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Rugian
Member Thu Dec 19 12:55:24
Republicans scrapped House Speaker Mike Johnson’s bipartisan plan to avert a government shutdown, as President-elect Donald Trump and Elon Musk joined a broad swath of the House GOP on Wednesday to condemn a compromise bill that included Democratic policy priorities.

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On Tuesday evening, Johnson had introduced legislation to extend federal funding until March 14, send $110.4 billion to natural disaster survivors and codify a host of unrelated policy changes. Late in negotiations Johnson added an additional $10 billion of aid for farmers — which opened the door to a slew of unrelated demands by Democrats to ensure the bill could pass the House and Democratic-led Senate. Those included transferring control of the District’s RFK Stadium to Washington, D.C., a pay raise for members of Congress, new regulations for health plan administrators and federal funds to rebuild Baltimore’s collapsed Francis Scott Key bridge.

Republicans grew so upset with the speaker over those provisions — even before Musk started attacking the bill — that a number of lawmakers have already said privately that they would not support him to retain his gavel in the next Congress.

Rep. Thomas Massie (R-Kentucky) said he would not vote for Johnson to remain speaker. Two other GOP members, speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss the sensitive topic, said the question of support was likely moot: Based on defections that had yet to become public, Johnson would probably be forced out of the running before lawmakers would have to make up their minds on Jan. 3, the member said. Conversations about replacing Johnson as speaker had already begun in certain corners of the GOP conference in the last several days, according to multiple Republicans who took part in the discussions.

http://www.../ar-AA1w6RyE?ocid=BingNewsSerp

Rugian
Member Thu Dec 19 12:58:47
Ceding ground on Democratic voting prioritird in order to add your own pork spending to legislation should disqualify any Republican Speaker from the job.

But let's face it, both parties only want to spend more and more on their own pet projects. Neither side is concerned with stopping the expansion of the government, much less shrinking it.

They think they can get away with it too because voters have short memories, and anyway most of them will have been long gone by the time the bill finally comes due for all of this spending in the 2030s.

Fuck the DC swamp.

Im better then you
2012 UP Football Champ Thu Dec 19 13:31:23
obviously Trump doesn't give a shit about debt.

40-50 million people are flying this weekend. Its not a time for a government shutdown.

murder
Member Thu Dec 19 13:46:11

That's OK, Rand Paul has the perfect candidate for House Speaker.

Elon Musk

Rugian
Member Thu Dec 19 13:48:31
This must be the worst timeline for you right now, isn't it murder.

murder
Member Thu Dec 19 14:26:04

Are you kidding? Musk becomes Speaker and competes with Trump for power and attention?

I'll bring the popcorn. :o)

murder
Member Fri Dec 20 00:58:40

And Plan B has now failed. The Trump endorsed not so clean continuing resolution failed badly ...

174-235-1

Once again MAGA blows up a bipartisan deal only to fail to herd their own cats.

> FYI the MAGA majority in the House gets even smaller once the newly elected members get sworn in on Jan 3rd 2025.

-

Rugian
Member Fri Dec 20 08:56:00
Yup, Democrats just killed Plan B (a 2/3rds majority was required, so they needed to be on board with it). Looks like they've decided to proceed with a shutdown.

murder
Member Fri Dec 20 09:59:25

I'm sure that's a winning argument.

Rugian
Member Fri Dec 20 10:19:11
More Democrats than Republicans voted against it...so yes.

tumbleweed
the wanderer Fri Dec 20 11:00:54
who created it? are D's welcomed into the negotiations & is compromise valued?

tumbleweed
the wanderer Fri Dec 20 11:02:17
and has Elon Musk apologized for all the misinfo he spread about the first bill...

things are gonna be quite fucked up for many years (up to permanently)

Rugian
Member Fri Dec 20 11:45:25
"who created it?"

The majority party.

"are D's welcomed into the negotiations & is compromise valued?"

What compromise would be required for a clean CR? If a clean CR is the goal, it literally is just an extension of existing funding commitments.

The "compromise" is already built in by the fact that Republicans aren't making any calls for spending cuts (which they absolutely should, as our federal government spends *way& too much)

Also, how much "compromise" did Nancy Pelosi seek to effectuate with Republicans when she was running the House like a dictatorship?

"and has Elon Musk apologized for all the misinfo he spread about the first bill..."

I thought "normal" political lies were okay, according to you

tumbleweed
the wanderer Fri Dec 20 12:04:29
"The majority party"

i agree... your chosen 'leader' doesn't:

total obvious shitbag:
"
If there is going to be a shutdown of government, let it begin now, under the Biden Administration, not after January 20th, under “TRUMP.” This is a Biden problem to solve, but if Republicans can help solve it, they will!
"
----------

"clean CR"

it's not a clean CR w/ putting debt ceiling removal just for lord Trump (the ONLY thing he cares about)

--------

"normal" political lying isn't ok, just it is ever present & apparently unable to be removed...and your 'party' just picked the worst offender of all time who goes WELL beyond the "normal" spin (& his side kick who runs a massive social media outlet, happy to join in apparently, with just flat lies about what was in the bill)

kargen
Member Fri Dec 20 13:56:31
Dept ceiling removal would really do nothing but prevent a default on loans. The ceiling doesn't put a cap on spending nor can it put a cap on debt. All it does is put a cap on how much debt can be paid down each year.
Democrats in 2022 were all for removing the debt ceiling and failing that wanted to raise the ceiling.
What they ended up doing in 2023 is suspending the debt ceiling until 2025 when the debt ceiling will automatically rise to the amount of debt the Federal Reserve is carrying at that time.

So basically the last two years there hasn't been a debt ceiling at all. Democrats changed their collective minds because they discovered the unthinkable had happened...they agreed with Trump on something.

tumbleweed
the wanderer Fri Dec 20 15:57:18
so you have no issue with Trump telling R's to default on the debt/shut down gov't/etc when he's out of office, but when going in he wants everything different for him?

"Congress must get rid of, or extend out to, perhaps, 2029, the ridiculous Debt Ceiling. Without this, we should never make a deal. Remember, the pressure is on whoever is President."

that comment isn't just embarrassing?

hmmm "perhaps" 2029? sounds like a good number...

kargen
Member Fri Dec 20 16:22:12
Trump didn't say default on the debt. He wants the debt ceiling removed. If it can't be removed he wants an extension on how it works now meaning no debt ceiling.
Either an extension or removal would allow debt to be paid. The debt ceiling has nothing to do with spending. What is needed is a no deficit spending law.

tumbleweed
the wanderer Fri Dec 20 16:44:24
Master Elon has endorsed a new deal that supposedly doesn't remove debt ceiling, which is the only thing Lord Trump cares about, so there could be trouble in the palace

i'm sure neither has any understanding of what's in the bill... Elon possibly has a bit of info, thus making it more than Trump could ever have...

yet these two determine how the whole cult operates...

murder
Member Fri Dec 20 17:08:54

The new continuing resolution with it's giveaway to red states passed the House.

murder
Member Fri Dec 20 17:11:03

Democrats never learn.

murder
Member Fri Dec 20 17:11:28

The package passed 366-34, with the support of 170 Democrats and 196 Republicans.

kargen
Member Fri Dec 20 20:55:30
Christmas is saved.

Well almost saved. We still have the idiots holding up Amazon deliveries. But hey the government gets to spend more money so we have that going for us.

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Rugian Member	Thu Dec 19 12:55:24 Republicans scrapped House Speaker Mike Johnson’s bipartisan plan to avert a government shutdown, as President-elect Donald Trump and Elon Musk joined a broad swath of the House GOP on Wednesday to condemn a compromise bill that included Democratic policy priorities. ... On Tuesday evening, Johnson had introduced legislation to extend federal funding until March 14, send $110.4 billion to natural disaster survivors and codify a host of unrelated policy changes. Late in negotiations Johnson added an additional $10 billion of aid for farmers — which opened the door to a slew of unrelated demands by Democrats to ensure the bill could pass the House and Democratic-led Senate. Those included transferring control of the District’s RFK Stadium to Washington, D.C., a pay raise for members of Congress, new regulations for health plan administrators and federal funds to rebuild Baltimore’s collapsed Francis Scott Key bridge. Republicans grew so upset with the speaker over those provisions — even before Musk started attacking the bill — that a number of lawmakers have already said privately that they would not support him to retain his gavel in the next Congress. Rep. Thomas Massie (R-Kentucky) said he would not vote for Johnson to remain speaker. Two other GOP members, speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss the sensitive topic, said the question of support was likely moot: Based on defections that had yet to become public, Johnson would probably be forced out of the running before lawmakers would have to make up their minds on Jan. 3, the member said. Conversations about replacing Johnson as speaker had already begun in certain corners of the GOP conference in the last several days, according to multiple Republicans who took part in the discussions. http://www.../ar-AA1w6RyE?ocid=BingNewsSerp
Rugian Member	Thu Dec 19 12:58:47 Ceding ground on Democratic voting prioritird in order to add your own pork spending to legislation should disqualify any Republican Speaker from the job. But let's face it, both parties only want to spend more and more on their own pet projects. Neither side is concerned with stopping the expansion of the government, much less shrinking it. They think they can get away with it too because voters have short memories, and anyway most of them will have been long gone by the time the bill finally comes due for all of this spending in the 2030s. Fuck the DC swamp.
Im better then you 2012 UP Football Champ	Thu Dec 19 13:31:23 obviously Trump doesn't give a shit about debt. 40-50 million people are flying this weekend. Its not a time for a government shutdown.
murder Member	Thu Dec 19 13:46:11 That's OK, Rand Paul has the perfect candidate for House Speaker. Elon Musk
Rugian Member	Thu Dec 19 13:48:31 This must be the worst timeline for you right now, isn't it murder.
murder Member	Thu Dec 19 14:26:04 Are you kidding? Musk becomes Speaker and competes with Trump for power and attention? I'll bring the popcorn. :o)
murder Member	Fri Dec 20 00:58:40 And Plan B has now failed. The Trump endorsed not so clean continuing resolution failed badly ... 174-235-1 Once again MAGA blows up a bipartisan deal only to fail to herd their own cats. > FYI the MAGA majority in the House gets even smaller once the newly elected members get sworn in on Jan 3rd 2025. -
Rugian Member	Fri Dec 20 08:56:00 Yup, Democrats just killed Plan B (a 2/3rds majority was required, so they needed to be on board with it). Looks like they've decided to proceed with a shutdown.
murder Member	Fri Dec 20 09:59:25 I'm sure that's a winning argument.
Rugian Member	Fri Dec 20 10:19:11 More Democrats than Republicans voted against it...so yes.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Dec 20 11:00:54 who created it? are D's welcomed into the negotiations & is compromise valued?
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Dec 20 11:02:17 and has Elon Musk apologized for all the misinfo he spread about the first bill... things are gonna be quite fucked up for many years (up to permanently)
Rugian Member	Fri Dec 20 11:45:25 "who created it?" The majority party. "are D's welcomed into the negotiations & is compromise valued?" What compromise would be required for a clean CR? If a clean CR is the goal, it literally is just an extension of existing funding commitments. The "compromise" is already built in by the fact that Republicans aren't making any calls for spending cuts (which they absolutely should, as our federal government spends *way& too much) Also, how much "compromise" did Nancy Pelosi seek to effectuate with Republicans when she was running the House like a dictatorship? "and has Elon Musk apologized for all the misinfo he spread about the first bill..." I thought "normal" political lies were okay, according to you
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Dec 20 12:04:29 "The majority party" i agree... your chosen 'leader' doesn't: total obvious shitbag: " If there is going to be a shutdown of government, let it begin now, under the Biden Administration, not after January 20th, under “TRUMP.” This is a Biden problem to solve, but if Republicans can help solve it, they will! " ---------- "clean CR" it's not a clean CR w/ putting debt ceiling removal just for lord Trump (the ONLY thing he cares about) -------- "normal" political lying isn't ok, just it is ever present & apparently unable to be removed...and your 'party' just picked the worst offender of all time who goes WELL beyond the "normal" spin (& his side kick who runs a massive social media outlet, happy to join in apparently, with just flat lies about what was in the bill)
kargen Member	Fri Dec 20 13:56:31 Dept ceiling removal would really do nothing but prevent a default on loans. The ceiling doesn't put a cap on spending nor can it put a cap on debt. All it does is put a cap on how much debt can be paid down each year. Democrats in 2022 were all for removing the debt ceiling and failing that wanted to raise the ceiling. What they ended up doing in 2023 is suspending the debt ceiling until 2025 when the debt ceiling will automatically rise to the amount of debt the Federal Reserve is carrying at that time. So basically the last two years there hasn't been a debt ceiling at all. Democrats changed their collective minds because they discovered the unthinkable had happened...they agreed with Trump on something.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Dec 20 15:57:18 so you have no issue with Trump telling R's to default on the debt/shut down gov't/etc when he's out of office, but when going in he wants everything different for him? "Congress must get rid of, or extend out to, perhaps, 2029, the ridiculous Debt Ceiling. Without this, we should never make a deal. Remember, the pressure is on whoever is President." that comment isn't just embarrassing? hmmm "perhaps" 2029? sounds like a good number...
kargen Member	Fri Dec 20 16:22:12 Trump didn't say default on the debt. He wants the debt ceiling removed. If it can't be removed he wants an extension on how it works now meaning no debt ceiling. Either an extension or removal would allow debt to be paid. The debt ceiling has nothing to do with spending. What is needed is a no deficit spending law.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Dec 20 16:44:24 Master Elon has endorsed a new deal that supposedly doesn't remove debt ceiling, which is the only thing Lord Trump cares about, so there could be trouble in the palace i'm sure neither has any understanding of what's in the bill... Elon possibly has a bit of info, thus making it more than Trump could ever have... yet these two determine how the whole cult operates...
murder Member	Fri Dec 20 17:08:54 The new continuing resolution with it's giveaway to red states passed the House.
murder Member	Fri Dec 20 17:11:03 Democrats never learn.
murder Member	Fri Dec 20 17:11:28 The package passed 366-34, with the support of 170 Democrats and 196 Republicans.
kargen Member	Fri Dec 20 20:55:30 Christmas is saved. Well almost saved. We still have the idiots holding up Amazon deliveries. But hey the government gets to spend more money so we have that going for us.
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