Utopia Talk / Politics / How Israel did it

Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Sep 29 09:21:06 http://www...3e-e246-4409-9a38-95bf60a220a8 Article goes in depth, but the gist of it is that, besides extensive usage of technology, Hezbollah was infiltrated at pretty high levels during the Syrian war. They had to expose themselves to various intelligence services and expand to include people they shouldn’t have let it. Israel also has every inch of Lebanon scanned so any type of construction or changes would trigger their algorithms.
jergul large member	Sun Sep 29 09:26:43 "did it". Question is what is it going to do now that is not a repeat of what it has done before?
Rugian Member	Sun Sep 29 10:02:23 Poor jergul. I can understand how horrible they last couple of weeks must have been for you, having to watch the good guys absolutely annihilate the forces of evil. Oh jergul. Why do you insist on always siding with the absolute worst pieces of shit on the planet?
Rugian Member	Sun Sep 29 10:03:34 You know if it was Norway fighting against Hamas instead of Israel, they would have already surrendered by last December. Some people legitimately can't comprehend the concept of fighting back against people who want to invade and kill you.
jergul large member	Sun Sep 29 10:12:19 Ruggy No skin in game. I don't do tribal shit. Asking why we should expect Israel's end game to end differently than the last times is legitimate.
jergul large member	Sun Sep 29 10:18:29 I will let people in actual Lebanon and Gaza to think what they might think about the ludicrously disproportionate toll on civilian populations as we push towards 1:100. Its just strange that you think resistance/terrorism will lessen magically somehow.
Rugian Member	Sun Sep 29 10:22:44 jergul Leaving Germany largely unscathed in WWI simply resulted in WWII. Devastating Germany and forcing it into unconditional surrender resulted in today's cute and fuzzy Germany who just wants to be friends with everyone. Total war is the only way to truly "win" a conflict in the long run.
jergul large member	Sun Sep 29 10:41:20 Ruggy The only place I see total war of that type playing out is in Ukraine (thanks in no small part to Western refugee policies acting as a safety valve in lieu of civilian deaths). Its fine if you think Israel will stay the course with partial, but significant occupations of Gaza and Lebanon. With long term boots on the ground. But aerial bombardments are more a UK Blitz than anything else. Serving only to solidify popular resentment and resistance. To use you wwii analogy.
Asgard Member	Sun Sep 29 12:07:46 There will be no boots on the ground in Lebanon except marine some small incursions or heli drops The Israeli public will simply not have it Lebanon was our Vietnam, once in the eighties and once in 2006. But all barriers are removed now, the there is no holding back or hesitation for the IDF IDF just attacked Yemen again as well after a ballistic missile hot south Israel yeaterday. Far more damage than the last reprisal. I hope they strike again, killing the Ayotollah of Iran.
murder Member	Sun Sep 29 15:03:37 "Its just strange that you think resistance/terrorism will lessen magically somehow." Resistance has no choice but to lessen the closer you get to zero population.
jergul large member	Sun Sep 29 15:06:52 Murder You see that happening? Well, outside of Ukraine that is.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Sep 29 15:31:50 Asgard Israel’s entire existence is a gaggle of Jerguls going, “Pfff, what are they going to do now?” So far, all the Arab nations that tried to find out exactly what you were going to do next have come to their senses. What remains now is the “axis,” which is basically the Islamic Republic. You will have a hard time finding another country where the gap between the values of the leaders and the population is as large as it is in Iran. Ultimately, this is untenable and unstable. This is a huge part of the reason why neither China nor Russia have fully embraced the Islamic Republic, why China isn’t honoring past deals, why there is no S-400 deal, and why both are courting the Arabs as well. Any investment in Iran carries a heavy risk premium and may go to zero within a decade. Furthermore, as polls show, the three least popular countries among Iranians are Russia, China, and the UK—not America or Israel. You have to view that in light of 40 years of propaganda to the contrary. My point, dear Asgard, is that now is not the time to be despondent. You guys have had 2,000 years, ever since the world found you to be a nuisance, to not be Jews. I feel like this far into the story, you’re going to keep being Jews. You either leave, die, or defeat the enemy. And my bet is that your intelligence services are more in tune with reality and, thus, with what I’m saying, rather than with the hallucinations of Jergul. In that light, nothing is off the table. Calling this or the other your Vietnam simply does not cut it. Hinei lo yanum v’lo yishan shomer Yisrael
jergul large member	Sun Sep 29 15:43:40 Iranian sample base: Nimi's two uncles + his mother's cat.
jergul large member	Sun Sep 29 15:50:25 "In 2011, just 18% of Iranians approved of China’s leadership, tied for the lowest in the Middle East. The trading relationship between Iran and China grew substantially after the turn of the century, and Beijing remains Tehran’s most important trading partner today. China also became Iran’s largest market for oil, in defiance of U.S. sanctions. Fast forward to 2023, and Iranians are now far more approving than any other country in the Middle East toward Beijing. Even though the rapid growth in pro-China sentiment in Iran has flattened in the past two years, more Iranians continue to approve of China’s leadership (51%) than their own (43%)." The US scores in the mid teens approval, or about half that of Russia's leadership. I guess the cat and two uncles did not exactly have their pulse on popular sentiment, despite leaving Iran as recently as 1977.
jergul large member	Sun Sep 29 15:54:56 New target thread and new target Israel: Hashem Safieddine
murder Member	Sun Sep 29 16:26:07 "You see that happening?" Not yet. But at least we agree that it's a simple math problem.
Asgard Member	Mon Sep 30 02:50:20 Hashem Safieddine In hebrew, trust means - God has scurvy
Asgard Member	Mon Sep 30 02:50:40 That * means
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Mon Sep 30 05:49:53 A country is not it's leadership dimgul. I could have sworn you were admonishing people over equating Russia with Putin, no? But now suddenly you can not grasp that, a population can have a generally negative view towards a country, and which quality of ties their own country should have with it, but still think the leadership of said country is more effective and rank them higher than their own. This is not even an apple and oranges comparison, it's like this a fish and that is an umbrella. You are in a cognitive free fall. I knew I would be disappointed, I tried to avoid reading your posts. Now that I have, I'm heart broken. We all knew this day would come, like when our favorite president starts confusing Putin with Zelynski. You don't need to be here bro.
jergul large member	Mon Sep 30 08:32:38 Nimi Consider it a counterpoint you your linkless claim if you like. Maybe you should take a break yourself? You seem past the point where you are willing to show your wife the tone of your posts again. Ask you therapist if being here is good for you.
murder Member	Mon Sep 30 08:42:22 Being here isn't good for anyone. :oP
jergul large member	Mon Sep 30 09:01:24 Also, more a graham apple to granny apple comparison. You are doing the same thing as obam. Latching on to fictive "gottya" your mind has generated. While certainly an improvement on our regular comparisons to CC, still, aping Obam is definitely a warning sign. Nap time for Nimi I think.
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