Utopia Talk / Politics / leftists are sane and logical

Sam Adams Member	Tue Mar 18 16:43:00 http://www...-las-vegas-police-say-3322726/ suspect who police said set multiple Teslas on fire, used Molotov cocktails and shot three rounds into the vehicles at a Tesla Collision Center early Tuesday morning is still on the loose, according to the Metropolitan Police Department.
murder Member	Tue Mar 18 17:33:54 No guess the race?
Rugian Member	Tue Mar 18 17:37:08 There's no guessing involved. Guaranteed to be a white liberal.
murder Member	Tue Mar 18 17:41:54 I don't understand why this is getting so much attention. Cars get vandalized all the time. Down here a dealership gets hit every so often, and people vandalize cars in apartment parking lots all the time.
Sam Adams Member	Tue Mar 18 18:15:31 Guess the gender identity.
Sam Adams Member	Tue Mar 18 18:15:44 And hair color
murder Member	Tue Mar 18 18:53:43 Maybe it's his daughter.
jergul large member	Wed Mar 19 02:36:13 Sammy Why do you find this insane and illogical? Are you perchance overexposed in Tesla stock? Defunding Musk is pretty important for reasons mentioned. Tacking on a risk premium for Tesla ownership does potentially harm sales and with it Tesla value. While I deplore the illegality of sabotage, it is in fact neither illogical or insane if we discount the risk of falling into your criminal justice system.
williamthebastard Member	Wed Mar 19 02:57:44 Apparently, Swedish Tesla stock owners are losing the most of all countries due to the strong Crown. If Alpha Boi is losing all his money, my smile at Teslas crash grows even toothier :D
Seb Member	Wed Mar 19 03:56:45 Isn't setting a Tesla on fire a bit like helping a newly hatched sea turtle down the beach?
williamthebastard Member	Wed Mar 19 04:21:56 Rightists are sane and logical A little before 3 PM on December 4, 2016, Edgar Maddison Welch entered Comet Ping Pong carrying a loaded AR-15. He’d driven to the DC restaurant from North Carolina, motivated by a bizarre conspiracy theory that had recently burst into public view alongside the surprise election of Donald Trump: that rather than being a family-friendly spot known for late-night indie-rock gigs and idiosyncratic pies with nicely charred crust and sauce made from Toigo Farms tomatoes, Comet was the center of a pedophilia ring that reached the highest levels of US politics http://www...clue-what-was-about-to-happen/
murder Member	Wed Mar 19 06:19:22 "Isn't setting a Tesla on fire a bit like helping a newly hatched sea turtle down the beach? " lol! :o) -
murder Member	Wed Mar 19 06:23:42 I have to say that I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if Elon is behind it. It takes care of the oversupply problem and passes the loss off on their insurance company. -
Rugian Member	Wed Mar 19 07:01:39 Nice to see Jergul, WTB, Seb, and murder all endorsing or downplaying acts of domestic terrorism. In fact it now seems to be a mainstream leftist position that committing acts of property damage is acceptable so long as the victim is someone who has political beliefs that differ from yours. Fucking fascists.
jergul large member	Wed Mar 19 07:06:13 JP Morgan guiding sets Tesla at 125 Ruggy. You are just watching the invisible hand expressing itself.
murder Member	Wed Mar 19 07:13:01 "Nice to see Jergul, WTB, Seb, and murder all endorsing or downplaying acts of domestic terrorism." Terrorism? They are simply redecorating Tesla cars and dealerships. Why are you being overdramatic? -
williamthebastard Member	Wed Mar 19 07:15:56 See, only political illiterates think that a far right movement, fascism, can be a leftwing movement Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/ FASH-iz-əm) is a far-right, authoritarian, and ultranationalist political ideology and movement,
williamthebastard Member	Wed Mar 19 07:18:34 Of course, american right wingers have always been known for their political illiteracy
murder Member	Wed Mar 19 07:19:38 It's funny watching right-wingers who had absolutely no problem with the attempted overthrow of our government by the guy who ... *checks notes* ... they just voted back into office, getting all bent out of shape over some property getting vandalized just like every day of every year in all 50 states. -
williamthebastard Member	Wed Mar 19 07:20:47 "You fascist commie!" Only one country in the world manages to think that two sworn enemies that have hated each other since their conception could be combined.
Rugian Member	Wed Mar 19 07:21:40 Okay. So you won't mind if a certain organization "redecorates" your front lawn with a burning cross. Although the cross doesn't actually result in property damage, so that might not be the best example.
murder Member	Wed Mar 19 07:22:50 According to the FBI, in 2019 alone there were 126,161 arrests for vandalism in the US. That's not acts of vandalism, that is arrests ... and obviously doesn't include the many that were never caught. Rugian, would you like a fainting couch? :o) -
Rugian Member	Wed Mar 19 07:24:53 Murder When the acts of destruction are driven by political motivations, that by definition is terrorism.
williamthebastard Member	Wed Mar 19 07:26:20 Lol you fucking moron.
murder Member	Wed Mar 19 07:26:26 "Okay. So you won't mind if a certain organization "redecorates" your front lawn with a burning cross." I'm a spic. My entire neighborhood would come out for the religious service. :o) -
williamthebastard Member	Wed Mar 19 07:29:18 Meanwhile, storming the capitol to try to urder the vice president was a tourist trip. The laughable dishonesty of this political illiterate who cant even distinguish between the most basic far right and far left political groups cant be taken seriously for a microsecond
murder Member	Wed Mar 19 07:33:32 "When the acts of destruction are driven by political motivations, that by definition is terrorism." Sort of. But we have no idea at this point what the motivation is. Like I posted earlier, this could simply be the corporate equivalent of dumping your car in a canal and then reporting it stolen. -
jergul large member	Wed Mar 19 07:38:11 Or it might be big auto. Sensing a weakness, the competitors strike to cause damage.
Rugian Member	Wed Mar 19 08:09:59 As much as I love a good conspiracy theory, the criminals doing this are exactly the type of people you would expect. ----- A transgender-identifying man, Justin Thomas Nelson, 40, who goes by the name Lucy Grace Nelson, was arrested on Monday after allegedly vandalizing and planting incendiary devices at a Tesla dealership in Loveland, Colorado. The Loveland Police Department arrested Nelson following an investigation that began on January 29 in response to multiple incidents of vandalism at the dealership and the discovery of incendiary devices. Police told Fox News that the vandalism included “very offensive messages, derogatory in nature,” though the incendiary devices were not detonated. On Monday night, Nelson returned to the Tesla dealership carrying materials associated with prior vandalism, along with additional incendiary devices. Authorities arrested him before he could do any additional damage to the dealership. Nelson faces multiple felony charges, including Explosives or Incendiary Devices Use During a Felony, a class two felony, Criminal Mischief $2,000 < $5,000 Business, a class six felony, and Criminal Attempt to Commit a Class Three Felony, a class four felony. He was issued a $100,000 cash surety bond, and authorities say they are working with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms, and that additional federal charges are likely. Police did not provide any information on Nelson’s motive, although the incident appears to fit with a growing trend of Teslas being targeted by vandals opposed to Elon Musk’s involvement with President Donald Trump and the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE). Numerous mainstream media outlets, including NBC, CNN, and even Fox, prominently described Nelson as a woman in their headlines. A brief review of his social media accounts reveals that Nelson is, in fact, male and began going by the name “Lucy” starting in 2021. “I’ve told some of you already, but I’m coming out 100% now. I am a trans woman. Name is Lucy, pronouns are she/her. I’m happier than I’ve ever been and I’m ready to take on the world,” said Nelson. Further review of Nelson’s Facebook account reveals posts celebrating George Floyd and the Black Lives Matter (BLM) movement, and a history of mental health challenges. “I went to an ER last night because of my mental state. Got some advice on where to go next,” he said in a 2018 post. http://www...b-a-colorado-tesla-dealership/
jergul large member	Wed Mar 19 08:17:34 Ruggy Well, do the CT properely then. Yes, the triggerperson has been caught. But what of those behind it all? It smells of big car to me.
williamthebastard Member	Wed Mar 19 08:19:16 I mean, his post is a complete lie to begin with and not worth addressing since its just a fantasy he made up. Nobody here has supported the vandalism.
Forwyn Member	Wed Mar 19 08:19:22 Lol @ murder comparing these to normal vandalisms Lol @ jergul calling this the invisible hand It's not "murdering leftists", it's, "defunding the platforms they donate to"
williamthebastard Member	Wed Mar 19 08:20:55 1 million vehicles are vandalized per year in the USA. So 1 million acts of terrorism per year just there. Lol
williamthebastard Member	Wed Mar 19 08:21:51 Also, on a similarly idiotically dishonest theme, Trump is declaring fentanyl to be a WMD...lol
williamthebastard Member	Wed Mar 19 08:24:42 Meanwhile, his voters trying to murder his own vice president were heroes... lol
Forwyn Member	Wed Mar 19 08:48:36 "Teenage hooligans spray painting, keying, and chucking rocks at cars is exactly the same as middle-aged leftists throwing molotovs and posting threatening bulletins in neighborhoods calling owners Nazis"
murder Member	Wed Mar 19 09:06:43 "Lol @ murder comparing these to normal vandalisms" http://www...ttack-at-miami-car-dealership/ Literally happens all the time.
murder Member	Wed Mar 19 09:09:37 It happens so often that you probably don't even take note of it when you watch the local news. If you don't believe me, then ask Google.
murder Member	Wed Mar 19 09:13:34 According to the FBI, there were 775,091 arrest for arson (property crime) in 2019 alone in the US. http://ucr...19/topic-pages/tables/table-43 Holy fuck we arrest a lot of people. -
murder Member	Wed Mar 19 09:17:20 "Teenage hooligans spray painting, keying, and chucking rocks at cars is exactly the same as middle-aged leftists throwing molotovs and posting threatening bulletins in neighborhoods calling owners Nazis" If you examine the FBI statistics you will see that the vast majority of vandals and arsonists are not teenage kids. -
williamthebastard Member	Wed Mar 19 09:23:56 terrorism according to Maga https://www.ebay.com/itm/403288469919
williamthebastard Member	Wed Mar 19 09:24:54 http://www.ebay.com/itm/403288469919 Banksy == al-Qaeda
williamthebastard Member	Wed Mar 19 09:28:39 The irony of Banksy being equal to al-Qaeda according to the US rightwing in a thread called "leftists are sane and logical"
Rugian Member	Wed Mar 19 09:35:58 Murder Way to miss the forest for the trees. There is clearly an ideologically-driven campaign to stigmatize the ownership of Tesla vehicles, and claiming that that's okay because "vandalism was always a thing" is simply silly.
williamthebastard Member	Wed Mar 19 09:39:11 There's just no way to be associated with the violently authoritarian and utterly fascist US anymore. The best we can hope for is coldly polite messages.
williamthebastard Member	Wed Mar 19 09:43:11 When its the right doing it, the left uses the correct term, political vandalism http://www...olitically-motivated-vandalism
williamthebastard Member	Wed Mar 19 09:44:37 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0Wjo6URDGY
Rugian Member	Wed Mar 19 09:44:38 Lol at "violently authoritarian" and "utterly fascist." You have no idea what any of those words mean.
williamthebastard Member	Wed Mar 19 09:45:45 From the political illiterate who thinks leftists can be fascists lmfao
williamthebastard Member	Wed Mar 19 09:48:38 fascism An authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization. http://www...oi/authority.20110803095811414 You utter fucking illiterate
Forwyn Member	Wed Mar 19 09:54:29 "Literally happens all the time." "It doesn’t appear that he had any prior contact with the dealership." AKA random druggie wanting to fuck shit up "When its the right doing it, the left uses the correct term, political vandalism" Candidate signage You utter fucking retard lol
Rugian Member	Wed Mar 19 09:58:09 Fascism is characterized by: - A dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy The entire point of the EU is to subordinate the continent to the whims of an unelected leadership class in Brussels. - militarism You've been going around here gleefully talking about the European Union rearming itself and potentially annexing Canada. - forcible suppression of opposition You have openly advocated for the murder of conservatives. - belief in a natural social hierarchy You believe that a caste of highly educated elites should rule over the unwashed masses who dont know whats best for them. - subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation or race You believe in a strong central government that prioritizes stability and effectiveness over individual liberties. - and strong regimentation of society and the economy Hello, have you met the EU? Aka the most regulatory-loving body on the planet. Congratulations WTB, you're a fascist cunt.
williamthebastard Member	Wed Mar 19 09:59:43 youtube.com/watch?v=cPWIM4c01Io You lying fucking bastard lol
williamthebastard Member	Wed Mar 19 10:00:03 Its not possible to communciate with you as a serious interlocutor. You have made yourself incommunicado through your shocking ignorance of the most basic political concepts and your utter dishonesty at every turn. You leave only the options to ignore you as a complete waste of time or to mock you. I choose the former with you 95% of the time, and the latter 5% of the time. This is entirely caused by your choice to be embarrassingly illiterate about politics and to constantly tell lies you dont even believe yourself.
williamthebastard Member	Wed Mar 19 10:01:22 youtube.com/watch?v=cPWIM4c01Io Colorado Democrats cars were targets of vandalism on Election Day You lying fucking bastard lol
williamthebastard Member	Wed Mar 19 10:04:09 Look at the mentally ill fascist continuing to pretend that fascism can be leftwing lmfao...I know you see why you cant be treated as an adult, you fucking little genuine fascist. Communism and fascism are the two most basic opposites in politics, you horrifically ignorant fucking clown lol
Rugian Member	Wed Mar 19 10:07:02 WTB So you're admitting you're a Communist? Thanks for the self-report. Rofl owned you stupid little retard.
williamthebastard Member	Wed Mar 19 10:18:02 /Pats illiterate little troll on its little illiterate troll head. Thats right, illiterate little troll, Fascism which hated Soviet more than Jews is a leftwing movement lol...we both know you know why you are impossible to communicate with, we both know you know you are being as dishonest as you are able to be with every breath, and that is why I piss all over your blank, slow-witted face, you dictionary definition of fascism
williamthebastard Member	Wed Mar 19 10:21:13 First they came for the Communists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Communist Then they came for the Socialists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Socialist Then they came for the trade unionists And I did not speak out Because I was not a trade unionist Then they came for the Jews And I did not speak out Because I was not a Jew Then they came for me And there was no one left To speak out for me
Rugian Member	Wed Mar 19 10:22:19 WTB What does it mean to be leftwing, exactly? You have all the hallmarks of a fascist, from your disdain of multiparty democracy and support for the use of violence against your political opponents, to your belief in a strong central government that closely regulates the economy and society. You are a fascist in every measure that matters. Hiding behind the claim that because you're "leftwing" that somehow absolves you of your fundamental similarities with the thought process of fascists only serves to prove your dishonesty and intellectual bankruptcy. Get fucked, fascist.
williamthebastard Member	Wed Mar 19 10:39:39 Every single instance of Maga vandalizing cars, its called vandalism lol http://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=300335714165851
williamthebastard Member	Wed Mar 19 10:41:13 'Trump 20' painted on house Police in Little Elm, a Dallas suburb, said officers and firefighters responded to Gipson’s house after a 911 call reporting a vehicle fire and vandalism on the home’s garage. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/black-family-texas-says-cars-set-fire-trump-20-painted-n1251595
Rugian Member	Wed Mar 19 10:48:00 Lol and he gives up on the argument. Owned. Stupid little subhuman fascist maggot.
williamthebastard Member	Wed Mar 19 10:48:04 "Setting fire to a republicans car is terrorism, setting fire to a dems car is vandalism, you fucking moron" - Forwyn
Forwyn Member	Wed Mar 19 10:52:46 "Setting fire to a car because you're a drug-addled idiot entertaining yourself is vandalism, setting fire to a car for political purposes is vandalism, regardless of affiliation, and one side is advocating for/downplaying nationwide acts" - Guy who has never beat up a homeless person
Forwyn Member	Wed Mar 19 10:53:14 "setting fire to a car for political purposes is terrorism, regardless of affiliation" lol
williamthebastard Member	Wed Mar 19 10:55:34 And thats why every instance of republicans setting fire to dems cars uses the term vandalism or political vandalism, you fucking moron lol.
Forwyn Member	Wed Mar 19 10:56:38 Oh sorry, I'll remember that the next time I write those articles, because I definitely wrote those articles YOU FUCKING MORON LOL
williamthebastard Member	Wed Mar 19 10:59:02 Do you think there is any difference between 911 and ruining a car YOU FUCKING MORON LOL?
williamthebastard Member	Wed Mar 19 11:02:57 This is why the entire free world is ending relations with and arming itself against the utterly fascist USA, YOU FUCKING MORON LOL.
Forwyn Member	Wed Mar 19 11:06:16 Do you think there is any difference between 9/11 and shooting a power substation in the middle of the night YOU FUCKING MORON LOL? > free world > Europe LOL
williamthebastard Member	Wed Mar 19 11:08:38 I dont know what powerstation youre talking about, but if you cant see the difference between that and burning and crushing almost 4000 americans alive, you puke on their graves as much as al quaida did, YOU FUCKING MORON LOL > USA LOL
williamthebastard Member	Wed Mar 19 11:12:05 Personally, given the circumstances, I have to welcome the extreme textbook fascism coming from you nazis. The more extreme you get, the more the free world arms itself against the USA, ends financial agreements, ends purchases of US arms, ends the dollar as a reserve currency, brings the free world closer to dumping trillions of dollars worth of US govt bonds, etc etc etc, all of which will lead to the US crashing into civil war, which will be a very enjoyable sight to behold. Its always enjoyable to see evil eat itself.
Forwyn Member	Wed Mar 19 11:12:42 To a non-retard, you can acknowledge that it doesn't take mass murder for an act to be politically-motivated terrorism, and correctly labelling as such does not lessen the loss of life in such acts of mass murder. http://the...cks-electrical-infrastructure/
williamthebastard Member	Wed Mar 19 11:16:51 Lol, you post a link about Magas sabotaging electrical plants and not a mention of the word terrorism??? "In July, two former Marines, both active in an online neo-Nazi community" "white supremacist ideology" “racially- or ethnically-motivated extremists” YOU FUCKING MORON LOL
williamthebastard Member	Wed Mar 19 11:20:12 Guess what your maga boys were found guilty of? "conspiracy to damage property" YOU FUCKING MORON LOL
Rugian Member	Wed Mar 19 11:27:58 Lol Forwyn's running circles around you you dunce. Learn to know when you're beaten, you intellectual inferiority.
williamthebastard Member	Wed Mar 19 11:32:44 Lol, I see that the article mentions 2 separate cases, and both of them were committed by Magas... YOU FUCKING MORON LOL
williamthebastard Member	Wed Mar 19 11:35:20 And neither of the cases were branded terrorism in the media or in court, even though these Maga crimes were a good deal more serious than damaging a car YOU FUCKING MORON LOL
williamthebastard Member	Wed Mar 19 11:42:23 "You said YOU FUCKING MORON LOL. Thats terrorism" - Forwyn
Forwyn Member	Wed Mar 19 11:44:20 I love that my statement included both sides, I threw you a bone for right-wing property damage, and you immediately go MAGA MAGA MAGA like a good little retard lol. And then double down on the label based on what prosecutors knew they could cop guilties on, as terrorism is harder to prosecute. Political accelerationism is CLEARLY terrorism if you aren't an idiot.
williamthebastard Member	Wed Mar 19 11:54:19 Listen YOU FUCKING MORON LOL, when maga wants to reband this as terrorism, it wants to instill in YOU FUCKING MORON LOLs heads that vandalizing cars for political purposes is on the same level as killing people, because that is the concept that pops into people heads when they hear the word terrorism. Its the same linguistic con that thewyre trying to pull by emptying the term WMD of any meaning and saying fentanyl is a WMD. Im pretty sure you know this but dont have the honesty to admit it. These kinds of acts have never been called terrorism before, theyve been called political vandalism. You could call it terrorism if you divided terrorism into different classes, say class 1 terrorism for 9111 and class 20 for this, but thats still just emptying the term terrorism of meaning for political gains. Just give up posting Maga attempts at political accelerationism to prove that Elon is the victim of terrorism, YOU FUCKING MORON LOL.
williamthebastard Member	Wed Mar 19 11:56:18 Anyway, youre boring, suck my dick and ciao.
Forwyn Member	Wed Mar 19 12:04:23 "Blowing up the Hoover Dam is just vandalism as long as it doesn't directly kill anyone, this is just the Trump effect, no one ever called politically motivated violence terrorism before" Lol cya
williamthebastard Member	Wed Mar 19 12:07:16 Im gonna prove that leftists are terrorists when they damage Teslas by posting a link to Magas torching 2 electrical plants who were sentenced for damaging property - Forlose
Forwyn Member	Wed Mar 19 12:10:38 "There's not much difference between shooting a transformer with a rifle for political reasons and torching a charging station for political reasons"
murder Member	Wed Mar 19 13:17:50 "Way to miss the forest for the trees. There is clearly an ideologically-driven campaign to stigmatize the ownership of Tesla vehicles, and claiming that that's okay because "vandalism was always a thing" is simply silly. " Elon stigmatized his own brand. His customers were lefties trying to save the environment. And I didn't say the vandalism was OK. I said I didn't understand the uproar. There are millions of acts of vandalism in the US every year. Tesla cars and dealers have been the target of a few. I'd be willing to bet that so has Toyota and Ford and Chevy. -
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