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murder Member	Tue Sep 24 19:07:31 Haitian group in Springfield, Ohio, files citizen criminal charges against Trump and Vance COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) — The leader of a nonprofit representing the Haitian community invoked a private-citizen right to file charges Tuesday against former President Donald Trump and his running mate, JD Vance, over the chaos and threats experienced by Springfield, Ohio, since Trump first spread false claims about legal immigrants there during a presidential debate. The Haitian Bridge Alliance made the move after inaction by the local prosecutor, said their attorney, Subodh Chandra of the Cleveland-based Chandra Law Firm. Charges brought by private citizens are rare, but not unheard of, in Ohio. Examples might be a grocery store charging a customer for a bounced check. State law requires a hearing to take place before the affidavit can move forward. As of Tuesday afternoon, none had been scheduled. Trump and Vance, a U.S. senator from Ohio, are charged with disrupting public services, making false alarms, telecommunications harassment, aggravated menacing and complicity. The filing asks the Clark County Municipal Court to affirm that there is probable cause and issue arrest warrants against Trump and Vance. “Their persistence and relentlessness, even in the face of the governor and the mayor saying this is false, that shows intent,” Chandra said. “It’s knowing, willful flouting of criminal law.” Steven Cheung, communications director for the Trump-Vance campaign, said, “President Trump is rightfully highlighting the failed immigration system that (Vice President) Kamala Harris has overseen, bringing thousands of illegal immigrants pouring into communities like Springfield and many others across the country.” The 15,000 to 20,000 Haitian immigrants who have arrived in Springfield over the past several years, in many cases after being recruited to local jobs, have been granted Temporary Protected Status to be in the U.S. legally. More than 30 bomb threats were directed at state and local government buildings and schools, prompting closures, the assignment of additional law enforcement protection and security cameras. Some of the city’s Haitian residents have also said they feared for their safety as public vitriol grew, and Mayor Rob Rue has received death threats. “If it were anyone else other than Trump and Vance who had done what they’ve done — wreak havoc on Springfield, resulting in bomb threats, evacuated and closed government buildings and schools, threats to the mayor and his family — they would have been arrested by now,” Chandra said. “They are not above the law.” Chandra said the U.S. Supreme Court’s July ruling granting ex-presidents broad immunity from criminal prosecution does not apply in this case because Trump is currently a private citizen and Vance did not amplify the rumors that members of Springfield’s 15,000-member Haitian community were eating people’s pets in his capacity as a senator. http://apn...2af00a8677da5caed55d03e8779774
murder Member	Tue Sep 24 19:07:52 Now they're indicting the pigs! :o)
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Sep 24 21:53:44 “Steven Cheung, communications director for the Trump-Vance campaign, said, “President Trump is rightfully highlighting the failed immigration system that (Vice President) Kamala Harris has overseen, bringing thousands of illegal immigrants pouring into communities like Springfield and many others across the country.”” by fabricating seeing people claim Haitians are eating their pet dogs? that’s not ‘highlighting a failed system’, yet the whole fucking ‘party’ accepts him doing this shit -all- the time (just like how kids supposedly go to school and come home with an operation)... obvious purposeful lying shitbag so far they have presented zero dog allegations and one false cat one... completely obviously it was fucking crazy and a deliberate lies to claim what Trump did during the debate (and to keep saying it) insanity
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Sep 25 16:34:50 Rep Clay Higgins (Louisiana): " Lol. These Haitians are wild. Eating pets, vudu, nastiest country in the western hemisphere, cults, slapstick gangsters... but damned if they don't feel all sophisticated now, filing charges against our President and VP. All these thugs better get their mind right and their ass out of our country before January 20th. " hmm... Speaker Mike Johnson said he spoke to Higgins about it & Higgins "prayed on it" and decided to take the post down...
murder Member	Wed Sep 25 17:01:26 Republicans racists? Nah!
murder Member	Wed Sep 25 17:01:56 "Speaker Mike Johnson said he spoke to Higgins about it & Higgins "prayed on it" and decided to take the post down..." Well isn't that sweet.
Rugian Member	Wed Sep 25 17:46:18 Name one part of that post that was factually untrue (as opposed to politically damaging - yeah, it's a stupid thing to put out when you're trying to get them niggas' votes)
Rugian Member	Wed Sep 25 17:51:22 And lest you leftists decide to selectively forget facts, yes Haiti is one of the biggest shitholes in the world, it's officially a failed state and its people the poorest in all of the Americas... One of its most powerful political figures right now is a gang leader who calls himself "Barbeque" and rules a delightful little organization called G9: "The G9 has allegedly been responsible for numerous massacres of civilians in Haiti. These include a May 2020 massacre across various neighborhoods across Port-au-Prince that killed 6 to 34 people,[16] an August–September 2020 massacre that left 22 dead, and an April 2021 massacre after an attempted takeover of Bel Air in Port-au-Prince.[21] The National Human Rights Defense Network (RNDDH), a United States National Endowment for Democracy funded, self-described human rights group based in Haiti,[22] reported on the 2020–21 massacre in Bel Air allegedly committed by G9. Eighty-one people were killed in total. Thirty-six people were killed from August to December 2020 and 45 people from March to May 2021. 18 people were left missing. A massacre in Cité Soleil from January to May 2021, which the RNDDH alleges was done by the G9 but the G9 denies, killed 44 people and left seven missing.[23] Human rights groups and victims have described the G9's tactics to include random killing of civilians, systematic rape, looting and torching villages, kidnapping, and dismemberment and more." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Ch%C3%A9rizier I can't think of a better class of people to import into our country
Rugian Member	Wed Sep 25 17:57:20 I like too how in another thread you leftists were calling claims that Haitians can't drive cars racist... Really? Haiti has one of the absolute lowest rates of car ownership in the world...11 cars per 1,000 people... http://en....s_by_motor_vehicles_per_capita Maybe it's no so much racism as facts. These people are bottom of the wrung as far as civilization goes.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Sep 25 18:59:44 can i see your 'factually true' evidence they are eating pets in Springfield? given the R presidential candidate loudly proclaimed it as a serious problem during a nationally televised debate, i assume you have dozens of reports at the ready, but i'll settle for a couple
Rugian Member	Wed Sep 25 19:26:12 Have you seen some of the shit that comes out of Haiti? They eat fucking mud for fuck's sake But yes, continue to focus on the particular details of this one incident, and willfully ignore the story of America being swarmed with tens of millions of immigrants, many of them illegal, in which the populations of entire towns are overwhelmed by newcomers, who don't share our culture, language, values, or anything else... Good job distracting us from this problem with an entire forest by focusing on one tree.
murder Member	Wed Sep 25 20:10:58 WTF would a low car ownership rate have to do with the ability to drive? They don't have tons of cars because they are poor, not because they can't drive.
murder Member	Wed Sep 25 20:12:24 "If only you'd quit focusing on the racist shit we say, you'd understand the racist shit we mean."
Rugian Member	Wed Sep 25 20:16:30 "murder Member Wed Sep 25 20:10:58 WTF would a low car ownership rate have to do with the ability to drive?" Ooh I see, so driving a car is an inherent ability that humans have as opposed to a skill that has to be learned...a skill that people from a country that HAS VIRTUALLY NO CARS may not have. Thanks for clarifying murder.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Sep 25 20:46:35 why do you have higher demands of everyone else than you do of your ‘party’s candidate? why can’t he EVER cite actual issues... then maybe his crazy lies wouldn’t be the story soooo many times adults have to come out saying “oh, he’s just ‘trying’ to highlight xxx’... (by fabricating bullshit inflammatory claims on the general topic of xxx)
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Sep 25 21:53:11 what factual issues of Springfield has Trump ever cited? he claims they are here illegally (though here legally) & his pet shit with no evidence two false claims... hmm, just like with the Iran deal, he only ever mentioned two false claims over and over fucking insane that he never has facts, and instead -regularly- just makes shit up
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Sep 25 22:46:32 Higgins' supposed praying may not have gone how Mike Johnson thought (or made up) Higgins: “It’s all true. I can put up another controversial post tomorrow if you want me to. I mean, we do have freedom of speech. I’ll say what I want.”
patom Member	Thu Sep 26 05:38:33 Rugian- "Name one part of that post that was factually untrue (as opposed to politically damaging - yeah, it's a stupid thing to put out when you're trying to get them niggas' votes)" I didn't know that they were allowed to vote, as they are NOT US citizens. Actually just about every country that large numbers of immigrants that came to this country, came from what you would call shithole countries. What is amazing is that, on Trumps invitation encouraging Scandinavians to immigrate here, they took a look and said no thanks. I wonder why.
Forwyn Member	Thu Sep 26 09:44:40 Haiti should be treated like the North Sentinel Island. They happily massacred everyone that didn't look like them, now they happily massacre their own, why would we allow them to immigrate to the nations of peoples they butchered?
Rugian Member	Thu Sep 26 10:53:36 tumbleweed You're accusing *me* of having low standards for my candidate? My dude, *your* candidate is someone who got zero primary votes from anyone in the last two elections, who was largely written off as an incompetent lightweight in DC right up until Biden stepped aside, who comes across as a total fucking idiot every time she's forced to speak off-script, who's been dodging any scrutiny by the press except for the occasional softball interview with known allies, who has been deliberately refusing to make her policy positions known to the public (except to make a total 180 on the far-left positions she took a mere five years ago that she now recognizes would instantly sink her candidacy, like banning fracking and private health care, creating open borders, compulsory assault weapons buybacks, etc.)... ...this might be the least-vetted candidate of a major political party in all of American history, and you claim that *you're* the one with standards? GFY, seriously.
Rugian Member	Thu Sep 26 10:55:20 patom "What is amazing is that, on Trumps invitation encouraging Scandinavians to immigrate here, they took a look and said no thanks. I wonder why." They're allergic to sunlight?
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Sep 26 14:05:56 "you claim that *you're* the one with standards" i've said from the start i'm voting for the highest-polling candidate opposite Trump (given i can't imagine anyone could find someone more absurd) Trump -regularly- makes shit up (as has no interest in the truth)... even on the rare occasion he actually knows a factual number he will deliberately exaggerate it... if he's speaking, he's lying he decides our allies by who is nice to him personally (or pays him)... & again he learns nothing about the issues w/ them... we got to read his two calls w/ Zelensky w/ him talking of nothing of substance in either (plus extorting him in the one) when we know from testimony he's given a binder of info prepared by knowledgeable professionals ahead of these calls (a total waste of time)... he claims he will end the war in Ukraine immediately, what knowledge at all has he demonstrated of that conflict? he behaves, speaks, & eats like a child & is an incredibly clear fear-mongering demagogue plus he misses no opportunity to scam money from his cult then there's his incredibly clear multiple mental illnesses: malignant narcissism, sociopathy or psychopathy, his insane obsession w/ crowd sizes & ratings & whatever this was: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfbNIb2-0ks (which actually appears in multiple Trump-worship videos he posts on his own feed) everything about him is ridiculous (& dangerous, given the huge cult who notices none of it & believes the shit he says) i can think of no one who doesn't beat him in fitness, Kamala easily passing the threshold
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Sep 26 14:09:35 (...oh yeah, he also stole hundreds of classified docs, refused repeated requests to return them even when given subpoena his lawyers said he had to honor... so he then hid the docs from his lawyer... FUCKING CRAZY already... & now that he's charged, he blatantly lies to all our faces about what the law says (w/ NOBODY repeating his claims as so obviously wrong)... ideal in a 'law & order' candidate... ...plus the whole attempt to overthrow democracy w/ lies (& NO, i don't mean the riot that he definitely incited))
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