Utopia Talk / Politics / Large parts of Texas

Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sat Mar 22 12:28:47 Will in the future have to be ceded to Mexico. For peace.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sat Mar 22 12:30:44 Florida doesn’t look good either.
murder Member	Sat Mar 22 12:32:43 Clarify or STFU! :o)
murder Member	Sat Mar 22 12:33:16 Is this about Ukraine? -
Rugian Member	Sat Mar 22 12:35:14 Something happen with Ukraine?
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sat Mar 22 12:40:45 This is moral justification made based on spoken language by Witkoff regarding Ukraine, on Tucker Carlson.
murder Member	Sat Mar 22 12:45:48 So now administration officials are just going on Russian state media like it's perfectly normal?
kargen Member	Sat Mar 22 16:22:27 Most that land was sold to the United States not taken. If anything Canada should give the US the predominately English speaking provinces to keep peace. That would be closer to what is being proposed in Ukraine.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sat Mar 22 16:35:58 You don’t understand. How things were acquired is not relevant. What is important is what language the people speak and if they hold a referendum to join Mexico. Trump is undermining the integrity and security of the USA for generations to come. I do not want catch any of you supporting an armed resistance towards Mexico, you will let those areas go, for peace. In fact this should be done pre-emptively to avoid any bloodshed.
kargen Member	Sat Mar 22 17:32:14 Well that doesn't work either because Texas for the most part is either English or bilingual English/Spanish. And they don't want to be part of Mexico not even a little bit. That is why they swam the river heading North. Also 21 countries speak Spanish so why Mexico? The language thing works for Canada though and allowing the English speaking provinces to join the US. Some of them actually want to.
Paramount Member	Sun Mar 23 02:28:56 Ukraine should not have let themselves be used as a proxy against a greater power. They should also not have aggro'ed against parts of their own population, and most importantly they should never have listened to and trusted the american genocide liberals. But if they did all that they should have made sure to not lose the war. The losing side does not get a favorable agreement.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Mar 23 04:13:46 Kargen All of that applies to Ukraine as well. It is also not true, plenty of counties in Texas, where the mother tongue is Spanish, 50+ to 90% Spanish speaking. ”And they don't want to be part of Mexico not even a little bit.” Parts of Ukraine also didn’t want to join Russia, until one day they did. Don’t play stupid old man. Witkoff is setting the precedent, I grant you he is completely clueless as to the uintended consequences of what ge is saying, but this is the risk you run when narcissistic morons try to fix problems they don’t understand. ”Also 21 countries speak Spanish so why Mexico?” Can’t argue with that.
patom Member	Sun Mar 23 06:05:22 Kargan "The language thing works for Canada though and allowing the English speaking provinces to join the US. Some of them actually want to." Which ones? Quebec? Newfoundland? Labrador? New Brunswick (bilingual) PEI (bilingual)
TheChildren Member	Sun Mar 23 06:11:51 neva listen 2 da whisperin 4reigners bringin gifts aka bribes doing divide and conquer it ends with huge realities check. neva allow urself 2 live in hollywoodfantasies where da aliens visit 1 country only, jesus was born in da 18th century and thats when humanhistory begins and where da 1 country patrols da world and buys everything coz they have endless monies and patrol da space and shit or as famous person once said it is dangerous 2 be enemy but it is lethal 2 be vassal
Forwyn Member	Sun Mar 23 09:38:32 Are we discussing a potential referendum by Hispanic speakers who have been here for generations, following a violent coup in DC? If so, yeah, they probably have a case.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Mar 23 09:48:10 Could be that, could be something else, we don't know. What we do know is that if they speak another language, they have legitimate claim to at some point leave the USA. And I think this goes for any language, just that Spanish is the largest group. I imagine that some counties could join Somalia, Gaza and what not. And if you are interested in peace, you should not stop them. And I think the BLM riots showed us that such "crazy" things are not that far from reality. The way you guys are pulling at every seem of your country, I would genuinly be worried for these types of things. You are already engaged in a hybrid civil war.
Paramount Member	Sun Mar 23 10:44:13 ” What is important is what language the people speak” Yes that was important to the puppet regime that the US set up in Ukraine. Ukrainians lived in peace together for many hundreds years. Many non-russian Ukrainians speaks Russian themselves. Language or ethnicity never been a problem. It all started when the american genocide liberals instigated that coup in Ukraine and toppled the democratically elected president of Ukraine and then started to arm neo-nazi militia groups, banned the Russian language (among other things) and encouraged them to start to fight against the Russian speaking population in eastern Ukraine. That was when the problem started. The US puppet regime told Ukrainian citizens to leave the country if they wanted to speak russian. So the ethnic russians held a referendum, did as they were told — left the country (Ukraine) and joined Russia and took their land and homes with them. And what matters is that the Brits are not going to go in in Ukraine and fight Russia. The US is not going to do it. Ukraine got played and now the Brits are embarrassed that they helped to play the Ukrainians on behalf of the genocide liberals in the USA. That’s why the british elite is so upset today. It is not because they want to defend Ukrainian ”democracy”, it is because they got too got played by the USA. If the Brits or the US thought that Ukraine was fighting on the frontline of democracy and freedom, they would have gone into Ukraine on day 1. They never did, and they won’t do it now.
Forwyn Member	Sun Mar 23 12:35:36 "You are already engaged in a hybrid civil war." Indeed. And if it comes to violent coup, we should probably let people go their own way for whatever they want. Folks in the Pacific Northwest want to join Canada? Have at it. El Pasoans want to join Mexico? Who cares? Miami wants to become a Cuban colony? My tourism to these locations doesn't grant me ownership over them. Why should I go to a place I've never lived in and murder them for leaving a political arrangement, as dictated by DC slugs who have also never lived there?
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Mar 23 12:58:22 Excellent. Let it be known.
Forwyn Member	Sun Mar 23 23:44:59 I've made it known for years. Folks just don't tend to agree. They love marching to places they've never been to murder secessionists. Here, we cheer a schoolteacher who marched down from Maine and held together a Union detachment that would likely have otherwise failed at Gettysburg. Patom probably has a shrine next to his cuck chair.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Mon Mar 24 04:11:43 I will not argue with you, I will just ask, who else is on board with the libertarian civilization suicide of the USA?
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Mon Mar 24 04:14:15 Has not taken much time to realize that the destroyers of the west are not exclusively on the liberal left woke axis. And whether it's murder or Forwyn, I love the frankness. Yea sure, let it implode. LET IT BE KNOWN!
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Mon Mar 24 04:19:34 The one guy wants to destroy America so everyone can have their turn at being a doctor or an astronaut, because something something America bad, the other guy wants to destroy America so that Russia can have Ukraine, because something something America bad.
Rugian Member	Mon Mar 24 12:09:51 The US is entitled to Texas because it is ours and because ***we have the ability to enforce our ownership of it.*** Whatever your opinion of the Ukraine war, the simple fact is that Ukraine is never going to be able to retake the territories occupied by Russia. You can think that's unfair, okay. It doesn't change the facts on the ground. The only way all of those lands go back to Ukraine at this point is if the US and/or Europe fully intervene in the war. And that's not happening...so, yeah. Adios Luhansk.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Mon Mar 24 12:55:05 "we have the ability to enforce our ownership" As long as enough of you think they should be enforced at all and not submit to peace. You have to contend with the reality that some portion of those currently supporting your side of the Ukraine issue are those that will gladly disintegrate the USA. Left, right and center. They are laying the foundation for your future. The dissolution of grand narratives and firm dualist view is not just a left wing thing.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Mon Mar 24 13:15:18 There is no metaphysical anchor on the right anymore. It is empty, soulless and empty of moral fiber. And you know what happens when you are low on fiber. You become full of shit.
Seb Member	Mon Mar 24 13:17:03 Rugian: I think Russia is likely to collapse as a country if it tries to maintain this war indefinitely; and the US and Europe maintain sanctions. And certainly there will be a point where Putin croaks. It would be foolish of the West to offer at any point to remove sanctions or recognise territory.
Forwyn Member	Tue Mar 25 21:50:34 "Yea sure, let it implode." I mean yeah, if Texas is seceding following a violent coup, it is likely to avoid being ruled by a new leftist junta. Let that shit implode lol
patom Member	Wed Mar 26 06:15:32 Texas has their lips firmly implanted on the Federal teat. Hurricane, tornado, snow storm, wild fires, etc. Oh, help us!!!
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Wed Mar 26 09:23:04 Forwyn Could be that, could be something else, we don't know. What we do know is that if they speak another language, they have legitimate claim to at some point leave the USA. Let that shithole implode lol.
jergul large member	Wed Mar 26 09:47:43 Seb Well, the EU has someone threatening to take significantly more geography from it than Luhansk from Ukraine. Frankly, Russian territorial claims seem more likely to be used as an excuse to redraw other frontiers than it is to be seen as a fundamental breech of international law.
Forwyn Member	Wed Mar 26 18:09:32 "if they speak another language" Largely irrelevant; I'm more concerned at their disenfranchisment by a violent coup. Are the only options to either shut up and accept it, or counter-revolt? Can people not amicably go their own way?
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Thu Mar 27 05:18:46 The only irrelevant things in this thread are your posts and the fact that we have to re-litigate everything so that you can have another go from another angle. Why don't go back to the start of the thread and read what was said, collect all your thoughts, think a few turns about what you want to say. Then press enter.
williamthebastard Member	Thu Mar 27 05:47:18 Man, Qanon boi is one fucked up little sod. He’s somehow managed to become an amalgamation of his parents ME version of violent christian fundamentalism, still stuck in the savage middle ages, with the most plastic of fake US drive in-christianity that believes Jesus only loves rich people, and thinks the shiny trinkets on the hawkers’ tables that Jesus overturned in a rage for defiling God, are the meaning of life. Right after wrecking those tables of shiny trinkets, Jesus would probably have smacked his teeth in for his disdain of empathy. What a psychological mess
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Thu Mar 27 06:09:09 Off topic psychotic spam, after getting owned on topic.
williamthebastard Member	Thu Mar 27 06:19:10 Incel Boi is a Bible John waiting to happen
Forwyn Member	Thu Mar 27 18:09:21 "another go from another angle" I literally mentioned a coup as a requisite component of the comparison you're attempting to draw, in my first comment here. You being in the mood to be an asshole is a you problem.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Fri Mar 28 02:02:27 And ghat answer literally validated what I said. You fucking retard.
williamthebastard Member	Fri Mar 28 02:03:47 Incel Boi one made a post that didnt include "you fucking retard". Must have been around 2003, I think
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Fri Mar 28 02:16:13 Shut up you fucking retard.
williamthebastard Member	Fri Mar 28 02:22:58 And all the time he sits in the dark screaming "you fucking retard" at every virtual passer-by, he has a young daughter lying alone and neglected in her cot in another room. Personally, if I had young kids to care for, I'd never spend a single evening online
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Fri Mar 28 02:35:14 Personally you are a fucking retard.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Fri Mar 28 02:40:04 About as legit as it can be without the proper diagnosis. I think we are all dying to hear what you imagine ”having kids” is like that you wouldn’t/couldn’t spend a single evening ”online”. Considering you have unregulated working hours :-) please embsrass yourself on yet another topic.
Forwyn Member	Fri Mar 28 05:58:59 "And ghat answer literally validated what I said." Look, I'm sorry that your premise was inherently an oversimplified strawman, I should have expected with your history that the appropriate response to a coup is to run away. Do not damage the state apparatus, lest you be labelled a "destroyer".
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Fri Mar 28 06:58:10 "I should have expected with your history that the appropriate response to a coup is to run away" In my defense, I was only 6 years old. You are at least 12 and still too retarded to get through this conversation in one piece. "your premise" It's not my premise, it is the one laid out by Steve Witkoff. The fact that you do not understand that his words and those of the Trump admin, are *largely relevant* and normative, is validation that you are a fucking retard.
Forwyn Member	Fri Mar 28 07:06:11 Ah, yeah. I totally forgot that my name is Steve Witkoff. We are only discussing languages, any attempt to draw more relevant parallels than braindead politicians is an attempt to re-litigate and move the goalposts. Any discussions must revolve around the musings of these figures, any deviation makes you a retard and a destroyer. Anyway, you seem a bit sensitive about all of this. Are the wife and son doing okay?
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Fri Mar 28 08:02:22 I don’t give a shit about your personal narrative on Ukraine, what you think is relevant or your personal opinion about the politicians as people. This thread is about the things politicians say moral and legal justification for issues today and will become used or abused as normative guidance in the future. You had nothing but to coup coup like a fucking pigeon. Family is fine, how are your wife’s boyfriends doing?
Forwyn Member	Fri Mar 28 08:26:27 Gotcha. Didn't realize this was just a deranged tw rant thread. Well, I can say I didn't expect the decade-stagnant UP respect lines to shift in 2025. Oh well. Have a good one, go back to crying like a bitch.
williamthebastard Member	Fri Mar 28 08:28:31 "coup coup like a fucking pigeon." Is this a Chatgpt translation?
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Fri Mar 28 08:31:55 It’s a quote from forwyn, fucking retard.
williamthebastard Member	Fri Mar 28 08:36:01 You dont even understand what the word quote means, Incel Boi. If you say "coup coup like a fucking pigeon", Im not quoting you if I say "Incel Boi likes fucking small children", you Qanon moron
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Fri Mar 28 08:39:32 Sorry a quote/paraphrase from Bill Hick bit about the JFK assassination, fucking moron. Pigeons with anti-Castro sentiments going ”coup coup”. Swing and miss. Fucking retard. :-)
williamthebastard Member	Fri Mar 28 08:41:10 "Im a clinically diagnosed fucking retard" - Incel Boi Hey, Im just quoting you ;)
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Fri Mar 28 08:49:04 Oh yea you totally owned me as I misspoke. Nice one. *fist bump*
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Fri Mar 28 10:05:12 Forwyn ”Well, I can say I didn't expect the decade-stagnant UP respect lines to shift in 2025” If this is all that it took your respect was never worth having. And btw, you are the one who sound hurt and crying when you essentially say that I broke you heart. Btw how is the situation for all those encircled Ukrainian troops?
Forwyn Member	Fri Mar 28 13:12:47 Yeah, if you're asking why someone might write you off for refusing an olive branch in favor of doubling down on being a faggot, again, that's a you problem. You can't handle a solitary political disagreement without devolving into a butthurt faggot, so be it. Go back to ranting on your own like tw.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Fri Mar 28 13:54:39 Yes a complete unreasonable faggot who wants to discuss the ramifications of what high ranking diplomats and politicians say on podcast, instead of your pigeon brained Ukraine narrative.
jergul large member	Fri Mar 28 14:16:28 "coup coup like a fucking pigeon" Good line
jergul large member	Fri Mar 28 14:16:53 Right up there with "Crimea river"
Forwyn Member	Fri Mar 28 15:53:54 I can tell you want to discuss high-level issues, that's why you led with that instead of assuming that everyone watched some podcast. It's a good thing you clarified that early on, instead of lashing out and crying about re-litigation and the demise of the West, due to the destroyers and fucking retards. Glad we're not re-litigating.
jergul large member	Fri Mar 28 17:07:33 Forwyn Its just history repeating itself. The US has always fostered waves of disappointment verging on a sense of betrayal amongst Europeans and others. So, yes, now there is a new wave of that. Triggered by MAGA, or triggered by Reagan, or triggered by escalation in the Vietnam war, or triggered by murdering labour leaders in the 1910s. Whatever. Same old, same old. I blame hyping the land of opportunity. We dont hold India to nearly the same standards.
jergul large member	Sat Mar 29 02:51:59 A Norwegian author and anarchist Jens Bjørneboe wrote a collection of essays called "We once loved America" (1972). I came over it in the 80s. The core theme was profound disappointment, bordering on betrayal, or perhaps of a love affair gone awry. It rang true to me. So much promise and so much disappointment. This is the core of it. Nimi is there now it seems.
jergul large member	Sat Mar 29 02:53:59 (Remember if you will that all Europeans had many close relations in North America. I still have 2nd cousins bouncing about over there, despite being at least two generations removed from the great migrations).
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sat Mar 29 06:59:00 Forwyn You fucking retard, I explained in my second post. Do you understand now? If I call you a retard, you have crossed many lines, it has nothing to do with your destroyer political ideology.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sat Mar 29 07:06:40 Jergul with another ”great” framing of what is being said. The problems in the USA are manifestly worse in Europe and have been going on for far longer. If the USA is stage 1 or 2, Europe is stage 3 or 4 close to if not already terminal. My concern is that the USA is the last hope and commiting suicide.
jergul large member	Sat Mar 29 07:24:56 Cutie, that whataboutism seems a bit off-tangent. Your last post kind of shows I nailed it <3.
jergul large member	Sat Mar 29 07:35:49 Last sentence rather*
williamthebastard Member	Sat Mar 29 07:41:19 Any part of the world that actually makes it illegal (!) to strangle, choke and punch women until "their face collapses" is committing empathetic suicide and it must end!
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sat Mar 29 07:55:58 Jergul You don’t understand what whataboutism even is. You brought in Europe, not me, you provided a framing, you dragged me into your retardation. I had to reframe and clean up your mess. That is different from the habitual whataboutism you engage in to deflect.
williamthebastard Member	Sat Mar 29 08:01:40 * you fucking retard. *Post fixed
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sat Mar 29 08:05:15 My two favorite permanently broken people, in one thread :,)
jergul large member	Sat Mar 29 09:53:35 Cutie, you seem very combative. I hope everything is ok. The US as a traditional focal point of global admiration is hardly and open door to running with "whaatabout Europe. It sucks, eh?" Very outside the pale. Anyway, point proven. You are greatly dispointed in the US. Like I said when I pointed out that is not at all uncommon <3.
williamthebastard Member	Sat Mar 29 10:08:57 "Kick her in the stomach and stomp on her head" Nimatzo giving advice on how to break up with a girl on his dating site sosuave.net Holy fuck
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sat Mar 29 10:59:06 Jergul Your wildly accurate framings are well known. I am ”disappointed with the USA” and Israel was ”embarrassed” by Hamas. Pointing out that you are retarded in this way is ”whataboutism”. Like your own little mini universe :-)
jergul large member	Sat Mar 29 11:23:21 Cutie, are you going to use absolutely all of the debating fallacies? You do you, but it seems an overreaction to me pointing out your disappointment is a common thread in how we have always viewed the US. I simply cannot see what you are on about <3.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sat Mar 29 11:27:31 And that is still wrong. Disappointment with a country is not something that entered my head, until you said it and instantly I knew how retarded it was. I am not disappointed with the USA anymore that I am think "Norway is retarded" because you happen to live there or that "Russia is evil because PUTIN!". I don't know what to tell you my dumb little friend, I do not think in terms like this.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sat Mar 29 11:32:09 If you think in sloppy conceptual terms like this, anthropomorphizing countries and projecting emotions on them like a teenager to analyze politics and stuff, go head. I just interjected to pull my name out of the dumb-slop you were serving.
jergul large member	Sat Mar 29 11:40:09 Cutie, if I were forced to theorise, it would be that you are hurt that other people have felt the same way in the past as you do now. Oh how we all want to be singular in our individuality. Sadly, not in this case, but I am sure you can try again <3.
jergul large member	Sat Mar 29 11:41:14 Cutie, you are special to me. I hope that helps you feel better <3.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sat Mar 29 14:55:22 I am not here to convince you that my conceptualization is better just alerting you that you are off. I will do what you can’t and use your concepts and language to explain. If someone you love say a daughter was brainwashed or manipulated by an Andrew Tate like character to become an Onlyfans model, the starts taking drugs and tries to kill herself. Do you feel like ”I am disappointed with my daughter” would accurately describe your thoughts and emotions?
jergul large member	Sat Mar 29 16:42:05 Cutie, it could very well be that you have a stronger reaction than disappointment, but it still is the same-old-same old that Europeans have felt about the US in ebbs and flows for more than a century. There truly is nothing new under the sun <3
williamthebastard Member	Sun Mar 30 04:40:36 The stupid, primitive animal and lack of empathy: http://youtu.be/Yu7B8M6hNgg?t=76
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Mar 30 05:54:40 Jergul Unfortunately we have not learned anything that we didn’t already know. That your brain can only work along one axis: ”stronger or weaker reaction”. Changing the goal posts, to what I am saying being innovativ and unique, is just a deflection. I don’t think what I am saying is ”new”. Why are you making this more difficult than it is? I simply said your take is retarded, that is not groundbreaking news that people hade understood before I was born.
jergul large member	Sun Mar 30 07:06:53 Cutie, if you cared to read, I was only theorising on why you are so emotionally invested. Yes, noted that you have your views. I have mine. Mine do however have significant explanatory powers. You are upset because we all get upset when the US fails to live up to our hollywood formed unrealistic expectations <3. Footnote. You seem to overuse the term "retarted" <3.
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