Utopia Talk / Politics / So what's this about NIH and CDC

Seb Member	Mon Jan 27 17:57:04 Don't you guys have bird flu outbreaks in the human food chain? Is now a sensible time to be dismantling your public health and medical research capabilities? Just a thought.
Rugian Member	Mon Jan 27 18:03:30 Did I miss something here? The only news of those two that I saw is that their public communications were ordered suspended for a week. Hardly a "dismantling" I would say.
Rugian Member	Mon Jan 27 18:06:28 Granted though, the histrionic news media played up the move like it was the end of human civilization. As they do with most of Trump's moves. "Trump’s restrictions spark chaos across health and science agencies Ongoing experiments, research funding, and scientists’ careers are all at stake" http://www...-science-agencies-nih-cdc-fda/
Sam Adams Member	Mon Jan 27 18:22:13 Of what use is a rotten waterlogged life vest?
jergul large member	Mon Jan 27 22:55:12 With any buancy at all? Helpful for corpse recovery if on a person. Otherwise, to denote part of a search area in the same way those rings are used. Floating stuff helps establish the extent of current and wind drift.
Seb Member	Tue Jan 28 02:13:19 Rugian: Generally yeah, preventing scientists and researchers from publishing, attending conferences or travelling to engage with eachother has a huge impact. Why would you do that unless you had the view that you wanted to set who researchers engage with and what they communicate as a matter of policy. At which point it isn't really science any more.
Seb Member	Tue Jan 28 02:23:48 The republicans have really got this political purging shit down. First the judiciary, now just into everything. It's going to fuck America up: literally ripping out the institutional mortar that holds the whole place up.
jergul large member	Tue Jan 28 02:39:46 Seb What did you expect from a cultural revolution?
Cherub Cow Member	Tue Jan 28 04:52:59 [Rugian]: "Granted though, the histrionic news media played up the move like it was the end of human civilization." Yeah, it's their same retarded covering for Regime managerial bureaucracy. The Regime pretends that these are "just" "scientists and researchers" in some apolitical sense of "just" people looking for the truth and "science". But, of course, after COVID we know that it's "the Science™" (Lysenkoism), and those "scientists and researchers" are Regime apparatchiks who were installed to do their part in destroying the West with malevolent social-engineering policies. Only absolute liars, obfuscators, and Regime-faithful apparatchiks could see what those psychopathic social-engineers did during COVID and pretend that organizations such as the CDC are apolitical and interested in the truth for the truth's own sake. Not a single bureaucrat who owes his position/appointment to leftist ideology can be trusted right now, nor can the conference networks or the facilitation of research funding by these organizations. I mean, on a very basic level, what are the odds that the CDC had its walls covered with "sustainability"/DEI propaganda the moment before Trump's EOs started? Oh, look, here's the CDC's commitment to "Global Health Equity" (2022 – 2027): http://www...dfs/ghe_strategy_2022_2027.pdf I've mentioned this too many times so maybe I take it for granted, but really think about what "Global Health Equity" means. "Equity" is the explicit redistribution of resources from White Westerners (the "oppressors") to the brown and black "Global South" and its client groups (the "oppressed"). "Global Health Equity" means killing Westerners and promoting the health of the Global South (e.g., "MAID" for White Westerners and fast-tracked health coverage for foreign conquerors). This is exactly what it means. It's not a "conspiracy theory". It's corporate policy, and it's right there on the CDC website. It's almost like it's the same Bolshevik strategy every fucking time. These people will be *lucky* to be in court for the rest of their lives, especially since there are many people who do not want them in prison — if you understand. These people reached directly into our lives and thought there would be no consequences. A lot of them still do not even believe that they did anything wrong, which is why "Nuremberg 2.0" has a certain ring to it.
Cherub Cow Member	Tue Jan 28 04:57:57 From that PDF, btw: "In 2020 CDC’s Center for Global Health (CGH) prioritized diversity, equity, inclusion, and accessibility by launching the CGH United initiative. The CGH United Taskforce launched the “21 in 2021” initiative to address health inequities as well as barriers to racial equity and inclusion within our workforce. While CGH United Goals 1-3 address internal diversity, equity, inclusion, and accessibility issues, Goal 4 focused on achieving health equity in our science and programs. In January 2021, the CGH HE Team, represented by members across across CGH global programs, was formed and began a process to develop a HE strategy to address Goal 4: Strengthen CGH capacity to achieve health equity in science and program." (I.e., the CDC systematically replaced its workforce not for science but for "The Science™", ensuring that it would get the "perspective" (compliance) of its slavish client groups.)
Rugian Member	Tue Jan 28 06:28:03 Seb Your concerns are overwrought. As stated, this suspension is only in effect until February 1. I'm struggling to understand how a weeklong pause is going to permanently change the shape of the public scientific community in the United States. And second, these pauses are typical whenever a new administration comes in - the new bosses generally want to get a grasp over their organizations and what they're releasing out into the public. This is meant to be a short break in order for the new regime to firmly establish itself before allowing things to continue as normal. The only reason why this is newsworthy is because it happened after the inauguration (typically, this is done during the post-election transition process) and the order seems to be somewhat more general in terms of activities covered (which is par for the course for a typical Trump EO). The duration is perfectly in line with precedent. Your side has now spent 10 years trying to convince us that Trump is going to be a dictator and melting down over every little thing he does because the media you consume casts his every action in the worst possible light. Let me say this to you very clearly: you are not convincing anyone anymore.
Sam Adams Member	Tue Jan 28 08:30:32 "Otherwise, to denote part of a search area in the same way those rings are used. Floating stuff helps establish the extent of current and wind drift." Lol good point. Excellent analogy for the cdc too.
Seb Member	Tue Jan 28 11:20:13 Typically it isn't done at all Rugian. You normally distinguish between political appointments and civil servants.
Seb Member	Tue Jan 28 11:22:33 Honestly though, I'm kinda changing my opinion on Trump now my emotional attachment to the US ebbs. If you aren't really an ally anymore, and are a simply another country with a divergent political model and an economic competitor; the Trump admin is probably a good thing all in all.
Sam Adams Member	Tue Jan 28 12:08:11 The uk thinks its a competitor? Lol how cute.
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