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Paramount
Member Sat Dec 21 02:18:26
Well, the election in Romania was cancelled because allegedly some Russian said something on TikTok. And here we have an American saying something on X. So I wonder if Germany will cancel their election now? Maybe it depends on who is winning. If the wrong party wins they will annul and cancel it? That's the best, because you don't want to annul the election if the right party wins, right?

Elon Musk: "Only AfD can save Germany"

Billionaire Elon Musk, one of Donald Trump's closest confidants, expresses support for the German far-right party AfD in a post on his platform X.

"Only AfD can save Germany," he writes in a comment on a critical clip about Friedrich Merz, leader of the Christian Democratic Union (CDU) and favorite to be the new chancellor.

Several German members of parliament have reacted angrily to Musk's post, according to AFP.

- It is threatening, irritating and unacceptable that a key figure in the future US administration is interfering in the German election campaign, says CDU member Dennis Radtke

http://omn...fd-kan-radda-tyskland/a/alydOL

Daemon
Member Sat Dec 21 04:23:07
"Well, the election in Romania was cancelled because allegedly some Russian said something on TikTok"

I'm certainly not as good informed as you are, but a WP article describes it a little bit different:

http://en....Romanian_presidential_election

The Romanian Service of Information also declared that Georgescu said he had "Zero lei electoral campaign budget", but subsequent investigations revealed an undeclared donation of up to €1,000,000 from third parties. This prompted the Court to annull the election results

murder
Member Sat Dec 21 05:27:06

Elon Musk is not American. He is an illegal immigrant who hasn't been deported yet.

Paramount
Member Sat Dec 21 05:50:57
"I'm certainly not as good informed as you are, but a WP article describes it a little bit different: "

From wiki:

The Romanian Supreme Council for National Defense (CSAT) released declassified reports alleging cyberattacks and financial support from Russian entities to influence the election.

http://en....in_the_2024_Romanian_elections

Alleged. They wrote a paper where they say that Russia did this but they haven't presented any evidence.

I can also write a paper and claim all sorts of things :)

Daemon
Member Sat Dec 21 05:54:55
Isn't "claiming all sorts of things" what you do here everyday?

Paramount
Member Sat Dec 21 06:00:54
"Elon Musk is not American."

Not being an American is not an obstacle to help run the US government behind the curtains.

Paramount
Member Sat Dec 21 06:05:37
"Isn't "claiming all sorts of things" what you do here everyday?"

Not all sorts of things. But some things. Most I can backup with a source, some is just trolling. But I'm also a private citizen. I'm not a government official and I'm not a journalist or a scientist. So I don't have to be strictly following some ethics and be 100% honest all of the time. Romanian government officials has got to be 100% honest to the Romanian citizens all of the time.

Daemon
Member Sat Dec 21 06:09:00
"I'm not a government official and I'm not a journalist or a scientist. So I don't have to be strictly following some ethics and be 100% honest all of the time."

What makes you think so that is no problem at all if you lie to people?

Rugian
Member Sat Dec 21 06:14:47
Murder is spreading fake news again. Musk is an American, and he has been for 22 years.

Rugian
Member Sat Dec 21 06:16:47
And murder of all people is not in a position to judge who is and isn't an American.

I can't wait until Homan reports him and his entire family back to Cuba.

jergul
large member Sat Dec 21 07:05:55
Ruggy
He is also Canadian and South African. A man with three masters is a servant of none.

Paramount
Member Sat Dec 21 07:36:47
"What makes you think so that is no problem at all if you lie to people?"

Never said anything about if it is a problem or not. I have also not lied in this thread. Not yet. But if I have, then not consciously :)

Sometimes it is good or necessary to lie. Most government officials will agree. Everyone lies. Especially the enemy. This is how the world looks like. Don't be naive. And don't judge me in a higher standard than government officials.

Have you never told a lie?

If being honest is an important virtue to you. Why aren't you more concerned about the probability that government officials are telling lies to its people. Why don't you question the Romanian officials and ask them to present proof of their accusations? It should be important, yes? Because we are talking about a democratic election that has been cancelled.

Are you upset that people questions the sincerity and reason for the cancelled elections in Romania? Maybe you got sad when I pointed out that they have not presented any actual evidence of Russian interference in the Romanian election. Maybe you want to protect the lie because you are blind of hate towards anything Russian?

murder
Member Sat Dec 21 08:20:10

"Murder is spreading fake news again. Musk is an American, and he has been for 22 years."

Lying about your status is ground for having your citizenship revoked.

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Paramount Member	Sat Dec 21 02:18:26 Well, the election in Romania was cancelled because allegedly some Russian said something on TikTok. And here we have an American saying something on X. So I wonder if Germany will cancel their election now? Maybe it depends on who is winning. If the wrong party wins they will annul and cancel it? That's the best, because you don't want to annul the election if the right party wins, right? Elon Musk: "Only AfD can save Germany" Billionaire Elon Musk, one of Donald Trump's closest confidants, expresses support for the German far-right party AfD in a post on his platform X. "Only AfD can save Germany," he writes in a comment on a critical clip about Friedrich Merz, leader of the Christian Democratic Union (CDU) and favorite to be the new chancellor. Several German members of parliament have reacted angrily to Musk's post, according to AFP. - It is threatening, irritating and unacceptable that a key figure in the future US administration is interfering in the German election campaign, says CDU member Dennis Radtke http://omn...fd-kan-radda-tyskland/a/alydOL
Daemon Member	Sat Dec 21 04:23:07 "Well, the election in Romania was cancelled because allegedly some Russian said something on TikTok" I'm certainly not as good informed as you are, but a WP article describes it a little bit different: http://en....Romanian_presidential_election The Romanian Service of Information also declared that Georgescu said he had "Zero lei electoral campaign budget", but subsequent investigations revealed an undeclared donation of up to €1,000,000 from third parties. This prompted the Court to annull the election results
murder Member	Sat Dec 21 05:27:06 Elon Musk is not American. He is an illegal immigrant who hasn't been deported yet.
Paramount Member	Sat Dec 21 05:50:57 "I'm certainly not as good informed as you are, but a WP article describes it a little bit different: " From wiki: The Romanian Supreme Council for National Defense (CSAT) released declassified reports alleging cyberattacks and financial support from Russian entities to influence the election. http://en....in_the_2024_Romanian_elections Alleged. They wrote a paper where they say that Russia did this but they haven't presented any evidence. I can also write a paper and claim all sorts of things :)
Daemon Member	Sat Dec 21 05:54:55 Isn't "claiming all sorts of things" what you do here everyday?
Paramount Member	Sat Dec 21 06:00:54 "Elon Musk is not American." Not being an American is not an obstacle to help run the US government behind the curtains.
Paramount Member	Sat Dec 21 06:05:37 "Isn't "claiming all sorts of things" what you do here everyday?" Not all sorts of things. But some things. Most I can backup with a source, some is just trolling. But I'm also a private citizen. I'm not a government official and I'm not a journalist or a scientist. So I don't have to be strictly following some ethics and be 100% honest all of the time. Romanian government officials has got to be 100% honest to the Romanian citizens all of the time.
Daemon Member	Sat Dec 21 06:09:00 "I'm not a government official and I'm not a journalist or a scientist. So I don't have to be strictly following some ethics and be 100% honest all of the time." What makes you think so that is no problem at all if you lie to people?
Rugian Member	Sat Dec 21 06:14:47 Murder is spreading fake news again. Musk is an American, and he has been for 22 years.
Rugian Member	Sat Dec 21 06:16:47 And murder of all people is not in a position to judge who is and isn't an American. I can't wait until Homan reports him and his entire family back to Cuba.
jergul large member	Sat Dec 21 07:05:55 Ruggy He is also Canadian and South African. A man with three masters is a servant of none.
Paramount Member	Sat Dec 21 07:36:47 "What makes you think so that is no problem at all if you lie to people?" Never said anything about if it is a problem or not. I have also not lied in this thread. Not yet. But if I have, then not consciously :) Sometimes it is good or necessary to lie. Most government officials will agree. Everyone lies. Especially the enemy. This is how the world looks like. Don't be naive. And don't judge me in a higher standard than government officials. Have you never told a lie? If being honest is an important virtue to you. Why aren't you more concerned about the probability that government officials are telling lies to its people. Why don't you question the Romanian officials and ask them to present proof of their accusations? It should be important, yes? Because we are talking about a democratic election that has been cancelled. Are you upset that people questions the sincerity and reason for the cancelled elections in Romania? Maybe you got sad when I pointed out that they have not presented any actual evidence of Russian interference in the Romanian election. Maybe you want to protect the lie because you are blind of hate towards anything Russian?
murder Member	Sat Dec 21 08:20:10 "Murder is spreading fake news again. Musk is an American, and he has been for 22 years." Lying about your status is ground for having your citizenship revoked.
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