Utopia Talk / Politics / Canadians in America to be finger printe

Peter Walsh Member	Tue Mar 11 12:22:52 http://www...er-30-days-to-register/3506585 Trump to require Canadians who stay in US for over 30 days to register Registrations and finger printing for Canadians who stay in US for over 30 days will begin to go into effect April 11, according to ABC News President Donald Trump is preparing to roll out a new rule that would require Canadians who stay in the US for over 30 days to register with federal authorities, according to a report published Tuesday. Canadians who cross the border into the US by land have not typically had to register, but the rule can be unilaterally changed by the Department of Homeland Security secretary, according to ABC News, which reported on the forthcoming overhaul based on a notice that is slated to be published in the federal register Wednesday. Registrations and finger printing for Canadians who stay in the US for over 30 days will begin to go into effect April 11. Those already in the country will need to fill out a new Form G-325R. The action comes amid a widening trade war between the North American neighbors after Trump imposed tariffs on Canadian steel and aluminum. The import duties set off a wide array of retaliatory measures from Ottawa, which have included a 25% tax on electricity exports to the US, as Trump doubled his tariffs on Canadian steel and aluminum. Markets have reeled in the wake of Trump's wider global tariff push as investors fear the president's policies could plunge the US into recession. The Dow has lost roughly 7.5% over the past month while the tech-heavy Nasdaq composite index has nosedived over 11.5%. ​​​​​​​
TheChildren Member	Tue Mar 11 12:41:57 oleery PWNED
Rugian Member	Tue Mar 11 12:46:14 Fingerprinting goes away if Canada becomes our 51st state. Wouldn't that be so convenient for the Canadians?
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Mar 11 13:10:31 is there a limit to how much damage fuckhead does to the country & foreign relations that R's will tolerate? the only thing R's seem to gush over is what DOGE doing (despite it being mostly misinfo)... & Trump has absolutely no role or clue what DOGE is doing so is completely expendable on that
Sam Adams Member	Tue Mar 11 13:25:17 Lol trump is a retard
murder Member	Tue Mar 11 14:27:17 I wonder how Canadians will respond to this.
Rugian Member	Tue Mar 11 14:28:55 "I wonder how Canadians will respond to this." Lol they already BENT THE KNEE: "Ontario’s Ford suspends U.S. electric surcharge, says Lutnick agrees to trade talks" http://www...ick-agrees-to-trade-talks.html
Rugian Member	Tue Mar 11 14:29:21 To quote Paulie Walnuts: "I knew he'd cave. He's a fucking pussy, that kid."
murder Member	Tue Mar 11 14:38:44 Too bad Ford has no control over what Canadians do. The question was rhetorical. The obvious answer is that they will stop traveling to the US.
obaminated Member	Tue Mar 11 15:06:37 Haha trump won. Nice.
williamthebastard Member	Tue Mar 11 17:04:21 Look at the brainwashed poodles pretending to be pitbulls slobbering and slavering at the mouth at Canadians, the most peaceful neighbors in the world, because Trump told them to suddenly start hating them. They'd kill their own families in a second if their mob boss told them to.
murder Member	Tue Mar 11 17:08:26 Yep.
williamthebastard Member	Tue Mar 11 17:09:17 Trump is just their figurehead trying to please Maga's lust for cruelty. The reason the US will remain the enemy after Trump is rotting in the grave is because of the 75 million bona fide nihilistic fascists who only feel good when theyre harming people.
murder Member	Tue Mar 11 17:12:47 "Trump will not impose 50% Canadian steel, aluminum tariffs tomorrow, says top trade advisor" Trump bent the knee! Canada kicked his ass and Trump bitched out like he always does! Canada won! -
Rugian Member	Tue Mar 11 17:16:45 The only good Canadian is a dead Canadian.
Rugian Member	Tue Mar 11 17:18:03 Here's a quote that you can get some mileage out of WTB: "I don’t mind what Trump does, because I trust Trump." -Lindsey Graham
williamthebastard Member	Wed Mar 19 07:08:44 Talk begins of Canada joining the EU. almost 50% of Canadians are positive to the idea without there even being any real discussion about it yet http://pol...s/march-2025/canada-eu-option/
williamthebastard Member	Wed Mar 19 07:09:56 and this poll was conducted before Trumps tariffs, so...
jergul large member	Wed Mar 19 07:10:21 Canada is only a few nautical miles from the EU after all.
williamthebastard Member	Wed Mar 19 07:12:54 France could place nukes that could reach the US before the US nukes were anywhere close to the EU
Rugian Member	Wed Mar 19 07:27:07 Such a blatant violation of the Monroe Doctrine would be a legitimate act of war, and the US would react accordingly. But this is a garbage poll made reflecting knee-jerk reactionary attitudes of the moment. It would take just a single 30-second ad explaining how EU membership means your country becomes ruled from Brussels to convince Canadians that it would be a stupid idea.
Rugian Member	Wed Mar 19 07:29:14 Also, does anyone else notice that WTB never actually interacts with anyone on this board? He doesn't talk with us, he talks with the avatars of us that he makes up in his mind. He's literally having conversations with himself.
jergul large member	Wed Mar 19 07:30:56 Ruggy Sorry, you did not keep you part of the bargain "In turn, the United States would recognize and not interfere with existing European colonies nor meddle in the internal affairs of European countries."
williamthebastard Member	Wed Mar 19 07:31:27 Lol bring it on you christian fundie, muslim, commie fascist
jergul large member	Wed Mar 19 07:33:30 The Canadian head of state is King Charles. I think there is a preferance to being ruled from Europe ahead of being ruled from the US. But more likely is a Norwegian deal and becoming part of the European Economic Area (EEA).
williamthebastard Member	Wed Mar 19 07:34:22 The economist is all for it too. This could become a thing http://www.../why-canada-should-join-the-eu
Rugian Member	Wed Mar 19 07:39:05 Jergul Oh ffs. Let's stop pretending that the geriatric guy in the funny robes who the UK keeps around to stimulate tourism is the ruler of Canada. Canada is an independent country, regardless of whatever legal fictions you want to point at.
Rugian Member	Wed Mar 19 07:40:17 You would think the sovereign ruler of Canada would have opined on the US wanting to annex part of his dominion by now...if he mattered at all.
williamthebastard Member	Wed Mar 19 07:42:25 In fact, leading Canadian media is full of the desire to dump the US and join the EU https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/canada-european-union-1.7446400 https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/donald-trump-drives-a-wedge-between-canada-and-the-u-s-with-a-trade-war/article_1d00895c-dda1-11ef-a59f-f76e89591126.html https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/what-if-canada-joined-the-european-union
williamthebastard Member	Wed Mar 19 07:47:36 Canada's largest newspaper "Relations between Canada and the U.S. are coming under serious pressure — and that has some commentators offering an unlikely — though not impossible — solution. What if Canada joined the European Union? Even before U.S. President Donald Trump threatened Canadians with "economic force" if they did not want to become a "51st state," Stanley Pignal, a columnist with The Economist, floated the idea of the country switching teams. "As it turns out," he wrote, "both Europe and Canada may be in the market for upgraded alliances." Pignal's column in early January was followed by a small flurry of online excitement: A former spokesperson for the Canadian Embassy in Paris endorsed the idea, as did one head of Britain's pro-EU movement. Article 49 of the Treaty on European Union opens membership to "any European state which respects and is committed to promoting human dignity, freedom, democracy, equality, the rule of law and respect for human rights, including the rights of persons belonging to minorities." What it doesn't do is define European. "What constitutes a European country is left to political decision-making," said Dimitrios Argyroulis, a researcher at the Institute of European studies at the Université Libre de Bruxelles in Belgium. Or the EU could seek to create whole new alliances. "One could imagine a … loose multilateral grouping of the like-minded, without the U.S.," Emerson wrote in an email. "Then all democratic Europe, plus the rest of the non-U.S. OECD, might develop a collective diplomatic stance, asserting 'our' model of an enlightened West." Some states, like Norway, are members of the European Economic Area, a free trade bloc, without being members of the EU. Others are full members but not part of the Schengen Agreement, which allows visa-free travel, or the Eurozone, which shares a currency and central bank. Canada already participates in Horizon Europe, an EU-funded research grant program worth more than $140 billion, alongside other non-European states like New Zealand. "It signals a new chapter in our relationship with the EU," said François-Philippe Champagne, Canada's science minister, when signing the agreement last year. EU President Ursula von der Leyen, meanwhile, minced no words about the benefits for Europe. Canada is "the only country in the Western hemisphere with all the raw materials required for lithium batteries," she said — a key strategic resource as Europe shifts to green technology. "So I would say that this is a perfect match." In this way, at least, European leaders appear open to expanding the definition of Europe — creating "a European onion, instead of a European Union," as Blockmans puts it. "If there is any shift in EU thinking, it would likely be toward deepening [these] strategic partnerships rather than reimagining the EU as a geographically unlimited alliance," said Lavrelashvili.
murder Member	Wed Mar 19 08:10:24 Canada is not joining the EU.
jergul large member	Wed Mar 19 08:11:54 Ruggy Transatlantic ties run deeper than your is the point. Canada does need a reliable economic partner and the US has opted out. So yah, the EEA at the very least makes a lot of sense. Among protections, the US cannot single out Canada as easily in a tariff war.
williamthebastard Member	Wed Mar 19 08:13:00 Probably not, but very likely strengthening all kinds of deals and ties that the US will be excluded from. The fact that Canadians are discussing this, and in positive terms, is big. Then again, who knows in 10 years, and considering what Trump is capable of.
jergul large member	Wed Mar 19 08:14:16 Murder Well, it cannot. A lot of economic stuff is devolved to the provinces, so they would need accept individually in addition to collectively for EU membership. Alberta will likely not want that. But the EEA is a different matter. The Federal Government does do trade agreements.
williamthebastard Member	Wed Mar 19 08:14:36 I also saw talk of Quebec seceding and applying to join the EU
williamthebastard Member	Wed Mar 19 08:16:45 Its more likely that Canda will be the 28th state than the 51st state
Seb Member	Wed Mar 19 10:18:18 I don't think Canada will join EEA. But some form of closer relationship seems likely. The geography doesn't really work for integration into the SM.
williamthebastard Member	Wed Mar 19 10:24:35 It could be quite handy to have a military ally 20 missile seconds away from the US though
williamthebastard Member	Wed Mar 19 12:12:26 Trump insulting canadians again. Good news, makes the free world gather together even harder.
Forwyn Member	Wed Mar 19 12:17:40 "free world" lol
williamthebastard Member	Wed Mar 19 12:19:26 Wait - you actually think anyone beyond your local mall thinks the US is part of the free world anymore? LOL
williamthebastard Member	Wed Mar 19 12:21:20 The countries of the free world see you as an enemy of the free world along with Russia, NK and... well thats about all the "allies" you have now
williamthebastard Member	Wed Mar 19 12:23:16 Hungary and Israel too, after some consideration.
jergul large member	Wed Mar 19 13:01:53 Seb The geography is fine. Ports are masters of trade. http://unctad.org/publication/review-maritime-transport-2021
williamthebastard Member	Thu Mar 20 10:59:18 The one and only reason this is possible but unlikely, at least at this point in time, is geography. If they were geographically close to the EU, this would be a very possible development.
murder Member	Thu Mar 20 11:20:14 Canada is not moving closer to the EU. :o)
williamthebastard Member	Thu Mar 20 11:22:55 It certainly is http://youtu.be/uLahVJNnoZ4?t=515
murder Member	Thu Mar 20 11:26:23 Canada will cease to exist long before then.
williamthebastard Member	Thu Mar 20 11:28:41 As long as the US ceases to exist before then its all good, because the US getting closer to us would be a nightmare
murder Member	Thu Mar 20 11:43:11 Every nation on earth (and probably every human) will be gone long before then.
williamthebastard Member	Thu Mar 20 11:45:36 errr, yes, mr obvious
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