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Sam Adams rank	Mon Oct 21 09:04:44 2024 http://www...xed-young-people-packing-bags/ why young people are fleeing high-tax Britain A demographic crisis is brewing as emigration from the UK’s rainy isles ramps up ----- Export anyone with ambition, import pakis and africans. Lmfao. At this pace you'll be less advanced than latin america soon. Chile has to be about ready to pass you, by standard of living, huh.
Sam Adams rank	Mon Oct 21 09:09:10 2024 Remember just a few years ago you cried that alabama had passed you economically? You'll be begging to be back on even that level soon.
Seb rank	Mon Oct 21 10:57:29 2024 This is what happens if you elect Sams for 15 years.
Seb rank	Mon Oct 21 11:00:34 2024 "The issue is that everyone wants the same pool of workers,” says Pomeroy. “Doctors or nurses trained in the UK can just as easily go and work in Australia, the US or the Middle East, and the UK now needs to ‘keep’ them, just like it needs to ‘compete’ for those who may leave parts of Africa or Asia." Gosh it's almost like Sam's signature idea of slashing wages and cutting taxes is the problem here.
Cherub Cow rank	Mon Oct 21 11:14:57 2024 Sebfag right back to his retarded shtick of "[the right-wing was in charge for 15 years but also they have never been in charge and I hope they will never be in charge]." Doublethink faggotry. Sam was simultaneously in charge but is a "fringe" that should never be in charge per sebbish subversion. But yeah, sebfag approves of this. He is an anti-White racist, as is the case with all leftists, so he's totally okay with replacing the UK's ethnic population "for GDP" (*wink wink wink (totally not open-eyed treason) wink wink wink*).
murder rank	Mon Oct 21 14:17:47 2024 At this rate the EU won't want them back.
Sam Adams rank	Mon Oct 21 17:05:34 2024 Seb you dunce. I have never once advocated for cutting wages. If you want talent, you have to pay for it. Lol, lacking reading comprehension seb is not one of the uk workers who has the talent to get paid elsewhere.
Forwyn rank	Mon Oct 21 17:09:07 2024 At least you don't have to walk far for a kebab!
Forwyn rank	Mon Oct 21 17:09:23 2024 Hopefully you don't get stabbed on the way there for being white
Sam Adams rank	Mon Oct 21 17:18:46 2024 Imagine going from the british empire to this in 100 years. Entirely self-inflicted too. Sebs part of the greatest choke job in history. Lol.
Cherub Cow rank	Mon Oct 21 17:38:23 2024 "We have the recipes, use your copy ability" http://x.com/MisterCask/status/1842887758215561243
Cherub Cow rank	Mon Oct 21 17:51:21 2024 That retarded Harvard professor who wrote that disingenuous book calling Trump fascist released some more sebbish logic on the 13th: ---------- "1. There are a lot of babies in the world, more than enough to go around 2. Many of these babies are not white/Swedish/German/Christian/Japanese etc 3. So if you care about whites/Swedish/Japanese people being “replaced” you do not care about point 1. 4. If you are obsessed with your country’s white/German/Swedish/Japanese population being replaced you are a fascist (or close enough) (5) natalism is fascism (or close enough). Thank you for coming to my Ted talk" http://www.threads.net/@jasonstanley680/post/DBEkKgjpExn ---------- sebguls think that babies are interchangeable widgets. Need "GDP"? Import interchangeable baby-widgets from bomalia. There are a lot of them, so it's not replacement somehow (and you are a fascist for noticing).
Cherub Cow rank	Mon Oct 21 17:51:45 2024 *"retarded [Yale] professor"
Seb rank	Wed Oct 23 22:56:14 2024 murder: The Commission was taking legal action against the UK due to our customs agency not having enough staff to spot VAT fraud and import scams into the single market while we were members. Since then there are a number of issues that have cropped up with UK regulators not being able to e.g. spot use of banned pesticides. Trust me, they will not want us back until we can meet the Acquis which means reversing a decades worth of cuts to "bureaucrats" of the kind that spot and turn back Chinese made kids toys covered in lead paint and people dousing food crops with known carcinogens banned for human consumption. "Your country on Samenomics." Sam: Yup, self inflicted, under the rule of a government pursuing a smaller state at all costs - just as you have prescribed Sam.
Seb rank	Wed Oct 23 22:57:24 2024 CC: No UK govt has put in place Sam's social policy. Just his economic policy. Which was bad enough.
Seb rank	Wed Oct 23 22:59:29 2024 I'm pretty sure you could have figured out that policy is not a monolithic block but perhaps such trivialities are beneath your genius intellect. Or then again, perhaps you are just a moron. Who knows. Who cares.
Sam Adams rank	Thu Oct 24 01:24:42 2024 Seb says the reason the uk is failing is that government isnt large enough. Lmfao retarded. Like this sets a retardation record.
obaminated rank	Thu Oct 24 04:47:02 2024 Sa you are letting seb distract you from the actual point. Educated and ambitious natives in the UK are leaving. Focus on that and let seb drown trying to pretend it isn't an ominous problem.
Seb rank	Thu Oct 24 09:10:19 2024 Obaminated: Read the article: "The quality of life, the work-life balance, is all much easier in Portugal,” he says. “I can be at the beach in 20 minutes. I can be on the golf course in 20 minutes. It is a lot easier to be out in nature than it is in London.” Why can't you get to a beach or a golf course in 20 mins. You could... if we had finished electrification and high speed rail projects cancelled by the (conservative) govts to "save money". Because public transport infrastructure is "big state". Then let's see what the economist quoted says. "James Pomeroy, economist at HSBC, says there are three options to fix the crunch. “The “popular” option is policies to lift birth rates, but across the world, these have largely been shown to be ineffective,” he says. Then there is fixing the public finances to ease the strain – higher taxes, higher pension ages and spending cuts, which are unpopular. The final option is the Portuguese route: welcoming young migrants." Oh... so... accepting more migration? Perhaps the reason living costs have shot up is because the conservative govt adopted a series of policies such as Brexit that hugely increased the cost of basic goods by taking us out of the single market? Perhaps the reason it's less good to have a tech startup in the UK is because leaving the European single market for services means the UK now has an market of 65m consumers rather than 450m? Perhaps the reason workforce is so constrained at the lower end is that the conservative UK govt increased hugely the cost of being a parent by: 1. Scrapping sure start 2. Allowing private equity firms to buy up all the nurseries 3. Freezing thresholds at which child benefit and other benefits are withdrawn 4. Not uplifting these benefits in line with inflation And what does the economist recommend? More migration. Which of course the conservatives oppose. But where is this pinch felt most strongly? "The issue is that everyone wants the same pool of workers,” says Pomeroy. “Doctors or nurses trained in the UK can just as easily go and work in Australia, the US or the Middle East, and the UK now needs to ‘keep’ them, just like it needs to ‘compete’ for those who may leave parts of Africa or Asia." Gosh, Doctors, nurses and not mentioned here: care workers. The public sector trains them, and then because the conservative govt has set their wages such that over the last 15 years they have had a 35% paycut while refusing to fund needed increases in numbers at training schools (to counter increased failure to retain and increases in demand) - they leave for better paid, easier jobs overseas. How to plug this gap? Migration. Which the conservatives oppose. Who just opposed a deal to bring the pay of these medical staff back towards global market levels? The conservatives. The fundamental problem is the conservatives only idea is to keep cutting taxes, slashing public services, and cutting investment, and trying to alienate the rest of the world as much as possible by burning trade relationships and engaging in xenophobia. They've been doing that for 15 years, and it's demonstrably failed. No high value firms want to invest in a country with poor market access, that actively dismantles supply chains, skimps on basic infrastructure and whose govt is obsessed with lowering quality of life at every opportunity. The conservatives basically think what high value businesses want is cheap, unskilled labour. They don't, they want the high skill high education workforce that expects good public services, good transport infrastructure and low costs of living which means relying on immigration for low skilled jobs. If you don't attract that workforce, you don't get the high value businesses. If you don't get the high value businesses, you don't get higher wages. You can't tax cut your way to this. No amount of tax cuts will get you to raise you child in a place where the schools are falling to bits, transport is from the 1970s and the health care system is looking dodgy. The economy was doing great in the 90s and 2000s because the cons under Thatcher and Major, and then labour under Blair and Brown, got this right. Then came the Cameroon conservatives that don't understand business, don't understand the economy and don't even understand Thatcherism but like to cosplay. Basically, the Sam's. It's been a disaster that will take the next 20 years to fix. But the answer isn't slash taxes. The only way that will work is if you can somehow get rid of all the pensioners, and block their access to public services. Otherwise basically, you are fucked. Slashing taxes means less money for the kind of stuff young professionals value (clean streets, good amenities, good transport, good education, lower crime) and the remainder going on health and social care and pensions. There's a reason why the average age of conservative party members is 70+.
Forwyn rank	Thu Oct 24 16:21:06 2024 Lol Seb unironically argues that folks who immigrate to less-dense Portugal to relax more on the beach would do the same in the UK if only they could hope on a train flooded with kebabs to get there faster
Sam Adams rank	Thu Oct 24 16:50:43 2024 "We imported 10 million low-iq low-impulse-control migrants who want to stab you and rape you. Now get on a train with them" The minds of leftists are amazing.
Sam Adams rank	Thu Oct 24 17:08:19 2024 How to keep your country running well: Lower taxes and slash red tape and all useless government orgs like dei, etc. Stop giving handouts to lazy people/migrants. Only quality migrants allowed in. Enforce laws against violent crime. This is not difficult. But instead you took every obvious easy path and did the opposite. Now you are fucked. We told you so and you didnt listen. Now we can laugh at you, the way we laugh at all socialists.
Seb rank	Fri Oct 25 09:19:25 2024 Rugian, Sam: None of the factors you describe (fear of brown people) are mentioned. You are protecting your rampant xenophobia onto people responding to fundamentally economic drivers - which are a consequence of a country actually following your insane economic policy. It's not surprising you are changing the subject to imagined roving gangs of middle Eastern folks. "Lower taxes and slash red tape" They did that for 15 years, result: productivity stagnates, taxes as a proportion of GDP increase because inflation outstrips productivity growth when you slash regulation that allows companies to externalise their cost to others, and slash capital spending on infrastructure. And when you are as deregulated as the UK (which regularly beats the US regularly on ease of doing business index) capital flight is easy. The biggest problem isn't "handouts", the biggest problem is pensions. If we could just let all the old people starve, that would be great. Thing is, those are the core conservative voters. "Only quality migrants allowed in" I love this idea. Let's examine it: there's a huge shortfall of unskilled or skilled and low paid labour to do basic shit like stack warehouses and lol after senile old folks in care homes. Your genius idea is that we should import high quality people to do the well paid jobs, and Brits should do the shit, low paid jobs. When CC talks about the great replacement, is this what she means?
Seb rank	Fri Oct 25 09:25:05 2024 It's genius brain ideas like Sam's that show why not to trust your country to cosplay Thatcherites. Deregulate and privatise your water industry as per Sam, then be surprised that the private owners rack up huge debts, stop investing in extra capacity, flood the beaches with untreated sewage, and flog the water company off to a pension fund telling them it's a sure deal as the govt will eventually be forced to bail it out. In the mean time, the effect on growth is stunning: just not in the way Sam thinks. Lack of water capacity prevents building new housing, while pollution reduces agricultural output, shuts down tourist beaches (nobody wants to sail, swim and surf in human turds) and they holiday abroad instead. Yay for deregulation. All that silly red tape was doing nothing at all of any use.
Nimatzo rank	Fri Oct 25 10:44:53 2024 You should stop giving citizenships to people based on skills, temporary residency is sufficient. For citizenship skill is necessary, but not sufficient. You need to on some level love the country and the culture. Consider a yourself naturalized citizen of the nation and then whatever you were or came from as part of your history, not hyphenate. Then there are some hard lines, like, If you are a Muslim, you can’t become a citizen.
Cherub Cow rank	Fri Oct 25 11:09:07 2024 [CC]: "Sebfag right back to his retarded shtick of "[the right-wing was in charge for 15 years but also they have never been in charge and I hope they will never be in charge]." Doublethink faggotry. Sam was simultaneously in charge but is a "fringe" that should never be in charge per sebbish subversion." [seb (traitor to the West, likely pederast)]: "No UK govt has put in place Sam's social policy. Just his economic policy." [Seb (traitor to the West, likely pederast)]: "I'm pretty sure you could have figured out that policy is not a monolithic block but perhaps such trivialities are beneath your genius intellect. [/] Or then again, perhaps you are just a moron. Who knows. Who cares." Lulz, sebtard once again shitting the bed trying to start new lies while hoping you all forget about his previous lies. In his latest lie, Sam's *economic* policy was in place (lol, nope; that's also a lie), but even if you believe this new lie, it still requires doublethink for you to accept his contradictory follow-on position (stated in a previous thread), which is that Sam was never and should never have his policies in place because he's a "fringe" element and luckily governance works by "compromise" and therefore the "fringe" can never get what it wants even if it *were* elected (which, per seb, it hasn't been!). Lol. It's sebtard's Schrodinger: Sam is simultaneously responsible for the last 15 years *and* is too "fringe" to ever have been elected or had any policy represented without compromise. Or, in sebtard's world, this is how Theseus' Ship works: if your people build a boat and sebtard's people take over both Labour and the Tories, set the boat on fire, and turn it to ash... it's still a boat (and not ash) because the "compromise" (setting your ideas on fire) is still what you wanted, right? Lol
Cherub Cow rank	Fri Oct 25 11:18:28 2024 [Nim]: "You should stop giving citizenships to people based on skills, temporary residency is sufficient" Seb wouldn't agree to that, as I've pointed out before. The sebbish strategy of ethnic replacement is the point. They wouldn't just invite migrants to work and then send them back once the GDP goes up; sebbish destroyers want them to *stay* at all costs. This is why in these U.S. the Democrats make both the argument of ethnic replacement via mass migration *and* the promise of enfranchisement for the conquerors. At the bureaucrat's level of lies, it's a reward for the migrants' efforts (i.e., attracting talent), but, in reality, they want these new voters to give them (the oligarchs) power and to destroy their enemies (i.e., sebbish oligarchs want to destroy Westerners).
Forwyn rank	Fri Oct 25 15:38:14 2024 "Your genius idea is that we should import high quality people to do the well paid jobs, and Brits should do the shit, low paid jobs." So you want to import low-quality people, who then depress the wages for low-quality Brits, further ensuring that a) no one wants to do it, and b) the only way it gets filled is through low-quality imports. Now your low-quality Brits are on assistance, if they aren't turned away for being the wrong color, and you still have a doctor shortage. Awesome idea Seb
Seb rank	Fri Oct 25 15:49:22 2024 Nim: "should stop giving citizenships" You can't get residency from a skills based visa.
Nimatzo rank	Fri Oct 25 16:17:55 2024 Seb Not sure if we are tripping over terminology. The salient part is to stop handing out citizenship because a. someone lived somewhere long enough, b. is skilled or any other reason that has nothing to do with cultural compatibility or a deeper sense of connection to the culture and nation. Like it's great that you can speak the language and have a useful degree, it just isn't enough.
Sam Adams rank	Fri Oct 25 17:09:02 2024 "They did that for 15 years" No they didnt. Your fucked up beurocratic left wing government has never done this in our adult lifetimes.
Sam Adams rank	Fri Oct 25 17:20:48 2024 A problem(and there are many) with seb is that he conflates any tax cut or any regulation repeal with total government collapse and anarchy. And he needs that government as a cruch... without it he might have to think and look out for his family himself, which he does not like doing and finds stressful, even in the smallest quantity. His weak and underdeveloped mind cannot see nuance. He cannot compromise, cannot accept that his chosen side is not always right. He desperately needs to see his opponents as tyrants of the other side, because the middle ground is an off limits region of his mind... too complex to be understood by his plebian mental facilities and thus outright banned.
Sam Adams rank	Fri Oct 25 17:23:09 2024 Meanwhile sane people are like: theres a happy middle ground where government does what is necessary, but not too much to become bloated and socialist.
Seb rank	Sun Oct 27 13:22:40 2024 Nim: "The salient part is to stop handing out citizenship because a. someone lived somewhere long enough" 1. Remind me, which country were you born in? 2. When Sam and Rugian talk about Muslims they are primarily talking about people born in this country to people born in this country. Secondly, by even saying "stop" in that sentence shows me you know *nothing* about the path to citizenship in the UK. For example, a spousal visa (i.e. I, a Brit, wish to bring, say, a US woman I have married to the country). First, I have to earn above a threshold and prove that with a years worth of UK payslips. So if I've lived in France, I need to come back and live 6 months in the UK earning above threshold before she even apply for her to have right to enter. Her earning potential and assets are not relevant and fully discounted. Note she cannot apply from the UK, and if she enters on a tourist scheme prior to ILR she will be subject to intense scrutiny if she discloses she's visiting her husband, normally taken aside for additional screening due to risk of overstaying, but if she doesn't disclose this she will possibly be refused entry, and the notes on file will cause her application for a spousal visa to be denied. She can't bring anything that looks like she's working *from* the UK, because the would breach a tourist visa. To apply for a spousal visa, we need to prove we are in a real, not sham marriage. Obviously, the very fact you've lived apart for 6 months to a year calls into question whether our marriage is real. So while we need to provide marriage certs (f duly translated by an official translator, notified and then legalised by the foreign ministry of the country of issue etc.) I also need to provide evidence of an ongoing relationship. In our case that means photograph, emails, social media posts, Skype messages, cards from significant occasions, correspondence from before we were married after we were married, and of course during the period we are living apart. These need to show the *nature* of the relationship, not just regular contact - I'll leave that to your imagination but it's intrusive. Plus sworn affidavits from witnesses, preferably in the UK, otherwise their weight is discounted. The evidence pack for my wife's application was two 6inch ringbinders. Without this, your application and fees can be discounted on a whim by caseworkers who have a target for number of rejections. Naturally you also need to pass a fluency in English test. Doesn't matter if English is your mother tongue. If you are successful, you get a spouse visa that lasts a few years before needing review, you and your partner have no recourse to public funds (so, for example, if I am made redundant around time of renewal, the wife needs to leave or get deported). Work visas are more complicated but most of that falls on the employer. After 3,5* or 10** years you can apply for indefinite leave to remain - provided you have spent all that time on a visa that allows it***. *3 for high tier work visas, 5 for lower tier, both of which have skills requirements, and are also no recourse to public funds. 10 for private life visas. Let's say you have a high tier or innovators visa - you need to prove you met income requirements, do another English language competency test, and a "life in the UK" test that covers what you call cultural fit. Ok. So now you have legal permanent residency, but not citizenship. Your kids, if born in the UK to a partner that wasn't British, do not have citizenship. They can apply when they are over 18, provided they were legally here, which means you were legally here. They have to go through the 10 year ilr application. To get actual citizenship, you have to do the whole rigamarole again 5 years after having held ilr, but this time you have to prove you have "good character". With any of these, criminal conviction or losing financial qualification (i.e. failure to pay NHS surcharge etc. due to bankruptcy) can lead to losing the visa ***Student and seasonal work visas
Seb rank	Sun Oct 27 13:26:54 2024 Basically Nim, you have to go back to the days of Empire where it was possible to get citizenship purely based on length of time in the UK. It's hard for a Brit to even bring a foreign spouse from a country well aligned culturally to live in the UK, it takes 5 years to get residency, and citizenship costs even more. And language and cultural tests are already required to get ilr, and must be repeated (pointlessly) at each renewal. Ilr and citizenship. The cost of the whole process runs to about at least 8-10k.
Seb rank	Sun Oct 27 13:27:39 2024 Sam: "No they didnt. Your fucked up beurocratic left wing government has never done this in our adult lifetimes" I mean I've literally pointed out the privatised water companies. Has the US privatised water companies?
Seb rank	Sun Oct 27 13:30:59 2024 The problem with Sam is he thinks any form of market failure must be the result of socialism, rather than deregulation - so he can't spot where deregulation is going to far. He would oppose inspecting Chinese imports of kids teething toys for lead paint as bureaucracy interfering with business profits and then say a generation of kids growing up with an average iq of 90 was obviously due to socialism.
jergul rank	Sun Oct 27 13:51:01 2024 The problem with Sam is that he prefers to emote instead of observe. So is limited to commenting on things that give him an emotional kick in one way and or another ("yay, look at us going to Mars and boy do those chinese suck. Hurrican yay strong wind boo FEMA for giving illegals hurricane aid" Like that).
Nimatzo rank	Sun Oct 27 16:38:18 2024 Seb Sadly, you wrote a lot of words, did not address what I said. Your country has clearly fucked up quite a lot, judging by all the Islamist you have, proselytizing in Hyde park, with citizenship. "1. Remind me, which country were you born in?" Because I think that I am part of the group, I do not want to be allowed to immigrate to western countries and receive citizenship? I hate to break it to you, but I would want to revoke your right to vote. You have this complete backwards. I actually think the ideas and values people have is infinitely more important than their case for asylum or country of origin for that matter. I am not onboard with this "great replacement" stuff. I would gladly replace you, jergul and paramount with people like me. The problem is that the replacements are not like me, they are like you. It is mind boggling that you have been itching this very "question" for months, for months seb, and are this clueless. lol :)
jergul rank	Sun Oct 27 17:24:10 2024 Seb, para and myself are pretty representative of the social democratic societies we belong to. We all agree that it is a huge disaster that we have failed to better assimilate new countrymen. But incremental change. Ironically, the key seems to be for vulnerable women to join the workforce instead of imprinting odd ideas from the old country on their offspring.
Sam Adams rank	Sun Oct 27 18:42:52 2024 " I mean I've literally pointed out the privatised water companies. " This is what your hung up on? Your taxes are through the roof, your healthcare sucks, your state officially discriminates against whites, you havent produced an innovative company since the start of the jet age, the last high iq brit left for the US decades ago, your GDP is now below all US states and approaching that of US territories and you import high crime low iq migrants by the millions. But its the water companies that are the problem. Lmao.
Nimatzo rank	Sun Oct 27 19:39:23 2024 Jergul I don’t care which mutation of Marxism you profess to, it’s all diseased. I simply have no objections to replacing you. I implore others to have a more nuanced view on the great replacement. We should work towards taking it over, rather than stopping it.
jergul rank	Sun Oct 27 20:01:15 2024 Nimi Yes, you came to a country and now want to radically transform it. Like I said, we failed to assimilate our new countrymen. Why you think you are different than a non-violent Islamist in other than detail, I will never know. You just have your own version of Sharia law you want to propagate. Same difference. Thankfully, we know the solution. Mothers that work. The key to intergenerational assimilation.
Nimatzo rank	Sun Oct 27 20:09:07 2024 From the POV of the diseased, that is probably what it feels like. I will take your word for it.
jergul rank	Sun Oct 27 20:15:11 2024 Nimi, I am just a regular run of the mill social democrat. So are Seb and Para. There are 8 million of us in Sweden. Give or take. I get that it must be frustrating not to fully understand the country you live in and that that traslates into some raging against the machine. Its ok. We have figured it out. The key to assimilation is educating and employing mothers. Its not exactly rocket science, though is an inter generational thing, so takes decades to play out. But that is fine. Decades are shorter than you know.
Seb rank	Sun Oct 27 20:20:37 2024 Nim: "The salient part is to stop handing out citizenship because a. someone lived somewhere long enough, b. is skilled or any other reason that has nothing to do with cultural compatibility" So as I've pointed out, citizenship, indeed permanent residency, is not available without a cultural test and I'm the case of citizenship fitness of character test being passed. Your prescription that we should "stop handing out citizenship" without regard to cultural elements is therefore dumb. On top of that you need to prove self sufficiency
Seb rank	Sun Oct 27 20:21:34 2024 "Because I think that I am part of the group" I am not sure you display the kind of values that would pass a life in the UK test.
Seb rank	Sun Oct 27 20:28:45 2024 Sam: "This is what your hung up on?" That's one example of how this "you've only had leftwing govts" is factually bullshit, and also why deregulation doesn't lead to growth if taken to extremes. The UK post 1980 isn't the 1970's and the problems it has are not those of the 1970s. Thatcherism went way further in deregulation and privatisation than Reaganism. The issues we have now are predominantly by trying to pursue policies that are too tackle an over taxed and over regulated economy with far too many state protected industries, to a country that is in fact increasingly under regulated allowing companies to extract more in rents than most people pay in taxes, externalise their costs, acquire monopolistic or cartel price setting powers; while the state has stopped public investment in public goods. "your state officially discriminates against whites," You need to stop reading nazi twitter accounts. You've been shown this is demonstrably untrue. " you havent produced an innovative company since the start of the jet age" Except ARM, that designs most of the chips in consumer electronics. Except deepmind, that invented transformers. I could go on... , the last high iq brit left for the US decades ago, your GDP is now below all US states and approaching that of US territories and you import high crime low iq migrants by the millions. But its the water companies that are the problem. Lmao.
Nimatzo rank	Sun Oct 27 20:31:19 2024 “So as I've pointed out“ There are actual figures on this, we don’t need you to point anything out.
Nimatzo rank	Sun Oct 27 20:33:06 2024 Jergul “We have figured it out.”
Nimatzo rank	Sun Oct 27 20:33:23 2024 lol
Nimatzo rank	Sun Oct 27 20:35:08 2024 Though that is trade mark social democratic hubris. The very thing that has metastasized in these societies. But again thanks for giving us the POV of the tumor. Insightful!
Nimatzo rank	Sun Oct 27 20:39:14 2024 Seb “I am not sure you display the kind of values that would pass a life in the UK test.“ Oh I am 100% that I do not display the values that have destroyed your society, and thus would not pass the test, that is like my entire point here. I am also sure, that despite larping retard, you understood what I said.
jergul rank	Sun Oct 27 21:29:34 2024 Nimi An apt metaphor, but you are projecting. Social democracy is the host you see. Your values, well, are more a cyst than a tumour I hope. Given that we have figured out intergenerational assimilation. I doubt you will be propagating you set of values given the antidote is a mother's education and employment. We men don't matter much with the truly fundamental value choices. Those come from our mothers. From the teat so to speak :).
Seb rank	Mon Oct 28 09:55:14 2024 Nim: Ok Nim, I'll bite. Show me the actual figures of the number of UK Citizenships awarded to people who fail the good character and life in the UK test.
Seb rank	Mon Oct 28 09:57:04 2024 Nim: "Oh I am 100% that I do not display the values that have destroyed your society," Exactly what an Islamist Imam or fervent member of the German NAZI party would say, and why you'd fail such a test.
Seb rank	Mon Oct 28 10:00:34 2024 Or for that matter, what a committed member of the Siloviki or Soviet Commissar might say. This kind of narrow minded, extremist and above all obsessive pursuit of ideological purity is fundamentally alien to the liberal, tolerant mind. Intolerance is one of the few non-violent things that cannot be tolerated.
Nimatzo rank	Mon Oct 28 10:07:07 2024 Jergul For 20 years, people tried to reason with you about immigration, and now, after two decades, you’ve managed to muster, “Yeah, we admit we have some problems with integration, BUT WE’VE FIGURED IT OUT!” It would be funny if it weren’t so tragic, measured in the destruction of society, erosion of trust, and social fragmentation—not to mention all the early whistleblowers who were thrown under the bus as “RAYCISTS!” This reminds me of a recent comment I made, where one of the more intelligent analysts from the Islamic Republic realized, “We need our own chip production.” Just 40 years into the conflict, you know. Your type is slow to realize, and even when you do, that undeserved sense of worth and accomplishment leads you to proclaim you know the solution (to the very problem you created). You lack the ability to self-correct. You’ve become a cancer. I am nothing if not fair! At one point, you were a functioning cell with value; you contributed to society. You popularized social insurances that, no doubt, we’ll carry forward into the future.
Nimatzo rank	Mon Oct 28 10:09:42 2024 "Ok Nim, I'll bite. Show me the actual figures of the number of UK Citizenships awarded to people who fail the good character and life in the UK test." So you are saying you wrote a wall of text about your personal anecdote and did not look at actual figures on how long it takes different demographics to attain citizenship? Looks like we are once again in the familiar path where you talk out of your ass, then I have to supply you with data, so that you can now contort the data, squint and write more walls of text explain that look here in this crevasse, I was correct. Move along seb, move along.
Nimatzo rank	Mon Oct 28 10:14:56 2024 Seb "Exactly what an Islamist Imam or fervent member of the German NAZI party would say, and why you'd fail such a test." This is exactly the kind of "reasoning" made for decades by exactly the kind of bureaucrat that you are, that has destroyed your country. This was, priceless, seb. You literally summarized your own demonic essence, the very thing I see as the root of the problem emergent in "sebgul", in one sentence.
jergul rank	Mon Oct 28 10:35:35 2024 Nimi Its like you think migration laws have not changed over the decades. One of the reasons I am anti-invading countries is because it both radicalizes people and triggers the migration of radicalized people. Tell me. Why do we did we have a problem with Afghani, Iraqi, or Syrian refugees in the first place? Well, because the US and its offshoots like fucking things up abroad. You know, the crap you always support. I suppose you can add Lebanese refugees to the list now. About 5k a day are fleeing into Syria of all places. You dont do data. You emote and dive into your CC inspired rabbit holes to confirm your bias. Accepting quota refugees is incidentally based on international agreements that small nations have to uphold because we direly need international agreements to be upheld. But the problem is like I said, not of my creation. It is the creation of things you strongly support. You are the cyst that is contained within a Social Democracy with the ulikely ambition of becoming a cancer. Stop projecting. The problem now is intergenerational. We have to indoctrinate the children of people who are ignorant and foreign. We simply cannot allow the cysts and warts of foreign values perpetuate. So, yes. Educate and employ the mothers with the support they need to succeed. The grumpy old funny looking funny sounding men will die off sooner or later.
Nimatzo rank	Mon Oct 28 10:40:16 2024 jergul "I doubt you will be propagating you set of values given the antidote is a mother's education and employment. We men don't matter much with the truly fundamental value choices." This merits a separate response Jergul, because it so fucking tragic, because you mean it. All jokes and UP banter aside, while pathetic, it isn't your fault. These are the results you expect after decades of indoctrination. You have no idea how badly Scandinavia needs people like me, you are incapable. That is ok, you don't need to, these issues have moved past you. You don't need to be here.
Nimatzo rank	Mon Oct 28 10:53:36 2024 Jergul "Its like you think migration laws have not changed over the decades." Your type is slow to realize, and even when you do, that undeserved sense of worth and accomplishment leads you to proclaim you know the solution (to the very problem you created). You lack the ability to self-correct. You’ve become a cancer. In Sweden, this only happened thanks to Sweden democrats. You know, literal Nazis. One of defining features of cancer is that it lacks the ability to self-correct. You must use an external force to remove/weaken it. And say you save the liver (immigration), but the cancer has spread the kidneys (environmental policy). Because the cancer lacks self-correction and is largely immune to the criticism of the (social) body, you are just playing wack-a-mole . WE HAVE FIGURE IT OUT!!! "You emote and dive into your CC inspired rabbit holes to confirm your bias." Very vague statement. When it comes to Islam, I was talking about this stuff when I was a teenager, it was just not a big issue that I felt I needed to talk about, because I thought it no longer concerned me. When it comes to immigration, you memory is failing you most likely. I was red pilled just prior to the refugee crisis. Long before CC's "rabbit holes", she was basically only posting in UGT back then. But if this makes you feel better, it's fine with me.
jergul rank	Mon Oct 28 10:58:25 2024 Nimi You see? Deradicalization for them, but not for you. It is exactly the funny looking, funny sounding, grumpy old men like of that ilk that need to be marginalized until they fade away. The way forward is of course education and employment for the mothers of any children. I am fine with you raging against the machine in a country that you do not fully understand. I would prefer your children to become proper Swedes. In a general sense. A few individuals here or there do not matter and there is time. If not that generation, then the next one. If there is a next one (a suprising number of males are projected to never have offspring).
jergul rank	Mon Oct 28 11:08:08 2024 You are projecting again. I self-correct. My thoughts used to rotate around "global citizen" ideas where anything foreign had to be an enrichment eventually. Naive of me to think Social Democracies involitile fortresses that turn to gold anything they touch. Then came the yuppies and their full embrace of foreign ideas. And New Public Management that turned State functionaries into pseudo capitalists pretending to own what they were tasked with managing. And then the honour slayings and all the wierd teenaged gang stuff. Why are those kids not out skiing?? I have always remained constant in not bombing countries though. Nothing good comes of it. Who needs waves of quota refugees traumatized and radicalized by their experiences? The soon to be grumpy old funny walking talking men do not matter. They just have to be marginalized properely. This I have always meant. You can walk and talk in anyway about anything, no matter how outlandish. I am fine with it, though I did have to say sorry to you once for calling you an ingrate. That was uncouth. You do you. It is part of the Social Democratic package for as long as we get to indoctrinate the next generation.
Nimatzo rank	Mon Oct 28 11:09:11 2024 You are just repeating that POV of the tumor stuff again. It was insightful the first time, it is getting boring now. Yes, it must be frightening for the tumor and a radical move when the diagnosis is made. From the point of view of the tumor, the doctor bearing the bad news *is* the problem. You are taking us around in circles. Have a nice ride.
Nimatzo rank	Mon Oct 28 11:16:53 2024 "My thoughts used to rotate around "global citizen" ideas where anything foreign had to be an enrichment eventually." ' I have already addressed this shit twice jergul. And you are as expected and as I have explained inherent problem of your kind, slow on the uptake. I illustrated this perfectly with the spreading cancer. You remove the cancer from immigration policy after 20 years. However, because cancer is gonna do what cancer does, you now have cancer in your kidneys. Another 20 years of destroying the kidneys and the cancer will learn the solution to the problem it created. You will keep doing this until the body is dead. You think I throwing cancer around frivolously, but I have given the comparison quite a lot of thought. Your cult behave like cancer.
jergul rank	Mon Oct 28 11:29:46 2024 Nimi, you do get that you are a foreign entity encapsuled within a Social Democracy, right? Sure, you want to prothelyse your version of sharia law and postulate what your Kaliphate will look like. Like I said, you do you. But you have made the right choices. Married the right woman. Moved to a town where classmates are predominantly Swedish. It will work out fine in the end. You can mumble about and feed pidgeons. I think you will enjoy that.
Nimatzo rank	Mon Oct 28 12:10:32 2024 My children have always lived in a predominately Swedish area. Because me and my family understood the things that took you 20 years, after living in a predominately immigrant area for a year, when I was 15. It's your ego. You were wrong and all the people you called names were right. It is very difficult to walk that back. Had you listened and learned from the likes of me earlier, we wouldn't be here, we wouldn't be having this conversation, you wouldn't feel threatened by what I am saying. Waaa muh social democracy! Yeah but this stuff is fucking up your social democracy. Waaaa sharia law! Waaaa!
Seb rank	Mon Oct 28 12:56:03 2024 Nim: "So you are saying you wrote a wall of text about your personal anecdote" Nope, as was very clearly stated, that was a hypothetical. My wife emigrated here just before the rules changed. The only bit that was specific to me was the evidence rules for relationship but they haven't changed. I also covered the work visa route, and how student and seasonal labour routes don't lead to citizenship. and did not look at actual figures on how long it takes different demographics to attain citizenship? " where you talk out of your ass," That was a summary of the gov.uk guidance on citizen routes actually. "then I have to supply you with data," What data? You've supplied nothing. I've given you a summary of the only routes to citizenship, which you've then incorrectly dismissed as anecdote. The situation is the reverse of what you pretend. You assert there's a route to citizenship based purely on skills or time being here or anything but a cultural fit. You are simply wrong.
jergul rank	Mon Oct 28 13:13:57 2024 Nimi I was wrong to think assimilation an automatic consequence of social democracy's inherent superiority. Turns out, many things we touch still remain turds ;). The lag here is not in immigration policy. That was fully on track by the late 80s after tightening since the early 70s. The problem was with assimilation policies. I always believed assimilation into social democratic norms a critical part of maintaining our national characteristics. The assimilation policies were not good enough and we did not catch on to the critical importance of getting women out into the workplace fast enough. You cannot successfully leverage being a bullied 15 year old to changing social democracies into something they cannot be. Yah, foreign kids with stay at home moms suck. The solution is getting the moms into jobs. Social democracy is up to the challenge. I have faith in my system. Sad that you do not, but then again, what to expect from a first generation male immigrant. You can have a good life mumbling while you feed pigeons. It will be fun for you.
Nimatzo rank	Tue Oct 29 12:31:28 2024 Seb "that was a hypothetical. My wife emigrated here just before the rules changed." Incredibly, even more useless than an anecdote, that is, something that actually happened. "What data?" The one that actually exists on this question. "You've supplied nothing." And non will be supplied. You go have fun with your theories and hypotheticals. "You are simply wrong." I have seen the data, I know they types that live in your society. I know I'm right, mr hypotehetical.
Nimatzo rank	Tue Oct 29 12:44:06 2024 Jergul That you are wrong is not the interesting part, reaching the correct answer is factor of experience, intelligence and time. It took you 20 years. Some people still living in the delusion over migration. You are not the most retarded, clearly. At some point, I was living in the liberal delusion about migration. I remember the conversation that red pilled me and with who it was with. The interesting thing here is why you were wrong, because, you talk too much, you listen too little: "we have figured it out". Every time I tried having a normal grown up conversation with you about these things I was confronted with your habitual low res loq IQ framing e.g "abrahamic faith", with this constant insinuation that you had figured this or the other out in the 80's. Turns out, you had figured out things in the 80's, but they were wrong and stupid, even back then. :) My point is, where we are is not an accident and it was not for the lack of me trying.
Seb rank	Tue Oct 29 18:31:13 2024 Nim: Ok if you don't like a worked example, let's just raw dog the law and statutory guidance. http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2016/19/contents http://www.gov.uk/guidance/immigration-rules/updates Please point me to the relevant regulatory clauses and the associated primary powers and the process by which they are exercised that would allow the secretary of state to confer citizenship on someone purely on the basis of time they have stayed in the UK without regard to cultural fit.
Seb rank	Tue Oct 29 18:32:18 2024 "The one that actually exists on this question." Ok, you assert this data exists - surprising given the route you claim to exist does not in fact exis - prove it.
Seb rank	Tue Oct 29 18:34:32 2024 "I have seen the data," Then you can link to it. You assert there's a pathway to citizenship based purely on time lived in the UK without reference to cultural fit. The law says the govt has no such power to grant citizenship on that basis. The regulations and statutory guidance require a cultural fit test and a fitness of character test. You say this is all lies and you have data to prove it. Ok. Prove it.
Seb rank	Tue Oct 29 18:35:06 2024 Or accept the bleeding obvious - once again you are making stuff up based on your feels.
Sam Adams rank	Tue Oct 29 19:43:07 2024 "once again you are making stuff up based on your feels." Says the guy that believes hamas talking points and that fairbanks alaska is the same size city as london.
Seb rank	Wed Oct 30 00:51:59 2024 Sam: Nope never claimed that. It is however a city, therefore an urban area; and the point about calculating rate is it normalises for population size. Something you evidently fail to understand. Perhaps, in Samstistics, we should take the "rape rate per capita per capita" to make comparisons. It's the sort of asinine innumerate bullshit I'd expect from you.
Seb rank	Wed Oct 30 00:54:22 2024 Or perhaps cities are only considered urban areas by Sam if they have a population above 8m and the US only has one city.
Seb rank	Wed Oct 30 00:55:08 2024 *Only one "urban" city. By Sam definition.
Cherub Cow rank	Wed Oct 30 02:19:33 2024 [sebtard (traitor to the West)]: "The evidence pack for my wife's application was two 6inch ringbinders." That was the end of the thread right there. Did you all see it? sebtard was speaking "hypothetically" about "[if one were]" to do this "hypothetical" thing then it would be "[difficult process]", but then he seems to say that this was his own wife's process — i.e., sebgul has a foreign wife, and everything after that is post-rationalization to justify his treason. sebtard has a vested interest in the destruction of the West because his foreign wife faced difficulties. In reality, his foreign wife should not be enfranchised — difficulties or not. She should not be allowed to vote, take government services, work in government, work in banking or finance, offer loans, receive marital benefits from the government, or protest government policies. The UK should not even recognize the marriage — not even for tax-filing purposes. The only way the UK should even *consider* recognizing a foreign marriage is if national ancestry can be proven (e.g., the wife is genetically English to a high percentage (maybe >80%) marrying an Englishman who has served in combat roles within the armed forces). Even then, *if* the marriage is recognized, she should still be denied the franchise. The only way to bypass this requirement would be difficult service on behalf of the survival of the state. With franchise earned thusly, authority would still require responsibility, hence, any decision made on behalf of the state would face consequences for failure (e.g.; if the enfranchised advocated for open borders and a migrant stabbed an Englishman, the enfranchised would be executed along with the migrant). ... Speaking of criminal migrants, another of seb's guests who totally went through a difficult process and is therefore just as English as anyone: "Axel Rudakubana, 18, who is alleged to have carried out a knife attack in July, has been charged with an offence under the Terrorism Act" [The Telegraph, official Twitter; October 29th, 2024] http://x.com/Telegraph/status/1851297142264234454 Notice that this Islamic terrorist is shown as a young innocent boy for the article image rather than as the reality: a psychotic 18-year-old adult and killer who hates the West and hates England. Search Google Images and see them try to paint it the same way. UK government is such shit that the closest you can get is a hand-drawn image of him in court, covering his face. Remember that this story was suppressed in the news. Everyone knew who the killer was because of the Regime's non-coverage, but saying who they thought it was was itself "racism" or "Islamaphobia". A White man recently died in prison because of his part in the justified unrest that followed. This "Rudakubana" — who, again, is just as English as seb's wife or anyone in the world since we are all English because English is just a piece of paper and we all deserve one and we all already have one because if we ever get one (and we all *should* and *will* get one!) then we have *always* had one — killed three English schoolgirls in cold blood. And the English government protects him and hates and opposes those who had a complaint with him killing three English girls. But don't look back in anger! We need GDP! This will stop once GDP is achieved!! Pinky promise!
jergul rank	Wed Oct 30 02:48:31 2024 CC You should sharpen up. You should avoid normative at all costs. The shift from descriptive (what is) to normative (what should be) is always jarring. Yes, Seb has particular insight into the trevails of imigration due to his foreign wife. Your normative crap does not follow.
jergul rank	Wed Oct 30 02:50:17 2024 Nimi After reflection, I am not quite ready to engage in what I suspect is a bait-switch conversation. Your last post directed at me was mostly reasonable, but we have failed so many times at good faith discussions. Frankly, cat is pregnant, so I have other concerns at this time.
Sam Adams rank	Wed Oct 30 05:43:02 2024 Lol seb compmetely fails to understand stats. You are comparing the 99.9% percentile US tiny "city" to the 1 and only UK giant city. Fail. While ignoring all the US giant cities Fail again. Your mind is small.
Cherub Cow rank	Wed Oct 30 09:48:39 2024 [jergfag (left-wing projection bot, subversive cuck, likely pederast)]: "Your normative crap does not follow." Yes it does, faggot. I can't help you with your low IQ, though, you dumb bitch. lol
Seb rank	Wed Oct 30 09:55:29 2024 Sam: I believe my point was: 1. US definition of rape used in statistics is far more limited than the UK 2. London wasn't in the top ten of US cities by rape stats even failing to account for the fact that the stats use fundamentally different definitions that would mean you'd expect the UK figures to be an order of magnitude higher numerically. You are now complaining that none of top ten us cities compare to London. Well sure. The only city in the US that compares to London is New York. The bigger problem in your comparison of rape rates isn't the lack of suitably large cities in the US, it's the fact you are comparing two entirely different metrics as though they were the same. That's far more important than second order effects like the actual size of the city; which is already normalized per capita. Stop being an innumerate clown Sam.
jergul rank	Wed Oct 30 10:04:13 2024 CC Jergul [superhero and enabler of all that is good] feels that your hissyfit kind of proves his point.
Sam Adams rank	Thu Oct 31 18:10:26 2024 Seb complains about changing the definition of rape while blatantly changing the definition of city. Palestinian level iq.
Sam Adams rank	Thu Oct 31 22:45:30 2024 In sebs country if you are white, say bad words on facebook, you go to jail for 3 years. If you are a muslim invader, kill a guy, flee the scene, you are given no jail time. https://x.com/Con_Tomlinson/status/1851760674130772368
williamthebastard rank	Thu Oct 31 22:55:33 2024 SA is genetically inferior rubbish
williamthebastard rank	Thu Oct 31 22:59:19 2024 He's Trump without any money or power
Sam Adams rank	Fri Nov 01 16:55:37 2024 Wtb enjoy your new muslim rape gangs.
Sam Adams rank	Fri Nov 01 16:57:08 2024 Oh wait i think you actually might enjoy that.
Sam Adams rank	Mon Nov 04 04:51:53 2024 http://x.com/DaveAtherton20/status/1852807296134398313 Two tier sebs strike again.
Seb rank	Mon Nov 04 14:45:19 2024 Lol. Roughed up. He grabbed both of them by the shoulder, and the first one swore and was provocatively inviting a fight "fucking come and say that over here then" while the liaison officer was trying to de-escalate and separate two people. The second case, the woman isn't even swearing "pack of lies, pack of lies". Perhaps he misheard "fuck off lies", or perhaps he was being proactive. The first incident was warranted by the fact the guy was interfering with the policing. So yeah, it will be more forceful. But to say that's roughed up is absurd snowflakery.
Sam Adams rank	Mon Nov 04 18:00:38 2024 Seb didnt watch the video and just made that up. Not a single thing you said matches reality in the slightest. Just lies on top of lies on top of lies. And the people see through your lies. You are creating so many enemies.
Cherub Cow rank	Mon Nov 04 18:20:57 2024 It really says a lot about sebgul's pro-Regime ideology that it can only function through lies.
Seb rank	Mon Nov 04 20:18:02 2024 Course I watched the video, hence I am able to accurately quote the lady saying "pack of lies".
Seb rank	Mon Nov 04 20:22:42 2024 Kid says "fookin come over here and say it then" at 0:13 while Liason officer is moving between protestor and counter protestor to separate them. Liaison officer grabs him at 0:15. Pack of lies at 0:39 At 0:42, liason officer grabs her shoulder , jabs her other shoulder, tells her no swearing (I can't hear any swearing)
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