Utopia Talk / Politics / Trump sent Yemen war plans to a magazine

murder Member	Mon Mar 24 13:12:47 Trump national security team messaged plans for Yemen strikes to Atlantic editor in chief The editor in chief of the Atlantic magazine was included on a messaging chain in which senior members of the Trump administration — including Vice President JD Vance, Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth and national security adviser Mike Waltz — discussed strikes against the Houthi terror group in Yemen earlier this month, in a stunning breach of national security. Jeffrey Goldberg revealed the jaw-dropping mishap Monday in an article headlined “The Trump Administration Accidentally Texted Me Its War Plans.” In the article, Goldberg claimed he connected with Waltz on Signal on March 11 and was invited to join a chain called the “Houthi PC small group” two days later. The bombs fell across the Middle Eastern country on March 15, with the Trump administration claiming to have “taken out” multiple leaders of the Iran-backed Houthis. “These were not kind of pinprick, back and forth — what ultimately proved to be feckless attacks,” Waltz told ABC’s “This Week” the following day. “This was an overwhelming response that actually targeted multiple Houthi leaders and took them out, and the difference here is: one, going after the Houthi leadership, and two, holding Iran responsible.” National Security Council spokesman Brian Hughes told The Post that the Signal chain that included Goldberg “appears to be an authentic message chain, and we are reviewing how an inadvertent number was added to the chain. “The thread is a demonstration of the deep and thoughtful policy coordination between senior officials,” Hughes added. “The ongoing success of the Houthi operation demonstrates that there were no threats to troops or national security.” Other top administration officials on the Signal chat included someone identified only as “MAR,” the same initials as Secretary of State Marco Rubio; CIA director John Ratcliffe; special Middle East envoy Steve Witkoff; White House chief of staff Susie Wiles; someone named “S M,” thought to be deputy White House chief of staff for policy Stephen Miller; and someone named “TG,” which Goldberg believed to be Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard. National Security Council spokesman Brian Hughes told The Post that the Signal chain that included Goldberg “appears to be an authentic message chain, and we are reviewing how an inadvertent number was added to the chain. “The thread is a demonstration of the deep and thoughtful policy coordination between senior officials,” Hughes added. “The ongoing success of the Houthi operation demonstrates that there were no threats to troops or national security.” Other top administration officials on the Signal chat included someone identified only as “MAR,” the same initials as Secretary of State Marco Rubio; CIA director John Ratcliffe; special Middle East envoy Steve Witkoff; White House chief of staff Susie Wiles; someone named “S M,” thought to be deputy White House chief of staff for policy Stephen Miller; and someone named “TG,” which Goldberg believed to be Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard. Initially, when Goldberg received a connection request from Waltz, he was skeptical that it was from President Trump’s actual national security adviser and suspected it may have been someone “masquerading” as him. But then on March 13, Waltz instructed participants on the “Houthi PC small group” to provide the best point of contact from their team to help with correspondence over that coming weekend. “Team, you should have a statement of conclusions with taskings per the Presidents guidance this morning in your high side inboxes,” Waltz texted the group at 8:05 a.m. March 14, using the term “high side” to refer to classified computer systems. “State and DOD [Defense Department], we developed suggested notification lists for regional Allies and partners. Joint Staff is sending this am a more specific sequence of events in the coming days and we will work w DOD to ensure COS [Chief of Staff], OVP [Office of the Vice President] and POTUS are briefed.” Vance, who was traveling to Michigan for an economy-focused event, told the group that “I think we are making a mistake” with the strikes. “[Three] percent of US trade runs through the [Suez Canal]. 40 percent of European trade does,” said the veep. “There is a real risk that the public doesn’t understand this or why it’s necessary. The strongest reason to do this is, as POTUS said, to send a message.” “I am not sure the president is aware how inconsistent this is with his message on Europe right now,” Vance went on. “There’s a further risk that we see a moderate to severe spike in oil prices. I am willing to support the consensus of the team and keep these concerns to myself. But there is a strong argument for delaying this a month, doing the messaging work on why this matters, seeing where the economy is, etc.” Another user named Joe Kent, Trump’s pick to run the National Counterterrorism Center, argued that “There is nothing time sensitive driving the time line” and stressed, “We’ll have the exact same options in a month.” Hegseth replied to Vance that ” I understand your concerns” and argued that “messaging is going to be tough no matter what – nobody knows who the Houthis are – which is why we would need to stay focused on: 1) Biden failed & 2) Iran funded.” The Pentagon boss argued in favor of following through on an attack, stressing the importance of not looking indecisive. “Whether it’s now or several weeks from now,” Waltz chimed in, “it will have to be the United States that reopens these shipping lanes. Per the president’s request we are working with DOD and State to determine how to compile the cost associated and levy them on the Europeans.” Vance then seemingly backed down, telling Hegseth, “If you think we should do it let’s go. I just hate bailing Europe out again.” “VP,” Hegseth answered. “I fully share your loathing of European free-loading. It’s PATHETIC. But Mike is correct, we are the only ones on the planet (on our side of the ledger) who can do this. Nobody else even close. Question is timing. I feel like now is as good a time as any, given POTUS directive to reopen shipping lanes. I think we should go; but POTUS still retains 24 hours of decision space.” At that point, the account believed to be Stephen Miller chimed in and said: “As I heard it, the president was clear: green light, but we soon make clear to Egypt and Europe what we expect in return.” The following day, on March 15, Hegseth gave an update to the team at 11:44 a.m. with operational details about the then-forthcoming strikes on Yemen, which were reported by news outlets a couple of hours later. Goldberg did not divulge the specific message due to concerns about jeopardizing US military and intelligence capabilities. “I will say a prayer for victory,” Vance replied in the group. Goldberg later removed himself from the group chat and reached out to officials including Waltz, Hegseth, and Gabbard and others about the group chat. A spokesperson for Vance later downplayed the appearance of daylight between the veep and Trump over the attack. “The Vice President’s first priority is always making sure that the President’s advisers are adequately briefing him on the substance of their internal deliberations,” spokesperson William Martin told The Atlantic. “Vice President Vance unequivocally supports this administration’s foreign policy. The President and the Vice President have had subsequent conversations about this matter and are in complete agreement.” Goldberg’s inclusion in the group chat was stunning for a number of reasons — including the fact that he authored a disputed 2020 article accusing Trump of disparaging US troops buried in France as “suckers” and “losers.” Trump vehemently denied saying so, but the allegation was cited as fact by Democrats, including regularly by former President Joe Biden — even after the lede of Goldberg’s piece was debunked by a Freedom of Information Act release. The author claimed that Trump falsely “blamed rain for the last-minute decision” to cancel a cemetery visit near Paris in 2018 “saying that ‘the helicopter couldn’t fly’ and that the Secret Service wouldn’t drive him there. Neither claim was true.” Navy records showed that military personnel made a “bad weather call” that canceled the helicopter flight, which typically happens when low cloud cover makes it unsafe to land. Goldberg never corrected his story. A spokesperson for the Pentagon referred The Post to Hughes’ statement. The State Department did not immediately respond to requests for comment. http://nyp...s-to-atlantic-editor-in-chief/
murder Member	Mon Mar 24 13:14:04 This administration is a fucking clown car.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Mon Mar 24 13:49:07 lol :-) and it never ends, the clowns keep pouring out of the car.
Rugian Member	Mon Mar 24 16:37:49 But...her emails...
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Mar 24 18:07:09 yeah, what did Hillary email that was remotely as sensitive as this? (or anything at all, the few items were people sending -to- her iirc)... anyway, i assume all R's want Hegseth put on trial Trump taking it seriously by reposting Musk's joke (that he just rephrased from a Babylon Bee headline): "Best place to hide a dead body is page 2 of The Atlantic magazine, because no one ever goes there"
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Mar 24 18:09:49 wow... drunkard/FoxHost/SecDef Hegseth didn't get the message it's already been confirmed he's just smearing the reporter & dodging any responsibility & lying
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Mar 24 18:21:20 here's the disgusting already proven fucking liar who should be fired instantly just for these comments: http://x.com/Acyn/status/1904309995019411933/video/1
murder Member	Mon Mar 24 18:52:39 "he's just smearing the reporter & dodging any responsibility & lying" Wow, that's so unlike him. I wonder what his mother thinks of this type of behavior.
Paramount Member	Tue Mar 25 02:13:54 ” The editor in chief of the Atlantic magazine was included on a messaging chain” Well, have you never heard of embedded journalism before? ”Jeffrey Goldberg” And if it was a jew, do you really think it was a mistake that he was included? And why shouldn’t he be included? A friend of Netanyahu and ally of Israel, he needs to know what is going on so he can report back to Israel.
patom Member	Tue Mar 25 02:55:38 And the Kakistocracy keeps growing.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Tue Mar 25 05:19:54 Rugian Tsk...whataboutism. Very disappointing. And look at tumbleweed he took the bait...
murder Member	Tue Mar 25 06:05:13 I can pretty much guarantee that Trump is going to try to prosecute Jeffrey Goldberg.
Paramount Member	Tue Mar 25 13:40:30 If Goldberg wasn’t allow to be in the chat, why was he there and why didn’t he immediately leave? Instead he chose to remain and eavesdrop on the meeting to attain classified information. USA should sue and jail him.
murder Member	Tue Mar 25 14:00:46 Democrats: "This is a breach of national security! We need to investigate!" MAGA: "For what? Half the people in that chat are Russian spies. pwned! lmfao!" -
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Mar 25 14:06:43 Mike Waltz is doing the Hegseth route & smearing reporters & praising lord Trump (i believe he's the disgusting lying asshole who added the reporter to the chat) meanwhile, Trump propagandist on CNN claims 'they owned up to it & are fixing it'... no, all involved are lying... such a disgusting group of people
patom Member	Tue Mar 25 16:26:34 It would be interesting to know all the recipients of this text about their plans to attack the Houtis in Yemen. Was Putin on the list? 2 hrs. prior to the attack. Hmm, I wonder how many targets were moved before the bombs fell?
williamthebastard Member	Tue Mar 25 17:05:02 Its what you get when all your hires are DEI and not a single one on merit.
Rugian Member	Tue Mar 25 18:02:19 "The Atlantic's Signal Story Is Quickly Falling Apart It’s a warning that perhaps more administrative due diligence should be applied when creating these group chats on encrypted and secure messenger apps. Still, while alarming at first, the hubbub is dying down quickly. This story in The Atlantic that secret war plans were disclosed to known anti-Trump fake news writer Jeffrey Goldberg, who was accidentally added to the group, is falling apart faster than a skiff made of paper. Was it an unforced error by the Trump team? One hundred percent—they’re no angels here, but no classified information was disclosed. There were no war plans. We have a bunch of top officials speaking candidly and in generalities about anti-Houthi operations. These were unclassified discussions, and Signal is an approved app. Biden’s people used it. It was already downloaded on the devices of the principals involved. CIA Director John Ratcliffe was on those chats—no classified information was disclosed. http://tow...t-war-plans-narrative-n2654467
murder Member	Tue Mar 25 18:07:22 So then there's no problem with Goldberg posting the chat.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Mar 25 18:08:04 "to known anti-Trump fake news writer Jeffrey Goldberg" unbiased journalism... "no classified information was disclosed" "These were unclassified discussions" "no classified information was disclosed" as shown by what? the criminals in the chat say so? how could plans to attack including the timing not be classified (& supposedly specific targets... maybe we'll see those details if they keep lying) do you -actually- think the story 'falling apart' by that totally obvious propaganda article?
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Mar 25 18:19:44 given the strategy by the total shitbag liars is to smear the reporter whenever commenting (to pretend the story a 'hoax'... of which there's been zero hoaxes), i assume the only one at risk of being fired is the person who confirmed the conversation was real
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Mar 25 18:27:05 shitbag Waltz (who invited the reporter to the chat) asked how it happened: " Have you ever had somebody's contact that shows their name and then you have somebody else's number there? ... of course I didn't see this loser in the group, it looked like someone else. Now whether he did it deliberately, or it happened by some other technical means we're trying to figure it out. " http://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3llafd4cbci2b ah... arrest the reporter! & maybe send to the El Salvador prison w/o review as is the 'president's right... (any judge saying otherwise should be killed) #MAGA
patom Member	Wed Mar 26 06:10:38 Can you just imagine if a Democrat had leaked to the press on battle plans? Trusk would be having an orgasm while screaming to the world that the guilty party should be locked up in Costa Rica.
patom Member	Wed Mar 26 06:25:50 There probably isn't very many members of the Government who have kids or relatives in the service but if they do, you can bet their scrambling to have them assigned to safe zones.
Paramount Member	Wed Mar 26 07:52:30 What if someone … someone like the Democrats, CIA, FBI, NATO or ….the Brits(!) helped Goldberg to hack himself into the meeting? The purpose would be to make a scene about it and be able to blame Trump and throw shit on him because he doesn’t want Americans to die for Ukraine. Remember, there has already been two attempts to take his life.
patom Member	Wed Mar 26 09:51:11 Paramount, Yemen is no where near Ukraine. The battle plans were sent to Goldberg 2 hrs. prior to the attack. The official who added Goldberg to the list of recipients worked for the Trump administration. He said publicly that he was the one who put Goldbergs number on the list. Who or how can you bring the CIA, FBI, NATO or any other agency into the picture?
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Wed Mar 26 11:05:22 "no classified information was disclosed."¨ This does not seem to be correct.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Mar 26 11:06:17 the story still "falling apart"... Atlantic posting more as the lying liars claim not classified: JPG of Hegseth announcing as planes/drones launch 2 hrs prior as patom mentioning (& 'target is at his known location')... yeah, who could make use of that... http://cdn...7v2vy56j27zd3ku55h55devuy@jpeg
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Mar 26 11:27:39 seems like they'll end up going to w/ the 'Hegseth declassified it by saying it' defense (what they use for Trump when he blurts out classified info for no good reason) it still makes Hegseth in violation of the Espionage Act as being technically classified doesn't matter, just needs to be national defense info (as we learned when fuckhead Trump was idiotically claiming insane methods of declassification for the docs he illegally took & kept... & hid) Hegseth & Waltz should be fired by any sane leader, just on their responses alone (Trump should be removed as well for that & so many things)... Tulsi Gabbard & Ratcliff also shown to be shit
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Mar 26 11:37:09 in their testimony today (vs what they said yesterday): Tulsi Gabbard: Well, I didn't recall what was in the chat (when lying about it yesterday) Rat-cliffe: -I- didn't post any classified info... (rat rushing off the sinking ship)
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Mar 26 11:51:32 cultist: "How is it that Jeffrey Goldberg, who hates you, ends up on this Signal chat, isn't that bizarre?" Trump: "[smears of guy/Atlantic]. Somebody in my group either screwed up or it's a bad signal, you know, it's a bad signal, it happens too..." http://x.com/factpostnews/status/1904907645183484025 oh, PLEASE explain the 'bad signal'... (he of course doesn't after that clip ends & the cultist of course doesn't expose the idiocy) the fucking idiot has no idea what's going on still (yesterday he was saying 'i guess it was an app, if you want to call it that' yeah, everyone calls it that... & talking like it was a phone call)
obaminated Member	Wed Mar 26 12:02:46 What an asshole. He got invited into a private chat and then leaked what he saw. And liberals think he did the right thing. Imagine if what he leaked led to Americans being killed. He didn't care. And clearly liberals wouldn't care.
patom Member	Wed Mar 26 12:11:41 obaminated. Goldberg did NOT leak the info to anyone prior to the attack. In fact he thought it might be a hoax and didn't realize it was real until AFTER the bombs were dropped.
obaminated Member	Wed Mar 26 12:14:21 And then he leaked it.
murder Member	Wed Mar 26 12:32:51 "What an asshole. He got invited into a private chat and then leaked what he saw. And liberals think he did the right thing." He exposed a pretty massive national security fuck up, and they responded by lying about it, lying to Congress about it, and calling him a liar. Maybe if the administration wasn't wall to wall rotten children, this could have been handled differently. -
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Mar 26 13:36:38 "And then he leaked it" he 'leaked it' after the disgusting liars were all claiming it was nothing classified no chance of getting anyone killed (unlike when Hegseth posted it)
Seb Member	Wed Mar 26 15:33:49 How are these guys still in post? I'm mean honestly maga folks. You love calling people cucked but uh, this is about the definition of it.
williamthebastard Member	Wed Mar 26 15:36:54 one of the wives of someone involved on the ground is freaking out all over social media about how they endangered her husbands life and she's not going to rest until everybody knows about it
Seb Member	Wed Mar 26 15:38:39 He didn't leak it. He's not in been given it in confidence. Waltz leaked it by including him. And the rest of them ought to know better than to be talking about this stuff on unsecure devices. I doubt these are properly secured end-points even if the network is end-to-end secure. Properly secured devices probably won't let you install third party apps. Muppets.
obaminated Member	Wed Mar 26 16:47:44 Hegseth said it best. "War plans. Okay. No names. No dates. No locations. What a great war plan." Fucking moron liberals.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Mar 26 16:55:09 pretty sure the date would be the same day as the F-18s were launching (which he mentioned to the minute... & wasn't near midndight...) Trump is confused why anyone's even mentioning Hegseth (+ thinks Signal is defective 'to be honest with you'... that's his honest belief that he's relaying to you dumb idiots who voted for him...) video of Trump's continuous stupidity: http://x.com/atrupar/status/1905011859708576153 (that's today: '[Hegseth] had nothing to do this. How do you bring Hegseth into it?')
murder Member	Wed Mar 26 19:05:59 Trump doesn't know anything about anything. Hegseth was receiving information through secure means and then sharing it with the class through unsecured means ... which completely defeats the DoDs security. There's a reason he was narrating it to everyone else. -
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Mar 26 19:16:26 CNN added AI voices to the transcript... not particularly helpful :p but it's first place i saw full transcript: http://www...up-chat-ai-generated-ac-digvid of note bits: -Hegseth concerned of the discussion (about attacking at all) leaking as it would make them look indecisive... (prob shouldn't have a reporter on the chat...) -Hegseth saying he'd do all he could to maintain OPSEC (operational security)... -Hegseth bragging about the OPSEC right after posting a timeline of when F-18s, drones & tomahawks would launch (as also shown in JPG above)
Sam Adams Member	Wed Mar 26 19:24:24 Trump vs the Atlantic. What an embarrassing gimp fight.
murder Member	Wed Mar 26 19:38:44 "CNN added AI voices to the transcript... not particularly helpful" Worse than not helpful. Now the nutters can legitimately say that the media is fabricating and manipulating the evidence.
Sam Adams Member	Wed Mar 26 20:05:58 Surrounded by retards.
Seb Member	Thu Mar 27 02:33:35 Obaminated: Are you telling me that if that had been published immediately that the Houthis "chief missile guy" wouldn't recognise himself, know where his girl friends apartment was, and infer the timing? And knowing all that is it inconceivable the Houthis might have been able to leverage that too mitigate damage or even hold the planes at risk? I mean this level of willingness to excuse an almighty level of incompetence is really quite sad. It's your fucking country and service mens lives and you are acting like a kid in the playground fighting over Nintendo Vs Sega.
williamthebastard Member	Thu Mar 27 03:49:49 "Worse than not helpful. Now the nutters can legitimately say that the media is fabricating and manipulating the evidence." Rather the opposite. We should immediately stop trying to play the game according to their rules. It doesnt work for one second. Every time we try to move the debate forward and go, "ok, lets say youre right for the sake of argument", they get to move the center point even further to their side. Its like a parent allowing their 3 year old to dictate the rules of the house. The Dems keep losing by trying to play according to their rules. If they say AI voices prove this is fake, theyre lying at a baby's level and we should not back down anymore, we should stick to that fact of the real world and just tell them to stfu with their idiotic lies.
williamthebastard Member	Thu Mar 27 03:53:52 To keep playing by the stupidest people in the country's rules, to let their rules dominate is to participate in dumbing down the entire country and creating a kakistocracy
williamthebastard Member	Thu Mar 27 04:25:55 No more "These greens make me ill!" "Ok, would you like some chips instead? Some ice cream?" Instead: "Ok, if you dont eat your greens, you go to bed hungry, your choice."
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Thu Mar 27 04:47:52 Obaminated is the king of saying one thing and then the complete opposite a few hours later when the first thing he said blows up in his face. First the journalist is an asshole for leaking the chat, this could have led to America lives being lost. And then Hegseth was right, there was nothing important there anyway. lol :) You guys remember that Obaminted is called Obaminated because he once lost a bet with me over who would win Obamas second term?
obaminated Member	Thu Mar 27 08:50:56 In my defense, the way the media portrayed this story intitially made it seem a lot worse than it was. It made it seem like this guy was leaking legit war plans. He had nothing. Also, I owned up to losing that bet nim.
patom Member	Thu Mar 27 08:57:58 Nimatzo, first off the journalist did NOT release the chat BEFORE the attack. In fact he was thinking it was some kind of hoax until the bombs fell. It was only AFTER the quartet of liars tried to say there was nothing of any importance in the chats. Or that he was lying, that he released the chats. wtb, they have already created a kakistocracy. All set up and functioning as expected. SNAFU.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Thu Mar 27 11:06:55 Obaminated I follow some people I trust as non-partisan and professional, former military, they tell me that had they disclosed the information that was revealed in that chat, they would be in jail. You have the names of targets and the time of the attack before the attacks take place. If that isn’t sensitive information, I don’t know what is. Come on, man, be reasonable. Abandon the idea that these people are going to save the USA, such people do not exist because the system does not allow for them. Because you have the name I gave you, in some way you are my UP son :,) <3
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Mar 27 11:52:40 to be fair not the names, but saying 'target terrorist at his known location' & expecting to hit him at a specific time would give Hootie & any significant Blowfish hours to go somewhere out of their normal patterns (& just knowing targeting people at all is useful) plus of course there's the exact launch times & expected bomb arrival times so if the piece of shit liars want to keep claiming 'it's not -war- plans!' or 'it's not classified!', then fire them for it not being classified
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Thu Mar 27 12:28:53 Fair enough, not names explicitly but I think enough information to deduce some?
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Mar 27 14:38:14 i think only mention of "Houthi leadership" & then "target Terrorist @ his Known Location" two hours before the strike expected to hit then that target being called "their top missile guy" w/ positive ID of him being at his "girlfriend's building" when announcing the bldg had collapsed w/ attacks continuing w/ exact times of some still having been given (for no reason) by alcoholic Fox host Hegseth (who for some reason is the Sec of Defense)
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