Utopia Talk / Politics / Syrians in Europe

murder Member	Thu Dec 12 10:05:41 Europe’s Syrians shaken by debate over repatriation to their war-ravaged homeland For many Syrian refugees in Europe, joy at the fall of Assad has been tempered by immediate calls for them to go home. http://www...-refugees-germany-deportation/
murder Member	Thu Dec 12 10:10:10 They didn't even get a week to celebrate before ugly reality came for them.
Paramount Member	Thu Dec 12 10:45:38 The leader of the Zionist pro-Israel party, The Sweden Democrats, said, literally on the same day it was officially announced that Assad had been overthrown, that he wants to revoke permanent residence permit of Syrians in Sweden. He said it was a good opportunity to do it now.
ConcernedJew Member	Thu Dec 12 10:57:34 Keep the Syrians in Europe, please.
obaminated Member	Thu Dec 12 11:27:48 Haha I love this. The real European colors are immediately showing once they have a reason to get rid of the immigrants they don't want and they no longer are required to virtue signal.
jergul large member	Thu Dec 12 11:46:09 To be fair, AQ took over Syria, so it may be a little bit premature to think Asylum conditions no longer apply.
murder Member	Thu Dec 12 12:24:50 "Haha I love this. The real European colors are immediately showing once they have a reason to get rid of the immigrants they don't want and they no longer are required to virtue signal." Nothing much has changed. Most everyone who want to send them back now are the same people who wanted to send them back before, and most people who didn't want to force them back before don't want to now. -
murder Member	Thu Dec 12 12:26:48 "To be fair, AQ took over Syria, so it may be a little bit premature to think Asylum conditions no longer apply." No way! These jihadis are inclusive and respect everyone's rights. They should all be allowed to apply for permanent residence. Keep the useful ones, and send the less desirable ones back.
murder Member	Thu Dec 12 12:29:19 "The leader of the Zionist pro-Israel party, The Sweden Democrats, said, literally on the same day it was officially announced that Assad had been overthrown, that he wants to revoke permanent residence permit of Syrians in Sweden. He said it was a good opportunity to do it now." And you object? There is a logic to it. You need that asylum capacity for other people fleeing oppression. Want some Cubans? -
jergul large member	Thu Dec 12 12:58:35 Is in too late to return the Hungarians? I feel their country turned around nicely'ish.
Rugian Member	Thu Dec 12 13:04:12 Hungarians? Psssh. There's like 40 groups that have been around for less time in Europe than the Magyars. "So, take me back to Constantinople No, you can't go back to Constantinople Been a long time gone, Constantinople Why did Constantinople get the works? That's nobody's business but the Turks"
Paramount Member	Thu Dec 12 15:28:30 Murder: ”And you object?” Yes, it’s way too early to return to Syria. There are much uncertainties right now. The country needs to be stabilized and safe first. If people wants to return voluntarily, that’s fine, as long as they don’t join a terrorist group. There are laws on that. It’s a crime to travel abroad to join a terrorist group.
Seb Member	Fri Dec 13 02:33:37 I think now that religious tolerance is guaranteed in Europe, pretty much the entire of the US non-native population should return home.
Seb Member	Fri Dec 13 02:36:45 It's been ten years so probably a lot of those refugees have long been granted settled status or naturalised; had kids in Europe etc. Many will return home. Might be sensible to offer incentives for voluntary return if/when its safe.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Fri Dec 13 03:28:37 "pretty much the entire of the US non-native population should return home" Hi my name is sebtard I don't understand the difference between people who migrated here 10 years ago and people who are the descendants immigrants 8 generations back. I am cousin with Jergtard. "long been granted settled status or naturalised" The same guy who argued hypothetically that the UK path to citizenship, hypothetically, was very difficult, hypothetically speaking.
Rugian Member	Fri Dec 13 04:57:44 "I think now that religious tolerance is guaranteed in Europe, pretty much the entire of the US non-native population should return home." Maybe if you guys agree not to tax us.
jergul large member	Fri Dec 13 06:16:20 You may have representation.
Rugian Member	Fri Dec 13 06:40:45 Fair enough. The repatriation of Norwegian-Americans to Norway would basically double your population. And most of them are from the Trump-loving states. If you never understood why the Israelis so adamantly oppose RoR...there you go :)
jergul large member	Fri Dec 13 06:49:43 You may have tax immunity.
Rugian Member	Fri Dec 13 06:50:46 lol :)
murder Member	Fri Dec 13 07:37:08 "I think now that religious tolerance is guaranteed in Europe, pretty much the entire of the US non-native population should return home." Think hard Seb ... do you really want us back? :o)
Seb Member	Fri Dec 13 08:13:07 Nim doesn't understand the difference between residency and citizenship!
Seb Member	Fri Dec 13 08:15:16 Murder: Not really. My point was really that when you grant people settled status (especially after they have kids that are entitled to citizenship) you can't go ripping that away.
Rugian Member	Fri Dec 13 08:18:24 So they were never really refugees then. Immigrants is the word. Another lie perpetuated by the EU against the people of Europe. If you ask me, the UHC CEO was the wrong person receiving a bullet.
Seb Member	Fri Dec 13 10:05:20 Rugian: Um no. How the fuck do you figure that out? What do you actually know about refugee laws?
Seb Member	Fri Dec 13 10:09:22 Not all refugees will necessarily have applied or been granted settlement status; but plenty will have been, on the basis that the was at the time little foreseeable hope of it being safe to return. It's not as simple as "Assad's gone, fuck off".
Seb Member	Fri Dec 13 10:09:56 Refugee is a migratory status, yes.
murder Member	Fri Dec 13 10:19:24 If they don't get sent back, prepare for even more and angrier anti-immigrant backlash from Europeans. -
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sat Dec 14 02:02:02 Sebtard thinks that for every problem and issue that immigrations brings, there is a difference between residency and citizenship. Sebtard doesn’t understand that these issues weave into each other, because sebtard only has hypotheticals to go by. Very predictable sebtard. It’s almost as if you got set up.
jergul large member	Sat Dec 14 02:28:40 Murder Anti-establishment backlash. Nimi I dunno. Citizenship suggests at least a proforma move towards assimilation. The qualifying tests mean a successfull citizen has learned the language and a lot about the culture, legal framework and political system. Integration takes three generations anyway. It always has. See Minnesota for odd qwerks that can remain after a century. A US comedian made a compelling case for Beigistan on a netflix special recently. Some of that influence may not be a bad thing.
Seb Member	Sat Dec 14 05:08:12 Nim: In the context of the discussion we had previously (or rather the one you barged in on) yes, there was a distinction between residency and citizenship. Residents don't get voting rights.
Seb Member	Sat Dec 14 05:10:25 Nim, if you can't even keep a train of thought going across a few weeks, maybe recognise you've cognitively impaired yourself (interesting new studies on long term microdosing published a few days back) and stop trying these gotchas that turn out to be prat-falls?
murder Member	Sat Dec 14 06:10:20 "Anti-establishment backlash." I'll have to take your word for it. From here it just looks like people angry about immigrants.
jergul large member	Sat Dec 14 06:26:28 They are angry about many things.
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