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murder
Member Sat Jun 28 04:20:07
New Army Shaving Policy Will Allow Soldiers with Skin Condition that Affects Mostly Black Men to Be Kicked Out

The Army is preparing to roll out a new policy that could lead to soldiers diagnosed with a chronic skin condition that causes painful razor bumps and scarring to be kicked out of the service -- an issue that disproportionately affects Black men.

The new guidance, expected to take effect in the coming weeks, would bar permanent shaving waivers and require medical personnel to craft formal treatment plans for affected troops, according to multiple service officials and internal documents reviewed by Military.com.

Soldiers in need of prolonged waivers may be directed to get laser treatments. Those who need shaving exemptions for more than 12 months over a two-year period could be kicked out of the Army. Units across the force will also be mandated to rebrief personnel on grooming standards within 90 days of the policy's rollout.

Most shaving waivers are for soldiers diagnosed with pseudofolliculitis barbae, or PFB, a condition in which hairs curl back into the skin after shaving and cause irritation. The Pentagon may cover the laser treatment, but that can cost thousands of dollars per soldier, depending on the number of sessions required. It's unclear how many soldiers would require the procedure.

The American Osteopathic College of Dermatology estimates that up to 60% of Black men are affected by the condition. Laser treatments can cause scarring and changes in skin pigmentation.

"Of course, this is racially motivated," one senior noncommissioned officer familiar with the plans told Military.com on the condition of anonymity to avoid retaliation. "There's no tactical reason; you can look professional with facial hair."

In March, the Marine Corps rolled out a similar program allowing troops to be separated if the genetic skin condition persists, also raising concerns of racial discrimination.

The Army has been in a prolonged recruiting slump since the high-water mark of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, something it started to turn around last year.

While Black Americans make up about 14% of the U.S. population, they have accounted for roughly one-quarter of the Army's new recruits in recent years, with that number steadily rising.

However, the services have made deliberate efforts to reduce recruiting efforts linked to minority groups amid Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth's purge of diversity initiatives during the Trump administration.

In 2018, more than 44,000 new recruits identified as white, according to Army data. By 2023, that number had fallen to just over 25,000 -- a staggering 43% drop in five years. The steepest annual decline came most recently, with a 6% dip from 2022 to 2023 alone. No other demographic group has seen such a precipitous fall.

Much of the recent recruiting slump was attributable to men being less qualified, or willing, to don the uniform while women have been joining the ranks at a steady rate.

Medical complications tied to mandatory shaving emerged as a flashpoint during the military's bumpy road toward racial integration. In the early 1970s, then-Chief of Naval Operations Adm. Elmo Zumwalt launched an aggressive campaign to root out racism and sexism across the ranks.

As part of that broader push, Zumwalt issued a now-famous directive permitting sailors to grow beards and mustaches, a move that clashed with the Navy's traditionally rigid grooming codes but aimed to ease chronic skin issues that disproportionately affected Black service members.

The primary argument against allowing beards in the ranks has long centered on concerns that they could compromise the seal of a gas mask. But a 2021 study from Military Medicine, a peer-reviewed medical journal, found there's no conclusive evidence that a well-groomed, modest beard interferes with mask function.

The publication also noted that only a small fraction of service members operate in environments where chemical attacks are a realistic threat.

In Alaska, units are granted wide latitude when it comes to grooming standards, with commanders often waiving shaving requirements during the frigid winter months. Troops are frequently instructed to skip their morning shave or forgo it entirely while operating in the field -- not out of convenience but as a safety precaution. The extreme cold can make shaving a medical hazard, with exposed skin at risk of frostbite and other cold-weather injuries.

The Army move to clamp down on shaving waivers follows Hegseth, who has protested shaving waivers, ordering a sweeping review of grooming standards across the services. He has claimed that standards have fallen in recent years and damaged the military.

"We kicked out good soldiers for having naked women tattooed on their arms," Hegseth said in a March statement criticizing what he characterized as bad policy decisions by past administrations. "And today we are relaxing the standards on shaving, dreadlocks, man buns, and straight-up obesity. Piece by piece, the standard had to go -- because of equity."

http://www...y-black-men-be-kicked-out.html

Pillz
breaker of wtb Sat Jun 28 04:22:23
They're medically exempt from service.

What's your issue here retard?

jergul
large member Sat Jun 28 04:48:04
The clampdown on shaving waivers seems racially motivated. In a more general sense, you have to ask why the military feels the need to unnessesarily regulate a soldier's personal space in the first place. Particularly with a rule that is against best practices in the field. Well kept facial hair easily passes any reasonable grooming standard.

Here, accomodation easily overlaps with broader military goals like retaining personnell and having a broad recruitment pool for a chance at being able to reach recruiting targets.

murder
Member Sat Jun 28 05:08:35

"They're medically exempt from service."

They are not medically exempt from service. They have been serving. Nor do they want to be exempt from service.

"What's your issue here retard?"

Racism.

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TheChildren
Member Sat Jun 28 05:55:41
iggas and chinks and beanos and sandniggahs shuldnt join whitey military 2 begin with

obaminated
Member Sat Jun 28 14:20:40
If you have adhd and want to serve you still cant serve. They have a medical condition that bars them from service. They can serve their country in other ways, like marrying their baby mama and sticking around to raise their kids.

jergul
large member Sat Jun 28 15:55:30
And sammy certainly did that!

murder
Member Sat Jun 28 16:24:24

"They have a medical condition that bars them from service."

They do now that the white nationalists have taken over the government.

Pillz
breaker of wtb Sun Jun 29 00:28:35
Makes sense you oppose personal hygiene / grooming standards

murder
Member Sun Jun 29 06:39:22

Makes sense that you'd be intimidated by black men.

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TheChildren
Member Sun Jun 29 06:46:50
why u nighgaz join whitey anglo military 2 do wut

muhammed ali alrdy knew wutsup!. no slanty vietcong eva colonized him, but they send u 2 do wut they done across da world

u be a fool 2 think u arent being used fool

Forwyn
Member Mon Jun 30 10:53:10
"Not coddling minorities with special treatment is racism!"

-jergul, murder, etc

"why the military feels the need to unnessesarily regulate a soldier's personal space"

Pro:tip: it's not about looks

jergul
large member Mon Jun 30 11:05:53
Do you coddle caucasians with sun screen in Syria Forwyn?

Forwyn
Member Mon Jun 30 11:24:47
Is sunscreen an exemption to service-wide standards? Does it prevent the proper usage of equipment?

Is your next great analogy going to be bug spray?

jergul
large member Mon Jun 30 13:04:08
My next great example would be lube. Since you think sunscreen is an ok accomodation for the melanin impaired. Why is ok for a soldier to rub one kind of lubricant all over his body as much as he likes, but not a different kind of lubricant?

Clean shaven is not a service wide standard. It varies by branch and by conditions.

jergul
large member Mon Jun 30 13:15:01
Material Compatibility:
Gas masks are typically made of rubber or elastomer materials, which can be sensitive to certain chemicals found in some sunscreens.
Oil-Based Sunscreens:
Sunscreens containing oils can leave a residue on the skin and potentially on the gas mask's sealing surface, reducing its ability to grip the face and create a proper seal.
Chemical Degradation:
Some sunscreen ingredients might chemically react with the gas mask material, causing it to soften, swell, or degrade over time, ultimately impacting its sealing capabilities.
Proper Application and Removal:
Even if the sunscreen doesn't directly damage the mask, improper application or removal could leave a residue that interferes with the seal.

AI generated, so it must be true.

Forwyn
Member Mon Jun 30 13:48:32
- This isn't as big an issue as you're implying; most skin is covered by standard-issue uniforms.
- It's not an accommodation; servicemembers are simply instructed not to allow themselves to get burned in a way that will interfere with duty; commanders often put a general requirement to have sunscreen on packing lists as a CYA; it typically goes unenforced unless someone comes up blistering.
- "Clean shaven is not a service wide standard. It varies by branch" LOL. Say that again, this time: "Clean shaven is not a service wide standard. It varies by service"
- "and by conditions." Yeah, if you're on a sub or SF. Very, very narrow occupation-related exemptions.
- "which can be sensitive to certain chemicals" Yeah, it's also sensitive to fucking sunlight lol. It's more important that it fits. We likely spend more on replenishment procurement than your entire military budget.

jergul
large member Mon Jun 30 15:10:32
So perhaps soldiers could be instructed to shave in a manner that does not interfer with duty?

The decision is political is perhaps the best way to put it. Political meddling within the military never ends well.

It just is part of the whole lets get rid of minorities in jobs white people dont want to do anyway.

Good luck with recruitment and retainment goals. Lol.

jergul
large member Mon Jun 30 15:14:07
Not to draw comparisons to Nazism. But while Germany was in the midst of rapid urbanization, the powers that be decided on a national-romatic goal that Germans should all become homesteaders. Lebensraum was fuelled entirely by this drive. Germany lost a war for something very few Germans would consider doing. Yay, I want to homestead in Reich kommiseriat Ost. Something never said by anyone.

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murder Member	Sat Jun 28 04:20:07 New Army Shaving Policy Will Allow Soldiers with Skin Condition that Affects Mostly Black Men to Be Kicked Out The Army is preparing to roll out a new policy that could lead to soldiers diagnosed with a chronic skin condition that causes painful razor bumps and scarring to be kicked out of the service -- an issue that disproportionately affects Black men. The new guidance, expected to take effect in the coming weeks, would bar permanent shaving waivers and require medical personnel to craft formal treatment plans for affected troops, according to multiple service officials and internal documents reviewed by Military.com. Soldiers in need of prolonged waivers may be directed to get laser treatments. Those who need shaving exemptions for more than 12 months over a two-year period could be kicked out of the Army. Units across the force will also be mandated to rebrief personnel on grooming standards within 90 days of the policy's rollout. Most shaving waivers are for soldiers diagnosed with pseudofolliculitis barbae, or PFB, a condition in which hairs curl back into the skin after shaving and cause irritation. The Pentagon may cover the laser treatment, but that can cost thousands of dollars per soldier, depending on the number of sessions required. It's unclear how many soldiers would require the procedure. The American Osteopathic College of Dermatology estimates that up to 60% of Black men are affected by the condition. Laser treatments can cause scarring and changes in skin pigmentation. "Of course, this is racially motivated," one senior noncommissioned officer familiar with the plans told Military.com on the condition of anonymity to avoid retaliation. "There's no tactical reason; you can look professional with facial hair." In March, the Marine Corps rolled out a similar program allowing troops to be separated if the genetic skin condition persists, also raising concerns of racial discrimination. The Army has been in a prolonged recruiting slump since the high-water mark of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, something it started to turn around last year. While Black Americans make up about 14% of the U.S. population, they have accounted for roughly one-quarter of the Army's new recruits in recent years, with that number steadily rising. However, the services have made deliberate efforts to reduce recruiting efforts linked to minority groups amid Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth's purge of diversity initiatives during the Trump administration. In 2018, more than 44,000 new recruits identified as white, according to Army data. By 2023, that number had fallen to just over 25,000 -- a staggering 43% drop in five years. The steepest annual decline came most recently, with a 6% dip from 2022 to 2023 alone. No other demographic group has seen such a precipitous fall. Much of the recent recruiting slump was attributable to men being less qualified, or willing, to don the uniform while women have been joining the ranks at a steady rate. Medical complications tied to mandatory shaving emerged as a flashpoint during the military's bumpy road toward racial integration. In the early 1970s, then-Chief of Naval Operations Adm. Elmo Zumwalt launched an aggressive campaign to root out racism and sexism across the ranks. As part of that broader push, Zumwalt issued a now-famous directive permitting sailors to grow beards and mustaches, a move that clashed with the Navy's traditionally rigid grooming codes but aimed to ease chronic skin issues that disproportionately affected Black service members. The primary argument against allowing beards in the ranks has long centered on concerns that they could compromise the seal of a gas mask. But a 2021 study from Military Medicine, a peer-reviewed medical journal, found there's no conclusive evidence that a well-groomed, modest beard interferes with mask function. The publication also noted that only a small fraction of service members operate in environments where chemical attacks are a realistic threat. In Alaska, units are granted wide latitude when it comes to grooming standards, with commanders often waiving shaving requirements during the frigid winter months. Troops are frequently instructed to skip their morning shave or forgo it entirely while operating in the field -- not out of convenience but as a safety precaution. The extreme cold can make shaving a medical hazard, with exposed skin at risk of frostbite and other cold-weather injuries. The Army move to clamp down on shaving waivers follows Hegseth, who has protested shaving waivers, ordering a sweeping review of grooming standards across the services. He has claimed that standards have fallen in recent years and damaged the military. "We kicked out good soldiers for having naked women tattooed on their arms," Hegseth said in a March statement criticizing what he characterized as bad policy decisions by past administrations. "And today we are relaxing the standards on shaving, dreadlocks, man buns, and straight-up obesity. Piece by piece, the standard had to go -- because of equity." http://www...y-black-men-be-kicked-out.html
Pillz breaker of wtb	Sat Jun 28 04:22:23 They're medically exempt from service. What's your issue here retard?
jergul large member	Sat Jun 28 04:48:04 The clampdown on shaving waivers seems racially motivated. In a more general sense, you have to ask why the military feels the need to unnessesarily regulate a soldier's personal space in the first place. Particularly with a rule that is against best practices in the field. Well kept facial hair easily passes any reasonable grooming standard. Here, accomodation easily overlaps with broader military goals like retaining personnell and having a broad recruitment pool for a chance at being able to reach recruiting targets.
murder Member	Sat Jun 28 05:08:35 "They're medically exempt from service." They are not medically exempt from service. They have been serving. Nor do they want to be exempt from service. "What's your issue here retard?" Racism. -
TheChildren Member	Sat Jun 28 05:55:41 iggas and chinks and beanos and sandniggahs shuldnt join whitey military 2 begin with
obaminated Member	Sat Jun 28 14:20:40 If you have adhd and want to serve you still cant serve. They have a medical condition that bars them from service. They can serve their country in other ways, like marrying their baby mama and sticking around to raise their kids.
jergul large member	Sat Jun 28 15:55:30 And sammy certainly did that!
murder Member	Sat Jun 28 16:24:24 "They have a medical condition that bars them from service." They do now that the white nationalists have taken over the government.
Pillz breaker of wtb	Sun Jun 29 00:28:35 Makes sense you oppose personal hygiene / grooming standards
murder Member	Sun Jun 29 06:39:22 Makes sense that you'd be intimidated by black men. -
TheChildren Member	Sun Jun 29 06:46:50 why u nighgaz join whitey anglo military 2 do wut muhammed ali alrdy knew wutsup!. no slanty vietcong eva colonized him, but they send u 2 do wut they done across da world u be a fool 2 think u arent being used fool
Forwyn Member	Mon Jun 30 10:53:10 "Not coddling minorities with special treatment is racism!" -jergul, murder, etc "why the military feels the need to unnessesarily regulate a soldier's personal space" Pro:tip: it's not about looks
jergul large member	Mon Jun 30 11:05:53 Do you coddle caucasians with sun screen in Syria Forwyn?
Forwyn Member	Mon Jun 30 11:24:47 Is sunscreen an exemption to service-wide standards? Does it prevent the proper usage of equipment? Is your next great analogy going to be bug spray?
jergul large member	Mon Jun 30 13:04:08 My next great example would be lube. Since you think sunscreen is an ok accomodation for the melanin impaired. Why is ok for a soldier to rub one kind of lubricant all over his body as much as he likes, but not a different kind of lubricant? Clean shaven is not a service wide standard. It varies by branch and by conditions.
jergul large member	Mon Jun 30 13:15:01 Material Compatibility: Gas masks are typically made of rubber or elastomer materials, which can be sensitive to certain chemicals found in some sunscreens. Oil-Based Sunscreens: Sunscreens containing oils can leave a residue on the skin and potentially on the gas mask's sealing surface, reducing its ability to grip the face and create a proper seal. Chemical Degradation: Some sunscreen ingredients might chemically react with the gas mask material, causing it to soften, swell, or degrade over time, ultimately impacting its sealing capabilities. Proper Application and Removal: Even if the sunscreen doesn't directly damage the mask, improper application or removal could leave a residue that interferes with the seal. AI generated, so it must be true.
Forwyn Member	Mon Jun 30 13:48:32 - This isn't as big an issue as you're implying; most skin is covered by standard-issue uniforms. - It's not an accommodation; servicemembers are simply instructed not to allow themselves to get burned in a way that will interfere with duty; commanders often put a general requirement to have sunscreen on packing lists as a CYA; it typically goes unenforced unless someone comes up blistering. - "Clean shaven is not a service wide standard. It varies by branch" LOL. Say that again, this time: "Clean shaven is not a service wide standard. It varies by service" - "and by conditions." Yeah, if you're on a sub or SF. Very, very narrow occupation-related exemptions. - "which can be sensitive to certain chemicals" Yeah, it's also sensitive to fucking sunlight lol. It's more important that it fits. We likely spend more on replenishment procurement than your entire military budget.
jergul large member	Mon Jun 30 15:10:32 So perhaps soldiers could be instructed to shave in a manner that does not interfer with duty? The decision is political is perhaps the best way to put it. Political meddling within the military never ends well. It just is part of the whole lets get rid of minorities in jobs white people dont want to do anyway. Good luck with recruitment and retainment goals. Lol.
jergul large member	Mon Jun 30 15:14:07 Not to draw comparisons to Nazism. But while Germany was in the midst of rapid urbanization, the powers that be decided on a national-romatic goal that Germans should all become homesteaders. Lebensraum was fuelled entirely by this drive. Germany lost a war for something very few Germans would consider doing. Yay, I want to homestead in Reich kommiseriat Ost. Something never said by anyone.
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