Utopia Talk / Politics / Seriously, Greenland should be ours

Rugian Member	Thu Jan 09 17:50:02 The United States could potentially have challenged Denmark's claim to the far north of Greenland. Much of northern Greenland had not been mapped when the Kiel treaty was signed in 1814. During the Polaris Expedition of the early 1870s, American Charles Francis Hall was the first outsider to see northwest Greenland, decades before Denmark's first permanent settlement in the northwest in 1909.[30] From 1886 to 1909, American Robert Peary was the first outsider to explore far northern Greenland and claimed much of the area for the United States.[31][22] http://en....d_States_to_purchase_Greenland We discovered the northern half of the island. If Denmark wants to keep Nuuk and those other southern hovels that's fine, but the rest of that shit 100% belongs to us.
Turtle Crawler Admin	Thu Jan 09 17:56:50 What's funny is they think they'd get paid for it or it would be for sale. It would obviously just be taken.
murder Member	Thu Jan 09 17:58:44 It would have to be since we're slashing spending.
jergul large member	Thu Jan 09 19:37:58 Yes, ruggy. Danish stewardship has lackings and that entail it should be returned to the original Norwegian owners. I thank you for your support!
TheChildren Member	Thu Jan 09 23:44:59 mask off land grab
williamthebastard Member	Fri Jan 10 07:20:06 Remember all the lies from the cult about how they love that Trump isnt going to start any wars or international interventions? He isnt even in office and is making utterly unprecedented threats towards perfectly peaceful western allies and neighbours. Remember: To take a syllable from a Magan seriously for even a millisecond is to do a Chamberlain
williamthebastard Member	Fri Jan 10 07:42:58 If China was talking about the USA the way the USA is talking about its own allies, Maga, who can never, ever, under any conditions, be debated with honestly, would be calling it a declaration of war.
obaminated Member	Fri Jan 10 13:14:00 Hey fagfish, how many wars did trump wage during his first term?
obaminated Member	Fri Jan 10 13:14:26 Hey fagfish, have you ever negotiated a deal before? Do you know how to negotiate?
obaminated Member	Fri Jan 10 13:15:57 Fagfish strikes me as the type of person who walks onto a car lot, sees the sticker price and doesn't have the intelligence or confidence to barter the price down.
Average Ameriacn Member	Fri Jan 24 12:54:34 Trump keeps on winning! Europeans shit themselves! http://www...6f-3307-43f8-aac3-16b6646b60f6 Donald Trump in fiery call with Denmark’s prime minister over Greenland US president insisted he wants to take over Arctic island Donald Trump insisted he was serious in his determination to take over Greenland in a fiery telephone call with Denmark’s prime minister, according to senior European officials. The US president spoke to Mette Frederiksen, the Danish premier, for 45 minutes last week. The White House has not commented on the call but Frederiksen said she had emphasised that the vast Arctic island — an autonomous part of the kingdom of Denmark — was not for sale, while noting America’s “big interest” in it. Five current and former senior European officials briefed on the call said the conversation had gone very badly. They added that Trump had been aggressive and confrontational following the Danish prime minister’s comments that the island was not for sale, despite her offer of more co-operation on military bases and mineral exploitation. “It was horrendous,” said one of the people. Another added: “He was very firm. It was a cold shower. Before, it was hard to take it seriously. But I do think it is serious, and potentially very dangerous.” The details of the call are likely to deepen European concerns that Trump’s return to power will strain transatlantic ties more than ever, as the US president heaps pressure on allies to give up territory. Trump has started his second term musing about potentially taking over Greenland, the Panama Canal, and even Canada. Many European officials had hoped his comments about seeking control of Greenland for “national security” reasons were a negotiating ploy to gain more influence over the Nato territory. Russia and China are both also jostling for position in the Arctic. But the call with Frederiksen has crushed such hopes, deepening the foreign policy crisis between the Nato allies. “The intent was very clear. They want it. The Danes are now in crisis mode,” said one person briefed on the call. Another said: “The Danes are utterly freaked out by this.” A former Danish official added: “It was a very tough conversation. He threatened specific measures against Denmark such as targeted tariffs.” The Danish prime minister’s office said it did “not recognise the interpretation of the conversation given by anonymous sources”. Greenland, home to just 57,000 people, is an entry point to new shipping routes gradually opening up through the Arctic; it also boasts abundant but hard to access minerals. “President Trump has been clear that the safety and security of Greenland is important to the United States as China and Russia make significant investments throughout the Arctic region,” a White House National Security Council spokesperson said. “The President is committed to not only protecting US interests in the Arctic but also working with Greenland to ensure mutual prosperity for both nations.” Trump threatened in early January to impose duties on Denmark if it opposed him on Greenland. He also declined to rule out using military force to take control of the island. “People really don’t even know if Denmark has any legal right to it but, if they do, they should give it up because we need it for national security,” Trump said at a press conference days before taking office. “I’m talking about protecting the free world,” he added. “You have China ships all over the place. You have Russian ships all over the place. We’re not letting that happen.” Múte Egede, Greenland’s prime minister, has repeatedly stressed that the island’s inhabitants want independence rather than US — or Danish — citizenship. But he has welcomed US business interest in mining and tourism. Frederiksen held a meeting with chief executives of large Danish companies including Novo Nordisk and Carlsberg last week to discuss Trump’s threats, including potential tariffs against her country. On the day of the Trump call, she told Denmark’s TV2: “There is no doubt that there is great interest in and around Greenland. Based on the conversation I had today, there is no reason to believe that it should be less than what we have heard in the public debate.”
murder Member	Fri Jan 24 13:59:22 "Russia and China are both also jostling for position in the Arctic." lol! The Chinese can barely get to the Arctic. They'd have to go through Russia to stake any kind of claim. -
Seb Member	Sat Jan 25 16:59:45 Kinda sounds like Greenland should offer China a military base to give it a bit of a hedge and deterrence against American invasion.
Seb Member	Sat Jan 25 17:00:37 Maybe host some Chinese nukes.
murder Member	Sat Jan 25 19:43:22 The Chinese are too far away to matter in Greenland. The US would send troops, and the Chinese would be hopelessly outmanned and outgunned. They'd have to slink away humiliated.
murder Member	Sat Jan 25 20:07:45 EU military chief says it would make sense to put European troops in Greenland, Welt reports BERLIN, Jan 24 (Reuters) - The top European Union military official, Robert Brieger, said it would make sense to station troops from EU countries in Greenland, according to an interview with Germany's Welt am Sonntag published on Saturday, as U.S. President Donald Trump has expressed interest in acquiring the Danish territory. "In my view, it would make perfect sense not only to station U.S. forces in Greenland, as has been the case to date, but also to consider stationing EU soldiers there in the future," the chairman of the European Union Military Committee said. Ultimately, such a step would require a political decision, the Austrian-born general said. The military committee is the highest military office of the European Council, but it serves as a consultative body since the bloc has no dedicated army. U.S.-led NATO is the main military alliance for the EU. Although Greenland is not part of the EU as an overseas territory of Denmark, Europeans, as well as the U.S. have interests in Greenland, the general added, citing its raw materials and strategic location. "However, with increasing ice melt as a result of climate change, this also creates a certain potential for tension with Russia and possibly China," he said. Trump has expressed an interest in making Greenland, an autonomous territory of Denmark, part of the United States. He has not ruled out using military or economic power to persuade Denmark to hand it over. Greenland's strategic location along the shortest route from Europe to North America, vital for the U.S. ballistic missile warning system, has made it a priority for Trump. Brieger said he hoped that the U.S. as a member of the United Nations would respect the inviolability of borders as stipulated in the U.N. Charter. http://www...ops-greenland-welt-2025-01-25/
murder Member	Sat Jan 25 20:10:35 People are delusional. If the EU stations troops in Europe, then who the hell is going to protect Europe? Europe doesn't have enough troops as it is, let alone the ability to project and sustain a force in combat that far from mainland Europe.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Jan 26 05:11:37 He is bluffing. The bluff needs to be called.
Seb Member	Sun Jan 26 05:23:34 Murder: EU MS between them have 1.9 active military personel. Manpower is not the issue: it's more about capabilities. The countries with the best kit and specific capabilities can't afford the manpower. The countries with the manpower can't afford the high end capabilities. Such is the difficulty of a large confederation where military remains a sovereign capability nobody wants to give up. In terms of priorities, which is the bigger threat: Russia that is bogged down in Ukraine; or American which is not, has publicly declared its intention to acquire Greenland by coercive measures in breach of prior formal undertakings (Wilson presidency), and not ruled out the use of force?
Seb Member	Sun Jan 26 05:24:41 Murder: Nah, the US isn't going to risk getting into a shooting war with an overly competetive nuclear power; especially if they have tactical weapons on hand.
TheChildren Member	Sun Jan 26 05:59:19 thief will always be thiefin and will use all kinds of justifications even when everyone knows these be lies "chaaayna buuudd" we must do this becoz chaaayna and chaaayna will otherwise be nobody cares. china is a supapowa whether u like it or not and no amount of delusuonal yankoid rambling and rentfree livin cryin, will stop this. ur about 900 billion IQ points 2 short 2 stop chinas rise u have been utterly surpassed on every front and decades of ur imperialism and bullyin have left folks round da world not likin u. so u desperately seek imperialism and drawin new borders on da world while blamin chaaayna everybody around da world LOVES doing bizness with china becoz china doesnt imperialism. of course u wuld think otherwise if u got urself brainwashed by westoid media which is ruled by yankoid propfunda machine thats why nobody reads westoid propfunda anymo other than westoids and look at how this propfunda gotten u. it leaves u dumber by the year. in this competitive world with folks being twice as smart as u, followin idealogy and propfunda? thats called winnin darwin award right there
Rugian Member	Sun Jan 26 07:06:46 "everybody around da world LOVES doing bizness with china becoz china doesnt imperialism." Great. I look forward to China's withdrawal from Tibet, Xinjiang, Inner Mongolia, Manchuria, Hong Kong, Macau, and the artificial islands in the South China Sea. Taiwan will also be recognized as an independent country.
Rugian Member	Sun Jan 26 07:10:13 Seb Trump says lots of things. Most of us learned a long time ago that the more outlandish stuff can be ignored. The fact that the EU seems to be treating the US as if it could actually be a hostile nation tells us which side never really had the alliance in their heart in the first place.
Rugian Member	Sun Jan 26 07:11:02 The insult won't be forgotten or forgiven, of course. Tariffs are coming.
TheChildren Member	Sun Jan 26 07:13:15 keep cryin rugian. first u pack ur bags and give back all ur lands 2 da natives, before u speak
jergul large member	Sun Jan 26 08:11:30 In your case, tariffs are incoming. US Tariffs are a tax on the US.
murder Member	Sun Jan 26 09:09:17 "EU MS between them have 1.9 active military personel." Numbers on their own mean nothing. How many of them are actually trained to fight? How many could they EU deploy? How many of them would member nations allow to be deployed? How many of them would agree to be deployed to defend Greenland? How many of them could be sustained that far off of the European mainland? The EU does not enjoy air superiority or naval superiority. The EU would be able to defend itself on the mainland, but it would get absolutely wrecked trying to defend Greenland. The expeditionary ability of the US is worlds better than the EU's + the UK. "In terms of priorities, which is the bigger threat: Russia that is bogged down in Ukraine; or American which is not, has publicly declared its intention to acquire Greenland by coercive measures in breach of prior formal undertakings (Wilson presidency), and not ruled out the use of force?" I don't disagree with you, but you're ignoring the possibility of a two front war. Trump could well make a deal with Putin where we take Greenland and maybe Canada, and Russia can take back all of eastern Europe. The EU isn't capable of following through, and can't afford to divert resources to Greenland. -
murder Member	Sun Jan 26 09:12:26 "Nah, the US isn't going to risk getting into a shooting war with an overly competetive nuclear power; especially if they have tactical weapons on hand." We've had these discussion before, and I've made the case that the US could flatten the Kremlin without provoking a nuclear response. There's no way that the UK or France is going to suicide London or Paris to defend a nearly vacant Danish territory. -
murder Member	Sun Jan 26 09:13:54 "The fact that the EU seems to be treating the US as if it could actually be a hostile nation tells us which side never really had the alliance in their heart in the first place." How dare they threaten to defend themselves from our aggression?! That's wife beater logic.
jergul large member	Sun Jan 26 09:26:41 Peak troops on Greenland historically is 5k during wwii. Most at the main airbase. I have no idea where anyone would station even 1k today. The US should worry more about the EU disconnecting it from the SWIFT banking payment system.
murder Member	Sun Jan 26 09:47:52 Why would we worry about that?
jergul large member	Sun Jan 26 09:49:26 Getting shut out would sink your economy like immediately.
jergul large member	Sun Jan 26 09:52:22 Its really stupid. The US has tremendous advantage from the status quo. Why fuck around to find out how bad things can be? Over Greenland of all things. Geeze.
Rugian Member	Sun Jan 26 10:44:38 jergul Because SWIFT doesn't show up on a world map.
murder Member	Sun Jan 26 10:53:14 "Its really stupid. The US has tremendous advantage from the status quo. Why fuck around to find out how bad things can be?" Because Donald Trump is a narcissist. "Over Greenland of all things. Geeze." It's even more ridiculous because few Americans could tell you which President bough Alaska, so it's not like it would increase Trump's stature among presidents. -
Rugian Member	Sun Jan 26 11:18:03 "It's even more ridiculous because few Americans could tell you which President bough Alaska, so it's not like it would increase Trump's stature among presidents." Incorrect. Andrew Johnson is widely viewed as one of our greatest presidents.
murder Member	Sun Jan 26 11:42:02 Incorrect. Most Americans don't know that there was a US President named Andrew Johnson. -
Paramount Member	Sun Jan 26 12:02:58 ”The fact that the EU seems to be treating the US as if it could actually be a hostile nation” The USA is a hostile nation. They occupy the European continent. They attacked and destroyed our energy infrastructure. They spy on our leaders. They spy on European citizens through Apple, Microsoft, Google, and through our own fiber cables. They meddle in our elections. They cheat, they steal, they lie.
Rugian Member	Sun Jan 26 12:07:51 Paramount We give you military protection and economic prosperity in exchange for virtually nothing. You think you hate living under the Pax Americana...what do you think vassalage to China would be like? Lol
Seb Member	Sun Jan 26 12:12:24 Rugian, I don't know what to say. You elected the fucker so yes we take him seriously when he adopts a hostile stance to Europe.
Rugian Member	Sun Jan 26 12:18:38 So you are saying that you honestly believe that Trump is apt to undertake a military invasion and annexation of Greenland. ...do you not understand how implausible that actually is? He does want Greenland. He's testing the waters to see how far he can get with that. But if I have to spell this out for you...no, we aren't invading. You can calm down now.
murder Member	Sun Jan 26 13:57:09 "You can't believe anything Trump says. That's why I voted for him." Weird.
Seb Member	Sun Jan 26 14:31:16 Rugian: I believe if he doesn't say he's going to rule it out, I don't think we should wait to find out. Particularly as members of the incoming administration are fomenting civil disorder in Europe much like Russia did in the counties it's waged hybrid war on. You voted for this lunatic, so if he's saying crazy shit you don't believe America should do, you should probably think about that. In the mean time I think Europe should be extremely extremely hair trigger. If there are unexpected US transport planes entering Greenland airspace, I'd consider telling them to turn around and shoot them down if not.
Seb Member	Sun Jan 26 14:33:17 "He's testing the waters to see how far he can get with that." Then Europe should respond by showing him this behaviour has costs. Like a Chinese spy base on their doorstep.
Seb Member	Sun Jan 26 15:04:17 If you are testing the water, don't be surprised if you get burned.
jergul large member	Sun Jan 26 22:25:57 scorched*
Seb Member	Mon Jan 27 15:08:55 Pedant.
Sam Adams Member	Mon Jan 27 15:13:31 "How many of them are actually trained to fight? How many could they EU deploy? " 4
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