Red Cross said it had deployed 130 ambulances to respond to explosion injuries, with an additional 170 vehicles on standby. The country's civil emergency authority urged citizens to donate blood at hospitals "as soon as possible," state news reported. The news agency Reuters reported that dozens of Hezbollah members were seriously wounded in Lebanon’s south and in the southern suburbs of the country’s capital, Beirut. A Reuters journalist saw 10 Hezbollah members bleeding from wounds in the Beirut suburb of Dahiyeh, the agency said. It was unclear how many civilians had been affected. As of late Tuesday afternoon local time, no one had taken responsibility for the explosions, some of which appeared to have been captured on CCTV video and shared on social media. In a second statement, Hezbollah said it had reviewed “all the facts” and information and held Israel responsible for the explosions, which occurred a day after Israel announced a new war objective, fueling fears of a new military offensive in Lebanon. Lebanon’s Foreign Ministry condemned what it called an “Israeli cyber attack,” adding that it would submit a complaint about the detonations to the U.N. Security Council. “This dangerous and deliberate Israeli escalation is accompanied by Israeli threats to expand the scope of the war towards Lebanon on a large scale, and the intransigence of Israeli positions calling for more bloodshed, destruction and devastation,” it said in a statement. Israel has warned the United States, its closest ally, that “military action” would likely be the only way to address mounting hostilities with Hezbollah. Late Monday, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s office announced that his security Cabinet had updated its list of war objectives to include the safe return of residents who have been displaced from their homes near the northern border due to months of fighting with Hezbollah. “Israel will continue to act to implement this objective,” the prime minister’s office said. Thousands of people have been displaced on both sides of the Israel-Lebanon border in the months since Israel began an offensive in Gaza began following the Hamas-led Oct. 7 terrorist attacks. Hezbollah has vowed to continue attacks until Israel’s assault on Gaza ends. Israeli tensions with Hezbollah, a powerful militia and political party that formed in 1986 and rose to power after Israel invaded southern Lebanon in pursuit of Palestinian Liberation Organization fighters, spiralled during the war in Gaza. Last month, Israel struck Lebanon with what it said were pre-emptive strikes to prevent plans by Hezbollah to launch a widespread assault across the countries' shared border. The attacks came weeks after a top Hezbollah commander, Fouad Shukur, was assassinated by Israel. Hezbollah sought revenge in by launching a drone attack on Israel's Glilot base, which is near Tel Aviv. International diplomats, particularly those from the U.S. and France, have been working for months to de-escalate the conflict between Hezbollah and Israel in an effort to contain the war in Gaza. http://www...on-handheld-devices-rcna171457
murder Member	Tue Sep 17 13:32:26 Respect! :o)
murder Member	Tue Sep 17 13:35:57 "Strategic failure in not immediatly launching a ground campaign to blast out a buffer zone though." It is, but Biden would never allow it. He'd start cutting aid because he's obsessed with keeping the war from expanding.
Sam Adams Member	Tue Sep 17 14:02:58 Biden is a fucking twofaced soft loser.
Rugian Member	Tue Sep 17 15:44:28 Mossad HQ right now: http://m.y...rZdPfA&pp=ygUMSmV3cyBkYW5jaW5n
Hrothgar Member	Tue Sep 17 15:48:14 Wow, how the hell long were they setting this up?? Can't imagine this being faster than a 5-year setup unless they were in on some mass pager rotation schedule.
Chinese Democracy Member	Tue Sep 17 16:16:40 Has there been a recall yet?
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Tue Sep 17 16:23:54 "they were in on some mass pager rotation schedule" They had indeed recently switched to pagers for... ehm... security reasons. Hats off to Mossad, the things they have been pulling off recently.
murder Member	Tue Sep 17 16:59:03 "Has there been a recall yet?" I wish I'd posted that. lol :o)
Sam Adams Member	Tue Sep 17 17:02:45 How did this plan possibly work. They got a couple thousand hezzies to carry secret portable bombs and not a single one went off early or was dropped or was otherwise detected.
Sam Adams Member	Tue Sep 17 17:04:35 There was definetly a mossad agent who was like there is no way this clown plan could ever work, dont even try, even hezbollah isnt that retarded.
Rugian Member	Tue Sep 17 17:08:14 This is actual supervillain shit. This is Walter White hitting the ten guys in prison. This is Bane detonating all of the bridges of Gotham. This is Palpatine executing Order 66. This was a James Bond-tier over the top move. I fucking love it.
Chinese Democracy Member	Tue Sep 17 17:32:44 "How did this plan possibly work. They got a couple thousand hezzies to carry secret portable bombs and not a single one went off early or was dropped or was otherwise detected. Sam Adams Member Tue Sep 17 17:04:35 There was definetly a mossad agent who was like there is no way this clown plan could ever work, dont even try, even hezbollah isnt that retarded." A couple of things, Israel, historically have made explosive smart devices (phones). Hezbollah and the like started using pagers as they thought they would be more secure, versus using smartphones. Israel has been waiting to execute this plane. And unofficially Israel told the US they were behind this sophisticated attack.
Sam Adams Member	Tue Sep 17 19:36:53 http://pbs...gAAQHsB?format=jpg&name=medium Yo ahkmad is your pager fucking up look at this message i just got. Tel aviv number too.
earthpig GTFO HOer	Tue Sep 17 23:17:13 This was insanely impressive, and at the same time dumbassery on Hezbolla's part. "Can't imagine this being faster than a 5-year setup unless they were in on some mass pager rotation schedule." The random articles I was clicking on while putting the kiddos to bed said that a European company requested to, and was approved to, start manufacturing the pagers under the Taiwanese company's brand about 3 years ago. So, filling in the blanks, the Hezbollah dudes were in the market for some pagers, made sure not to use a Western company to buy them, and the European company (presumably laying groundwork ~2 years ago) had positioned itself to be ready to be the best deal for a bulk pager order, with a packaged service plan or whatever serving Lebanon, and the Taiwanese company was like "uh I don't see how these prices make sense, but hey we get a cut of each one sold, we're not the ones taking the price hit, so whatever, here you are Mr. Lebanese Front Company, here's pricing for your 2800 pagers + the service plan." They probably showed up correctly marked as "made in the EU" but at that point the purchase was done and they decided to distribute them anyways. I'm curious to know the details about how the assembly was done. Pagers shipped to Israel, some secret (re)assembly line, then shipped back to Europe? Etc. Who the fuck orders 2700 pagers at once? It would be a provincial/state/regional/national hospital system, or Hezbollah. I can't think of who else, but it's not a long list. You could process of elimination out that "if it's not these guys or those guys or those guys, it's got to be hezbollah." However, this does likely mean there's other batches of pagers floating around the ME with Israeli explosives on them. It also means that middle aged men missing fingers, trying to enter various areas through various border crossings, will likely be denied the right to cross, even if their paperwork appears to be in order.
earthpig GTFO HOer	Tue Sep 17 23:20:54 "How did this plan possibly work. They got a couple thousand hezzies to carry secret portable bombs and not a single one went off early or was dropped or was otherwise detected." I mean... not a single one of the Hezbollah dudes brought their pager through an airport that had bomb sniffing dogs about over this 3-4 month period? And then contacted HQ and said "hey uh so that pager you guys gave me set off the bomb sniffing dog... what's up with that?" The "it didn't explode when dropped" does not surprise me. Rugian, it doesn't happen often, but I agree with your sentiment. This is amazing.
Sam Adams Member	Tue Sep 17 23:33:18 Its not so much that it would go off... but would break, get taken apart, tried to fix, etc. And then awkward questions get asked about why theres a wierd looking second battery with suspicious wiring.
Sam Adams Member	Tue Sep 17 23:38:45 Unless... maybe the explosive is a filler inside the case... make it look like some sort of foam waterproofing or shock absorber. A hezzbollah might even take it apart, think it looks normal, then put it back together.
earthpig GTFO HOer	Tue Sep 17 23:50:36 I'm sure it's not a TNT-stick shaped thing that says "ACME Explosives" on the inside, yes you just mold it around the internal components. It looks in place, you don't question it, like the guys holding a ladder walking past the receptionist in a business. But, honestly, modern cell phones aren't easily taken apart, you don't fix them, you throw it out and buy a new one. Why would modern pagers be any different? Dang it, amazon dot com, ruining ALL THE FUN as always: "Amazon has noticed unusual reviewing activity on this product. Due to this activity, we have limited this product to verified purchase reviews." For Gold Apollo pagers. AR924 was the model name.
Paramount Member	Tue Sep 17 23:52:42 They likely don’t have bomb sniffing dogs.
earthpig GTFO HOer	Tue Sep 17 23:53:38 The pager required that you install vendor-provided software onto your windows computer, from a vendor provided thumb drive, to work! WHO DO WE KNOW THAT LIKES TO SNEAK SHIT ONTO OTHERWISE SECURE COMPUTERS VIA THUMB DRIVE. HMMMMMM Mossad isn't done yet. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jzDHm68Wio
earthpig GTFO HOer	Wed Sep 18 00:01:24 I'm not going to download any of Mossad's software to my computer, but would anyone like to volunteer to download the AR924 software, the software for the other pagers, and compare them? And/or I'll wait for someone to compare that downloaded software to what comes in the thumb drive that comes with the Apollo Gold AR924 if you purchased it from the ME.
Paramount Member	Wed Sep 18 00:08:20 Why not? Are you an anti-semite? Btw, mossad already have backdoor access to your devices.
Sam Adams Member	Wed Sep 18 09:59:54 A second round of explosions are now blowing up mossads backup radios in their pockets.
Sam Adams Member	Wed Sep 18 10:00:51 Unreal. Can you imagine watching your friends blow up and then NOT CHECKING YOUR NEW BATCH OF RADIOS
murder Member	Wed Sep 18 10:28:56 These people have to be the stupidest terrorists of all time. TVs next. lol :o)
Sam Adams Member	Wed Sep 18 10:34:35 AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Rugian Member	Wed Sep 18 10:37:43 Double tapped bitches! ROFL
Sam Adams Member	Wed Sep 18 11:28:26 I havent seen a geostrategic owning this bad since chernobyl. Maybe since the moon landing. Possibly since Nagasaki.
murder Member	Wed Sep 18 13:18:15 Seriously, what next? Their AirPods?
Forwyn Member	Wed Sep 18 14:02:54 Imagine being a Hezzie recruiter. Man's gonna have people hiding from him for the rest of his life
Rugian Member	Wed Sep 18 14:13:19 Is anyone else now starting to feel slightly paranoid about their phones though? I mean, when literally anything can be a bomb...
Jewgle Member	Wed Sep 18 14:18:01 And I'm back baby!
Jewgle Member	Wed Sep 18 14:18:46 You could say they've been jewgled
murder Member	Wed Sep 18 14:24:15 "Is anyone else now starting to feel slightly paranoid about their phones though?" Maybe CC ... but she was paranoid anyway.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Wed Sep 18 16:21:53 Listening to the Islamic Republic's own analysts, people with first-hand knowledge and connections within the security apparatus, we all know that things happen inside Iran that nobody ever hears about. Here are two events that these analysts give some details about: an Iranian pipeline was sabotaged in two places within the last 11 months. **Within the last 30 days, Israel conducted an operation inside Iran, the Islamic Republic had KIAs, and Israel got away with intel.** And this was not the Haniyeh assassination! The operation in Masiyaf, Syria last week, resulted in 2 hostages being taken, along with intel. The man in the white shirt with glasses goes on to say that this is all part of a strategy. Had it not been for a person I knew working within intelligence, I wouldn't have known either. The grey-haired guy (a security analyst for the regime) with glasses expands on this, explaining that Israel knows the Islamic Republic can't lose face with its own people. It's the same Israeli deniability principle that has been their policy forever: they fist you behind the stairs, but do it in a way that allows you to keep smiling and pretend like nothing happened. God knows what else has been going on—there have been many deaths from "gas explosions" in Iran and at IRGC missile test sites. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEEYe03o1ro It's in Persian, but it's there. These guys are spilling some of this stuff out of sheer frustration. They oppose the regime's censorship on how bad things are going. Their delusion sets in when they think that if more people knew, things would somehow be different. Now, going back to a thread I had with Seb, explaining that whatever red lines people are imagining, the Islamic Republic is willing to tolerate much more. I'll be the first to say that even I underestimated how much the Islamic Republic was willing to take it and stay quiet. But the spirit of what I was saying is still true—the Islamic Republic is not going to enter a broader war unless it's an existential threat, certainly not because of something their proxies are doing. Things have deteriorated quite a lot since last year, though. The IRGC finally showed their hand with that missile attack, and it was empty. Consider that the Haniyeh assassination in the heart of Tehran came *after* that attack. It’s not something Israel would have done if they were truly afraid of IRGC missile capabilities. And no revenge for Haniyeh has come because the IRGC knows their missiles failed to perform as expected. They've been testing non-stop to improve, but launching another strike would be pointless at this point. Oh, and the IRGC still doesn’t actually know 100% how Israel took out the S300 radar in Isfahan in response to the missile/drone attack. All of this information comes directly from analysts within the Islamic Republic. I have, on occasion, mentioned on UP that I've been shocked by the level of honesty from some of these people. These are fairly young idealists, you know—they just can't hide their disappointment anymore.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Wed Sep 18 16:27:53 Israel troops are moving north. Invasion of Lebanon is imminent.
Sam Adams Member	Wed Sep 18 16:47:34 It would be very logical to start a general offensive after a successful decap strike. But... biden/harris regime is seb/neville level pussies, and there are rumors that the troop movement is normal rotation. Then again the israeli parliament is talking about war authority in the north. But... the israeli leadership always talks alot. So i have no clue whats going on, but if there is to be war in the north that time is now.
Rugian Member	Wed Sep 18 16:58:32 nim Thanks for the insight and analysis.
murder Member	Wed Sep 18 16:58:40 It would be a bad idea for Israel to open a second front while they don't have US backing. Egypt and Jordan are half terrorists themselves, right on Israel's border, and may decide the time is right to give it another try.
Rugian Member	Wed Sep 18 17:07:10 Yeah, the timing of this seems really off if they are planning to go in. Our stupid fucking leadership has made it crystal clear that they care more about getting the votes of Muslims in Minnesota than giving Israel any support. You'd think that Israel would want to hold out under the orange man hopefully gets back into office and only *then* go.
murder Member	Wed Sep 18 17:24:01 I wonder if Amal Clooney has been checking her messages. ;o)
Sam Adams Member	Wed Sep 18 18:34:56 Israel doesnt need US support to goatfuck hezzbollah though
earthpig GTFO HOer	Wed Sep 18 18:40:19 Good info nim ty
Chinese Democracy Member	Wed Sep 18 18:49:58 You won't believe this, but Radio Shack shares have gone up 1000%
Chinese Democracy Member	Wed Sep 18 18:50:54 "I wish I'd posted that. lol :o)" I have more. ;-)
murder Member	Wed Sep 18 20:04:24 Hezbollah tomorrow ... http://med...e-sam-tiny-toon-adventures.gif
Asgard Member	Thu Sep 19 01:03:16 Israel won’t invade Lebanon, the government has zero backing from the people as they see through netanyahu’s Machiavellian politics. And so do the Americans. Unless Lebanon does something stupid. Anyway, turns out the pagers were bought by Hizballah from Mossad, who set up a front company especially to lure them in, all the way back in 2022. That is hilarious
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Thu Sep 19 05:15:38 “Sixty-two percent of Jewish Israelis support an attack on Hezbollah in Lebanon with “full force,” a Jewish People Policy Institute survey revealed, with 36% of these respondents supporting an immediate attack and 26% an attack only after the operation in Gaza.“ Not sure if we are disagreeing over the word “invasion”. But whatever “full force” means. Believe in yourself Asgard :-)
Asgard Member	Thu Sep 19 09:51:07 I grew to distrust mainstream media, All Israeli newspapers and main channels are in Netanyahu’s pocket, including Der Bildt and Jewish Chronicle in Germany and the UK. Even Haaretz isn’t safe. Whatever quotes they produce, I wouldn’t doubt on it, especially I wouldn’t trust a source saying this. The majority of people want a deal with Hamas to release the hostages, and that in turn will resolve the issue in the north as Hizballah stated they will cease when the war in Gaza stops. Of course, no doubt, all Israelis will support a full invasion of Lebanon if this crap continues even after a deal is made. A word on how Bibi owns the media: All Israeli channels and newspapers quoted both the Jewish Chronicle and Der Bildt when these published “confidential” Hamas documents found in Gaza, these documents, isaid that Hamas leader wants to run away with hostages through tunnels under the Gaza-egypt border. The issue is, this fits right with in with BiBi’s unexpected requirement for any deal, saying a few days earlier Israel mist control the Gaza-egypt border, and will not compromise on it. And it ruined the new deal everyone was hoping for. These articles gave hos new requirement validity. Howver these articles, the documents in them, were fabricated: it was proven beyond doubt that they were pure fiction, down to a very bad Arabic used. The Jewish Chronicle even fired the reporter and its editor quit after that. This happened a week ago. Only Haaretz talks about this scandal, no one else. And even then, not much noise about it… So no, this “most jews in iarael t an invasion “ is the same crap. Moat want a deal and an end to the war. Israel dropped in credit, investments stopped, soldiers die every day in Gaza, half a million evacuees in the north, another half a million in the south, no flights in and out other than crappy old El Al, Israel has embargos placed on it, official and quite ones, scientists cant get funding, cooperative research with researchers abroad stopped, inflation is high (but not Venezuela bad, just not good), the government is on full corruption mode (they fly abroad having fun all the time, they appoint key figures to cement Likud rule using the war to hide it, the supreme court fights for its life against Bibi’s henchman who is the Minister of Justice who refuses to appoint a supreme prime judge unless its his pick (for which he has no manority in the comittee he runs, so he ainply doesn’t assemble the committee it for months on end, despite a court order that he must), Bibi’s son is living a good life in Florida living at millionairess’ homes, coming back every now and again to be able to return to the US without overstaying his Visa, while our sons and daughters doe in Gaza. Millions are protesting, the media literally ignores and downplays it. Fycking hell.
Asgard Member	Thu Sep 19 09:52:22 ** Wouldn’t count / would doubt Certainly not “wouldn’t doubt”
Rugian Member	Thu Sep 19 10:08:43 "and that in turn will resolve the issue in the north as Hizballah stated they will cease when the war in Gaza stops." Hezbollah fires rockets on Israel like every other year. What makes you think they'd stop?
Asgard Member	Thu Sep 19 10:40:51 If they won’t, they’ll get their war, and it couldn’t be more justified.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Thu Sep 19 10:53:50 Asgard There is no deal to be made with Hamas. The fact that so many Israelis don’t get that, is a tragedy. Unanimously among the axis of reaiatanceanalysts, a permanent cease fire (which is the only deal you could be talking about to “make it all stop”) is considered a win. These are the people you are dealing, how have you not figured this out, if not over the decades, over the past year? You are acting as if Israel has all the time in the world to trial and error this with the blood of its citizens. You don’t.
Asgard Member	Thu Sep 19 11:01:05 Israel should make a deal, allow a truce… get the hostages back, release all the hoatages Hamas want. And then launch a full scale invasion of Gaza to annihilate Hamas. Honestly, I lost all compassion for Palestinians, I don’t care for any of them. The Israeli Left in general is the same. But the hostages cannot he rescued militarily, and there will be not be a Hamas surrender, what even the Japanese in WWIi accepted- Hamas will not, down to the last standing Hamas member. Howver, we live in the real world. Iarael cannot win this war Nor can it rescue the hostages. It has no choice but to accept a deal. And it cannot renew the war after a deal. We have lost international legitimacy after 2 months from October 7th, the momentum was not seized.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Thu Sep 19 11:20:08 And this is what I am talking about, you think Israel has all the time in the world, or worse, that Hamas would give you a fake truce for the hostages, without guarantees up all over your asses. Im sorry my friend but that route is naive. When things run out of momentum you are not going to wind it all back up. Though, the paramounts and axis of retard cheerleaders should take that in, the big question in Israel is: should we first get back the hostages than exterminate Hamas or just exterminate them right away. lol :-) All I can tell you Asgard is that you have the great benefactor (Islamic republic) against the ropes. Removing Hamas is a massive blow to their already crumbling prestige, crippling Hezbollah, the crown Jewel of their string of proxies, a lethal blow.
Asgard Member	Thu Sep 19 11:26:52 Lethal blow? Meh Even if 1/2 of their fighters are down, they are still mich more trained and much more numerous than Hamas, and Hamas itself is still alove and well. They are Vietkong, they can’t be defeated. What is your suggestion then? Israel cant fight without the support from of tje US and EU, it ran out of ammunition several times already and had to be resupplied. What is your solution? A contious endless war? This is the best thing for Netanyahu, that way he can stay in power despite his corruption trials, perpetually.
murder Member	Thu Sep 19 13:39:09 "The majority of people want a deal with Hamas to release the hostages, and that in turn will resolve the issue in the north as Hizballah stated they will cease when the war in Gaza stops." That wouldn't end anything. Hezbollah would still be there, and there only reason for existing is to destroy Israel and drive out the Jews.
Rugian Member	Thu Sep 19 13:45:34 Seriously...I do understand that being in a state of war sucks, but trying to get a ceasefire with people who literally deny your right to exist seems like the ultimate "kicking the can down the road" move.
murder Member	Thu Sep 19 13:46:38 "what even the Japanese in WWIi accepted- Hamas will not, down to the last standing Hamas member." Then kill them all.
Sam Adams Member	Thu Sep 19 13:56:20 Primitive people always think they are die hard warriors that wont surrender and then the nukes start going off.
earthpig GTFO HOer	Thu Sep 19 14:21:02 "Seriously...I do understand that being in a state of war sucks, but trying to get a ceasefire with people who literally deny your right to exist seems like the ultimate "kicking the can down the road" move." That's why the defense minister dude, the one that the head of state is trying to fire, said to cut a deal, get the hostages, and immediately reneg on it and do what they are currently doing. That act of bad faith could have negative consequences for future diplomacy with hezb and hamas, but that in turn will create a turn of events that wins more future elections for right wingers. So I'm unclear on why the right wing gov't isn't doing it. The upside is you get the hostages back, the downside is you give hamas and hezb a week or two to regroup and fortify and plant traps and so on. The calculus can be that if we save these 200 lives, it is going to cost us more than 200 dead soldiers, or less than 200 dead soldiers?
Sam Adams Member	Thu Sep 19 15:05:10 Theres probably only 30-40 or so living hostages left.
Sam Adams Member	Thu Sep 19 15:56:32 That 10 year old girl that died? Was the wife of a hezzie
murder Member	Thu Sep 19 17:50:00 "That 10 year old girl that died? Was the wife of a hezzie" You are joking, right?
Rugian Member	Thu Sep 19 17:56:47 I'm pretty sure that Sam was joking. Like 60% sure. ...right?
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Fri Sep 20 03:38:55 Asgard There is not Hezbollah without the Islamic republic, at least not one that is of any concern. I am talking about the latter :) Another fact from the Islamic republics own analyst is that roughly 16% of the population support the regime. This past year I would say that number is 10%, but more importantly rifts have opened between those 10%. "What is your solution?" You either fight and defeat these enemies or you pack up "Israel" and leave, the third option is to die. Those are the *options*. Europeans are fucking retarded, but luckily you have nuclear weapons. I think many Israelis are fatigued and also suffer from a light form of PTSD, I empathize with your attitude. However, as someone from the outside watching, you are not doing "fine", you are doing fucking great against the axis. You kinda fucked up for a second not taking Hamas serious enough and you suffered immensely for this.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Fri Sep 20 03:54:53 earthpig "That's why the defense minister dude, the one that the head of state is trying to fire, said to cut a deal, get the hostages, and immediately reneg on it and do what they are currently doing." And you can immediately tell that Gallant does not believe in that himself (has his own agenda) or he is actually retarded. Hamas has access to his interviews, they are not stupid. Their only (albeit diminishing leverage) are the hostages, they would not give them up without assurances from the entire world, including the arab world of something resembling a permanent cease fire. This process would take months, thus assuring that the momentum and emotions also wind down in Israel. And you have to account that, both Gallant (and IDF chief of staff Herzi Halvi) have softened up because of two significant events: The IRGC missile attack fizzled, Hezbollah's response to Fuad Shukri was foiled. The major fears that some within the cabinet had about the capabilities of IRGC and Hezbollah subsided, you could say they gained a lot confidence. Consider that Israel has ramped up their attacks and become even bolder after both missiles attacks, fucking landing helicopters and abducting people in Syria a stones through away from the Russian base! And now with the pager attacks, you can hear the both Halvi and Gallant have consolidated behind Netanyahu regarding the north. You can call him Machiavellian, in the ME that is a great thing. You can say what you will about him, but he is his people's keeper, a guardian of his nation, a formidable leader. Among Iranians, he may be the most popular politician since Cyrus the great :P
Sam Adams Member	Fri Sep 20 11:16:04 "Israeli Officials believe that at least 30 Members of Hezbollah, including roughly 20 Senior Commanders, were Eliminated in today’s Strike on the Suburbs of Beirut." Rofl. Major hezzy meeting at a bunker hidden under an apartment building. Irsael sent a few bunker busters through the apartment building and hit it anyway.
Sam Adams Member	Fri Sep 20 11:16:32 Hezbollah getting torched.
Sam Adams Member	Fri Sep 20 11:17:15 "The entire senior command of Hezbollah's Radwan force was eliminated"
Rugian Member	Fri Sep 20 12:16:21 Does Mossad have a GoFundMe? They deserve a few bucks for the entertainment value this week.
Sam Adams Member	Fri Sep 20 12:19:15 Ya this is 8000 times better than whatever faggotty shit comes out of the nfl or hollywood these days.
murder Member	Fri Sep 20 21:12:56 Hezbollah is finding out now, and it's about fucking time. :o)
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sat Sep 21 07:52:02 LOL That clip of the alleged Israeli operation in Iran went viral, they just read a press release from Tasnim news (IRGC) denouncing that any such incident had taken place at start of their show. Make of that whar you want, but 2 of them from last show KNEW about this incident, Vahid Khazab (yellow shirt) is within the inner circle of Khamenei, there is no chance he would say such a thing if he didn’t believe it to be true. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hWatB635dIA
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sat Sep 21 10:55:16 Abbas Araghchi, Islamic republic foreign minister: Hezbollah will decide for themselves how they will respond (i.e axis of resistance is a mirage, there is no coordination). We will avenge Haniyeh, but will not be dragged into the trap of a wider. (Just like we will avenge Suleimani and the other 100 or so IRGC officers).
Sam Adams Member	Sun Sep 22 23:49:11 IDF opening a powerful bombing campaign on southern lebanon. Largest since the early days of the gaza retribution.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Mon Sep 23 07:12:43 The show I have posted, is officially my favorite show, I have to watch every episode they make. So, after they were forced to read the IRGC denouncement of any Israeli operation, they had a guest, who is some kind of electronics experts (PhD) and analyst for the regime. He went in deep about how every chip in Iran must be assumed to be tainted. Then he mentions "didn't we have KIAs due to tainted connectors (no idea specifically what type), didn't they blow up our satellite launch on the pad with tainted connectors? There have been stories around all these things, but here we have regime expert telling us it was so. To which the checkered shirt guy laughs and says, I'm afraid you are saying all these things and tomorrow they will come and say, no no, nothing has been blown up or sabotaged, why are you saying this? I think we can safely assume, they had a stern talking to by the IRGC after their last show :D
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Mon Sep 23 07:13:30 the KIAs due to faulty connectors were in relation to IRGC missile development and testing.*
murder Member	Mon Sep 23 08:06:20 The IDF should not restrict itself to southern Lebanon. Lebanon allows Hezbollah to use it's territory to attack Israel. Hezbollah is even part of the government. So Lebanon is a state sponsor of the attacks on Israel. If they don't want to root out Hezbollah, then they should be rooted out with Hezbollah.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Mon Sep 23 15:39:34 As many dead from todays attack as the entire 33 day war. -IRGC War correspondent in Lebanon
Seb Member	Mon Sep 23 15:50:28 Murder: During the 80s, the US allowed the IRA to openly collect money to fund terrorism in the UK. I imagine if we had managed to do something like this back then, where suddenly loads of pillar of society folk legs and dicks had massive burns and a bunch of random Americans caught shrapnel, and the odd 10 year old daughter of t'ose fine upstabding gntlmen of boston regrettably lost their lives from dadied IRA pager; the state department might have something to say about it? Onn the whole, I think this was a pretty smart operation, but it's also pretty clear Bibi wants his war and this was not a sensible move. He ain't going to be happy until he's done Shaba & Shatila to gaza, West Bank and Lebanon.
Sam Adams Member	Mon Sep 23 16:52:05 "but it's also pretty clear Bibi wants his war and this was not a sensible move." Blasting a group that has been lobbing missiles at you for a year is clearly sensible. "fine upstabding gntlmen of boston" Lol shouldn't have taxed our tea.
murder Member	Mon Sep 23 17:04:33 "I imagine if we had managed to do something like this back then, where suddenly loads of pillar of society folk legs and dicks had massive burns and a bunch of random Americans caught shrapnel, and the odd 10 year old daughter of t'ose fine upstabding gntlmen of boston regrettably lost their lives from dadied IRA pager; the state department might have something to say about it?" The state Department would have, but I would have said that the Kennedys had it coming.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Mon Sep 23 17:06:51 Hezbollah started and has continued to shell Israel, unprovoked since October 8th. Sebollah: Netanyahu wanted this war.
Sam Adams Member	Mon Sep 23 17:12:30 Hezbollah is taking a massive beating and isnt responding much.
Rugian Member	Mon Sep 23 17:33:32 Seb - The vast, vast majority of funding for the IRA came from the British Isles. Your analogy to the IRA would have worked better if Israel had detonated a bunch of bombs in Saudi Arabia because a lot of Saudis sympathized for the Gazan cause and some Saudis gave money to Hamas. Instead, Israel went after a military organization that has directly and repeatedly attacked Israel over the years, and done so in force over the past 11 months. I'm sorry, but that's way more legit.
Rugian Member	Mon Sep 23 17:34:15 "Sebollah" Bahahahahaha Between that and Sam's "BBC boy," Seb's really been taking some fire lately.
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