Utopia Talk / Politics / US 28-point peace plan for Ukraine

Rugian rank	Fri Nov 21 13:44:03 Trump’s 28-Point Peace Plan 1. Ukraine's sovereignty will be confirmed. 2. A comprehensive [sic] and comprehensive non-aggression agreement will be concluded between Russia, Ukraine and Europe. All ambiguities of the last 30 years will be considered settled. 3. It is expected that Russia will not invade neighboring countries and NATO will not expand further. 4. A dialogue will be held between Russia and NATO, mediated by the United States, to resolve all security issues and create conditions for de-escalation in order to ensure global security and increase opportunities for cooperation and future economic development. 5. Ukraine will receive reliable security guarantees. 6. The size of the Ukrainian Armed Forces will be limited to 600,000 personnel. 7. Ukraine agrees to enshrine in its constitution that it will not join NATO, and NATO agrees to include in its statutes a provision that Ukraine will not be admitted in the future. 8. NATO agrees not to station troops in Ukraine. 9. European fighter jets will be stationed in Poland. 10. US guarantee: ▪️ The US will receive compensation for the guarantee. ▪️ If Ukraine invades Russia, it will lose the guarantee. ▪️ If Russia invades Ukraine, in addition to a decisive coordinated military response, all global sanctions will be reinstated, recognition of the new territory and all other benefits of this deal will be revoked. ▪️ If Ukraine launches a missile at Moscow or St. Petersburg without cause, the security guarantee will be deemed invalid. 11. Ukraine is eligible for EU membership and will receive short-term preferential access to the European market while this issue is being considered. 12. A powerful global package of measures to rebuild Ukraine, including but not limited to: a. The creation of a Ukraine Development Fund to invest in fast-growing industries, including technology, data centers, and artificial intelligence. b. The United States will cooperate with Ukraine to jointly rebuild, develop, modernize, and operate Ukraine's gas infrastructure, including pipelines and storage facilities. c. Joint efforts to rehabilitate war-affected areas for the restoration, reconstruction and modernization of cities and residential areas. d. Infrastructure development. e. Extraction of minerals and natural resources. f. The World Bank will develop a special financing package to accelerate these efforts. 13. Russia will be reintegrated into the global economy: a. The lifting of sanctions will be discussed and agreed upon in stages and on a case-by-case basis. b. The United States will enter into a long-term economic cooperation agreement for mutual development in the areas of energy, natural resources, infrastructure, artificial intelligence, data centers, rare earth metal extraction projects in the Arctic, and other mutually beneficial corporate opportunities. c. Russia will be invited to rejoin the G8. 14. Frozen funds will be used as follows: $100 billion in frozen Russian assets will be invested in US-led efforts to rebuild and invest in Ukraine. The US will receive 50% of the profits from this venture. Europe will add $100 billion to increase the amount of investment available for Ukraine's reconstruction. Frozen European funds will be unfrozen. The remainder of the frozen Russian funds will be invested in a separate US-Russian investment vehicle that will implement joint projects in specific areas. This fund will be aimed at strengthening relations and increasing common interests to create a strong incentive not to return to conflict. 15. A joint American-Russian working group on security issues will be established to promote and ensure compliance with all provisions of this agreement. 16. Russia will enshrine in law its policy of non-aggression towards Europe and Ukraine. 17. The United States and Russia will agree to extend the validity of treaties on the non-proliferation and control of nuclear weapons, including the START I Treaty. 18. Ukraine agrees to be a non-nuclear state in accordance with the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons. 19. The Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant will be launched under the supervision of the IAEA, and the electricity produced will be distributed equally between Russia and Ukraine — 50:50. 20. Both countries undertake to implement educational programs in schools and society aimed at promoting understanding and tolerance of different cultures and eliminating racism and prejudice: a. Ukraine will adopt EU rules on religious tolerance and the protection of linguistic minorities. b. Both countries will agree to abolish all discriminatory measures and guarantee the rights of Ukrainian and Russian media and education. c. All Nazi ideology and activities must be rejected and prohibited. 21. Territories: a. Crimea, Luhansk and Donetsk will be recognized as de facto Russian, including by the United States. b. Kherson and Zaporizhzhia will be frozen along the line of contact, which will mean de facto recognition along the line of contact. c. Russia will relinquish other agreed territories it controls outside the five regions. d. Ukrainian forces will withdraw from the part of Donetsk Oblast that they currently control, and this withdrawal zone will be considered a neutral demilitarized buffer zone, internationally recognized as territory belonging to the Russian Federation. Russian forces will not enter this demilitarized zone. 22. After agreeing on future territorial arrangements, both the Russian Federation and Ukraine undertake not to change these arrangements by force. Any security guarantees will not apply in the event of a breach of this commitment. 23. Russia will not prevent Ukraine from using the Dnieper River for commercial activities, and agreements will be reached on the free transport of grain across the Black Sea. 24. A humanitarian committee will be established to resolve outstanding issues: a. All remaining prisoners and bodies will be exchanged on an ‘all for all’ basis. b. All civilian detainees and hostages will be returned, including children. c. A family reunification programme will be implemented. d. Measures will be taken to alleviate the suffering of the victims of the conflict. 25. Ukraine will hold elections in 100 days. 26. All parties involved in this conflict will receive full amnesty for their actions during the war and agree not to make any claims or consider any complaints in the future. 27. This agreement will be legally binding. Its implementation will be monitored and guaranteed by the Peace Council, headed by US President Donald Trump. Sanctions will be imposed for violations. 28. Once all parties agree to this memorandum, the ceasefire will take effect immediately after both sides retreat to agreed points to begin implementation of the agreement.
Seb rank	Fri Nov 21 14:23:24 Hahaha. No. This ain't going nowhere. And nobody is going to pay money to the US to deliver a guarantee it's already failed to deliver on. It will walk away and keep the money.
Seb rank	Fri Nov 21 14:25:52 Velveeta eating surrender monkeys.
Paramount rank	Fri Nov 21 16:02:40 ” This agreement will be legally binding. Its implementation will be monitored and guaranteed by the Peace Council, headed by US President Donald Trump” Wtf is the Peace Council? Do they mean the World Peace Council? But its not headed by Trump.
Paramount rank	Fri Nov 21 16:08:20 ” Hahaha. No. This ain't going nowhere.” Yeah, this 28 point plan is rather stupid. Russia already have a peace plan. They already set the terms.
murder rank	Fri Nov 21 16:50:26 Trump didn't have the cards! Putin has the tapes! -
Sam Adams rank	Fri Nov 21 19:38:51 Ahaha this was written by a Russian. Trump is retarded and so is Russia.
Rugian rank	Fri Nov 21 19:42:49 I am struggling to figure out how Russia isn't getting pretty much everything they want with this proposal (short of annexing all of Ukraine).
Paramount rank	Fri Nov 21 20:16:29 I see a couple of things that Russia won’t agree to. For an example, that the US will get to use Russian funds to invest in Ukraine and receive 50% of the profits. And that Ukraine will get to have 600,000 strong standing army.
Paramount rank	Fri Nov 21 20:19:45 ” Russia will be invited to rejoin the G8” Russia doesn’t even want to join the G8. They have said as much. lol
Paramount rank	Fri Nov 21 20:31:49 ” Kherson and Zaporizhzhia will be frozen along the line of contact, which will mean de facto recognition along the line of contact.” Russia has already said that a frozen conflict is unacceptable. ”d. Ukrainian forces will withdraw from the part of Donetsk Oblast that they currently control, and this withdrawal zone will be considered a neutral demilitarized buffer zone, internationally recognized as territory belonging to the Russian Federation. Russian forces will not enter this demilitarized zone.” lol
Paramount rank	Fri Nov 21 20:36:18 Dumpster fire https://youtu.be/RRICjfUaYtI
Paramount rank	Fri Nov 21 21:18:49 Ukraine is just about to collapse. Why should Russia stop now? Instead of a laughable 28 point plan there can be a 1 point plan. Unconditional surrender.
jergul rank	Fri Nov 21 21:40:40 Para Ukraine is still its own deterrent. Sure, Russia might eventually be able to take Ukraine. But then it would have Ukraine. Nobody wants that. Particularly not Russia.
jergul rank	Fri Nov 21 21:41:56 You will certainly see what I mean if Ukraine manages to magick its way into joining EU despite not meeting many criteria.
Paramount rank	Fri Nov 21 21:49:47 Ukraine and European states has basically already rejected this 28 point plan. For them it is unacceptable that Ukraine should ceed territory, that there should be a limit on the size of Ukraine’s armed forces, and that Ukraine can not choose the alliances it wants to join. Jergul, yes I don’t think Russia wants Western Ukraine. But they will continue to Kiev and change the regime, who will then surrender.
Forwyn rank	Fri Nov 21 22:34:09 "For them it is unacceptable that Ukraine should ceed territory" Then they should put up or shut up. They stood by while the citizens of Donetsk were shelled by a corrupt coup government for eight years.
Rugian rank	Fri Nov 21 22:52:05 "But then it would have Ukraine. Nobody wants that. Particularly not Russia." That autistic essay that Vlad wrote back in 2021 would suggest otherwise.
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